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If Blinking Light Program Is Successful, County Road 39 Could Get A New Underpass Instead Of Light

dnice you are 1000% correct. You could see this coming from a mile away from the previous SP article about this "great idea". So let me get this straight (pun intended), we are going to change a very logical and long established road system/traffic pattern with this Rube Goldberg "better idea" configuration in order to save a guesstimated 10 mins of reduced travel time for a 2 hour period of time in the morning for 6 months of the year. So let's start with some questions. Who is paying for this alteration? These are local roads not county roads so I am assume the town pays for it. How much is it going cost? What kind of traffic nightmare is going to be caused by constructing an underpass across CR 39? Is the RR intersection going to be an overpass or underpass? Are you going to take N. Rd. back to Tuckahoe Rd. south of the RR or is Bahn Rd. going to take you through the round about college roads (Google Earth the college roads)? There are reasons for lights. They allow coordinated access to roads. This configuration guarantees backups for vehicles trying to enter CR 39 eastbound in the morning and CR 39 westbound at night. These entrances do not look like highway merges that allow vehicles to get up to speed before entering CR 39. You are just creating another Shurbland Rd. nightmare. In the evening, it backs up all the way to Cold Spring Pond. I especially like the hairpin corner on the westbound entrance. It should be great for construction vehicles with trailers and tractor trailers. How does this whole idea obviously not benefit the Shinnecock Golf Course the most? Next stop Sebonic Rd is going to have to be rerouted. It cuts through National's golf course." Apr 20, 16 7:50 PM

People, people, people, IMO most of you are falling for Jay's classic magician's trick of misdirection by thinking the REAL purpose of this project is to reduce traffic/travel time. It has NOTHING to do traffic. It is ALL about Shinnecock Golf Course wanting to get rid of the section of the public Tuckahoe Road that goes through it. How is removing one light going to reduce traffic? It doesn't make sense. The traffic just backs up at the next light." Apr 22, 16 9:53 AM

And that is why Trump AND Bernie are doing so well. The masses (Democrat and Republican) are fed up with the establishment politicians. Jay and ALL elected officials would be wise to take note of this." Apr 22, 16 4:49 PM

I understand 27dan, but do you think this proposal is going to do anything to help the problem. Unfortunately, the South Fork is it's own island created by the Shinnecock Canal. There are three ways on to the South Fork east of Hampton Bays, Sunrise highway (2 lanes each way), Montauk highway (1 lane each way), and the LIRR. If you ready want to go crazy there are the Shelter Island ferries. That's it, period. The biggest immediate gain would be if you allowed left hand turns again on Shurbland Road. This would allow Sag Harbor/East Hampton bound traffic to use Noyac road, but you are going to be sending A LOT of traffic through residential neighborhoods which is not desirable. The most underutilized path is the LIRR. IMO that is the only way to make a dent in this problem. Unfortunately this option is heavily Albany centric/unionized which makes any of the possible solutions unlikely/costly. If you can get over the LIRR hurtle, you would have to create Southampton, Bridgehampton, East Hampton, Montauk shuttles to high volume employers, i.e. town employees, schools, etc." Apr 23, 16 9:18 AM

UPDATE: Schneiderman Unveils More Details About Proposal To Reroute Tuckahoe Road

Don't even think about this. This is a PUBLIC road and has been a public road since the golf course was created. How does making it private, help the public? Remember Jay we locals vote." Jun 15, 16 7:17 PM

Second Tuckahoe School Budget Proposal Fails To Muster Enough Voter Support

They can't sell the house property because they started to tear it apart to the tune of ~$30,000 tax payer's money before the voter's turned down making it into a residence for the superintendent. So now there are only exposed 2x4 studs. Feel free to verify this by looking through the windows. " Jun 21, 16 10:38 PM

Let's pay ~$200,000 to a new superintendent who shows up to work a couple of months, has a legal issue, gets ~$100,000 to walk away and the school board wants to pierce the tax cap. NOT!!!!!! I'm glad to see that some voter sanity still exists. " Jun 21, 16 10:46 PM

