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Sagaponack and town still wrestling to rein in crowds at popular beach gathering

DeKooning, I think you're fishing off the wrong side of the pier...what does permitted septic systems for legal homes have to do with anything? The fact of the matter is those homes are so infrequently used they no doubt put less sewage into the ground than a year round ranch house does.

The Town and Village should embrace this instead of fighting it. The garbage obviously is a huge problem, and there should be strict enforcement of that and dogs on the beach but there must be a way to accomodate parking. How about running shuttles from Bridgehampton Highschool down to the beach and charging $5/person or whatever cost is economical for the Town? It's that or shut down the parking lot altogether like they do with Tiana but that is beginning to infringe on people's rights.

Personally I think it's all a bit whacky, and when I first read about it in Dan's Papers I thought it was one of his crazy made up stories - but it's not like the people are having wild parties or doing/dealing drugs ala the boardy barn or neptunes. If the Town can adequetly handle those matters (which they could legally shut down since they are private businesses that could be brought in for all sorts of code violations) they certainly should be able to deal with people enjoying music at the beach. " Jul 14, 10 2:55 PM

I shouldn't indulge you because it's so far off topic but...

The homes that are in that area fit the allowable zoning set by the towns. I would rather have one 10,000 sq ft. home on 5 acres, then five 3,000 square foot homes on 1 acre. Not to mention the taxes that those part time owners provide makes up a big chunk of the budget.

Ira Rennert's house may be 100,000 sq ft. but he owns 60 acres which breaks down to 1,700 sq ft./acre which of course is probably below average for year round hamptons home. You also are forgetting that the parcels in those area were formally farms and guess what farms use to produce crops? Loads of nitrogen! The nitrogen loading is far less than it was when farms were in full swing - especially when you consider that there were many duck farms in places like eastport and westhampton that completely clogged the waters.

Most, if not all, of those homes have a covenant restricting them to 15% of the property to be fertilized, but it's completely unenforceable. It's still a lot better than a farm from an environmental standpoint though. " Jul 15, 10 8:38 PM

Condos proposed in return for saving Canoe Place Inn

Hey Gordie - check the zoning. They can't build a Wendy's "as-of-right" and even if they could, they would need a special use permit for a drive-thru which the Town Board could deny." Jul 16, 10 10:18 AM

Condos in exchange for Canoe Place Inn restoration plan receives mixed reviews

ICE,

I'm guessing he is bias because he lives in HB...." Jul 16, 10 12:48 PM

Where to begin... As I predicted this would need an STP but I had no idea they owned that piece across the street - I sure feel bad for the homeowners around there, the property values will plumment.


First, Ms. Throne-Holst. Don't you know that your constituents no longer believe you? You state, "Mr. Morgo told residents that Ms. Throne-Holst brought the Rechlers 'kicking and screaming' to the negotiating table.
The Rechlers, I tell you, don’t have an appetite to create something that looks just like the Canoe Place Inn on the outside,” he said. “They didn’t want it.”

Is that so? The way the intial article reads sounds like the Rechlers are demanding this condo project in exchance for preserving CPI, knowing full well they were asking for a lot. You also had claimed you didn't know if the project would require approval from the Town Board or a Change of Zone. If that's true, you don't know anything about this Town or the Planning Process, especially scary since you 'dragged them kicking and screaming" to come up with this plan that you know nothing about.

HB residents - don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes. What they are asking for is ludicrous. The density is 10 units PER acre! Show me 1 condo development in the last 20 years with that density East of Islip. There claims that they will preserve all the trees on the adjacent parcel is BS - they will cut down 1/2 to build the STP and the other 1/2 to meet their parking requirements.

Please don't tell me that ATH really believes a boardwalk and preserving the facade of CPI are public benefits worthy of a PDD. It's unbelieveable that they would have the stone to say saving CPI is a public benefit. It's not if I have to pay to go inside it. Don't let this happen, like those in Tuckahoe, just say No. The Rechler's are limited with their zoning and are bluffing like crazy.
" Jul 16, 10 12:58 PM

Southampton at work on its affordable housing business plan

I believe it's 80-120% of the median income for a family of a certain size. I could be wrong, but I know that's very much in the ballpark - if I'm not mistaken the County sets the guidelines but the Town's can make adjustments to the numbers. And no, if you make $30,000 you cannot afford one. I looked at the condos along Majors Path when the lottery opened, and for a single individual the maximum yearly income was aprox. $50,000 and the cheapest unit was around $210,000 and a downpayment of at least 10% was needed. " Jul 16, 10 2:23 PM

Condos in exchange for Canoe Place Inn restoration plan receives mixed reviews

Gordie,

What planet are you living on? The owners don't have the right to build a Wendy's on either site (both of which are zoned resort waterfront business). They certainly don't have the right to build 10 units/acre which is absurd. What benefit does the public get from this?

