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Southampton Village denies request for police records

Bayman, I will shed some light on the second part of your question because I seriously doubt ‘PBA’ will. He has filed a false workers compensation claim that is being investigated by NYS. The workers compensation claim is the first step in attempting to defraud the State into providing him with a tax-free disability pension. He seeks this action due to the fact that he forfeited his pension when he was terminated, and just last week the door was officially closed on his case as the NYS Court of Appeals ruled against Mr. Broich and for the Village of Southampton. The SH Press has a copy of the Court of Appeals decision and knows this to be an imperial fact. " Feb 21, 10 12:39 PM

Since this article is about the Freedom of Information Law I encourage all readers of these posts to FOIL for any of this information. It's all ther for the reading." Feb 21, 10 12:42 PM

PBA

Is Broich seeking a workers comp claim or disability retirement, yes or no???

Did the Appeales Court rule in the Village's favor or not???

Deflection???" Feb 21, 10 1:26 PM

PBA says,

Det. Lamison blah balh blah
Captain blah blah blah
Mayor blah blah blah
Hearing Officer blah blah blah
Chief blah blah blah

They are all out to get me, voices in your head getting louder?" Feb 21, 10 1:30 PM

I will take the reins and call him a liar flat out. All of his claims and accusations were investigated by the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office and the New York State Commission of Investigation, as was reported by the Press. All issues were either dismissed or were satisfactorily addressed by the Village. (See the prior articles in the search bar)

Ask the minority community if he is a liar.
" Feb 23, 10 9:23 PM

Southampton Village asks attorney for opinion on releasing cops' secondary employment information

There seems to be substantial fervor in reference to the practice of secondary employment by the members of the PD, as well as the issue of the FOIL request.

The Village of Southampton is comprised of seven square miles. I assume the Village officers serve the Village taxpayers. I also assume that the majority of the officers are secondarily employed outside the geographical boundaries of the Village where they have no police authority. Why doesn’t the Village just order them not to work in the Village? Problem solved in my opinion.

No legal or contractual prohibition exists that prevents them from working on the side, and I doubt that any internal administrative restrictions would stand up in court anyway. The Village Board has to pass a local law FORBIDDING the officers from extra employment! When they are hired have them sign an agreement that they will only work for the Village…
" Feb 26, 10 8:36 PM

Frank,

Yes, under NYS Village Law a municipal PD may be created as well as abolished by a permissive referendum. The referendum simply needs to be placed on the ballot, hold a special election and let majority rule.

However, someone has to provide PD protection. The County PD will cost three times as much and the Town will not provide the level of personalized service that the residents of the Villages’, both full-time and seasonal, are accustomed to. They like to complain but I doubt the citizens will give up the local control.
" Feb 26, 10 8:45 PM

Southampton Town Board candidates face off in final debate

Hat Size,
Have you considered that the Town Board may be skeptical of enforcing that section of Town Code/Retirement Law due to the inevitable constitutional argument of age discrimination that willbe brought forth by the netharious PBA?
" Feb 26, 10 9:14 PM

Southampton Village asks attorney for opinion on releasing cops' secondary employment information

SHV has a video of the trustees work session from February 23 posted on their website, www.southamptonvillage.org. There is about a half-hour of discussion about the FOIL request, pretty entertaining. Starts about half way through meeting. " Feb 26, 10 9:23 PM

Southampton Village denies request for police records

SHV has a video of the trustees work session from February 23 posted on their website, www.southamptonvillage.org. There is about a half-hour of discussion about the FOIL request, pretty entertaining. Starts about half way through meeting. " Feb 26, 10 9:25 PM

Appellate Division upholds Broich's firing by Southampton Village

SHV has a video of the trustees work session from February 23 posted on their website, www.southamptonvillage.org. There is about a half-hour of discussion about the FOIL request, pretty entertaining. Starts about half way through meeting. " Feb 26, 10 9:26 PM

Car that fled police impounded; driver unidentified

I would also like to recognize the work of the SVPD. It takes fortitude to do the best you can, and then exercise self-control to ensure public safety.

If the officer had been involved in an accident, or hurt an uninvolved motorist or pedestrian, the media would have skewered him/her and the department.

Well done!
" Feb 26, 10 9:37 PM

In case of emergency: East End SWAT teams

Police need to ‘intensively’ train for dangerous events that, god willing, will never happen. They don’t need to train as often for the run of the mill DWI, alarm call or public urination arrest. Don’t think that local PD commanders haven’t researched whether the use of outside resources is a viable option; the fact is that it isn’t. They would never be able to get to the east end in time to stop the carnage. Multi-jurisdictional combination of training and resources is the safest (and most tax effective) way to go. I, for one, am part of the silent majority who are thankful that the police are taking their responsibilities seriously.