Rickenbacker, The problem was when the Southampton school district voters rejected "the merger" they didn't incur any pain. Tuckahoe still sent all its high school students to Southampton. In fact they actually were rewarded because Tuckahoe is now contractually bound to send ALL its students to Southampton for the next five years. When Southampton turned down "the merger", Tuckahoe should have sent all its students to Westhampton. If Southampton lost ~100 premium paying students their budgets/programs would have been severely impacted. Then and only then would you have any chance of getting the Southampton voters to approve "the merger". Unfortunately in the short term, you are putting the children in the middle of negotiations, but Tuckahoe isn't viable by itself so it is the right decision long term." Jun 22, 16 5:56 PM

That is the problem. Southampton is living off the fat of Tuckahoe. As long as Tuckahoe allows it to continue nothing will change." Jun 22, 16 8:39 PM

Suffolk County Planning Commission Deems Tuckahoe Center Application Incomplete

Yes, it is nice to preserve land and there is a ton of money in the CPF, but there is a problem. If the town buys it, it is removed from the tax rolls and the Tuckahoe school district can not afford any more loss of it's tax base. There are already four golf courses that pay very little property tax(based on the amount of land they occupy) and the college is part of SUNY so little or no tax there. I'm not for or against the project. There are good and bad things about it. The biggest advantage would be the extra tax base for Tuckahoe, but the traffic impact would be a BIG, BIG, BIG disadvantage." Oct 10, 16 6:22 PM

Southampton Town Considering Buying Part Of Tuckahoe Center Property With CPF

Great, take more property off the tax roles in the Tuckahoe school district. It already has 4 golf courses and the Stony Brook campus that don't contribute their fair share to the district and just for laughs add the Sandy Hollow affordable housing proposal to the mix. How much is a school district supposed to take! I don't know if I agreed with the shopping center proposal, but at least it would have provided a couple of hundred thousand dollars of revenue to the Tuckahoe school each year!" Oct 12, 17 7:20 PM

UPDATE: Police Offer No Leads In Thursday's County Road 39 Fatality

I get it Non-Political you like to bike. Good for you. Just for laughs I looked at your "South Fork Alternative Transportation Initiative". Wow! I understand that it would be your Bike-topia, but really, FERRIES. Ferries from the canal to HB ocean beaches, a ferry across the Shinnecock Inlet, and just for laughs a third ferry across of all bodies of water, Cold Spring Pond (Do you know how shallow your drop off point is? This plan doesn't help traffic at all. First, it starts at the Shinnecock Canal. How do you get there, hot air balloon, jet pack, transporter? Are you supposed to take a bike ferry to the HB side of dune road then take another ferry over to the SH side of dune road? The 1% are already complaining about too many people on "THEIR" beaches now you are going to congest "THEIR" roads. Good luck with that. The only biking option is along 27A and guess what, if you take even half of the single occupant cars and put them on E-bikes on 27A what are you going to have? Bike traffic! Also it's nice to try to use a tragedy and everyone's pain of being stuck in traffic to push your Bike-topia agenda. As Rahm Emanuel says "You never let a serious crisis go to waste..."." Apr 5, 18 9:30 AM

Ok, I looked at the "Master Plan". The first thing I noticed was "Transportation - March, 1999". Wow! Almost 20 YEARS since it was published and how much of it has been implemented? Have you seen the shape of the roads this spring? If you think there is ANY money for cantilevered bike paths across the Shinnecock Canal I want some of what you are smoking. But hey, this is America you are free to create a company, charge what ever you want and create YOUR Bike-topia with YOUR money, not everyone else's." Apr 5, 18 10:11 AM

Tempers Flare Over Rose Hill Road Deal Between Southampton Town Trustees And Water Mill Homeowner

I never realized that the town had a public ramp on Mecox. At first I was "on the fence" over the deal, that was until I saw what the town property looked liked before the agreement. If case anyone wants to see a before picture here is a link to a pic from 2016.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgi6nCdAyh3eyh9ta

According to the original 27East article on this issue it was stated "also allowing the homeowner to move a line of trees down the middle of his property to the middle of the Trustees’ property". As my eye balls see it, the homeowner's trees were originally "on" the property line, NOT "down the middle of his property". More importantly they moved the trees AS FAR OVER AS POSSIBLE, leaving only one of the original access roads available. This by my rough calculations is over 80% of the width of the Trustees property, NOT THE AGREED UPON 50%. Using 27Easts photo, I overlayed lines to denote the property lines, midpoint line, and the actual line taken by the home owner. FYI since Google Earth was used for all the measurements they are approximate. I didn't know what lens was used, the viewing angle, etc., etc., etc., but the eyeballs know what 50% is and that isn't it.