Tiderunners is a popular restaurant with the local crowd and is much better environmentally then the proposed condos. The Rechlers are using the outspoken people of Hampton Bays in order to get density they would never be entitled too. Watch them build their condos then knock down CPI because it is "too far gone" and build some monstrosity. " Jul 18, 10 4:47 PM

Southampton Town Code Section 315-1J:

"Along the Shinnecock Canal is a mostly developed area zoned as Resort Waterfront Business (RWB). RWB uses are intended to complement their proximity to the canal, and the types of uses permitted in the RWB Zoning District are a reflection of the resort tourism economy that the Town of Southampton is known for. Public access to the water is a critical part of the Town's culture and economy. In recent years, however, there has been a growing trend by the private market to change existing uses that offer services and amenities to the general public, such as restaurants and shops, to private uses, such as condominiums. There is a significant potential for re-development. Incentives need to be provided and alternatives explored to help promote uses that will promote the public's ability to enjoy waterfront activities."

Commercial areas along the canal and across the street from the canal are RWB because their uses are meant to compliment the proximity to the Canal. Is it that hard to do a little research before getting worked up?" Jul 18, 10 10:22 PM

Wendy's is a defined as a fast food establishment. Fast food establishments are not permitted uses in RWB. Furthermore, no fast food burger joint would open a store without having a drive-thru, which requires a special permit. The Town Board would have to issue said special permit. Additionally, it would be fiscally stupid to use that whole big site for a Wendy's

Tiderunners has a small footprint on the site and isn't open during the winter. While a good number of the condo units will be used only during summer, there certainly will be units used year round. Sewage Treatment Plants (particularly private ones) are notorious for blowing past their allowable nitrogen discharges. Show me a private STP on Long Island that is in compliance and I'll buy you a big lobster dinner at Tide Runners. And just because they make an STP doesn't mean that the waste magically disappears - they still dump all of that "treated" liquid into the water. The average amount of water per household is 300/gpd (gallons per day). So, 300 X 43 = 12,900 gallons of water/day. In addition to the gallons of water required to run the STP. All of that freshwater then gets pumped into the bay. Don't get me started on the effect of pharmaceuticals in wastewater and their effects on the sex of fish.

A PPD on a 4.5 acre site zoned RWB is a serious intensification and the SEQRA will bear that out - too bad the Town Board will ignore what SEQRA says." Jul 18, 10 10:31 PM

Sagaponack and town still wrestling to rein in crowds at popular beach gathering

So I presume you live in a tent in the woods? Why is it OK for you to have a home but not for anyone else? " Jul 19, 10 9:19 AM

Suffolk County consumes record amount of water on Friday, Southampton estates lead the way

You're overreacting. It's impossible to waste water unless you shoot it into outerspace. What we are capable of, and very guilty of, is wasting water resources. That includes the fossil fuels needed to provide us with clean water, as well as potable freshwater. On Long Island we won't run out of potable water - we will simply be forced to turn to more expensive methods of freshwater which includes desalination which is entirley effective. It's just not efficient. " Jul 20, 10 2:24 PM

Here is a recent article about desalination plants in Australia http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/world/asia/11water.html" Jul 20, 10 2:36 PM

I didn't say it was a positive thing - I just said it's an option. It's not like we are going to wake up one day and not have water to drink. " Jul 20, 10 10:01 PM

Southampton Village Police sergeant suspended

What's your point?

The "median" household doesn't have a job that puts their life at risk every single day in order to protect their fellow citizens (yes I know it's in the village where "nothing" happens, but the risk is still present).

Also take into consideration he has worked the same position for 25 years - some might say if you stay at the same job for 25 years and at the end of it are only making $50,000 you may be a fool.

