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Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Your first two points are excellent.

Your third point makes no sense. The highway yard is "under 5 feet of water" because it was constructed decades ago in a low lying area directly adjacent to freshwater wetlands . There is a drainage area along North Sea Rd. which collects water and does what it is supposed to do, but currently the water table is at record highs in many areas of Long Island (North Sea I'm sure is no exception) and as such there is no where for the water to go. Eventually the water table will go down and so will the area of standing water.

The Trustees have nothing to do with flooding at the highway yard, nor did they have anything to do with the beached whale (ignoring the fact that we are talking about seperate towns here). The DEC and the Town Board have nothing to do with it either - the fact of the matter is the highway yard was constructed in an area prone to flooding a long time ago - likely before NYS wetlands laws (1970 I believe) or Town Wetlands laws were enacted. The Town is not immune to its own laws - though I am not so niave to believe it does not skirt them from time to time." Apr 14, 10 9:59 AM

It's highly probable that NOAA was involved in the dolphin stranding in MA.

Also, as I have previously stated, you cannot compare a 30' humpback whale in relatively rough surf in April on Long Island to unknown species of whales in a tropical area that were likely stranded for tidal reasons (inferred from the very limited information in that article)

Again, I do agree changes should be made, and this wasn't doing properly, but it doesn't do any good compare a dolphin rescue in Tasmania to this. That's like comparing a domestic hostage situation on Long Island to the terrorists taking a US soldier hostage. Two totally different scenarios even though they are both "hostage takings"" Apr 14, 10 8:06 PM

A whale of a mistake


I'd love to see you in your hip waders pushing this 30' whale back out to sea. I heard reports that at one point the whale lifted its head and tail out of the water and slapped its tail back down - that's certainly not a risk worth taking.

I'm not sure how dragging a Whale out to sea by its tail for it to drown and/or be eaten alive by sharks is better than letting it die on the beach.

To be clear, I don't agree with it being shot, and think the situation was handled poorly, but I believe the desire to haul out back out to the ocean comes from a desire for this to be out of the public eye.

I also believe that stating the "Riverhead Foundation resigned themselves very early on" does a disservice to the Riverhead Foundation and lumps everyone together and ignores the fact that NOAA was involved and took lead agency.

No more comments for me, I just had to put in my 2 cents here. " Apr 14, 10 11:55 PM

*Michael " Apr 14, 10 11:56 PM

Stony Brook Southampton students seek $10,000 by end of day for legal fund

I'm all for saving the college (just like I was the first time around). I do, however, find it ironic that people are donating money, to keep NYS from closing SBS due to financial reasons, which results in the NYS spending $$$ in order to "save" money. I understand there are separate funds and all of that, but it seems like some circular logic to me - though I guess it will pale in comparison to the $78 million already spent." Apr 16, 10 6:08 PM

Southampton Town Board promotes three police officers to sergeant

Wait wait wait... we hired someone from NESCONSET to be our town attorney? I mean, I can understand someone from Brookhaven Town or East Hampton Town... but NESCONSET?! " Apr 17, 10 1:17 AM

IRS says Southampton Town comptroller owes $650,000 in back taxes

"The taxes the IRS claims Ms. Wright owes date back to 2002 and 2003, when Ms. Wright was working as a chief operating officer in the financial industry in the United Kingdom."

If you read the article, you would have seen the above quote. She didn't make her money as a Town Employee, and if its a situation that probably lends itself to tax "mistakes"" Apr 18, 10 1:56 PM

Stony Brook Southampton students seek $10,000 by end of day for legal fund

Slamminsammy was reffering to the State AG fighting the lawsuit brought by the students. So, NY tax dollars will be spent, fighting "Save Southampton" to move forward with closing the campus, to save money. It unfortuantely is circular logic. At least when it happend with LIU there were no tax dollars being spent.

Additionally, the local Pols are reportedly bringing action against the State on their own terms, which will cost tax payers more. " Apr 19, 10 4:28 PM

Town Highway Department warns of wide trucks on Dune Road in Hampton Bays

@ ICE: I think political pawn was being sarcastic...