Here is the pic with the lines superimposed.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgi8xm8xvFdSH22l-

" Apr 26, 18 3:17 PM

Forgot to ask.

Has anyone submitted a FOIL request to the Trustees for the agreement? It would be nice to see exactly what is in it. It would be nice to see if it covers what happens if the homeowner doesn't do the agreed upon items, or it the propery is sold. If the trustees didn't have the money to maintain the existing property, where are they going to get the money to remove the circular driveway and move the trees back. 27East, sounds like something a good community newspaper would do. " Apr 26, 18 3:28 PM

Forgot to thank the Halsey family for their very generous gift to the people of Southampton. Thank you very much.

So the land was deeded to the Trustees on 12/11/17 and they pass this agreement on 1/17/18. WOW! They barely waited a single month. If the Trustees were worried about the maintenance why did they accept the property?" Apr 27, 18 9:51 AM

SlimeAlive - The property was given to the town (don't know when). The town gave the land to the Trustees in Dec. 17 in exchange for Trustee owned land in Riverside for the new traffic circle.
Rem1618 - FOIL - Freedom of Information Law/Request. 27East already did it and included on the webpage. Thanks 27East.

Wow. Ok 27East time for some corrections. This encroachment is nothing like what was stated in your original article which stated "allowing the homeowner to move a line of trees down the middle of his property to the middle of the Trustees’ property". According to Schedule C in the agreement, it is one convoluted carve out to the total benefit of the homeowner. It starts out in the approx. middle (~47 ft.) but then balloons out to over 65 ft. The little slice of Trustee property that is left by Rose Hill Rd is useless. Is this what Mr Warner thinks will "improve the property into more of a park-like setting for people to enjoy". Ha! If I were the Trustees, I would put several picnic tables there just so everyone knows that it is public park land.

Here is the encroachment outline, per Schedule C in the agreement. FYI, It is not to surveyor's standards (some of the arc lengths may be off by a couple inches), but is more than close enough to get the general idea.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjFcz0EVro__0vPr

Also, I don't believe Mr Warner's statement "that the Trustees could back out of the deal with Mr. Frankel at anytime" is correct. The way I read the agreement is that it can only be canceled after the 15 year term or for cause.



" Apr 27, 18 6:27 PM

Agreed and it was voted in unanimously. I almost wish that there were some underhanded dealings, because the alternative is that the board is clueless.

I think they need a name change. Remove the Trust and we has a Board of Ees; add a Y and remove a E and we have the Board of Yes; and then there is always the good out standby the Board of Lemmings. " Apr 28, 18 10:23 AM

Section I of the agreement mentions a "Boundary Line Agreement dated June 7, 2011". Does anyone know what's in it?

Did the board ever see a site plan of the encroachment? While the descriptions of the properties involved in the agreement are described perfectly in a legal sense, they don't provide an intuitive, i.e. visual, depiction. Someone told 27East "the homeowner to move a line of trees down the middle of his property to the middle of the Trustees’ property". Whoever said this to 27East is grossly misrepresenting the encroachment. Did the board members rely on this description and we just got "Group Think" on steroids?

If anyone cares, I created one more diagram showing the encroachment overlaid on the park property so you can get more complete picture.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjNliocynQRdZZH5

Full disclosure. Per schedule C, the stated area of the encroachment is .146 acres. The area of my representation is .0.14788 acres, so it is 75.2 sq. ft. larger than the actual encroachment. " Apr 28, 18 11:14 AM

Fortunately it is not a transfer of land only a transfer of use. It makes it slightly better, but not by much. There is a little sliver of public land between the road and of bubble of the circular driveway. As per the agreement, the homeowner put down nice thick sodded grass. My thinking is that the community organizes a weekly weekend tail gating barbecue. We get a couple of F350 duallys and picnic tables, maybe a live DJ, a little volley ball or bocce ball or someone said that Water Mill needed a dog park. It's not big, but it could be "a small dog only" park." Apr 29, 18 8:41 PM

