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Developer Files Pre-Application For 137-Unit Subdivision In East Quogue, Backup Plan To 'Hills'

I didn't offer a position, Joe. I'm just questioning the assumed absolutes on this, ie. PDD = environmental protections vs. As of Right = limited protections. I don't think the absolutes are applicable here.
If the answer is spite, then DLC shouldn't be allowed to develop doghouses in SH town.
If the answer is economics, then all sides have room to talk." Nov 13, 17 12:53 PM

I'm a small business owner. Again, the point being we are presented with absolutes, and I don't buy the idea of environmental protections being exclusive to only one model, regardless of how you may feel about the Hills pdd application.
So far the answers have been "spite" and "the point of business is to make money." " Nov 13, 17 1:31 PM

I didn't say the town would impose those requirements. So let's look at it 2 ways assuming the pdd is denied:
DLC builds 130 homes with traditional septic using the minimum environmental standards.
DLC builds 130 homes using advanced sewage treatment to reduce nitrogen loading.
As a buyer who has researched the area, which is more appealing? To your point, what are you willing to pay to preserve the environment and your investment?" Nov 13, 17 1:55 PM

So in this case DLC's concern for the environment goes as far as their profit margin. Any as of right model would have to go through planning. That would be a good place to ask nicely.
Thanks for the debate.
" Nov 13, 17 2:59 PM

I expect any reputable developer to take a consistent approach to protecting an environmentally fragile area regardless of the zoning mechanisms that have been approved. A middle finger response isn't limited just to the town board, as all of us will have to live with the results. That includes everyone that supported The Hills PDD as well. We live on an island - we share the same water.
" Nov 13, 17 3:25 PM

I think golf courses are the opposite of smart growth. I guess golf courses and cemeteries are probably the worst for land use. Land is not one of our greatest resources out here. Using 600 acres for what amounts to be a private club makes zero sense to me. Now we can talk about the differences between these 2 models for hours, and we'd both make a lot of very good points. I don't think we've seen what the maximum benefit truly is. We've been presented 2 models from Discovery. The as of right model has implied threats connected to it. Those threats come from the builder who wants a different model to be approved. So now we get back to my point of absolutes. I understand both sides of this argument. I also understand that we are talking about managed decay and opportunity for smart growth being lit on fire. " Nov 13, 17 3:49 PM

To answer your question directly: I'd like to see part of the land purchased with CPF, and the remainder built with single family, some affordable (middle income) models, and perhaps a 55+ segment. Ideally clustered to maximize the benefits of advanced sewage treatment.
Pie in the sky? Maybe. " Nov 13, 17 3:54 PM

Yes, a CPF offer was declined. At the time you didn't have a willing seller. Could that change if the PDD is denied? Maybe. Is there a market over there for McMansions? I don't think so. So all of these factors start to creep in and maybe smart businessmen start looking for a profitable compromise.
Not unlike you, that's a prediction. Actually it's more of a hope. " Nov 13, 17 4:31 PM

Actually no, I've never said anything even close to that. I'm questioning the argument of absolutes. Why aren't you? I love Sesame Street though. " Nov 13, 17 6:07 PM

That may very well be the case. The thing is that narrative is being pushed by the developer, and we already know that the pdd application has likely failed. So according to DLC, the only alternative is a 137 home subdivision with traditional septic. That's it - no other solution, no other model.
I think people are mistaking my point with some kind of anti-Hills sentiment. That's incorrect. I just don't buy this black and white notion of if it's not the pdd, then it HAS to be this other model. Right now that land is trees and grass, so it's an open canvass. I think people need to stop pushing the developer's narrative here and start asking for more solutions. Again, this all under the assumption that the pdd app has been rejected. " Nov 14, 17 10:08 AM

I guess that will be between the town and the developer if the pdd is shot down. I've dealt with this town board. Contrary to what we read in many of the posts on this site, they are actually thoughtful people trying to do the right thing. My guess, and this is nothing more than a guess, is if the pdd fails this somehow doesn't end with 137 homes and cesspools pumping nitrogen. " Nov 14, 17 8:13 PM