As for the plovers, both Political Pawn and yourself come across as ignorant. Part of that is due to 27east simplifying the story and leaving out the fact that Least Terns also nest on the beach and are protected by both the State and Federal Government, so even if the plovers are taken off the endangered species list, the trucks would still not be allowed to drive along the beaches.

Additionally, the fact that vehicles can't drive along the beaches now is because the County is too lazy to properly fence their beaches and instead block access and put up large swaths of fencing. Southampton Town, on the other hand, only blocks access when the plovers have hatched and the chicks (which are extremely vulnerable to being run over) are present.

There are hundreds (if not more) species of ground nesting birds. The problem isn't that they nest on the ground, the problem is that humans damage their habitat with 4X4s and bulkheading and other activities which not only present a risk to the birds that can't fly (the chicks) but also reduce suitable habitat. It has nothing to do with ecological succession which you should look up in an encyclopedia.
" Apr 20, 10 7:41 PM

Common Terns and Roseate Terns nest on the dredge spoil islands, but Least Terns are on the Ocean Beaches (and bay beaches), right next to the Plovers, please do your research before spouting off without facts. Saying Least Terns don't nest on the ocean beaches is almost as bad as when people say they hate Plovers because they divebomb them when they are walking along the beach. It's the Least Terns that are responsible for that.

Encyclopedia = Wikipedia. Phrases aren't listed in the Dictionary.

Ecological Succession refers to plants/climate not animals. Animals only come into play when the climate/plants change. I believe the correct term for what you are reffering to is Survival of the Fittest which is a fair arguement.

Only a percentage (less than 50%) of plover nests are enclosed for protection from dogs/fox/raccoons/ferral cats and they are usually located in areas that are known to be heavy in ferral cats or fox. Least Tern nests are never enclosed, only marked off with "string" fencing.

With regards to driving on the beach - as I previously stated the County is guilty of blocking vehicle access well before chicks hatch and after they are able to fly. This has to do with the number of staff and amount of beach and is something I don't agree with. In Southampton Town, the beaches are only blocked once chicks hatch and you can thank the Southampton Town Trustees for that who take residents right to use the beach seriously and do what they can to ensure access.

They get special treatment because they are protected by both the Federal and State Government - just like the Humpback Whale that everyone was so upset about. The best explination for why Plovers are important is because they are an indication of the effects humans are having on the rest of the planet. If humans allow Piping Plovers to go extinct due to human actions, then why should humans care if any species goes extinct? How do you decide what is and what isn't important? Should Humpback Whales not be protected either? Or are they different because they are mammals? (these are questions, not accusations.) There also are unknown possible negative effects which could occur if one species is wiped out of the range that could have a domino effect on other species. If plovers dissapear and Least Tern numbers explode it's my guess that beachgoers would rather have a few plovers around then be constantly harassed and dive-bombed by the Least Terns." Apr 21, 10 9:47 AM

Southampton Town comptroller works out tax lien issues

"Southampton Town comptroller works out tax lien issues" - SH Press, that's a misleading headline.

Ms. Wright has not worked anything out. She submitted documentation and is awaiting the IRS's decisions. Why not state the truth in the headline, instead of misleading your readers?" Apr 21, 10 3:43 PM

For the record: The press is standing by their erroneous headline?" Apr 22, 10 2:58 PM

Officials want to use Southampton Town's Community Preservation Fund to save Stony Brook Southampton

I'm a big fan of Southampton College and think it brings a lot of good to the East End. I feel for the students now, and for the ones who went through this with LIU. However, to suggest that CPF money be used to by the development rights is beyond asanine. Taxpayers already supplied the $78 million to buy/rehab the university. WHY would the taxpayers of Southampton then fork over $6 (10? 20?) million for the development rights when the property is already owned by the government? So Southampton residents should have to pay SUNY for the land, that was already bought with tax dollars?! There is NO way that's legal under CPF" Apr 22, 10 7:40 PM

I understand that (and am fine with it, but that's my opinion). But the Town has other recourses that don't involve bailing out the state with CPF dollars which should be spent preserving farmland or areas in the Pine Barrens/Aquifer Protection Overlay District.

