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Table tennis club opens in Water Mill

Private,

Did you learn about supply and demand in economics? Anyone can be a carpenter/plumber and there are no shortage of either but how many top notch table tennis players are there? And the article says rates range from $10-30. I'm guessing peak times/tables cost more money. " Jun 24, 10 9:19 AM

Energy-producing windmill would be the only one in East Hampton

Editor: Check the title - think you forgot a word..." Jun 24, 10 4:24 PM

No... it's going to have the noise equivelant (decibles) of a weedwacker. And unless you're right next to it (which I would recommend against) you won't hear much." Jun 24, 10 4:27 PM

Shinnecock Nation explores opening tribal college at Stony Brook Southampton site

*ignores blatant racism*

The property IS already off the tax roles, as it's owned by NYS. Please fact check before spouting. " Jun 24, 10 10:17 PM

Sag Harbor house busted for group rental second week in a row

It's been a while since I checked the code, but I believe the 3rd incident = a trial with potential jail time and (I could be wrong) possible condemnation of the house until further notice.

The Town tries to have some leniency because it can be easy to accidentally violate the rental laws (no more than 4 un-related occupants) so the first time is a warning, second time is big warning and 3rd time it becomes quite serious." Jun 30, 10 9:56 PM

Southampton Town PDD process upside down, critics say

I disagree - the example is a fine one. You need to familiarize yourself with the definition of "public benefit" in regards to PDDs. I believe the public benefit they claimed was housing above the drug store which is an extreme stretch. Simply creating a "needed" strip mall is not a public benefit.

The idea behind the public benefits was to provide parks, ballfields, or major infrastructure (funds for sewers/sewage treatment plans, burying of lines, installation of public water that services adjacent properties, etc.) This has been bastardized because there is a clause that allows for economic benefits (however they are defined) to count as a public benefit.

The KK shopping center was poorly planned and the business above starbucks/the liquor store, etc. were vacant for years. Ingress and egress is always a nightmare and the housing component is weak at best. " Jun 30, 10 10:04 PM

Your view is on point, however you wrong when it comes to "the developer doesn't have to do any study to see what kind of store is needed". It is perfectly acceptable (and expected) for the Town, on a PDD application, to request a market analysis study showing that the proposal can be supported economically by the community.

By asking for this, it reduces the risk of the Town saying yes and the developer not going through with his plans because they are not economically feasable and someone else buying the property with the PDD zoning and doing something completely different - it also helps to avoid vacant stores. " Jul 1, 10 9:14 AM

"Since when is a PDD is not needed to bury lines?" - huh?

"When the whole project is considered it is and will continue to be a public benefit." - based on what criteria in the PDD code?

"The traffic flow is controlled entering and leaving, maybe your driving skills leave something to be desired as I have never had a problem with it. " - The design of the parking lot does not make for easy flow of traffic. Stop signs were added on the interior over time to help aleviate this problem. Making a right onto MTK highway along the eastern section of the property is blind 90% of the time and there is no dedicated left turn lane to go onto Ponquogue Ave.

"If you're looking for something the complain about, how about the old North Fork Bank building? What a waste that whole plan was. How long do you think that will sit there, looking like trash?" - huh?

The North Fork Bank had nothing to do with a PDD. The company owned an adjacent parcel and had rights to build a bank there which is a much better location anyway because it has access from two roads. The fact that the bank has not bothered to actively market the property has nothing to do with the Town and everythign to do with the Bank having poor control of their assets.


" Jul 2, 10 2:39 PM

Southampton Town considers how to solve problems on Roses Grove Road

Editor:

"Those charges relate to the size of the unfinished home on the property. Mr. Lombardo had applied to the Town Zoning Board of Appeals for a variance, but it was denied. Mr. Lombardo said that there were other charges filed against Mr. Lombardo relating to garbage on the property..."

I think you replaced Mr. Delzatto with Mr. Lombardo a few times. Proofread next time?" Jul 2, 10 2:47 PM

A one-woman plan to save sea life from fishing line

js:

Do you know for a fact she was at SBS and not SBU (where you can major in environmental studies)?