Don't dare question the validity and motives of DLC's claim that the only 2 models available are the golf course PDD and the 137 unit as of right concept with traditional septic.
Apparently, to question this builder on this particular file is akin to questioning the bible, and those who do question it clearly have lost their minds.
In the future it might be best for us to stop asking "why" and examining other possibilities. After all, if a developer says something, it must be true.
Apparently at no time in written history have development plans been reduced or modified.
In this case, it looks like the PDD application has failed, so we all might as well stop asking questions and help dig holes for the cesspools.
The lack of respect and consideration for differing points of view never ceases to amaze me. " Nov 17, 17 12:10 PM

Lion - I don't know all of the specifics of the new application. I do know that the county is mandating the improved systems. I also know that at certain flow rates developers have to use sewage treatment systems. That said, I think you are missing my point. Working under the premise that the PDD application will likely fail, we may have to shift to this new 137 model. I've seen starting points with large developments and they rarely end up the way they are initially proposed. So with all due respect, I take the this or that argument with a grain of salt. That's just one guy's opinion. It's pretty clear that a lot of people disagree with that opinion too. That's fine. " Nov 17, 17 5:32 PM

But I'll always question and validate things that are proposed as absolutes. " Nov 17, 17 5:34 PM

Discovery Land May Have Other Paths To Golf Course In East Quogue; Supervisor Pitches Public Access

I'm looking forward to the vote on The Hills PDD application, and hearing from our the rationale behind the vote of each of our town board members.
FYI - those who may think John Bouvier or Christine Scalera are playing party politics or are part of "the swamp" have more than likely never spoken to either. Though their opinions may be at odds, my bet is they will be well thought out and thoroughly researched.
Wishing all a happy Thanksgiving. I'm thankful to live in this beautiful area and hope we all do our part to keep it that way. " Nov 23, 17 11:20 AM

Vote On The Hills On December 5 Is Likely Just The Beginning Of A New Phase In Project's Debate

Yep - you have the right to apply and that's pretty much it. "There will be golf. There will be golf" is an insult to the town board, and pretty much everyone that lives here. " Nov 28, 17 3:01 PM

And Tommy John S. who publicly stated that he was against The Hills, so there is validity in your statement. I think those outside of EQ look at The Hills application with a lot less emotion. Also important to note that Dick Amper and Bob Deluca have been protecting the environment for a long time, and we have benefited greatly from their efforts. To see them so passionately against The Hills application makes me pause and consider what they have to say. The trench warfare tied to this application isn't doing any of us any good. " Nov 29, 17 8:33 AM

Lion - I'm not baiting you or trying to discredit you in any way. I read many of your posts with an open mind. It certainly sounds like you either work for, or have something to gain from the Hills PDD passing. If you do, I think it would be fair to publicly state it. Please forgive me if you have already. " Nov 29, 17 8:39 AM

I agree to an extent, but would exercise caution. Land is a scarce resource on Long Island, and I have watched farms turn into developments very quickly. The restrictive zoning on The Hills site may create a scenario where a developer's risk outweighs the reward in terms of actually selling the homes. That said, markets change and the scarcity of land won't get any better, so the notion that something wont eventually be built there is dicey. Building 130 McMansions all at once would be a fools play. However, some organic build out over time would not surprise me at all. " Nov 29, 17 8:48 AM

But that wasn't my point, nor was the question directed at you. We know Turkey Bridge is against The Hills and has no vested interest in the success of the project. In fairness, it would be nice to know if and how Lion is connected to The Hills. " Nov 29, 17 8:53 AM

I'll take him at his word, as I will take Lion at his. If you have to lie, then you have no argument. " Nov 29, 17 10:05 AM

I agree 100% on the school impact. Lion could legitimately question that and ask for evidence. The only evidence to offer is an analysis based on common sense. I think Turkey Bridge's post offers a lot of common sense. " Nov 29, 17 10:11 AM