I'm not saying police are payed entirely appropriately when compared to every other profession out there, but it's not that egregious, especially when you look at what Wall St. folks get paid (ignoring their outrageous bonuses). Oh that's right, they're not using tax dollars like the police... they're only playing with your money and my money like it's monopoly. " Jul 21, 10 10:27 PM

Suffolk County consumes record amount of water on Friday, Southampton estates lead the way

Umm... I never said that wasn't a problem. All I said was people are overreacting by saying we are wasting water. No we aren't, we are wasting water resources and fire dept. needs can fit into that.

Maybe it's time to look at alternative water sources for the Fire Dept? Certainly salt water would lead to corrosion problems - but what about water from Lake Agawam? Isn't it a little silly that our "precious" water that we need for drinking is used to put out fires? It doesn't need to be potable to extinguish a flame. " Jul 21, 10 10:29 PM

"Where would it be located?"

That's easy... PDD baby. We can put it anywhere we want. " Jul 21, 10 10:30 PM

Southampton Village Police sergeant suspended

Public Pensions exist because civil service employees make less in the public sector than in the private. Yea, cops in NY get paid a lot but guess what, you (being the public) put people into office and power that negotiated these deals. If you don't like it, then start a revolution.

Do you know how much these cops could make if they signed up for Blackwater? And that "private" sector ends up being paid for by tax dollars anyway.

" Jul 22, 10 12:06 AM

Southampton Town lawmakers walk out of discussion on MTA lawsuit

This is not a surprise - the new Town Attorney is a hack. He was responsible for botching the pre-trial hearing of the biggest (financial) court loss in Nassau County history (the other lawyer responsible is a former SHT Attorney too, hmm...) and was run out of the County. Someone owed him a favor - it's the only explination for hiring an attorney from Greenlawn.

As reg rep said, he was given the information and could have informed the Town Board. Regardless of Nuzzi and Co.'s setup walkout, there was no quorum and the matter should have been dropped. Him and ATH must be real real close if he doesn't care about alienating the other 3 board members. " Jul 26, 10 11:14 AM

Turkey,

You are giving a lot of credit to Mr. Sordi - can you back it up that it was all him? Are you sure the Deputy attorneys didn't do the ground work and Mr. Sordi took credit for it? There's a reason he was basically booted from Nassau County - see Newsday's article 'Hiring of Attorneys to change'.

Outside counsel can be very expensive, BUT it is better to spend the money and have a good chance of winning, then not spend the money and lose big. That's what Nassua County did and they got burned for about $17 million. The facts of the matter are the Town Attorneys have a lot on their plate and don't have time to do extranious lawsuits - especially big time lawsuits like the MTA.

Each Deptuy Attorney has a board they are assigned too, plus they have to go to court and represent the town in everything from parking tickets to public urination. To add an major lawsuit like the MTA on top of their already booked workloads means their overall work will suffer.

Additionally, there is a reason the Town Attorneys work for the Town. While they are very nice people, they usually are not the best attorneys - if they were they would be in the private industry. Town Attorneys make $50-60k and work 50+ hours/week. If you were a really good attorney, you would be at a private firm pulling down way more $$$ - they just aren't as skilled as outside counsel. " Jul 26, 10 12:49 PM

"We have town cars being used to communte from SH Town to Brookhaven, Islip and E. Hampton (take home cars)."

Can you be more specific? It's my understanding that town policy prevents Town vehicles from being taken home outside of Town limits. Who (or what positions) are taking vehicles home out of town?" Jul 27, 10 9:42 AM

re rep,

Thanks. I'm not arguing or saying it's right that they can take the cars home - just wasn't aware that they can take them out of the town even if they have 24/7 privileges. While I known for certain the chief bldg inspector lives in Bhaven Town, I'm not sure he takes the vehicle home... maybe I'll have to swing by his house after hours and verify!! As for the need for him in particular to have the vehicle, it does make sense (well, if he picked it up @ the border in Eastport for example). If there is an emergency on the weekend or the middle of the night (say a fire, or a vehicle crashing into a house) the chief building inspector may need to go to the property and sign off on a permit. It's not cost effective to reimburse him for mileage and take on the additional insurance requirements for his vehicle. " Jul 28, 10 12:01 AM

Stony Brook Southampton committee discusses expanding arts, marine sciences programs

Hmm... I wonder what the alarmists and anti-SBU people will have to say about this... Let me guess, this is just a "smoke screen" so they can distract us while they sell the land right? " Jul 28, 10 2:40 PM

js,

"There is only one Southampton community resident on that advisory panel."