Further more, the failing/closing of SBS has no bearing on the Environmental Studies program, which she was a student of as it was started before SBS came into existance. So "that kind of education" will not be lost, it's simply being taught at SBU and not SBS.
" Jul 7, 10 11:21 AM

Southampton Town planner defends Tuckahoe planned development district

Two things:

1. The town does not have a Chief Planner. The position has not been held for over 2 years, and was eliminated as part of the reduction of staff/hiring freeze scheme. Interestingly enough, the Press does not list who this chief planner is. Maybe it's a Chief Planner of years past? Michael wright, don't be so lazy - get the title "wright".

2. To everyone who is anti-Tuckahoe Main St., more power to you, BUT don't throw the planning dept. under the bus. The two (2) planners that Southampton Town has have no real say in this matter, they are charged with doing SEQRA and presenting their findings to the Board. The Town Board is the only entity with any power, and everyone below them who speaks on this application is being directed to do so by them. Yes, integrity should come into play but politicians have a way of spinning things (and threatening things). " Jul 8, 10 10:21 AM

Condos proposed in return for saving Canoe Place Inn

WHO should sell all the new condos? WHO should rent the empty stores to upscale businesses? Do you not understand how free market systems work? There are no upscale businesses in Hampton Bays because it's not an upscale hamlet." Jul 8, 10 10:28 AM

"Seems interesting and it depends on the density."

The density was listed at 40 condos on 5 acres... that's a lot of density. " Jul 8, 10 10:30 AM

ATH,

If you are going to play dumb, at least say you don't know the details of the proposal. Once you tell the press the details, and follow it up with saying you're not sure if they would need Town Board approval or a change of zone you come across as an idiot.

I'm not the Town Supervisor (clearly), but I know they would need Town Board approval and I can gaurentee they would need a change of zone. My guess is the zoning is RWB (restuarant-waterfront business). To construct 40 condos on 5 acres would require MF (multi-family) and therefore a change of zone. Seriously ATH, I can't believe I voted for you..." Jul 8, 10 10:33 AM

Southampton Town drops use of preservation money after outcry

Are you sure it was a PDD? Isn't it just a golf course? Why would someone go to the troulbe of doing a PDD for a golf course?" Jul 8, 10 11:26 AM

Southampton Town planner defends Tuckahoe planned development district

a) The Planning Board has no say on PDD's - they go straight to the Town Board

b) Planning Staff and Planning Board are different. To lump them together is unjust to the Planners who work hard." Jul 8, 10 12:50 PM

I didn't defend Mr. Murphree (I haven't seen the article in the paper) nor did I say that it has nothing to do with him. Mr. Murphree is not planning staff - he is an appointed department head.

I don't believe he is speaking on behalf of Mr. Morrow - my guess is he is speaking at the direction of the Town Board who can hire and fire him at will. If I was Mr. Murphree and the Town Board instructed me to say positive things about this project, it would be difficult to say no knowing they could send you packing the next day without an explination. Mr. Murphree is not in the Union and has no protection. " Jul 8, 10 2:06 PM

Condos proposed in return for saving Canoe Place Inn

Joe,

I'm not sure why you are accusing me of being against this project (or against the original project). My point was that the Supervisor (ATH) sounds like an idiot when she explains the details of the proposal and then trys to say she doesn't know who would have to approve a project. It doens't take a rocket scientist to figure out it would need Town Board approval.

I for one, as a resident of Hampton Bays, am for the demolition of CPI and the construction of a time share or condos or whatever housing they want to put on that site. CPI is no longer historic - make a nice little plaque outside that lists the famous people who visited the site and be done with it. Anything built on the site will need to be approved by the Planning Board and the ARB, so they can handle what the facade looks like.

It's my belief that the owners are trying to corner ATH and the Town Board into making the original proposal go through. It's not feasable (which doesn't always come into play when connected with developers) to construct 40 units on 5 acres on a waterfront property. Such a development would require at least 60 parking spaces and a sewage treatment plant (since the closest STP is at SBS). The developer knows that it would be hard pressed to construct all of those units on such a small piece (which would require major variances in regards to setbacks from the road, height and wetlands) and I can guarentee the Southampton Trustees would try and throw their weight around because of the dockage (which the applicant of course would attempt to convert into a full fledged marina).

