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Southampton School District Presents New Projections For Tuckahoe Merger

"Not to mention throw away $9 million tax dollars we have already paid to save Tuckahoe", Just curious, what's that about April? As far as I know, Tuckahoe pays Southampton a very high tuition to send their kids to SH High. I've never heard of Southampton paying Tuckahoe for anything, but I could be wrong." Aug 18, 14 10:33 PM

This is a perfect example of why the Hamptons was voted one of the most unfriendly towns in America. The message sent to Tuckahoe kids is "you aren't needed or wanted here unless you pay what we tell you", and the message sent to Southampton kids is "don't help your neighbors and friends because they chose to buy there, so screw them, they can go find help elsewhere". I I have to agree with what Westhampton had been saying for years, send your kids here, we want them, we will charge less and will give the kids a superior education to that which your Southampton neighbors charge you more for. It's time for Tuckahoe to change direction, our neighbors have spoken. Make a good deal with Westhampton for a lower tuition, and take the savings to try to keep Tuckahoe viable. Then we can sit back and watch as Southampton can no longer field full teams and AP classes. They can build their $9 million building rather than take Tuckahoe's beautiful property. We will watch as the parents of Southampton students fight tooth and nail for tax increases to make up for the large Tuckahoe tuition loss, while the Southampton Association and residents of their own district tell them to go scratch." Aug 23, 14 11:04 AM

Jewish Religious Boundary Goes Up In Westhampton Beach

All religions have some aspects that outsiders find silly, for instance, celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th when it's clear that he wasn't born in the winter. I'm sure there are reasons why the eruv is needed for the orthodox Jews, and you likely need to be practicing that religion to understand it completely. Denying a particular group something that has no effect on you in an effort to keep them out of your neighborhood is just wrong and the only ones who benefit from a continued legal battle is the lawyers. " Aug 23, 14 9:52 PM

Southampton School District Presents New Projections For Tuckahoe Merger

You are right April, it is the tax cap that is bringing Tuckahoe down. Big Fresh, no, we didn't buy in this district with the knowledge that this would happen. Tuckahoe has been subsidizing Southampton SD residents for a very long time, to the tune of over $4 million per year, which averages $35,000+ per Tuckahoe student (not including transportation). Tuckahoe isn't looking for a handout, we will pay taxes to the Southampton district as well. You will not be maintaining OUR building, you will own it and YOUR students will attend school there as well. You will not be subsidizing OUR busses, we will be paying taxes for them. The house on the property (not across the street) can be utilized, or possibly sold, it's a non issue and only a benefit as far as this possible merger is concerned, as it increases the value of the property. I know it sucks that your taxes will eventually go up a little, and I don't blame residents for being angry about that, but Tuckahoe has make a move, and when Southampton turns their back and Tuckahoe goes elsewhere, there will be a price to pay in Southampton as well, with no concessions from the state to soften the blow. Make no mistake April, our relationship is a two way street." Aug 24, 14 11:58 AM

Tuckahoe Appoints Sixth-Grade Teacher As New Principal

Here we go again April, here's some additional information that you may not have considered before making your comment above. In grades pre-k through 8, Tuckahoe has around 400 students (not including the ones we send out) Tuckahoe has one superintendent, one principal and no assistant principal. In Southampton pre-k through 8 there are around 1000 students, 2 principals and 2 assistant principals and 1/3 of a superintendent (assuming he is split equally between the three districts). So tell me what the problem is and why you consider Ms Sicari's promotion to principal "reckless"? Both superintendents need to follow the same laws, they need to file most of the same reports, they both need to oversee all state mandated responsibilities, etc, etc. So what you're saying is that Mr. Dyer alone should do close to the same job as Dr. Richard, Dr. Grimaldi, Mr. Frazier, Ms. Wright and Dr. Farina? Really? The student to top administrator ration is about the same in Tuckahoe as Southampton. Ms. Sicari is an excellent choice. You should also keep in mind that the new principal was a very experienced 6th grade teacher that was probably at the top of her pay scale after 18 years and the new teacher that is hired to replace the empty teaching position will likely be earning far, far less, creating another area of savings to help offset the cost. It's clear you don't want the merger, but don't bash just to bash, and stick to arguments that make sense." Aug 29, 14 12:19 AM

Meant to say "split equally between the three schools", not the three districts.
" Aug 29, 14 12:23 AM

I did not know that. According to GreatSchools, Southampton SD spends $4000+ per year per student more than Tuckahoe.
" Aug 29, 14 11:12 PM

April, there was an assistant principal then, now there is none. There were two top administrators then and two at the top now. " Aug 31, 14 3:00 AM