The Town could change the zoning and forbid Industrial applications, create a special zoning district for undergraduate/graduate programs, enact a moratorium on new construction/development etc. etc. Additionally, the Southampton Town Trustees own a few R.O.W. across the campus which gives them a say in what happens there (at least was the case when LIU owned it).

The biggest problem for me with buying the development rights in order to float the college for 2 years when it can become it's own SUNY entity is it's just a band-aid. Southampton and Stony Brook Southampton closed because they weren't profitable. Throwing money at a failed idea is stupid. There is no endowment (as was the case with LIU). There is no alum, so endowment will take decades to be established. Prospective students would be awfully bold to choose a college that closed TWICE in 5 years, even if it becomes it's own university. It would still be part of the SUNY system, and as such could be shut down due to budgetary reasons. It flies in the face of why CPF was put in place, (Btw, Thiele was the brains behind it, which makes this more amazing to me). I didn't vote for CPF so my tax dollars could be spent bailing out NYS.

What happens if in 3 years SUNY says, it's not working, it doesn't make money, we have to shut it down? Yes, it won't be turned into a subdivison or golf course, but it doesn't solve the fundamental problem of having a university out here. " Apr 22, 10 8:15 PM

I should clarify, however, that since SBS is owned by the State, they don't have to abide by Town Zoning laws or moratoriums if they are doing things in-house. Where it can come into play is bringing in outside companies and non-government organizations. " Apr 22, 10 10:02 PM

Southampton Town delays vote on land swap between CPF, Westhampton Cemetery

Looks like the people who run the cemetery aren't very savvy. They assumed the Trustees would swap land, then when they (surprise!) said no, they go crawling to the Town. This defeats the purpose of CPF and is an insult to all those who have paid the tax. The town bought this parcel to preserve it, not to trade it so it can be used as a cemetery. Why didn't the Westhampton Cemetery BUY the land when it was for sale in the first place? That would have avoided this whole mess. If the Town gets into the business of horse trading CPF lands, it won't be long before arrests are made. Look at what happened in East Hampton - this is the first step to serious corruption.

Also, it's my understanding that once a cemetery is full, the owners have the right to give it to the Town who has to take care of it in perpetuity. So after this land swap, the Town will end up with it anyways. What a waste of precious CPF dollars. " Apr 22, 10 10:19 PM

Officials want to use Southampton Town's Community Preservation Fund to save Stony Brook Southampton

Please Mr. Thiele, tell me which one of these categories buying a DEVELOPED PUBLICLY OWNED college falls under:

Includes the following:
Establishment of parks, nature preserves, or recreational areas.
Preservation of open space, including agricultural lands.
Preservation of lands of exceptional scenic value.
Preservation of freshwater and saltwater marshes or other wetlands.
Preservation of aquifer recharge areas.
Preservation of undeveloped beachlands or shorelines.
Establishment of wildlife refuges for the purpose of maintaining native animal species diversity, including the protection of essential habitat to the recovery of rare, threatened or endangered species.
Preservation of pine barrens consisting of such biota as pitch pine, and scrub oak.
Preservation of unique or threatened ecological areas.
Preservation of rivers or river areas in natural, free-flowing condition.
Preservation of forested lands.
Preservation of public access to lands for public use, including stream rights and waterways.
Preservation of historic places and properties listed on the New York State Register of Historic Places and/or protected under a Town historic preservation local law.
Undertaking any of the aforementioned in furtherance of the establishment of a greenbelt." Apr 22, 10 10:35 PM

How does buying the rights to public land, with public funds = a profitable college? If the *new* \Southampton College is still losing money (which odds are, it will be) will Southampton Taxpayers be forced to bail it out too? " Apr 22, 10 11:26 PM

I presume you're talking about the one in Southampton Village. The purpose of that was for parkland. Once Eply came out with his plan to make it a hiring site, Southampton Town sued the Village saying it was an improper use, as per CPF.

That being said, I'm sure there are questionable CPF purchases out there. The Town is now considering swapping a CPF piece next to 7-11 in Westhampton with the Westhampton Cemetery. What a joke CPF is becoming. Why does the Town care if the Westhampton Cemetery runs out of land? All cemeterys run out of land. " Apr 23, 10 11:31 AM

The Town does have to put it to vote in order to get approval for this - but if it is done at a special election, we all know what kind of turnout those tend to generate. " Apr 23, 10 12:34 PM

ATH was quoted in Newsday as saying, "I dare Stony Brook to get in the way of this."