You then proceeded to list 2 community residents (Steve Kenny and Laura Sillerman) in adition to Richard Warren who is a chair of the Southampton Business Alliance, Bob Martin who is the former Chair of the Dean's Council @ SBS and Barbara Chernow who is the SBU Vice President, not to mention Kenneth Wright who is a local (but he doens't count because he is a big bad builder). Oh, and of course Diana Weir, who also doens't count because she is a big bad Affordeable Housing for LI VP.... shame on her.

It sounds like Southampton Town residents are well represented in both professional and non-professional entities. Furthermore, you fail to point out that Laura Baudo Sillerman is the wife of R.F. X. Sillerman, former Chancellor (and current Billionaire) of Southampton College when it was under LIU. Mr. Sillerman gave millions upon millions to the college and had pledged to pay for the library before LIU pulled the plug. Mr. Sillmeran became the provost because he "wanted something to do and thought it would be fun to run a local college" because he cared about the community and wanted to give back (which he did, just look at the success of the All for the Sea concerts he created). Mrs. Sillerman's adgenda would be nothing short of preserving the college for educational reasons, and she (along with her friends and contacts) certainly have the financial wherewithall to accomplish such a goal if needed.

Oh, and by the way, what's so bad about having someone from SCC, Farmingdale State College and a member of the Long Island Regional Planning Council on the board? I would think input from other small colleges would be quite helpful, along with input from the regional planning council, since the college has already "failed" twice. " Jul 29, 10 10:04 AM

It can and is... did you not read the article? There are 2 existing programs there and they are looking to expand upon them..." Jul 29, 10 10:11 AM

Your example doesn't work... you are not financially locked into SBU. You paid for 1 year of education and recieved 1 year of education. They are offering you the same education @ SBU if you so choose to go there. It's unfortunate, and a shame but life isn't fair. The LIU kids who went through the exact same thing seemed to have faired okay.

Why is SUNY REACH bad? I could understand being in an upraor if SBU said they were going to sell the land to the highest bidder (which they havne't said, and won't say [you heard it here first!]), but they just want to use the campus in a different more profitable way. The campus is costly to run, and the tuition from the students wasn't covering the expenses - it's basic economics. " Jul 29, 10 10:17 AM

See js's response below... SH Town is well represented." Jul 29, 10 10:18 AM

Michael Lohan charged with harassing fiancee Kate Major at Water Mill home

I thought it was the Presses policy to not allow comments on articles about alleged criminal attacks unless the person in question is a politician because they are "public figures". I guess Mr. Lohan falls under that category? Thanks for setting your standards up there with the NY Post..." Jul 29, 10 10:22 AM

Stony Brook Southampton committee discusses expanding arts, marine sciences programs

There wasn't any sarcasm - it was a legitimate question since you implied that SBS will no longer provide education for our "kids and grandkids". You also stated that you wish the someone would preserve this property as a college, but there has been no proposal that would make it something other than a college. " Jul 29, 10 11:15 AM

East Quogue woman files $70 million lawsuit against Suffolk County and Southampton Town

The defendants will probably get off via the Patriot Act (whether that is right or not).

As for her $70,000,000 is absurd and the fact that she is asking for so much money shows that she is going for a money grab - well, the lawyers are and she agreed to it. I know that Lawyers will say you always ask for the maximum even if you know you aren't going to get it, but it makes you look greedy (not saying you are, just how it is perceived).

As for her arrest and charges, it's not that far fetched. I wasn't there so I can't say that everything was done legally (I doubt that the woman would claim that she had her guns locked and in the trunk if they were out in the open), BUT there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that would raise red flags to responding officers.

A woman taking photos of a government base from the side of the road (and who probably was defensive upon initial questioning [and who wouldn't be? She felt she wasn't doing anything wrong but was accused as such]), who had serious weapons with tons of ammo AND $13,000 in cash on her person (who pays tuition in cash anyway? Isn't a check MUCH safer?). I don't think it was unreasonable for the police to do what they did and again, are covered under the patriot act.