April, Tuckahoe is a bare bones school, there aren't bells and whistles and programs are minimal. After contractual expenses, Tuckahoe's biggest expense is the tuition that is paid to Southampton High School. The SH District has charged Tuckahoe and the Shinnecock Indian Reservation (paid by the state), the highest legal rate they could charge for decades, and because Tuckahoe families wanted go to school in their own community, they've paid. This has subsidized your taxes for decades, but that era is coming to an end. The choices now are merging with another district or pulling all the Tuckahoe kids out of Southampton and sending them to a substantially less expensive high school. I don't think that Southampton could or would drastically lower our tuition, because they need to justify the high tuition charged to the state for the reservation. April, you seem to believe that Tuckahoe is in the shape they are in because there is lots of waste, but that's wrong. We don't have the tax base, the mansions, or the business district that Southampton enjoys, plus we have hundreds of acres of low tax properties (like the golf courses and the college). Both districts need to look at this from a practical standpoint and let go of the anger. Most of all we all have to realize that something must change and that change for Tuckahoe means change for Southampton as well, whether or not the merger is approved." Aug 31, 14 9:57 AM

Your post clearly shows me that you don't know what you're talking about. The country club school thing was about 10 years ago, and the superintendent thing was years ago as well. So lets try to live in the present. You would need to ask Southampton what they're netting, but the fact that they forced Tuckahoe to sign an exclusivity agreement and stop sending kids to Westhampton in exchange for a slightly lower tuition answers that question in a more general way. Golf courses by law get HUGE tax breaks and pay only a fraction of what they should. How we can use golf courses to promote the school (or why we even want to promote the school) is beyond me. Again, let's try to live in the present April, Tuckahoe has no special programs, bells or whistles, some quite large classes, few teaching assistants, a highly diverse population with it's own inherent struggles, and you haven't given me a current, valid example of why you think Tuckahoe is wasteful." Sep 1, 14 8:17 PM

Hey Big Fresh…This isn't just about taxes, but about a district that can no longer afford to operate. I wish we could continue to keep everything just as it is. Compared to the rest of Long Island, even Tuckahoe's taxes are relatively low. I agree with you though, the merger won't be approved. It is my belief that we should get over the notion of going to school in our own community and merge with Westhampton, or at least talk to them about a significantly more affordable tuition rate in exchange for sending all future high school students to Westhampton (I never believe in pulling a kid out of their current school). You guys in Southampton can then deal with how to fight against the Southampton Assn and their full page ads that encourage the community to vote down the inevitable budget increases that will indeed come from losing millions every year in Tuckahoe tuition. Southampton is very possibly facing a lose-lose decision, which is why it's my contention that it's more about keeping the community intact. " Sep 1, 14 8:43 PM

Couple Donates $50K To East Quogue Elementary Science Program

Wow, so nice to hear good news like this. The kids are very fortunate." Sep 2, 14 10:31 PM

Southampton Expresses Doubt Over Merger With Tuckahoe

The board makes perfect sense. If there's no interest in a merger, why waste time and money. If Tuckahoe can't survive financially, perhaps it's time to send the Tuckahoe kids all to Westhampton, or talk about a merger with them. As much as I don't want to see the community broken up, the writing is on the wall. It's a shame the two tax district thing didn't pan out, it seemed like an ideal solution." Sep 3, 14 8:58 PM

No choice, we are in a better place to negotiate a good tuition and possibly save Tuckahoe by sending all kids to Westhampton. April, you are right, the districts are supposed to be neighboring, but rules can be changed, especially since we have a governor that really wants small districts to merge with larger ones. Tuckahoe voters won't approve Hampton Bays. Westhampton is an excellent district and may be easier to sell to residents if Southampton is off the table." Sep 3, 14 11:54 PM

Southampton Village Board Concerned About Plan For King Kullen In Tuckahoe

I avoid the village completely in the summer and Waldbaums is not a pleasant place to shop. Citarella traffic is a test of my patience. There is nowhere else for regular folks to shop in between Hampton Bays and Bridgehampton, that's a long stretch." Sep 4, 14 12:06 AM

Southampton Expresses Doubt Over Merger With Tuckahoe

Perhaps Southampton will take on Bridgehampton kids to replace Tuckahoe students. It's time for Tuckahoe to cut the cord with the Southampton SD and move in a different direction." Sep 4, 14 2:57 PM

Based upon the last vote, there aren't many supporters. Thats sad, but it's the reality. Perhaps Tuckahoe needs to accept that and move forward, and consider piercing the tax cap to keep our school open and maintain our property values. Sending the kids to Westhampton would be a good thing in the long run, it is an excellent school, and lots of very successful kids go out of district now. It isn't going to kill them. Then after a few years maybe Southampton will want to talk merger again. Who knows. We have to move on as a community. " Sep 5, 14 10:00 AM

