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UPDATE: Town Officials Respond To Shinnecock Plan For Billboards On Sunrise Highway In Hampton Bays

Forget about the Town of Southampton. These billboards simply do not comply with state and federal highway laws for multiple reasons. It isn't hard to look up I really don't understand how they think they will get away with this. It is a safety issue period. They will be put up then have to be taken down.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/programs/nys-signs/off-premise" May 7, 19 6:44 PM

Also I may add that it is right near the rest area "...outside of villages and cities, signs may also not be closer than 500 feet from an interchange, intersection, safety rest area, or information center." It isn't 500 feet away from the rest area I can tell you that." May 7, 19 6:48 PM

UPDATE: Hampton Bays Beautification Association Protest Of Planned Shinnecock Nation Billboards Rescheduled To Wednesday

It’s stupid to protest over it. However they will be forced to take them eventually by order of NYDOT they are illegal. And no the land they are building them on is not sovereign territory it was decided in 2008 by a federal judge. " May 10, 19 8:57 PM

Regardless The state will have to get involved it is a safety issue. https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/real-estate/repository/Part%20150-Book%20Copy.pdf
TITLE 17 TRANSPORTATION
§150.7 Sign spacing restrictions.
(b)On interstate highways and controlled access highways on the primary highway system…Outside of villages and cities, no sign structure may be located within 500 feet of an interchange, intersection at grade, safety rest area or information center measured along the highway from the beginning or ending of pavement
widening at the exit from or entrance to the main-traveled way.
I was drove past the other day the signs are located right on top of the ramps for the parking area. They are Illegal and it's a safety question can be made for them." May 11, 19 11:45 AM

Shinnecock Nation Leaders Say Signs On Sunrise Are Essential To Tribe's Economic Well-Being

I hope they don't force them to stop putting them up until they are fully built and paid for! Then they will be forced to take them down When NYDOT says they are illegal and pose a SAFETY hazard. Anything that has to do with safety a judge will side with the state. https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/real-estate/repository/Part%20150-Book%20Copy.pdf
TITLE 17 TRANSPORTATION
§150.7 Sign spacing restrictions.
(b)On interstate highways and controlled access highways on the primary highway system…Outside of villages and cities, no sign structure may be located within 500 feet of an interchange, intersection at grade, safety rest area or information center measured along the highway from the beginning or ending of pavement widening at the exit from or entrance to the main-traveled way.
I know where they are and I say this again. The signs are located right on top of the ramps for the parking area. They are Illegal and it's a safety question can be made for them. You can't have people merging onto a highway with giant signs in their face. The town doesn't have to do anything they can sit and watch." May 13, 19 12:50 PM

Haha I don't think so. It's a safety hazard any judge will side with the state. Just like how if you blow though a school bus sign or speed in a school zone. It gets thrown out of court. Not even our friend Mr. Cuomo could keep his signs. It wont happen right away, but they will be taken down." May 13, 19 1:15 PM

Ummm it is something called the law that says it's a safety issue. Your opinion on what is safe and what is not doesn't really matter. It is there in plain text. If NY state doesn't comply with it the federal government will pull highway funding from the state. They won't let that happen over two signs. If it weren't near that spot near an on and off ramp they probably could get away with putting the signs up legally. Right and there is no judge in the state or federal level who decides these types of things..." May 14, 19 7:09 PM

You're right they have stoped construction. I've noticed that too. However that is irrelevant. Whether they go up or not doesn't really going to make a difference on what their fate will be. If they decide they are illegal (which is pretty likely from what I read and researched) they can tell them to take them down just as easy as telling them to stop building them." May 14, 19 8:55 PM

UPDATE: Tribal Council Chairman Will Not Attend Civic Association Meeting Monday Night Due To Community Protest

Yep they definitely don't comply with the law. I've read it. Especially considering they are right on top of the on and off ramps. You simply can't have people merging on the highway with a distracting light up sign in their face. However it may take the state forever with all the red tape and everything. The entire Native American aspect of the whole thing will take a while. However they will eventually come down I can definitely tell you that. Living in Hampton Bays I could care less about them and the light pollution BS. It is a matter of safety at this point and should be treated as such. " May 17, 19 11:33 AM

UPDATE: Shinnecock Tribe Continues Billboard Work As Lawsuit With State Looms

What did they expect honestly? I can't see the tribe winning this at this point. If the DOT waited this long to send a letter they know well that they have the authority to tell them to stop." May 18, 19 9:55 AM

I can say right now this won’t be resolved anytime soon. " May 22, 19 2:50 PM

First Of Two Shinnecock Billboards Nears Completion

It has not yet been decided by a federal court that the land that the signs are on is in fact sovereign. Not defending what mychildmatters said but what you are saying is not exactly true at this point. " May 23, 19 4:52 PM

Southampton Town Planning Board Takes Early Look At Proposal For CVS In Hampton Bays Movie Theater Space

The movie theater has become a rip off. Doesn't surprise me." May 29, 19 5:04 PM

Southampton Town Board Looks To Ban Release Of Balloons

Why make a law that you can't enforce? Plenty of other things the Town Board should be worrying about. " May 29, 19 5:17 PM

State Supreme Court Issues Temporary Restraining Order Against Shinnecock Billboards

Correct it is their land. But it has not yet been proven in a Federal Court that THAT land (the Westwoods Property) is sovereign Territory. Just because a Sovereign nation owns land that doesn't make the land sovereign. If they had built a billboard that had compiled with Federal and State highway standards there would have been no problem building signs of their land. That is not the case here. The burden of proof is for the Shinnecock Nation to prove that the land is sovereign which they have not yet done. Until then the state has every right to enforce the law like they would with any other property owner along the right of way." Jun 2, 19 12:03 PM

Project Managers Say They've Suffered Damages From State And Town Efforts To Stop Billboards; Tribe Will Continue To Ignore State Court's TRO

It has not yet been decided by a federal court that THAT land (the Westwoods Property) is sovereign land. Until then the entire thing is up in the air. " Jun 6, 19 7:07 PM

The entire thing is pretty complicated for sure and this I can tell you won't be sorted out for a while. It was pretty foolish of the Nation to not have this sovereign land claim sorted out before they built the signs in the first place. It is very likely at this point that they will be forced to take them down in the future anyway as NYDOT can easily make a safety argument over them. This is due to their close proximity to the on and off ramps or the parking area (The law says it is simply not safe to have a giant electronic sign in front of drivers when they are merging onto a highway). I guarantee they are illegal in so many other ways as well. If the Nation was smart they'd stop construction of the second sign before they waste even more money on something they will be forced to take down." Jun 8, 19 3:25 PM

It may also come down to what where the exact details of the land easement that was made in the 1950’s. Even in the unlikely case it is proven to be sovereign land, it may say in that easement that the DOT still has the right to use the land and enforce laws along its right of way even if they don’t own it. Which could include billboards. Who knows at this point. " Jun 8, 19 4:04 PM

My question is why would any investor bother with this entire thing knowing that they’d be very controversial and not really knowing for sure if they are legal?" Jun 11, 19 1:16 PM