The Baker's Bay folks claim that DLC's promises and environmental protection measures were misleading and not kept. They went so far as to write a detailed report and "open letter to Southampton residents" urging us to exercise caution when dealing with DLC. Mr. Amper and Mr. DeLuca have been stewards of the environment for a long time, and where they live and vote is of no consequence as they are just doing what they have always done - exercising caution on our behalf. I think these 2 men in particular deserve a lot more respect than to be dismissed because the don't vote in Southampton Town. That's just ridiculous. Be it The Hills or any other large development, I want Mr. Amper and Mr. DeLuca looking out for every time. " Nov 30, 17 3:17 PM

I was on the fence when The Hills debate began. Golf course or as of right, it's all just managed decay - neither is good, so let's not make pretend that we are doing the environment any favors either way. Through the process, we saw Arizona based, Discovery Land, target a sitting councilwoman, and overtly attempt to influence the outcome of our local election. We've seen them plant their talking points on this site. We debate with people who clearly have a vested interest in a yes vote, though they'll never admit it. Each of their promises and benefits comes with the not so veiled threats of, "and if you don't we'll do X, Y and Z to your town."
So now I don't trust them. I don't trust the way they operate, and I have no reason to trust that they will do what they claim in order to protect the environment . This is our environment and our water. Turning that over to bullies with questionable ethics and values is a bad idea. Those who blindly believe this company may want to start thinking twice. Look at how they have operated. Are you comfortable with it? Have they gained your trust?" Nov 30, 17 3:54 PM

So dismiss Amper and DeLuca because they are being paid, and trust Hissey because???
You seem like a sensible person. Why should anyone trust DLC after their conduct here? PDD / As of right / skyscrapers doesn't even matter at this point. DLC's conduct has been awful." Dec 1, 17 1:38 PM

Yes, and if it is the PDD then we have to trust them to manage it as they promised. " Dec 1, 17 4:12 PM

UPDATE: Southampton Town Board Votes Down The Hills Proposal Tuesday

Civic Associations questioned the consideration of a PDD after this board voted that PDD's are ineffective zoning tools.
As this PDD sits over the aquifer and CG pine barrens, it is appropriate for civic's outside of EQ to comment pro or con if they have consensus. It happens a lot. " Dec 4, 17 6:16 PM

Would you restrict people from outside of EQ that are in favor of The Hills from voicing an opinion? The application is before the Southampton Town board making it a Southampton Town issue. " Dec 4, 17 6:22 PM

I understand. Have you attended the meetings to voice your concern. Most Civic/CAC meetings are open to anyone who wants to attend. I'm a board member of Speonk Remsenburg Civic, and I think you have a valid point. All civics should be very careful to avoid political agendas. I know we question it when we start to cross that line. Good point, HBP." Dec 5, 17 2:32 PM

Totally agree. It wouldn't kill any of us to engage in civil debate. The Hills has been especially contentious. The lack of respect for a differing opinion is downright childish IMO. " Dec 5, 17 3:24 PM


If DLC files an article 78 suit, the process will be officially scrutinized. That's why the process took so long, the town had to be methodical and precise. People are divided on the outcome, but the process is the process. Please provide examples of the obvious misconduct. Also, who do you suspect took bribes and what evidence is there to support your claim? My guess is there is no evidence at all and never will be because it never happened. " Dec 7, 17 9:08 AM

That's a whole lot of conjecture there, DH. People were split on this application as were our town board members. Jay Schneiderman articulated his 10 point checklist and DLC satisfied the criteria in his mind. This was all very public. I don't chase conspiracy, nor do I engage in debate about it. Stan Glinka and Christine Scalera voted in favor of the PDD too. Both honest and honorable people. I think your energy needs refocusing. Good luck. " Dec 9, 17 7:07 PM

Lion was asked a number of times if he had ties to DLC, but never answered the question. The lack of answer telling and his points of views taken with more than a few grains of salt. " Dec 11, 17 10:32 AM