ATH, you DO understand that Stony Brook can veto this right? Then you will have zero recourse and the CPF proposal will be dead. Or the State Legislature can veto it. Or, hopefully, the state AG will stop it before it gets to that point because it's illegal.

All I can do is hope and pray these politicos don't understand CPF and don't realize what they're doing is illegal. Unfortunately, Thiele DOES know better, since he was the brains behind it. " Apr 23, 10 12:42 PM

I suggest you take a tour of the campus (before its closed anyway). Stony Brook re-did the dorms, re-did the dining hall, re-did, well everything. It's a beautiful place and nicer than Stony Brook main campus in my opinion. Lots of people want(ed) to go there when LIU was in charge, but they mismanaged it and enrollment dropped. SBS was poised to jump in enrollment next year (numbers were kept low because they didn't have suitable housing on campus yet) but this is putting the nail in the coffin.

There are plenty of examples of colleges that thrive in the middle of nowhere, but they are managed better than this place." Apr 24, 10 11:02 AM

You get points for creativity, but unfortunately your (admitted) lack of knowledge about CPF makes your arguement moot.

The purpose of CPF is to take 2% from every real estate transaction and use the money to preserve land under the criteria I listed above (straight from Town Code). One offshoot of the CPF program is PDR or purchased development rights. The point of PDRs is to buy farmland that would otherwise become a subdivision. The farmer gets millions for his land and is able to continue to farm. Even if the farmer wants to take his money and leave, the farmland is preserved so it will always be available for production of crops.

Purchasing development rights on a parcel which is already developed is a misuse of funds, especially when that property is already owned by the government.

The historic structures on campus (I believe only the Windmill and Mansion would qualify) would certainly be appropriate for purchase, but only the land beneath those structures could be purchased - not the entire campus.

Buying land to preserve drinking water only makes sense on parcels that are 100% natural vegetation - not filled with buildings and septic systems and whatever else is in the ground at SBS. Think chunks of pine barrens, or swaths of woods in North Sea or Noyac. Shinnecock Hills was purposely excluded from the Aquifer Protection Overlay District (APOD) in Town Code because it was so heavily developed and devoid of natural vegetation.

As an SBS student, you obviously are passionate about keeping your school and being part of a sustainable community. I suggest you and your classmates learn about the purpose of CPF and the legislation behind it (call the Southampton Town CPF office where they will be more than happy to explain it). Once you realize what its for, you would understand that this is a terrible idea that will rob the residents of Southampton Town of precious CPF lands that could be purchased instead. At that point, hopefully the student body can urge Thiele and the SH TB to come up with another plan.
" Apr 25, 10 10:49 AM

What is wrong with bringing in brilliant minds from across the world to study and learn and discover? BNL (which works in conjunction with Stony Brook) is filled with these "foreign" minds and has *SEVEN* noble peace prizes to its name. It's also the lab where U.S. Department of Energy Secretary Steven Chu once worked and I'm willing to bet he worked closely with the "foreign grad students". Stony Brook University is a largely multi-national institution with brilliant minds working in physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology, computer science, etc. They are a main factor in why Stony Brook is rated as such a good school in the US and in the World.

Why would I regret not using CPF funds and having some of the smartest people in the world working and living in my town? I'm not following your logic, and I find it ironic your name is "vote no" as you apparently will be "voting yes" to using CPF funds for this project. " Apr 25, 10 10:57 AM

I believe Stony Brook still needs to cut $20 million at the MAIN campus, and there were stiff cuts at Stony Brook Manhatten" Apr 25, 10 12:13 PM

The statement about the college losing money is a reflection of what the future holds. At this point, 1/2 the students are already enrolled at SBU and all incoming students are going somewhere else (SBU or otherwise). With all of the negative press, and the college "closing" twice in 5 years, it will be extremely difficult to get students to come to Southampton College even if something ends up being worked out. The damage is done and it will take much longer to get to the max # of students now. Also, it's a leap of faith to extrapolate into the future from enrollement increasing "54%" for one year.