Have the Trustees stated or does anyone know what the estimated yearly maintenance cost for the park would be. It would be nice to know what the Quid for the quo was. What is the extent of the "dredging" required? The agreement states only "so that the bottom of the boat ramp is kept in a condition that is deep enough to allow boats to launch from a trailer". That is vague enough to drive a truck though. How about using a specific depth. Are we taking about a 16' Jon boat on a roller trailer or a 25' deep vee boat on a trailer with bunks? This doesn't sound like they have to bring in a real dredge or that Hayground cove is being dredged for navigation purposes. I don't know the depth of the cove, but if they say the ramp shoals up, I would imagine that the cove also does. Are they just bringing in a pay-loader twice a year and running it down the ramp to scoop up some sand, put it in a dump truck, and drop it off at the end of Rose Hill Rd. If so, that sounds like a very little Quid for a lot of Quo. After all the homeowner is getting use of the land TAX FREE. " Apr 29, 18 9:07 PM

In case anyone is interested, here is the Boundary Line Agreement, from June 2011, that was referred to the most recent agreement.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjQEZf0KdKHU05_R

It was between the previous homeowner and the Town of Southampton. Among other things, it denotes the homeowner's encroachment onto the town's land. Per item 2, ". ZARO hereby acknowledges that the hedge, block apron and columns and any improvements within the area as shown on the aforesaid survey do, in fact, extend onto the TOWN property to the extent indicated on the survey.".

That the town agreed to allow the encroachment. Per Item 5, ". The TOWN hereby grants ZARO, their heirs, successors and assigns a license .¬over the portion of the TOWN property running parallel and immediately north of the common boundary line for the purpose of maintaining the block apron, two columns, hedge, and other improvements (the "Improvements") shown on the aforesaid survey..."

The Town did get some concessions. The homeowner had to remove "...the stockade fence, wire fence and keypad located on the TOWN property..." and "...ZARO, at their own cost and expense, repaved the existing access driveway on the TOWN property...".

" Apr 30, 18 6:25 PM

Are the Trustees going to do a final land survey now that the work is done? If not, I think that they should. According to my calculations (see links in my previous posts) there should be ~33 ft. between the park's northern property line and the most northern portion of the circular driveway. After visiting the park, the good old tape measure says the actual number is ~24 ft. It IS ~33 ft. to the cobble stone part of the driveway, but there is a row of Evergreens to the north of the circular driveway cobble stones, which is 8-10 ft. wide. Feel free to go out there with a tape measure and see for your self.

Here is a pic of what I am talking about.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjXOAOh7Up9U729a

There is also an Evergreen barrier PLUS a rock border on the eastern side of the circular driveway. See the following pics.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjhxLJduujQx_Sqk
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjaIXdGUVv4GNFOV
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjc29wkxYv9Qhw9Y

Are all the Evergreens and the rock barrier on Trustee land? If I had to bet, I would say YES!. I believe that circular driveway fills the total agreed upon encroachment and all or most of the Evergreen privacy barrier is on Trustee land. I think that the Trustees REALLY HAVE to do a final site land survey.

Remember, per the Boundary Line Agreement of 6/11, the previous owners acknowledged they put some of their hedge on town land, then the town had to live with it because it was preexisting. If the Evergreen/hedge privacy barrier is on park land and they don't do anything about it, what happens? Several years "down the line" are the homeowners then going to negotiate a new Boundary Line Agreement that gives them the right to keep this chunk of park land?

I can't make the Trustee meeting this Monday, Unfortunately, 1 AM doesn't work for a lot of people. I would appreciate it someone would pose these questions to the board. Feel free to use any of my pictures or diagrams.
" May 2, 18 7:43 PM

Trustees Defend Agreement, Maintain Rose Hill Road Property Deal Was To Create More Access

Just noticed that 27East posted a new article on this issue which shows what the park looks like now.

Mr Horowitz I'm encouraged by your "one inch" comment. How are you going to know if the homeowner is encroaching? Are the Trustees going to do a final land survey now that the work is done? If not, I think that they should. According to my calculations (see links in my previous posts) there should be ~33 ft. between the park's northern property line and the most northern portion of the circular driveway. After visiting the park, the good old tape measure says the actual number is ~24 ft. It IS ~33 ft. to the cobble stone part of the driveway, but there is a row of Evergreens to the north of the circular driveway cobble stones, which is 8-10 ft. wide. Feel free to go out there with a tape measure and see for your self.