Sandy Hollow is a fully funded, state sponsored, middle income complex. The funding ($30 million as I recall) is bundled with the Speonk 38 unit complex that will break ground in the coming weeks. Both projects approved and funded, both will be built. Each will offer rentals for folks making $37K to $86K annually. You can argue about govt's place in housing if you like, but "overturning Sandy Hollow" and "CPF for Sandy Hollow" simply will not happen. Meet with the builder and ask him about the program and the myriad of vetting and restrictions for the tenants. You may feel better about things if you do. " Dec 11, 17 12:01 PM

Lion, as an adult I will ignore your childish need for insult and sarcasm and hope that you can focus all of your attention to answering the following question:
Do you have professional or personal ties to DLC?
Please answer directly, without grandstanding or long winded diatribes.
Also, please find the post where I stated that DLC does not have a SEQRA positive finding statements. As a half wit, I may have lost track of things that I've said, maybe because I never did. " Dec 11, 17 7:42 PM

It matters in that he presents a singular and rigid point of view, assuming building mandates based on AOR zoning. It's a scare tactic and consistent with DLC methods. Knowing he's arguing on behalf of his or DLC's interests at least gives people an opportunity to pause and consider the source. That and most of his posts start with a personal attack on whoever he's debating with. If he's a DLC guy, then I wouldn't want to do business with him based on that character flaw alone. " Dec 12, 17 1:54 PM

I work for myself. I'm following this file because it's interesting and I think a private golf course on that land is a pathetic waste. To that I turn to my town board, who shot the PDD down. I also know the zoning restrictions and don't see the AOR model as viable in spite of DLC's claims. I'm certainly not alone on that judging by the many posts on the subject. It's my opinion that the current AOR model is just another bad idea. I'm sorry if that makes your hair burn. I've seen firsthand how large AOR developments morph and evolve. This one will too. Have a holly jolly wordy gurdy Christmas. " Dec 13, 17 2:43 PM

Suffolk County, Southampton Town Officials Break Ground On Speonk Commons Affordable Housing Project Tuesday

We spend a lot of time talking about the disconnect between government and community. The Speonk Commons development represents the process gone right. Supervisor Schneiderman, Councilman Bouvier, Councilwoman Scalera, Councilwoman Lofstad and former Councilman Glinka met with us countless times. They listened to our concerns. They came to our town and engaged our civic associations.They fought for lower density on the site. In the end we have a complex that will yield the same amount of people as the as of right model. More, the town continues to engage us and help us manage density in the 700+ acres of compatible growth area. It's not easy, and there are a lot of outside forces pulling in different directions. In this case, your town government did everything it could to find consensus. In the interest of fairness, let's give them credit for that. " Jan 16, 18 4:20 PM

There will be a commercial segment at the complex. Not sure what will be viable, but it will be there. What they approved was not planned from the start. I assure you it that. I think people need to understand that it's the state that funds and pushes these models. Personally, and I have expressed this to all involved, I prefer an ownership model. Sadly, the state has no such model and in order to fund these complexes need to increase density on relatively cheap land. You will see more of this throughout the island, primarily near train stations. Some will be ok with it, some will not. In Speonk there was a general acceptance and understanding that something was going to happen at that location, so got a seat at the table. Future developers looking to down zone in the area will likely be unsuccessful.
" Jan 17, 18 7:43 AM

Sorry for spelling errors. Fat fingers on a kindle. " Jan 17, 18 7:45 AM

Ray, the 30 mill figure is combined between Speonk and Sandy Hollow.
Still high, but not 790K high. The state $ needed to keep the complexes affordable in perpetuity.
" Jan 17, 18 10:32 AM

Not entirely accurate. That property has and is being used as affordable. The N Phillips Ave corridor is slowly being transformed. Yes, that area has mostly small rental homes. As a matter of fact, a home was raided right up the road because of illegal overcrowding. So the truth is N. Phillips is not without issues, but it could be a diamond in the rough. It's going to take some time, but we can do it. I think 1st time buyers should keep an eye on it. " Jan 19, 18 12:24 PM