Besides, what's the financial incentive for the developer? They own a very popular restaurant (or at least own the underlying property which they collect a handsome rent check from) and the CPI property which is much more accomdating toward housing. " Jul 8, 10 2:15 PM

Furthermore, I don't know why you would think the owner would construct "low rent" housing. It's a prime location (EAST of the Canal) and it's waterfront AND it has a marina. Those units would be anything but affordable." Jul 8, 10 2:17 PM

ICE,

You said, "You said the condos would require a sewage treatment plant, what if they had or were to purchase waste water credits to allow for the increased density?"

In theory, the Town could "gift" the developers the density for the site (which isn't exactly legal, but hasn't stopped the Town before. The development in Water Mill with the table tennis club is a prime example of free density). If HB residents were to make a fuss (along with people like the Peconic Baykeeper) the applicant could be forced to purchase development credits. My guess, however, is that if they were to "preserve" CPI, they would simply lift the density off of that site, combine it with the "grandfathered" density of the restaurant and call it a day.

However, density and STP's are two different things. The reason a condo project would need an STP on this site (and would almost certainly need one on the CPI site, depending on acreage/units) is because there is not sufficient space for standard leaching pool system, which by the way, could not be buried because of proximity to the water table. As such, any leaching pools for sanitary would need to be elevated and surrounded with a concrete wall and would not be allowed to support parking or buildings above it. So you'd be left with giant retaining walls, crammed condos and somewhere in there parking. So, an STP would be needed.

Could an STP be built on the CPI site with a line buried beneath the canal? Yes, but it would likely require approval from the Town to grant an "sewage" easement across their waterfront property between CPI and Tide Runners (where the Parks dept. building is).

" Jul 8, 10 8:21 PM

CPI has a great history - there is no arguing that, but the place is a dump and it burned down in the '30s. It has been changed so many times, it is a far cry from what it was originally.

Like I previously posted, if something were to be built in its place, the Town Board/Planning Board/ARB would have a say in what it looks like. They could force the developer to make it look similar to what the original CPI looked like.

My suggestion is they make a small building or some sort of kiosk with photos and a brief written history of the property. There are many more historic structures in this county with more value than this that get bulldozed.

And as for the Hercules in Stony Brook - that thing is so tacky! I'd expect better from the Three Villages Area." Jul 8, 10 8:27 PM

Southampton Town planner defends Tuckahoe planned development district

The conflict of interest goes beyond just that... his wife often times presents applications before the Planning Board. I always thought ethically you were supposed to err on the side of caution and not put yourself in a position where someone could infer unethical actions. Apparently that doesn't apply to the Murphree family" Jul 8, 10 11:58 PM

Condos proposed in return for saving Canoe Place Inn

I consider CPI being dumped on. The fact that that nightclub is still standing is a disgrace. Fortunately White House knew it's time was up and got out - only to be replaced by "The Coliseum" which, correct me if I'm wrong, but has not been opened one day this summer? I seem to remember reading the owner was arrested for threatening employees before Memorial Day.

Regardless, lux time shares or condos are a welcome bit of development on this site as long as they are done tastefully. For me, it's the same as what they did with that god awful hellhole called Allen's Acres. I'd much rather have some condos that only affluent summer people can afford than that dump. And from what I've seen of that plan, it looks quite nice.

Where the residents of HB need to put their foot down is on chains and commercial retail everywhere. There is no hope for a main street when we give variances for drive thru's to McDonalds." Jul 9, 10 12:02 AM

define "easily". Most of the year-round residents of HB are working class folk, with many renters and plenty of laborers. They drive the economy. How many business have opened up on Mtk Hwy. in recent years only to close before the year is up? Those with money bypass HB all together via Sunrise Hwy. or never make it here because they are too busy in Westhampton.

Embrace HB for what it is - a working class community in the Hamptons with access to both Bays. It's a cute and wonderful community to live in - I don't know why it needs to be upscale. I for one can't afford anymore upscale businesses. I'll take Slo Jacks over The Driver's Seat any day. " Jul 9, 10 12:05 AM

"They were asking for a footbridge, that was so their residents could get to the other large structures they were planning on building."