Here is a pic of what I am talking about.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjXOAOh7Up9U729a

There is also the Evergreen barrier PLUS a rock border on the eastern side of the circular driveway.

Are all the Evergreens and the rock barrier on Trustee land? If I had to bet, I would say YES!. I believe that circular driveway fills the total agreed upon encroachment and all or most of the Evergreen privacy barrier is on Trustee land. I think that the Trustees REALLY HAVE to do a final site land survey.

Here is what I believe the current park/encroached land look like.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjnlVpERJNatMUEr

Remember, per the Boundary Line Agreement of 6/11, the previous owners acknowledged they put some of their hedge on town land, then the town had to live with it because it was preexisting. If the Evergreen/hedge privacy barrier is on park land and they don't do anything about it, what happens? Several years "down the line" are the homeowners then going to negotiate a new Boundary Line Agreement that gives them the right to keep this chunk of park land?

I can't make the Trustee meeting this Monday, Unfortunately, 1 AM doesn't work for a lot of people. I would appreciate it someone would pose these questions to the board. Feel free to use any of my pictures or diagrams.
" May 3, 18 7:36 AM

Draggerman. What's up with all the blank lines?" May 3, 18 7:45 AM

LOL! Like your thinking. There's no driveway gate right now, but I can guarantee you there will be one in the very near future; however, as a stated in a previous post, there is a little sliver of public land between the road and of bubble of the circular driveway. As per the agreement, the homeowner put down nice thick sodded grass. My thinking is that the community organizes a weekly weekend tail gating barbecue. We get a couple of F350 duallys and picnic tables, maybe a live DJ, a little volley ball or bocce ball or someone said that Water Mill needed a dog park. It's not big, but it could be "a small dog only" park." May 4, 18 11:00 AM

Did some more measuring and believe that the unagreed upon encroachment by the homeowner is worse then I originally thought. I believe that the driveway's cobble stone outline defines the agreed upon encroachment and everything or almost everything on the other side (north side) of the cobble stones is Trustee land. If this is true then all the deer fencing by the hedges, grass on the south side of the fencing, PVC control box, watering system, etc. is on Trustee, i.e. public, land. All of these aforementioned items should be contained within the agreed upon encroachment. If the homeowner wanted/needed more room, they had their opportunity to request it before the agreement was signed. If they didn't it's their problem. In order to reassure the public the the Trustees are good stewards of the public lands, I REALLY believe that the Trustees have to do a final land survey AND make it public.

Again, I can't make the meeting tomorrow so PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE will someone that can attend bring this up with the Trustees.

Unfortunately this is only the start of the wars over our public lands. The "Big One", Tuckahoe Road and the Shinnecock Golf Course, is still coming." May 6, 18 3:47 PM

Last posting before the meeting. Hopefully a picture is worth a thousand words. Red area shows what I believe is the unagreed upon encroached area.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtgjpQc-rlV74k6WMp
" May 6, 18 6:49 PM

Cops Called To Help Maintain Order At Southampton Town Trustees Meeting

Can you post a link. Looked for it but couldn't find it." May 9, 18 10:33 AM

Former Trustee Tells Southampton Town Trustees To Change Leadership Roles

The board and more importantly Tim Maran have acknowledged that it is know that the homeowner is over encroaching. As I have stated previously almost all, if not all, of the hedge and tree privacy barrier is on trustee land. This over encroachment is ~1432 sq. ft. or an 20-25% over encroachment of what was agreed upon. The board is supposed to present a "modified" site plan at the June 18th meeting. At the VERY least, the homeowner should be forced to stay within the agreed upon encroachment. This is the "low hanging fruit". Getting the whole park back is going to be a much longer/expensive process and unless either of the two lawyers (Tim's or the homeowner's to the north) can void the agreement on a legal basis I think we are stuck with the deal for the next 15 years. It's time to see if Google Calendar will allow you to set an event 14 years out. Fourteen years because the homeowner needs 6 months notice that the deal is not being renewed." May 22, 18 7:31 PM