Southampton Village Board Concerned About Plan For King Kullen In Tuckahoe

Nor was village interested in Golden Pear, Schmidts or all the other smaller eateries in Southampton when it approved the much larger Citarella. The only competition King Kullen has in Southampton is Waldbaums. Although it is the closest store to me, I avoid it and go to Hampton Bays. The commercial tax base for a new King Kullen may help the Tuckahoe School District as well." Sep 5, 14 12:46 PM

David, it's not the ONLY reason, and you are incorrect that businesses don't add to the tax rolls. The reason I like the King Kullen proposal is because I would like to not have to drive 10 miles to pick up a few things at the supermarket. Hampton Bays has three shopping centers. Water Mill has a shopping center. Bridgehampton has a shopping center, Southampton Village has a shopping district. Tuckahoe should have their own as well. Southampton doesn't consider Tuckahoe as part of their community, but they want us to shop there and pay tuition there. Now they want to decide whether or not we can build a shopping center in Tuckahoe? It's time for Tuckahoe to finally become it's own community. " Sep 5, 14 9:05 PM

svo, if Waldbaums wants to compete with King Kullen, it will upgrade when competition is created, it's a crappy store because there is no competition, just like its East Hampton store. The Southampton/Tuckahoe area can easily support two supermarkets, and as far as traffic through the village streets, many that live in Tuckahoe are using those side streets to get to Waldbaums, and the new housing plans being developed in Tuckahoe will use those side streets to get to Waldbaums as well. Ideally I would love to see an IGA in one of the strip malls already in existence in Tuckahoe, but nobody is proposing that. Any other location would create an additional traffic signal, this one does not, there's already one in place. No, I'm not expecting a tax "windfall", but with all the properties in Tuckahoe with tax breaks and exemptions, a supermarket will pay far more than the golf courses and college. This should not be a decision made by Southampton Village government, and I hope they don't waste time and taxpayer money on a lawsuit. " Sep 6, 14 9:54 AM

I'll bet he donated plenty! Perhaps as much as Citarella donated to village officials for their very special treatment. It's business as usual in the Hamptons. The project isn't far fetched though. A King Kullen bringing traffic to a standstill and clogging village streets is far fetched. People have to drive to a supermarket. The closer a market is to home the less street, the less driving, the less clogging." Sep 6, 14 12:39 PM

You're comparing a new supermarket in Southampton to Riverhead??? This is the problem with the arguments against the supermarket. I'm reading unsafe, clogged streets, ugly sprawl, standstill traffic, mega mall...all pretty far fetched. " Sep 6, 14 4:39 PM

What do people really want in that location? Another mechanic? Used tire place? Perhaps we need another car dealer? Or better yet maybe more condos! Something will eventually be built there, it might as well be something the Tuckahoe community actually needs." Sep 7, 14 12:48 AM

For some size perspective, here are some number's I found online. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will tell me:
The property is 7.25 acres or 315,810 sq. ft. For visualization, this is over 5.5 NFL football fields, including end zones.
The King Kullen will be 40,000 sq. ft., there will be 15,000 sq. ft. of shops and a 3,500 sq. ft. bank, for a total of 58,500 sq. ft. (on a 385,810 sq. ft. lot). For visualization, the total building is the size of a single football field on a lot the size of 5.5 football fields.
Is the 15,000 sq. ft. allowable zoning (quoted above by obbservant) per lot? I believe there are several lots contained in this project.
The very reduced scope of this project (much smaller than the original plan with no apartments) is not quite the mega mall that opponents are making it out to be.
Fatal accidents happen as a result of existing high speed traffic, this project may slow down cars a bit and will likely reduce fatalities. I'm not even sure if it will slow traffic, but it definitely won't speed it up.
I suspect that if there were a vote (which won't happen, we have a representative govt), it would be of the entire community, and not just those who live adjacent to the property, and would likely pass. This process has gone on beyond a single election cycle, and if people truly felt that ATH was in Morrow's pocket, the community had their chance to get her out of office. Most developers out here contribute to political campaigns, I'm sure this is no exception (this info should be found in public filings, right?).