Why would they want a footbridge to walk from one condo complex to the other? More like they'd want one so people can walk from their condos to the restaurant/marina.

Building condos on the Tide Runners site isn't feasible (at least not at the density they are requesting). They are calling ATH's bluff. " Jul 9, 10 12:08 AM

Southampton Town planner defends Tuckahoe planned development district

Ok, so you're upset about the PDD and what Mr. Murphree has said. I don't blame you, I read the article and I don't see why he said all of that, however...

Before making ridiculous accusations (suggesting the AG office look into it), do your homework. Mr. Murphree has been with the Town long before Anna Throne Holst was in the political scene. He has been in the same position for ATH, Kabot, and Heaney (possibly before - not sure when he started).

Stop spouting rumors and making mountains out of mole hills - there is plenty to be upset about without assuming he is in ATH's back pocket. He is an appointed official and therefore he needs to be on the Town Board's side. The Town Board has made it clear they are for this project (for whatever reason) so he is being charged with supporting that. If he comes out and says it's a terrible project they could fire him the next day. He should have just kept his mouth shut like he so often does." Jul 9, 10 9:21 AM

Kabot DWI hearing kicks off, will resume Tuesday

It's not about having resources to challenge a DWI stop - the best way to challenge it is take a breathalyzer if you aren't drunk. The cops can't say "well you blew a .00 but we still think you're loaded (well, they could but it would be an easy case to fight). By not taking the test she forefeited her license for a year, regardless of if a blood test later on proved she was drunk or not. You don't give up your license AND spend all that $$ on an attorney if you are stone sober.

And furthermore, even if she was "putting the screws on the PBA's contract negotiations" she was arrested by the WHBPD. The Town has no say in their budget. And please don't try to say "well they were doing it as a favor to their fellow officers in Southampton". B.S. She had to drive through Southampton Town's jurisdiction to get from the party to her house and I'm sure there were plenty of chances for SHPD to pull her over for spite." Jul 9, 10 9:33 AM

Seconday to what...? The trial is whether or not she was driving under the influence.

Once this is settled she could sue the police for harassement or some other reason, but try not to let Mr. Keahon's pathetic defense sway you" Jul 9, 10 2:23 PM

If you bothered to read the article, it stated she came from East Moriches and was headed home. She had to pass through Eastport, Speonk-Remsenberg, and unincorporated Westhampton.

If your defense is you aren't drunk - then there is no explanation for not giving a Breathalyzer. She could have blown a .02 and been let go if she had only one drink.

Mr. Aube was told of the arrest but that doesn't mean he was responsible for it. My guess (just a guess, not based on any facts) is that someone from WHB called him to etiher brag (there are a lot of people who don't like Kabot) or because they figured it would have an effect on the relationship between the SHPD PBA and Linda - Mr. Aube was going to find out eventually, and whoever told him probably felt he should know ASAP. I'm not saying it was proper for them to do this, but there are a lot of reasons why he was told that have nothing to do with a conspiracy. Are you telling me you have never gotten a juicy piece of gossip and told it to someone who would find it interesting?

I can't explain why the camera was turned off - I can't even make a guess at it, aside from saying that it was likely questionable reasons.

I'm not saying the Police Dept. wasn't doing something fishy - but this trial is the State of NY (or the Village of WHB I suppose) v. Linda Kabot to determine if she was driving under the influence or not.

I'm sure after this case, Linda will sue the police dept. which would be an appropriate time to question what went down.
" Jul 10, 10 8:14 PM

woooow.... I guess you don't watch "cops" huh?" Jul 12, 10 6:11 PM

Sagaponack and town still wrestling to rein in crowds at popular beach gathering

DeKooning, I think you're fishing off the wrong side of the pier...what does permitted septic systems for legal homes have to do with anything? The fact of the matter is those homes are so infrequently used they no doubt put less sewage into the ground than a year round ranch house does.