UPDATE: Southampton Village And Town Police Work Together On Traffic Signal Modifications

FAIL EPIC EPIC EPIC FAIL. 40 minutes from Shinnecock Hills to the village at 9:40 this morning. You can't get to CR 39 because there is no right turn from Hills Station Rd to CR 39 (didn't see that in the road closures) or any of the other north south roads (Tuckahoe Road closed, St Andrews Rd closed. By the time you make it to Tuckahoe Lane the easterly traffic has eased. 8:30 PM west bound CR 39, Montauk Highway bumper to bumper, Shrubland Drive backed up to Cold Spring Pond. This is day one. Only practice rounds. What is Thur - Sun going to be like?" Jun 11, 18 9:34 PM

Southampton Town Officials Seek Opinion From State On Legality Of Trustees' Rose Hill Road Deal

PBR what new article are you referring to?" Jun 27, 18 12:02 PM

UPDATE: Town Officials Respond To Shinnecock Plan For Billboards On Sunrise Highway In Hampton Bays

Westwoods is north and south of Newtown Rd so some of it may abut the north side of Sunrise highway, but you are 100% correct about it not being reservation (sovereign) land. The only thing that I can think of is that some of the Westwoods land was taken (assuming eminent domain in which the Tribe should have been paid fair market value) when Sunrise was build. Like Old Riverhead Road was dissected into Old Riverhead Road and Old Riverhead Road East when Sunrise was put in. If this is the case, using the Tribe's logic, why no tjust put in a toll booth across Sunrise and charge everyone $10. Everyone on 27East are always asking or one and on the plus side it would help out our Native American neighbors.

Cheek insert tongue. " Apr 26, 19 5:30 PM

So are they also responsible for cutting off all the branches off but leaving the trunks still standing of the three trees in the median?" Apr 26, 19 6:27 PM

Well guess the town"s arguments weren't compelling. BILLBOARD support posts (2 feet wide by 60 feet tall) being installed as I post." Apr 30, 19 10:20 AM

Great STOP WORK order. Another Rose Hill Road Park fiasco. Get the work done before the town can react and then drag it out in court. The only losers are the people of Southampton.

Here are some new pics,

The Post - https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth1mXSKrDVUhQ5E7l
Installing the post - https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth1q5s9l0YSULX3VG
Post installed - https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth1v5PXDOUiWo4BpC

Augmented pic of what it may look like
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth14oEhMt2UtJRDNv

FYI: Ultra-Lum is the business installing the signs. Got the sign pic from their website.

Southampton Town Board better wake up. There is NO relationship with the Tribe. Indian remains found and the nation wants the town to buy and preserve the land with CPF funds.and they do spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, and in return the town gets a big middle finger.

" Apr 30, 19 4:01 PM

FYI 27East added a third image to the article that shows what the billboard will look like, So we now know a "Monument" is just a vertical BILLBOARD. It's just a bigger target to hit if someone accidentally runs off the road. Thank you 27East; for the image; however, there is verbiage on the side of the image that you can't make out. It would have been nice if you posted a larger image or just post the text. What you can make out says "Double Sided Display". Is this the case? It wouldn't seem to make any sense.

Also in the article you quote the Town letter as using the word "memorials" where as the article quotes Mr. Troyd as saying "monuments". Is this a misquote in the article or the Town letter? It would be nice if you also included a copy of the Town letter in the article." May 1, 19 8:35 AM

According to CBS news

Shinnecock trustees later replied to CBS2’s request for comment, saying in a statement “our community has suffered greatly over the last several decades due to a lack of resources. Now, we have the opportunity to generate revenue and have access to the same standard of living as our much wealthier neighbors.”

Town officials said tribal leaders told them at a recent meeting they are not asking for permission. They just wanted to let the town know they are proceeding.

In case anyone is interested this is the verbiage on the left hand side of 27East's image of the sign.

I guess it IS going to be double sided.

Twice the light pollution none of the fun.

Double Sided Display

30' x 20' LED displays in center

Top Cabinet to have tan textured 6' deep cabinet
perforated aluminum faces for ventilation
Perf material painted tan
Cabinet sides to be solid aluminum.