“May the lord watch over those who protect the weak from the wicked”
" Mar 7, 10 6:56 PM

And, I have no problem with police aggressively ferreting out and arresting intoxicated/impaired drivers.
Even if they stop vehicles solely for the purpose of determining their sobriety I support them 110%. If you or a loved one were directly affected by the senseless tragedies caused by intoxicated drivers you would not hide behind the constitution as justification.
" Mar 7, 10 7:05 PM

Southampton Village releases some secondary employment information

If it was legal for the Town Board to remove officers from their employment after completion of their twentieth year of service I’m sure they would. Constantly repeating the same line over and over will not make it happen. They will never release them for fear of litigation, and guess what the cops will win (in this case anyway) you can’t arbitrarily remove them after the twentieth year for about a dozen legal issues. And, there are reams of pages of case law on the State and Federal level to prove it. " Mar 8, 10 5:00 PM

The position that the Town can terminate officers upon the completion of their twentieth year of service, as posted above by Hat Size.

Off topic, I know. " Mar 8, 10 6:15 PM

Southampton Village police chief rescinds internal rule governing secondary employment

By posting your anonymous observations of where you believe officers have been working you are making the Chief’s point of why this information should not be released. Why don’t you post where their spouses work, kids go to school etc…

The PD administration is supposed to run the department, not the politicians. That’s why we have Civil Service controls in place, so when a leader makes, what may be an unpopular decision for the greater good there will be no political repercussions. The Chief released all of the requested information according to the Press.

The PD created the order; I guess they can change it if they see that ultimately it is a detriment to their personnel.
" Mar 10, 10 9:36 PM

Southampton Village mayor and police chief at odds over officers' secondary employment applications

The Southampton Village PD has many officers with advanced college degrees, Doctorates, Jurist Doctorates, Masters, Bachelor’s, etc… I am sure that if they were compared to other departments they would average more college degrees than most. You don’t know what you are talking about.

The idea that their secondary employment effects their ‘on-duty’ time is incorrect. Every time I drive by them in the Village they have someone pulled over, they can’t be that tired… Read the police reports in the Press, they do plenty.
" Mar 19, 10 6:53 PM

Our society condones athletes playing ‘games’ making tens of millions of dollars a year. If we, as a people, had any sense it would be the military, police and firefighters making that money! When was the last time you heard of a ‘sports celebrity’ saving a life. (other than Tillman) We are a joke to the world… " Mar 19, 10 7:13 PM

"just wait and see"...

What, are you four years old?" Mar 19, 10 7:18 PM

Sorry...This was for DP377k" Mar 19, 10 7:20 PM

All police officers in Nassau/Suffolk Counties earn these salaries, insane or not. The tiny “crime free” community in which you refer (and I reside) has a raging narcotics issue, burglaries, and every other aspect of crime that faces society. Over 600 arrests made by a 30 person police department and you have the unadulterated gall to comment on the people who deal with what you and I could not...Now that’s insane… " Mar 20, 10 9:43 AM

The problem with the SCWA case cited along with this article is that no consideration is made to the fact that Taylor Law and NYS Binding Arbitration are applicable to police officers. Any change to their current collective bargaining agreement or unilateral change in working conditions will undoubtedly result in costly litigation that the Village will lose based on previous case law.

Frankly, the SCWA case is overly simplistic in its view of secondary employment, and would not be appropriate for police personnel.
" Mar 23, 10 11:41 AM

Southampton Town Board Fails To Appoint New Police Chief

I assume the “undercover operatives” are Nuzzi and Graboski, since you failed to mention them. And you believe they have no agenda? Get real. " Apr 16, 11 4:39 PM

Town Police Chief Appointment May Be Clouded By Politics

The Personnel Director of Suffolk County Civil Service has established the eligibility criteria for the Town Board so that internal employees or any current civil service Chief of Police may apply for the Town PD opening. This decision ensures that there will be no opportunity for a discrimination lawsuit. There are many documented instances of a PD bringing in a Chief from outside the organization. It is a widely held belief within organizational management that bringing in a qualified executive manager, without deep or longstanding professional/personal ties with current employees, allows for unbiased relations with the workforce.

NYS Civil Service Law ultimately dictates what is allowable during promotion or transfer of municipal employees.
" Apr 17, 11 3:34 PM

While I agree that a national or extended search would bring a tremendous amount of candidates, NYS General Municipal Law, Civil Service Law and Town Law dictates that the Police Chief shall be selected from within the SUFFOLK COUNTY CIVIL SERVICE SYSTEM. ONLY EXISTING CIVIL SERVICE CHIEFS or STPD PERSONNEL ARE ELIGABLE TO BE DESIGNATED TO THIS POSITION. We may not agree, but this is how it is!" Apr 23, 11 7:14 PM