I don't think it will be too hard of an investigation to determine that more money is going out than is coming in - this was the same problem when LIU ran the school. LIU was floating Southampton College for years which was OK because LIU had a lot of money laying around, but as soon as those funds dried up they had to make the tough decision to shut it down. SUNY Stony Brook needs to cut ~$30 million and are closing Southampton "for the time being". That's not to say I don't think it's nearsighted, or foolish, or that I don't trust/believe the officials, but there is some truth to it. It's nearly impossible (especially in this economy) to run a college with $0 endowment.

Even if the school isn't "making money" (bringing in more than it costs to run), the endowment should be increasing each year, or at the very least stay the same - when there is no endowment, the money has to come from somewhere." Apr 26, 10 9:21 AM

"officials said its proposed cuts would save SUNY about $6.7 million a year"

How does that = $2 milllion / year?

Stony Brook was forced to make serious budget cuts and decided this was a good way to save some $$. They also had serious cuts at Stony Brook Manhatten, and will have severe cuts at Stony Brook main campus. It may be stupid and nearsighted and foolish, but it's likely that the root of this problem was a lack of proper funding in the first place. Same with LIU Southampton - there was $0 endowment. " Apr 26, 10 9:27 AM

"this fund which I am told is over a half a billion dollars" I hope you are not referring to the CPF fund, which was quoted by Southampton Town's supervisor as "$10 million" which I was told isn't even accurate because some of that money is already promised to other acquisitions. On top of that, the CPF program is running a high debt because bonds were taken out (as they should be) to purchase land that will be paid back over time because land is relatively inexpensive right now. The 1/2 billion may represent the total amount of $$$ that has come in since the programs inception.

As I have stated to another student who posted here, there are historic structures on campus (windmill and mansion) and it would be appropriate to buy purchase those entities outright but not purchase the development rights for the entire county.

If SUNY lets Stony Brook branch off there still will not be money in the budget, and there is $0 endowment. That is the biggest problem, without endowment, the only way to make a college work is to have tuition costs cover the operating costs of a university, which is impossible at State tuition costs. Colleges like Harvard and Yale have endowments in the *billions* and they still charge a premium to be a student.

I urge you, as I urged your fellow student, to read up on the CPF law and call the CPF office for Southampton Town which will be happy to explain the details of Purchased Development Rights and CPF funds and you will realize this is a gross misuse of that fund. By saying CPF monies should be used to buy development rights from an already developed, already government owned facility, you are robbing the residents of Southampton Town from precious lands that will preserve drinking water and crucial habitats. Stony Brook's decision to close LIU Southampton does not prohibit them from teaching classes and having majors in environmental sustainability and as such Southampton should not be bailed out.

It's environmentally irresponsible and goes against everything that the students of SBS believe in and are passionate about and studying for to deplete CPF funds in order to keep the college afloat. " Apr 26, 10 6:49 PM

Please excuse the few typos such as "entire county" = entire campus and "LIU Southampton" = SBU Southampton

In an article from the NY Times in December of 2008, Harvard's endowment was quoted as $36.9 billion. Maybe some letters should be sent to Harvard and they can make SBS a satellite of Harvard?

Also, while some people argue Southampton College could fall under several categories of appropriate CPF purchases, please remember that the proposal is to purchase the underlying *development rights* which doesn't preserve the campus in any way shape or form, and which doesn't entitle the residents of Southampton to have access to the property. SUNY could still sell the campus to a private developer or lease it out to a chemical lab, it would just forbid them from constructing new buildings and increasing the sanitary load. The only appropriate use of CPF monies under the guise of development rights is to purchase Farm/Ag lands with prime farm/ag soils which don't exist in Shinnecock Hills" Apr 26, 10 7:04 PM

I believe what that means is they will be "saving" $6.7 million/year but the first year or two they have contractual obligations which will eat up some of that money, so it won't be until year 3 that the full $6.7 million will be "saved". However, I agree that it's nearsighted, and a bit dishonest to say they will be saving that much right off the bat when they have contracts they need to honor. Thanks for posting that article" Apr 26, 10 9:03 PM

It's impossible to get hold of the development rights with objectives consistant with CPF because the only situation in which the purchase of development rights is applicable is when the property is actively farmed, or has the potential for active farming/agriculture (prime soils, flat topography, etc.) which is not the case for Southampton which is already developed and has the allowable density of 2000 people as per suffolk county.