13' diameter emblem to be 10" deep with black
aluminum constructed sides.
Internally illuminated with white LED's.
Flex face vinyl with digitally printed graphics.

Lower section below LED board to have tan
painted perforated aluminum faces for
ventilation.
Cabinet sides to be of solid aluminum.

ICONIC identification to be illuminated
pan channel letters with internal LED lighting
12" tall x 97" long overall.

6" tall horizontal reveals between sections to be
white.

Stone base to have 3" x 3" steel angle iron frame
with 1/2" cement board attached.
River rock stone veneer to be applied to
field after base structure is in place
8' tall x 22' wide x 7' deep

Time and temp units to be approx 18" x 36".

6" square steep tube guard raid 3' tall.
With 3' square steel horizontal braces.

Welcome to Las Hamptons.

" May 1, 19 8:06 PM

They are not installing the signs on the Indian owned Westwoods property. They are installing the signs on the Sunrise Highway easement (They are between the Sunrise fences). This was originally part of the Westwoods property before Sunrise Highway existed, but when the highway was build NYS acquired the land. The base of the sign is going to be 22' wide x 8' high x 7' deep. If the support post is in the middle of the sign, it means the sign base will extend 10' on either side of the post. This means that the sign base will end right around the shoulder of the highway. This would be a major safety hazard. I sure NYS DOT has thousands of regulations for signage along highways. I can't see a 8' high x 22' wide river stone covered wall meeting any of them. Also what happens if we get hit with a hurricane. There is nothing better then a 60' sign toppled across the main highway after a hurricane." May 2, 19 8:43 AM

So are the Dust Bunnies under my bed!" May 2, 19 1:57 PM

State Remains Silent On Determination Over Shinnecock Nation Billboard Work On Sunrise

Saw DOT trucks with surveying equipment out there is morning. Glad to see the DOT working at their normal glacial speed. Unfortunately, it looks like they are finished welding the mounting plates on the top of the support posts, so we are probably only a days worth of work before the signs (minus the base skirts) are erected. " May 8, 19 6:27 PM

This is a bit off topic, but since we are talking tolls which automatically leads to surveillance, does anyone know who installed the license plate readers and CCTV cameras at the beginning of Hill Street in Southampton Village? They are installed, east bound, on the telephone pole with the electronic speed limit sign and also on the pole, west bound, in front of the old antique store. There is even a dedicated CCTV pointed directly at East Gate Road to the reservation. Assuming this is SVPD, but I guess it could be SHPD or even NYSPD. What are they being used for? Is for video evidence in case someone tries to make it to the safety of home? They have been installed for 5-6 months and I haven't seen anything in the press. How about it 27East? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in who is surveilling them." May 10, 19 9:55 AM

Shinnecock Nation Leaders Say Signs On Sunrise Are Essential To Tribe's Economic Well-Being

Ok ,today was one of the first non-rainy weekdays since the billboard posts have been finished, but the signs have not yet been installed. Why not? You have to assume that the tribe would want to install them as quick as possible, right? One of the 27East articles talked about concrete footers being installed. If this is the case, they may be waiting for the concrete to reach optimal hardness which is ~28 days. IF, this is the case it gives NYS some time to get its *ss in gear.. Hopefully this is the case. if this assumption is correct, it have the billboards being installed the week of 5/26. Tick Tock, Tick Tock, NYS!" May 14, 19 7:40 PM

UPDATE: Tribal Council Chairman Will Not Attend Civic Association Meeting Monday Night Due To Community Protest

Hey, hey, hey. It looks like the winds might be changing! Just passed the posts and noticed that NYS' finest were talking to the contractors that were looking to work on the sign posts. Maybe NYS is FINALLY taking notice!

There is a pic of it taking place.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth261t4t4Kby1rMlE

" May 17, 19 10:53 AM

Shinnecock Billboard Work Continues As State Still Reviewing Whether It Has The Right To Stop Them

Hey, hey, hey. It looks like the winds might be changing! Just passed the posts and noticed that NYS' finest were talking to the contractors that were looking to work on the sign posts. Maybe NYS is FINALLY taking notice!