" Sep 7, 14 10:17 AM

Southampton School District To Host Meeting On Thursday To Discuss Potential Merger With Tuckahoe

You are incorrect Chief. The state would rather we work this out on our own, and have offered incentives to do so. Governor Cuomo wants this, local state politicians went as far as having a bill passed in Albany specifically to help make this happen, because they want it. We have a school district about to go broke that wants it. Do you really think that Tuckahoe residents are going to start the process all over and do the required long and expensive feasibility study to merge with Hampton Bays, knowing that Tuckahoe residents won't approve it? After Southampton shoots this down, and after Tuckahoe goes broke, the state steps in, and they will be responsible for the education of the Tuckahoe kids. They have the total power to "redistrict". They aren't going to redistrict us in to Hampton Bays when the Tuckahoe School facility is closer to many Southampton kids than the Southampton facilities are! And if they do, I highly doubt you will still have 10 years of one sided incentives to do so.
" Sep 9, 14 6:19 PM

Chief, one thing that we are sure of, Tuckahoe SD will not exist for long, but our kids will still go to school. In the very short term, how this happens is in the hands of the Southampton SD voters. After that, it will be in the hands of the state. Southampton will EASILY be the only logical place for the kids, (especially with a good portion of our kids there already), and that's exactly where the state will put the Tuckahoe kids. If you believe otherwise, you're fooling yourself. Think about this and follow it through to it's logical conclusion." Sep 9, 14 6:46 PM

Sandy, in the long run, where do you really, truly think the Tuckahoe kids are going to wind up when the school closes?" Sep 9, 14 7:56 PM

Tuckahoe has cut staff by over 20% and has a residency officer who works to verify that kids live in the district. Tuckahoe does not have the authority to close the motels. Where do you see this going chief? What happens when Tuckahoe cannot pay its bills? We are talking about the very near future. Do you think the state is going to just send kids home to be schooled by their parents? " Sep 9, 14 11:07 PM

I was being sarcastic. Of course they will not all be sent home to learn. They will be sent somewhere though, unless the Regional HS idea flies. If that happens I suppose Southampton High is at risk of losing both Tuckahoe and Reservation $$$. Then your taxes will really fly." Sep 10, 14 1:28 PM

Legislators And Tuckahoe, Southampton Contemplate A Future Without A Merger

Instead of an immediate reduction for Tuckahoe and increase for Southampton, there would be a 10 year phase-in where Tuckahoe would pay higher taxes than Southampton. A lot has changed due to to legislative actions. People should attend the meeting and get their facts straight, instead of taking the word of commenters on 27east. " Sep 10, 14 5:41 PM

Chief, the issue is that these smaller school districts can no longer afford to pay tuition at a rate that is higher than The Ross School. Receiving schools (SH, EH and WH) have shown a complete unwillingness to lower tuition or merge, because the sending schools are a gold mine and have subsidized their own taxpayers for years (which is why I'm appalled when you guys talk about subsidizing Tuckahoe). So if all the districts mentioned in the article combined together to create their own high school, they could probably do it for far less than the maximum allowed by law that's being charged by SH, EH and WH, thereby lowering the high tax rates in Tuckahoe, Remsenburg-Speonk, East Quogue, Quogue, Springs, Wainscott and Montauk (Montauk being a stretch). Ideally there would be school mergers all across the south fork, that would absolutely be the best thing for the future of the east end, but clearly the residents of the receiving districts are thinking only of themselves and losing their subsidies, not about the future of all south fork communities. " Sep 10, 14 9:51 PM

Southampton School District To Host Meeting On Thursday To Discuss Potential Merger With Tuckahoe

A very general statement. Perhaps you would like to elaborate?" Sep 10, 14 9:54 PM

I guess you don't get out much. Tuckahoe doesn't have enough money to run the school and there is a tax cap law in place. The blame partly goes to high school tuition costs being charged to Tuckahoe for years, combined with Tuckahoe's low tax base and smaller economy. No, I don't think it's all Southampton's fault (and never said that it was, you made that up), but the tuition was part of the equation." Sep 10, 14 9:58 PM

And stick to the facts please Chief. In Southampton, 1,768 people voted, with 693 voting yes and 1,075 opposing. That would mean a 40% support rate and that was before legislation sweetened the deal. It is a fact that people who oppose speak the loudest. They also tend to spread inflammatory false information (and figures) to support their claims. " Sep 10, 14 10:07 PM

Thank you Frost. Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees and outside opinions are a breath of fresh air. I think most outsiders would cringe at what's going on here. Tuckahoe has risen to the occasion when it came to educating the immigrants. They are here, and until those who have the power of enforcement say otherwise, they need to be educated. A future Southampton filled with uneducated immigrants would be a disaster." Sep 10, 14 10:24 PM

Valuable time? Are you talking about these volunteers who spend hours doing this for no money at all? The problem in Southampton is the lack of parental participation in their children's education." Sep 10, 14 10:29 PM

Southampton School Board Decides To Bring Tuckahoe Merger To A Straw Vote Again

Thank you to those that came out tonight to show the board that there are lots of people in favor of a merger. Often people only came out to complain, so it appeared that they are representative of what the community wants, which clearly is not the case. April, what's in "the best interest of the taxpayers" is a stable, close knit community that sticks together, not one that fights tooth and nail to separate us." Sep 11, 14 11:18 PM