The unmowed grass meadow was the idea of the students who thought it wise to nite waste time/energy/fuel mowing grass to have a pretty lawn that no one uses. To say Stony Brook failed and imply SUNY won't is foolish, SUNY runs Stony Brook." Apr 28, 10 9:14 AM

A model home for green living

I commend the property owner for creating a platinum LEED certified building, but have to question how "green" a 4,700 square foot house is, even for a family of 5 or 6. If they were really totally 100% commited to being green, they would construct the smallest house possible for them to function in so as to use less heat, less electricty and less building materials (oh, and less land). But then again that's a tall order in the Hamptons.

Please give us an update once the landscaping is in - I'd like to see if they do a raingarden or if they go the conventional hamptons sod route. Furthermore, was the enitre parcel wooded? Seems to me the "green" thing to do would be to leave the parcel wooded except for the area needed for the house. These are not critisicms of the property owners because they certainly went above and beyond what is required and what 99% of people do, but it's far from total green living.

Also, the photos indicate a windmill to be constructed ontop of the house. Is that something that's in the works or was scrapped? And photo captions would be helpful." Apr 28, 10 2:31 PM

Officials want to use Southampton Town's Community Preservation Fund to save Stony Brook Southampton

I'm all for saving the school and think Stony Brook is being foolish with its actions. But using CPF funds is illegal and I'm completely against the Town bailing out the State to float the college for 2 years with no guarentee that the college will ever be successful. It's a waste of public $$$ and incredibly irresponsible - it goes against everything SBS stands for it. i.e. it's wasteful.

I have not taken a business course, but I do have a general grasp of how business works. I know it takes $$$ and time to create a successful business, and I know/understand SBS was in that stage, but Stony Brook had to cut $30 million + so it had to come from somewhere. It's not like they are axing SBS and nothing else - Manhatten was hit hard and Stony Brook main campus will be hit hard.

Please explain to me how SUNY Southampton will be able to bring in more money than it costs to operate, with $0 endowment? As prevously mentioned, Harvard's endowment is in the hundreds of *billions* of dollars, and they still charge a premium for their tuition and housing. " Apr 28, 10 3:17 PM


I count 33 individual posters against using CPF dollars (not including myself). I've spoken to others (yeah I know, that's not a reliable source) who are against it. If you took the time to read all the comments, you will see many people are against using CPF $$ for this, and it appears the majority of those FOR it are students.

To be clear (because you haven't taken the time to read my posts). I am FOR the college. I'm for SAVING the college. I was for SAVING the college the first time it closed. But, I'm not for thiele and the town board treating their consituents money as a slush fund to prop up fiscally mismanaged colleges which are already owned by the public.

How can you support an illegal wasteful tax payer funded idea like this? Honestly, tell me how in any way shape or form, purchasing the underlying development rights of SBS qualifies as an appropriate expenditure of CPF. But please, before you do that, call the CPF office and read the town code to get a true understanding of what CPF and PDRs are for.
" Apr 28, 10 3:26 PM


I like the multi-pronged approach at tackling this problem, however there are some issues. You want professors to work for $1/year because other CEO's can work for $1/year... those CEOs are able to do that because they have made their millions, and are still getting heavily compensated in stock options. The better their companies do, the more they make in stock sales. The former chancellor of LIU Southampton (a billionaire) took only $1/year AND gave millions to the college for buildings and it still went belly up.

The alumni idea would normally be a good one, but there is no alumni for Stony Brook Southampton, so SBU alumni would probably not want their $$$ going to a campus they never visited.

It's easy as a resident of Mattituck to say that Southampton CPF funds should be used for the development rights, since it's not your money. But hey, since it's on the "east end" maybe CPF monies from Riverhead and Southold should be used too, you wouldn't mind that right? Who cares that it's illegal and that the property is already developed.