There is a pic of it taking place.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth261t4t4Kby1rMlE

" May 17, 19 10:54 AM

UPDATE: Shinnecock Tribe Continues Billboard Work As Lawsuit With State Looms

Agreed. Unfortunately it is the "the people" that suffer the consequences for bad leadership. It not just an Indian issue. Look at the Rose Hill Road Park fiasco. That involves the Southampton Trustees allowing a millionaire neighbor to take over almost half of the park. It's now tied up in court for the next 5-10yrs.

With the billboards the "blow back" is going to hurt tribal members the most. It is causing a lot of local resentment towards the tribe, especially if you are familiar with the status of the Westwoods property. It has been determined to not be sovereign tribal land before and if forced to go through the courts again there is nothing to suggest that the outcome will be any different. I say no more CPF money to buy land for the tribe unless tribal leadership is changed.

The company installing the billboards is spending a reported 3.5M on these signs. If they are not being installed they are out a "boat load" of money. What are they going to do, just say "don't worry we understand"? I don't think so. You are doing to sue the Tribe saying they misrepresented the ownership of the land, so we want our 3.5M plus lost future revenue on the deal! Again who suffers, "the people". Now there is even less money for the tribe because lawyers have to be hired, etc., etc. ALL BECAUSE OF STUPID DECISIONS BY LEADERSHIP! " May 19, 19 10:52 AM

I agree. You would think so. If they didn't, then tough on them. If they did, but didn't find the previous property issues, fire the in house counsel/legal department. Still tough on the company. If they found issues/questions with property, did Tribal leadership make any assurances or guarantees. From the outside looking in, it sure appears that Tribal Leadership is 1000% positive that Westwoods is sovereign Tribal land. We don't know what is in the contract. If this is the case the Tribe is screwed. I hope you are right. That is, the company knew and accepted the risks going into this. " May 19, 19 2:54 PM

i guess NYS is going to have to rename its "Stop Work Order" and their "Cease and Desist Letter" to a "Stop Work Suggestion" and a "Please Persist Letter"." May 21, 19 6:21 PM

First Of Two Shinnecock Billboards Nears Completion

I can guarantee you, you will NOT be alone. We need to start a Facebook,Twitter and/or Instagram account so people can post and keep track on the sign advertisers. Also BOYCOTT ALL the reservation businesses!" May 23, 19 6:34 PM

Just passed the billboards and they were not operational. Did NYS finally read Idon Media the riot act? Did someone cut the power? Sabotage or PSEG? " May 25, 19 7:01 PM

Startup Gremlins, New Dark Skies policy, Run out of ads already? " May 25, 19 7:22 PM

I believe the current stone veneer is just a temporary vinyl wrap in order for it to look more finished than just concrete board. The finished base is supposed to be cut rounded river rock with a illuminated ICONIC sign and time & temp. displays. We were promised time and temp. If NOT, then we have been baited and switched. That would be a deal breaker for me!" May 27, 19 7:48 AM

Billboards are still Off. - Day 2 . Have Iconic Media and/or Ultra-Lum finally gotten the message from NYS.

Waiting for the Shinnecock Nation spin on this new development. Probably smething like, they "heard" the opposition to the Monuments from the local community and voluntarily turned off the advertising in order to reach a better agreement with the community.

With the seal on top and no advertising they are starting to look like actual monuments. If it wasn't for the precedent, the safety issue, and the fall zone issue, I might not have a problem with them." May 27, 19 10:26 AM

No matter how you do it. it's ALL about keeping those little electrons excited!" May 28, 19 8:57 AM

Shinnecock Urges State Supreme Court To Dismiss Lawsuit Over Billboards

It was only a matter of time. The trees which are NOT on Indian land block the motorists from seeing the billboards until you are almost on top of them. The Nation's solution to this is just cut the trees back. It doesn't matter where the trees are located. Luckily someone called the PoPo and ti looked like some people were invited to appear before the SH courts. Unfortunately they were able to hack back a good portion of a tree before they were stopped.

Here are some pics...

From the West Bound side

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtiBD3CireAZN5V3_c?e=QTCib4

From the East Bound Side

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtiA7Zsp3boSjGZvmi?e=18V0nq

And a GIF of the PoPo handing out their GIFTS over the incident.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwtiA9w8DArfqKLyRzZ?e=4PCQ25



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