The meeting was very well publicized April. There was a presentation given and a chance for questions. There were only two people in the room who had anything to say that was not overwhelmingly positive, one person had no clue about anything, the other was worried about where to park the extra buses. " Sep 12, 14 9:18 AM

For a Southampton meeting, that is a large turnout." Sep 12, 14 9:19 AM

Chief, again I need to call you out on your facts. Most speakers were absolutely not from Tuckahoe. " Sep 12, 14 9:23 AM

"Threaten" to take away the high school students? Really? Tuckahoe is broke, they can't afford the average $35,000 per year they've been paying to subsidize your taxes. It's not a threat, it's the reality of the situation. " Sep 12, 14 9:26 AM

The best thing that came out of last night was a clear, positive message of unity. Zach Epley clearly pointed out how close the ties are in his moving statement. It was civilized, there was no name calling. It wasn't about money for once, because clearly the tax issue isn't substantial enough to rip apart a community and send 500 kids packing to another district. " Sep 12, 14 9:50 AM

April, why do you think the Southampton school board is pushing for the merger, just curious what your thought process is." Sep 12, 14 9:55 AM

That's false. People vote for candidates knowing they have agendas that will likely increase their taxes. Obamacare for one example. People believe it's for the greater good. " Sep 12, 14 10:21 PM

I believe what he's trying to say is the higher the taxes, the higher the rent. An easy concept to understand if you ask me. I thought Mr Epley said he is a homeowner, SH School District. The Tuckahoe teachers that spoke were there as SH school district resident/homeowners as well, with kids in the SH schools." Sep 12, 14 10:53 PM

They are there to do what's right for the kids. The school board members are volunteers, there's nothing in it for them. " Sep 12, 14 10:57 PM

A larger student body allows a school to offer more for the students. More kids=more choices in the classroom. This exposes kids to different career options, more ap's, more sports, more clubs, more friends. The merger also teaches the kids about the value of community, about not turning away 1/4 of the kids that live in the very same neighborhood as you because of petty greed. Everyone complains today that kids are selfish. I suspect it's poor role modeling. " Sep 13, 14 7:53 AM

Taxes increase every year, always. For the next 10 years Tuckahoe will be paying far more to give our kids the same exact education in the same exact classroom as yours, just as we have in the past. If you did your homework you would see that the numbers in Tuckahoe are actually declining. 500 includes the high school, those kids are already in your classroom. You and your friends also never, ever address the fact that Tuckahoe has been paying more than their fair share for decades!!" Sep 13, 14 8:10 AM

Get over it already sandy, that was over 20 years ago. Most of us didnt even live here then. It doesn't negate what a handful of whiners here wont acknowledge - that Tuckahoe has subsidized Southampton taxes for decades and will for the next 10 years. Now you are crying that its better for everyone to vote no because YOUR taxes will go up a little! Lol. There are so many really good reasons to support this merger, and clearly you guys are becoming the minority." Sep 13, 14 4:48 PM

Not sure what you mean marlin...I did live here 20 years ago, not in Tuckahoe though. When I left my last place to move 5 miles away I had no idea that my children would be treated like they don't belong in Southampton, by a small minority. Folks were much kinder then. " Sep 13, 14 5:14 PM

I'm not buying that. Its not enough money to ship 500 Southampton residents off to another town for their schooling, not if you think with your heart and your head. " Sep 13, 14 7:11 PM

Maxwell, many kids out here lack educational support at home, it's not the entire issue, but a large part of it. Southampton offers advanced classes for those who can take advantage of it, not enough kids do. I can go on and on about this subject, but suffice it to say it is not all the school's fault.
As far as the Tuckahoe plan goes,it should be mentioned that as a result of the merger, Southampton SD taxes should actually decrease until the 2018-2019 school year, when the tax rate increases only 4 cents - 5 cents per year. These numbers are only as they relate to the merger, not the usual increases that come every year." Sep 13, 14 10:00 PM

They're actually going down as a result of the merger for the first few years. I wouldn't speak for "most of SH", you will likely find a different outcome next time 'round." Sep 13, 14 11:00 PM

The "propaganda" came from two studies, one independent, one not and they weren't far apart; but I'm sure you know better Chief. No, there was never a real vote, just a straw vote. There were never incentives either, and there was only a 20% separation during the straw vote (contrary to the 90% comments you posted all over). You continually make things up. Even after the merger your taxes will still be very low. Time will tell, as there will be a straw vote soon and the tide is turning. Good luck. " Sep 14, 14 12:52 PM

"These numbers are only as they relate to the merger, not the usual increases that come every year"
And from an earlier post above:
"Taxes increase every year, always."
Don't twist my words please April. " Sep 14, 14 1:19 PM