Pee Wee - I think you need to look into the renting/vetting criteria. Also, if that did happen, we'd scream and broadcast it to all who will listen, thus killing any chance of this model being plugged in anywhere else. The state does not want these models to fail - they have way too much invested. So perhaps you can actually give those making $36,500 - $89,000 a chance instead of condemning an end result based on a hypothesis based on inaccurate data. More, we are going to work closely with Diana Weir and Georgica Green in order to insure that the tenant selection process is honest. If it's not, we'll let everyone know. " Jan 19, 18 12:34 PM

The state and county have invested over 32 million dollars into the Sandy Hollow and Speonk complexes. That's 32 million reasons for the state and county to want to see these things succeed. The state vetting criteria is pretty strict and clear. The multiiple layers of oversight are in place as well, and in the case of Speonk, we are engaged in the process on all levels.
Screaming that either complex will devolve into drug infested slums doesn't do anyone any good. That's a fear driven reaction based on misinformation and an unwillingness to engage all of the key parties involved. In the end, causing unnecessary panic is downright negligent in that it makes the future tenants guilty of an outcome that will likely never take place.
If our greatest fears are having folks making $36,000 to $89,000 living among us, then all one needs to do is drive around and see that we already do. So let's pump the breaks on the angry rhetoric before these unsubstantiated claims morph into something worse. Regardless of how one feels about governments role in housing, Sandy and Speonk are being built. Maybe we would all be better served to get involved in the process and actually give the future tenants a chance. After all, the best outcome is success and the betterment of our communities. Sorry for the long rant. " Jan 20, 18 12:23 PM

Not saying your concerns aren't valid. We share many of the same concerns here. The point is there are some stating that the inevitable end result will be drug infested slums. I don't think that's fair, nor do I see any benefit from it. " Jan 20, 18 12:55 PM

But neither property is participating in the section 8 program. Also, the demand for these units will be so high with qualified tenants, it's doubtful that you'll ever see a need for either to have to rely on the section 8 program.
My 2 main concerns are the impact that this may have on our school. I think the Nelson Pope assessment is too low. I hope I'm wrong. I'm also concerned with the traffic issues when the train is in station. " Jan 20, 18 1:47 PM

PWH - I'm going to choose to stay positive, engaged, and base my opinions on information. I sincerely hope that you are never on the receiving end of judgment based on misinformation. Good luck. " Jan 21, 18 12:38 PM

Some debates aren't worth having, Fore1gn.
" Jan 21, 18 12:40 PM

Hampton Bays School District Files $10.6 Million Notice Of Claim Against Town Over Illegal Rentals

You insist on clinging to and broadcasting false information. I suggest that you contact the Town Housing Development office and ask how the tenant lists will be compiled, vetted, and ultimately selected. You can get involved and insist on transparency on this very issue. Our community will have eyes on the process throughout. I find that a better use of energy and time. The simple fact is you are so very wrong with your assumptions and regurgitate falsehoods to the benefit of no one. " Feb 2, 18 12:15 PM

Man I wish all posts were as rational as this one. Thank you, Ernie.
I hope that others approach this issue with the same attitude. " Feb 7, 18 5:20 PM

Southampton School Officials Nix Columbus Day In Favor Of Indigenous Peoples' Day On School Calendars

Kids learn about indigenous people and explorers in the schools. Columbus, Magellan, de Leon, etc all historical figures worth learning about. Indigenous cultures also worth learning about. Honestly, I don't think most kids sit around doing a lot of deep thinking about why they have off from school that day. More, if we are to truly and honestly examine the transgressions of Columbus or any given explorer, should we not examine how rival indigenous tribes treated one another? Some of that history reads like a horror novel. So let's be consistent and honest when applying moral standards. As a father, I will do a better job at teaching moral lessons to my kids than any school, and would rather the schools stick to teaching the history of exploration without the need for some hypothetical moral counterweight. " Feb 15, 18 10:37 AM