Good luck lady, you'll need it. You have a better chance @ suing for defamation of character. " Jul 29, 10 6:41 PM

Southampton Town lawmakers walk out of discussion on MTA lawsuit

Because the Town Board is busy with other boards/lawsuits/court duties. They don't have time for a MAJOR lawsuit - an outside firm that is getting paid to handle it, does have the time. " Jul 29, 10 6:43 PM

Thanks Sig, I knew reg rep wasn't on the right track.... " Jul 29, 10 6:44 PM

East Quogue woman files $70 million lawsuit against Suffolk County and Southampton Town

hey Mr. Z... don't be so hard. Remember, she was coming back from the GUN range, and EVERYONE knows a terrorist would never actually practice shooting their gun to become more proficient...

While it's "unfortunate" an "innocent" woman had to be dragged through all of this, you have to be smart enough to not put yourself in this position in the first place. If I were going to take photos of a police station for a website (or whatever reason) I surely would make sure I removed my $13,000 cash and guns/ammo from my car before doing so. You have to expect to have someone question what you're doing.

The police shut down the Throgs neck just this morning because of a "suspicious vehicle". It turned out to be nothing, but that one in Times Square certainly was something worth being worried about... better to be safe than sorry. " Jul 29, 10 9:56 PM

Umm... those signs were put up AFTER this incident.. BECAUSE of her. " Jul 30, 10 9:04 AM

define "didn't do"

She had been told previously to not take pictures of the base: fact
She had an Assault Rifle and a Shotgun with 500 rounds of ammo: fact
She had $13,000 cash in her car: fact
(a deposit in a bank of more than $10,000 requires a CTR form which is filed with the IRS because that much cash is suspicious)
This country is at risk of terrorist attacks, domestic or otherwise: fact
There is a law called the Patriot Act that allows a suspected terrorist to be held indefinitely without explanation: fact

It's called personal responsibility and situational awareness. She apparently had valid explanations for the camera/gun/cash but it needs to be properly and thoroughly investigated by the government before releasing her back into society. " Jul 30, 10 8:03 PM

Hey Ice,

explain that logic to those who died in the domestic (some would say muslim) terrorist attack at Fort Hood.

The shooter was properly trained and by all accounts lived on the right side of the law (and was an employee of the US military). Many people saw signs that something might be amiss but gave him a pass.

You can't be too safe and the government was right for what they did. " Jul 30, 10 8:18 PM

Oh, and P.S. that was in "broad daylight"" Jul 30, 10 8:19 PM

Read the Patriot Act - whether you agree with it or not, the cops are covered under it. " Jul 30, 10 8:21 PM

Vice President Joe Biden vacations in Southampton

Seriously... you think it wouldn't be a security issue for him to drive a "solar powered car" (which doesn't exist in any practicable fashion btw) from DC to SHV?

The VP (or Pres) aren't allowed vacation time? " Jul 30, 10 9:56 PM

East Quogue woman files $70 million lawsuit against Suffolk County and Southampton Town

a) I wasn't discrediting anything because it was spelled correctly

b) my point was that a terrorist attack can occur at any time of the day, including broad daylight. My use of quotes was to emphasize it was at the same period of day. " Jul 30, 10 10:02 PM

Stony Brook Southampton committee discusses expanding arts, marine sciences programs

" is clear that the business model of operating the college as a satellite to another institution will never properly serve the needs of the community."

Isn't that an acknowledgement that the SBS setup was not a sufficient one and simply could not work under the given circumstances?

No one is arguing that Southampton College isn't an important asset to the community or that it should be used for education. All I have been saying is that the current system hasn't worked, and if they need to use the college for research then so be it. If there is a way to create a functioning, successful college at the campus without misusing taxpayer dollars (as the CPF proposal would have done) than I will be the first in line to support it - but that is unlikely as it has failed twice.

Does no one think that perhaps it was a doomed plan to begin with (ala LIU?) Shirley Strum Kenny wanted to expand SBU (and her legacy) as far as possible by opening a campus in NYC, trying to construct a hotel, taking the flowerfields property (which now has become a $100 million mistake) and opening SBS - not to mention the original foundation for the SBU Korea plan. I don't think this college ever had a chance, but Ms. Kenny sold everyone on it, just like she did with all her other outrageous plans.

P.S. I see you lack a retort to that list of members you posted that "only consist of 1 local". I forgot to mention that Mr. Warren (chair of the Business Alliance and certified Planner) is the head of Inter-Science, an environmental based consulting firm, another excellent member to have on a board trying to decide what the next move for SBS is going to be. " Jul 30, 10 10:12 PM

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