OLH is indeed a great school. But remember that it's subsidized by the Catholic Church. It's teachers aren't required to hold masters degrees (state law, not school law). The students are all from families that are involved in their education. Their transportation, school nurses and books are paid for by the local school district that each child is from (including busing to schools as far away as Riverhead). They don't have ESL, Special Ed, There's no free lunch, or free breakfast. They don't have to deal with poor people or english language learners. Serious discipline issues are deal with by kicking a kid out of school. It's not fair to compare private and public schools. Private schools are only an option for few." Sep 15, 14 7:43 PM

Nothing will facilitate parental involvement, unfortunately. I believe this to be the root problem of education today. There are rarely consequences for kids anymore and so many lack respect for adults or authority. BUT, Southampton High School offers accelerated classes for kids from families that do take school seriously, and it is possible to excel there, as much as in a Catholic high school. The kids and families have to want it. What I don't understand is why people who are so obviously hating the school and complaining about it and the curriculum non stop (a certain lone woman at board meetings instantly comes to mind), don't send their kids elsewhere. If I were as miserable as she appears to be, I certainly would! Life is way too short to live it always angry." Sep 16, 14 11:12 PM

Besides, there was some grumbling then, but I don't think it ever went up for a vote in the 70's. Remember, most of the time it's the dissenters that make a lot of noise, and it makes the appearance that it's what everyone wants. Like the proposed King Kullen...lots of dissenters at meetings, but I'll bet that if it went up for a real vote it would easily pass, because it will make peoples lives easier! I have the feeling that the merger vote will pass also, for the most part, I think most residents want to put this behind us. Voting no will leave bad feelings that most people out here don't want, for years to come. This community is better than that." Sep 16, 14 11:20 PM

The first vote was approved and scheduled for mid November, so time will tell. Sorry about the Obamacare issue. I agree with you on that point, I can't afford insurance at all." Sep 17, 14 7:16 AM

So now the school board, in this crazy economy, is supposed to predict the inflation rate for the next 10 years? That and your scam and redistribution of wealth theories are getting silly. It's really not that complicated. Sometimes taxes go up, yours will still be lower than about every district on Long Island, no matter how you look at it. In the scheme of education, it's a merger of two small school districts within a close knit community, nothing more. It's just the right thing to do. " Sep 17, 14 11:16 PM

If you don't think this is a close knit community perhaps it's your choice to live on the outside of it.
You're also wrong about when the Tuckahoe and Southampton kids meet. Many kids in Southampton and Tuckahoe are friends way before high school, mostly starts around 4 or 5 years old, in t-ball, sometimes religion, library activities, soccer, SYS, etc. Kids from Southampton and Tuckahoe share a lot. They have few if any friends from Sag Harbor, Bridgehampton or Hampton Bays (except HB kids that go to Tuckahoe). It's you who isn't being truthful. " Sep 20, 14 2:45 PM

Chief, there is nothing special about wanting a public education in the neighborhood where I live. Your comment is out of line." Sep 21, 14 12:17 AM

Tuckahoe does not have 15 kids in their Kindergarten classes, there are over 20, and if there is a single special ed kid that requires it, the class gets an additional teacher. The Superintendent came in from Pennsylvania, not the south, and lives in Southampton. He only moved here for this job, would you buy a house in a district on the brink? There was an application and interview process for Farina's job. Mr. Dyer was not a personal friend of Bob Grisnik, do you think all military people know eachother? The vote would have possibly been earlier had a few outspoken community members just let the process happen. I implore people to get informed also and make their own decision, but beware of taking the advice of people who have no clue what they're talking about." Sep 21, 14 6:42 PM

Chief, you're correct, many local people, including Shinnecocks, are hired by local districts, but do you have examples of more qualified teachers being passed over for less qualified locals? Is there an issue with hiring locally? How can you say that students can't learn common core when this is the first year it's fully implemented? Must be that crystal ball. Tuckahoe isn't going to "get a grip on expenses", they're facing a state takeover when the well runs dry. Do you really think that the state is going to continue to run Tuckahoe for years? Follow this through to it's logical conclusion. The districts will be merged anyway." Sep 21, 14 6:53 PM

No, he doesn't live in the house that the district purchased, he provides for himself. I am not blaming Southampton. The issue is that it's very expensive to run such a small district, with the tax cap in place we can no longer afford to send them to high school because the tuition is so high. A child should be able to go to school in their own community." Sep 21, 14 7:51 PM

Which statement? That the supervisor lives in a home provided by the district and that he doesn't provide for himself? If that's the one you're standing by, you are incorrect, as noted under your comment above. Whatever side you choose, please stick to the facts." Sep 21, 14 7:53 PM

And as for the "bullying", only those trying to prevent the vote are bullying. Two boards, duly elected, made a decision. Deal with it." Sep 21, 14 7:54 PM