The only way to save this school is to have a serious stream of continual income - not living fundraiser to fundraiser, constantly under the threat of closure. Maybe a corprorate sponsor can be brought in - certainly a first for a public university, but isn't SBS about being the first to do things? SUNY (and Stony Brook) has to go along with any and all proposals, and the $$$ has to be in the budget. When the economy turns around and SUNY/Stony Brook can begin to get a revenue stream from this campus again, things will improve. Fighting and suing SUNY won't accomplish anything if there is no $$. That's like suing Bernie Madoff to get your $$ back - yea you might win a lawsuit, but there is no money to get back.
" Apr 30, 10 9:42 AM

Publisher of Dan's Papers files for Chapter 11

Hey Dan! Maybe Southampton Town can use it's CPF funds to bail you out... that's a good use of CPF monies, right?" May 3, 10 8:03 PM

Stony Brook University officials to meet with lawmakers but offer no comment on initiative to save Southampton campus

"I think that SUNY's plans for the campus is to sell it to the highest bidder to cut their deficit or to use its buildings for storage."

Those are pretty big extremes highhat....

I believe the hoops the state would need to jump through to sell this place are many (as they just spent $78 million on it) and in this economy it would be questionable if a developer would pay more than $78 million to buy the property (no vacant lots are selling more $1,000,000/acre in this area of Southampton). The Town has many options once a for sale sign is erected, including up-zoning and moratoriums. Using CPF monies is not appropriate in any way shape or form. " May 5, 10 9:49 PM

Two faces of sustainable building: Traditional

Think about how environmentally sustainable and efficient this home would be if it only had 6 bathrooms instead of 8.5... and not 5,000 square feet.

I understand the need and desire to build LEED homes, and I'd rather have someone building a 5,000 square foot LEED home, than one that isn't, but let's not kid ourselves. These homes are far from efficient and the builders/developers are patting themselves on the back for meeting LEED certification, what a joke." May 6, 10 2:51 PM

Thiele: Stony Brook rejects idea of maintaining residential campus at Southampton

"Were they in charge of rescuing (murdering) the whale "Montauk" in East Hampton recently?"

Seriously PBR?

There was no long range planning because it was part of Shirley Strum Kenny's bid to take over the world via SBU" May 6, 10 10:23 PM

Dog poisoned; was it whale meat?

Yes, it ended up in a whale and/or shark, that washed up on the beach, that wasn't reported, that somehow got blown to pieces so small that the dog ate it without the owners noticing it.

I hope you're not actually a conspiracy theorist... and no, we won't even know the "truth" about what happened to the missing dart. That doesn't surprise you, does it?" May 7, 10 3:38 PM

More than $1.4 million coming to Southampton from gas companies in lawsuit settlement

As part of the settlement, it was probably required that they money go to offset costs and to protect groundwater from future contamination. " May 7, 10 8:53 PM

Thiele: Stony Brook rejects idea of maintaining residential campus at Southampton

There is nothing preventing SBU from having a college of sustainability at their main campus. At this point in time it's just not fiscally prudent to keep SBS open. " May 9, 10 8:47 PM

SBS's closing should not have any affect on your ability/intelligence/drive.

" could have been the person who has created the solution to the oil spill in the gulf, but now I don't have that opportunity for any future disasters. What good will my degree at the West Campus be if by the time I graduate my major will be phased out?"

If you honestly give up that quickly, you weren't going to solve any oil spill problems to begin with - the environmental world will throw much harder curveballs at you than this. As for the flooding of Long Island issue, if that's the problem you want to solve I suggest working for Malcolm Bowman and being a Oceanography major.

You state (as fact) that SBS is closing for reasons other than budgetary. That may be tree, but if you're basing that statement on the comments of 1 assemblyman than I'll tell you that your naivety is evident. Politicians are the least honest people out there.

Stony Brook has made their decision, fighting to keep it open is not a battle worth fighting - focus on winning the war and being the best student you can be. Those at LIU who faced the same problem persevered and it is my guess you can too.

And for the record - Shirley Strum Kenny deserves some blame on this, she is the one that started SBS with $0 funding... not the brightest idea. " May 10, 10 10:10 PM

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