The Town and Village should embrace this instead of fighting it. The garbage obviously is a huge problem, and there should be strict enforcement of that and dogs on the beach but there must be a way to accomodate parking. How about running shuttles from Bridgehampton Highschool down to the beach and charging $5/person or whatever cost is economical for the Town? It's that or shut down the parking lot altogether like they do with Tiana but that is beginning to infringe on people's rights.

Personally I think it's all a bit whacky, and when I first read about it in Dan's Papers I thought it was one of his crazy made up stories - but it's not like the people are having wild parties or doing/dealing drugs ala the boardy barn or neptunes. If the Town can adequetly handle those matters (which they could legally shut down since they are private businesses that could be brought in for all sorts of code violations) they certainly should be able to deal with people enjoying music at the beach. " Jul 14, 10 2:55 PM

I shouldn't indulge you because it's so far off topic but...

The homes that are in that area fit the allowable zoning set by the towns. I would rather have one 10,000 sq ft. home on 5 acres, then five 3,000 square foot homes on 1 acre. Not to mention the taxes that those part time owners provide makes up a big chunk of the budget.

Ira Rennert's house may be 100,000 sq ft. but he owns 60 acres which breaks down to 1,700 sq ft./acre which of course is probably below average for year round hamptons home. You also are forgetting that the parcels in those area were formally farms and guess what farms use to produce crops? Loads of nitrogen! The nitrogen loading is far less than it was when farms were in full swing - especially when you consider that there were many duck farms in places like eastport and westhampton that completely clogged the waters.

Most, if not all, of those homes have a covenant restricting them to 15% of the property to be fertilized, but it's completely unenforceable. It's still a lot better than a farm from an environmental standpoint though. " Jul 15, 10 8:38 PM

Condos proposed in return for saving Canoe Place Inn

Hey Gordie - check the zoning. They can't build a Wendy's "as-of-right" and even if they could, they would need a special use permit for a drive-thru which the Town Board could deny." Jul 16, 10 10:18 AM

Condos in exchange for Canoe Place Inn restoration plan receives mixed reviews

ICE,

I'm guessing he is bias because he lives in HB...." Jul 16, 10 12:48 PM

Where to begin... As I predicted this would need an STP but I had no idea they owned that piece across the street - I sure feel bad for the homeowners around there, the property values will plumment.


First, Ms. Throne-Holst. Don't you know that your constituents no longer believe you? You state, "Mr. Morgo told residents that Ms. Throne-Holst brought the Rechlers 'kicking and screaming' to the negotiating table.
The Rechlers, I tell you, don’t have an appetite to create something that looks just like the Canoe Place Inn on the outside,” he said. “They didn’t want it.”

Is that so? The way the intial article reads sounds like the Rechlers are demanding this condo project in exchance for preserving CPI, knowing full well they were asking for a lot. You also had claimed you didn't know if the project would require approval from the Town Board or a Change of Zone. If that's true, you don't know anything about this Town or the Planning Process, especially scary since you 'dragged them kicking and screaming" to come up with this plan that you know nothing about.

HB residents - don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes. What they are asking for is ludicrous. The density is 10 units PER acre! Show me 1 condo development in the last 20 years with that density East of Islip. There claims that they will preserve all the trees on the adjacent parcel is BS - they will cut down 1/2 to build the STP and the other 1/2 to meet their parking requirements.

Please don't tell me that ATH really believes a boardwalk and preserving the facade of CPI are public benefits worthy of a PDD. It's unbelieveable that they would have the stone to say saving CPI is a public benefit. It's not if I have to pay to go inside it. Don't let this happen, like those in Tuckahoe, just say No. The Rechler's are limited with their zoning and are bluffing like crazy.
" Jul 16, 10 12:58 PM

Southampton at work on its affordable housing business plan

I believe it's 80-120% of the median income for a family of a certain size. I could be wrong, but I know that's very much in the ballpark - if I'm not mistaken the County sets the guidelines but the Town's can make adjustments to the numbers. And no, if you make $30,000 you cannot afford one. I looked at the condos along Majors Path when the lottery opened, and for a single individual the maximum yearly income was aprox. $50,000 and the cheapest unit was around $210,000 and a downpayment of at least 10% was needed. " Jul 16, 10 2:23 PM

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