I agree with you on including BH in the merger. Let's take that one step further. There are 17 separate school districts on the east end. It's a crazy waste of taxpayer money, and many of them should be merged. In alphabetical order, amagansett, bridgehampton, east hampton, east quogue, fishers island, hampton bays, montauk, quogue, remsenburg-speonk, sagaponak, sag harbor, shelter island, southampton, springs, tuckahoe, wainscott, westhampton beach. With the exception of the two island districts, they can all be consolidated into 5 districts, East, South, West, Bays and Sag Harbor. Overall it would save a small fortune.
Southampton and Tuckahoe need to do a better job with information, most people don't go to the meetings, but it was discussed that they would be cutting several top administrators and some teachers if the merger went through. After getting rid of redundancy, they thought there would be 4 million in savings (as reported by the press). There is no plan to get rid of buildings, as they will likely need them all. " Sep 22, 14 9:59 PM

Chief, do you know ANY of the facts? Tuckahoe will cease to exist. Southampton will decide what happens to the building. It will be ANYTHING BUT business as usual. " Sep 22, 14 10:03 PM

Most of the jobs slated to be cut were at the top, there is no job guarantee there. As far as teacher tenure, the newer teachers would be the first to go, and tenure doesn't prohibit layoffs anyway.
My taxes will supposedly go down about $2000 per year over the course of 10 years. In comparison to the rest of long island, even Tuckahoe has low taxes, it's not big money in the scheme of things, neither is your increase. If it were up to me, I would request that we keep taxes in Tuckahoe as they are and merge, but I'm told that it isn't legal to do that. I am more concerned with my child (and the other kids in Tuckahoe) being able to go to school in their own neighborhood, like everyone else on the east end, and not have them feel like outsiders. These kids are the future of Southampton, and I don't think it's too much to hope that they will be taken care of. It takes a village." Sep 23, 14 12:24 PM

David, Tuckahoe does inquire, they have an investigator that follows people suspected of not living in district. I think its more rumor that the kids don't live in district. The problem is that the town doesn't close the converted motels on north road and the homes that have 10 kids each. Tuckahoe notifies the town, that's all they can do, the school pressures but can't enforce. If they find that a kid lives out of district they are gone. I've seen it happen more than once." Sep 23, 14 10:37 PM

Chief, you know so little about both Tuckahoe and Southampton. When the end all is the dollar, and you are willing to post a non stop stream of nonsense to protect that dollar, it's no longer worth my time." Sep 23, 14 10:42 PM

Tuckahoe cut 20% of their teaching staff in the last 3 years, you would be aware of that if you attended meetings. " Sep 24, 14 5:48 PM

David, Tuckahoe changed their policies last year, requiring more documentation, leases, etc. I also understand that the investigator spends a lot of time trying to verify that the kids actually live in those hotels. I don't know how the owners of those places get away with it, and I know one was closed down last year, but there are still more than one remaining. I think Harald Steudte is leading the drive to verify residency, he ran on that platform and I know the school has been doing more." Sep 24, 14 6:16 PM

Straw Vote: "An unofficial vote taken to obtain an indication of the general trend of opinion on a particular issue." To further clarify what Dodger says above.
A straw vote is needed to see if there is enough interest to pursue a binding vote. It's difficult for a school board to gauge interest based upon a handful of people who post against it on 27east, or the small numbers who attend meetings who have been overwhelmingly in support of a merger. There are some new details and incentives about the merger that make it easier financially on the Southampton taxpayers (yes, one of the incentives is giving SH SD taxpayers back their own money because an administrative building will no longer be needed if there is a merger). The ability to vote is the backbone of this country, and we should all be at a loss as to why a few vocal writers are so upset about giving thousands of voters a voice by pursuing a non-binding STRAW VOTE.
" Sep 26, 14 8:59 AM

Hampton Bays Residents Blast Board, Again, Over Illegal Housing

The solution locally isn't to tax families by the kid, nor is it to raise taxes on the wealthy. If they live here, there's nothing the schools themselves can do, there are laws that say they must educate the kids. Overcrowded homes and hotels rented for long term use violate zoning laws. The solution is for the town to just do the job they are supposed to do. I don't understand why it is so difficult." Sep 29, 14 7:29 PM

Community Forum On Extended Day Learning Grant Scheduled For Wednesday At Southampton High School

The best way to add time to the school year is by eliminating some of the vacations and holidays, and perhaps shortening the summer break. These constant breaks in school take away from learning and retention. It also seems that the week or two before summer break and a few days before each vacation break, learning stops, there's more of a party atmosphere in school. We don't need a full two weeks for Christmas, a week for "presidents week" AND a week for Easter. If a child wants to celebrate Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday parents can keep the kids home as an excused absence, I'll bet 98% show up at school, they're not federal holidays and most parents have to work. We also don't need three days off for Thanksgiving (5 including the weekend). We do need more than 180 days of learning, but we don't need longer days, especially with the overwhelming homework load the kids come home with these days." Sep 29, 14 8:22 PM

Yes Nature. I absolutely would have benefitted by more time in school. We are in a global economy and we are falling behind." Sep 29, 14 10:41 PM

Extending the year makes so much more sense, " Sep 30, 14 10:01 PM

Southampton Rejects Proposal, And State Grant,To Extend School Day After Parents Express Concerns

I have to agree with you here chief. Poland spring, there is flexibility as far as how it's done, it doesn't have to be the same across the board, it can be age appropriate, perhaps a half an hour longer in the early grades. It would be a really great thing to keep 6th and 7th graders in school more, at an age where their hormones and poor judgment seem to come to the forefront and they think their friends know more than their parents! Learning is a much better use of their time than what most of them do after school. The real issue is the teacher's contracts, they will demand hefty raises in exchange for the extra hours." Oct 3, 14 10:27 PM

So many people complain that the school district isn't any good. I don't agree, I think any school is only as good as the educational support the kids get from their families at home. If a kid wants and can handle higher level learning in high school, it's available. The fact that so few people take advantage of it is astounding. But because there is a huge lack of parental involvement in many of our east end schools, a longer school day for the majority of the kids would be beneficial, with the school again doing the work that many parents don't have the time or interest for. The parents that go to the meetings are involved, but there are so, so many who aren't. Those kids would benefit greatly from ELT." Oct 3, 14 10:39 PM

April, I've heard you at the meetings and on these boards. As a parent, I have to wonder why you would keep your child in a school that you clearly despise." Oct 3, 14 10:41 PM

Hampton Bays Residents Blast Board, Again, Over Illegal Housing

I'm not sure where you got that from...the solution is for the town to do the job they are supposed to do, which is enforce our laws on overcrowded homes!" Oct 3, 14 10:50 PM

Southampton Rejects Proposal, And State Grant,To Extend School Day After Parents Express Concerns

I don't really care what the definition is, their scores and progress in the high school clearly indicate that the majority of the kids either need more parental involvement or more time in the classroom. The district can't force the parental involvement, but realize that the kids need more time in the classroom." Oct 3, 14 11:24 PM

April, I just went to their website and not only does Southampton clearly NOT meet their criteria for having Extended Learning Time, there is a database that lists schools that do meet the criteria and Southampton is not on that list. I did find the following on their website:
"Not only does more time allow for longer class periods in which students can examine topics in greater depth, but expanded-time schools are also able to set aside whole periods each day to focus on small-group instruction to address and overcome student learning deficits. More time also helps to ensure the inclusion of the critical classes that too often have been scaled back, such as science, social studies, and foreign languages"" Oct 3, 14 11:52 PM

There is the option of extending the school year as well. Look at this year's calendar. Between Dec 20th and April 11th school is closed for more than a month (2 weeks for Christmas, a week+ for Spring Recess and a week for Mid Winter Recess). That's a full month off in less than 4 months. During those breaks, most kids are home, many parents are working, it's completely unproductive time, plus these big breaks in learning set the kids back. It's also feasible to keep them in school a week or two longer at the beginning and the end of the year, give the elementary students an extra half hour and the middle school another hour. It doesn't need to be a 10 hour day. There are other creative ways to improve and increase learning time. Your child may not need the extra time, you seem pretty hands on, but most children will benefit, and it's the schools responsibility to do what benefits most. Elementary and Middle School are only 9 years of their life, but set the stage for the next 50." Oct 4, 14 10:19 AM

That's pretty funny, I'm not a fan of common core either, but most parents don't like it because its too challenging! " Oct 5, 14 12:24 PM

I have a better idea Chief, parent reform. I can't say that I'm thrilled with all teachers, but most are good and do their job. Despite spending the same or more hours in the classroom than other top countries, despite all the money we throw at the schools, our children are trailing behind other countries. Before international students take even more of our top college seats, perhaps it's time to stop blaming the schools. The children with parents who are involved in their education are doing far better than those who aren't. That's the main reasons that parochial school students fare so well on far less money." Oct 7, 14 9:33 AM

Tuckahoe School Superintendent To Leave District In December

April, there will no longer be two districts that need to cooperate, there will only be Southampton." Oct 22, 14 2:29 PM

Shinnecock Tribe Member Angered Over Beach Parking Fees

The fee is for the parking lot. Anyone can walk on for free. If you don't want to pay the parking fee you can park in the village lot and take the Hamptons Free Ride to Coopers." Oct 27, 14 9:56 PM

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