Kids learn about indigenous people and explorers in the schools. Columbus, Magellan, de Leon, etc all historical figures worth learning about. Indigenous cultures also worth learning about. Honestly, I don't think most kids sit around doing a lot of deep thinking about why they have off from school that day. More, if we are to truly and honestly examine the transgressions of Columbus or any given explorer, should we not examine how rival indigenous tribes treated one another? Some of that history reads like a horror novel. So let's be consistent and honest when applying moral standards. As a father, I will do a better job at teaching moral lessons to my kids than any school, and would rather the schools stick to teaching the history of exploration without the need for some hypothetical moral counterweight. " Feb 15, 18 10:49 AM

So you want the extinction of roughly 35% of the country to occur while we are all in this together, and not hurting each other? That will be the time for a singular way of thinking that will be for the betterment of all, or a universal "helping" moment. Did I get that right? " Feb 15, 18 11:19 AM

No more guilty / no less guilty. The point being the school is cherry picking morality on our behalf, and it's out of bounds. If the issue is Columbus the person, then fine, cancel Columbus Day. To counterbalance it with a supposed morally superior "holiday" or whatever you want to call it is a stretch IMO. I think this school board needs to check itself. I think the parents in that district should push back with fervor. Do we really want school boards playing judge and jury over what is or is not a socially acceptable day off? I'd fight that like wolverine. " Feb 15, 18 1:36 PM

I think you might feel differently the day this or any other board puts something on that calendar that you don't like. I don't like this precedent at all. " Feb 15, 18 2:26 PM

Good point. That said, we have the right to question our school boards decisions/policies. " Feb 15, 18 3:02 PM

UPDATE: Thousands Without Power After Heavy Snowfall Across Region

Ha. I was thinking that this could extend the ski season another week or two." Mar 12, 18 7:12 PM

East End High School Students Walk Out In Protest Of Gun Violence Wednesday

Young people peacefully protesting in an effort to bring about change. Sounds like America to me. " Mar 21, 18 9:50 AM

UPDATE: Remsenburg Teenager Charged With Vandalizing Westhampton Beach High School

The school doesn't have cameras outside?" Apr 6, 18 5:41 PM

Or dopey kids doing dopey things like dopey kids do." Apr 6, 18 5:43 PM

I'll bet you that the kids who did this have no idea who Lee Zeldin is or what he does." Apr 6, 18 5:44 PM

"If someone paints a swastika on a school, then the home environment of that person is to blame. Period!"
As if all if/thens are that simple an absolute.
" Apr 7, 18 11:56 AM

Yep. Some folks can't see an issue for what it is.
I hope whoever did this is caught, appropriately punished, learns a lesson and grows up.
" Apr 7, 18 1:22 PM

Ridiculous reply. Teens do very stupid things. I don't know this kid nor do I have any need or desire to condemn him. His actions were stupid, heartless and absolutely wrong. He should be appropriately punished. More importantly, he should be given a chance to work out his issues and hopefully become a positive member of society. That is my hope for him. If we all were judged by the worst thing we did in our teens, most of us wouldn't be too happy. " Apr 12, 18 9:27 PM

How tragically ironic that those who claim to be so appalled by this kids actions come here and induce more hate. Out of the 50 or so comments here there are but a handful suggesting that the kid needs to get some help. He should be held accountable, and equally important, given an opportunity to turn himself around.
You want to crucify a 17 year old kid? I don't. I'd like to find out what the heck inspired this and get him some help. " Apr 12, 18 9:44 PM

Why not do both at the same time?" Apr 14, 18 7:21 PM

'The Hills' Developer Files $100 Million Lawsuit Against Southampton Town For Rejecting PDD

I especially liked this part: "their votes were cast for the illegitimate purpose of assuaging a loud and vocal minority or project opponents.”
And then the election happened and Julie Lofstad and Tommy JS, both anti-Hills PDD, won by a lot. " Apr 17, 18 8:24 AM

Responsible development = a golf course over an aquifer, used by people who are not, will not be part of the community? The demand for the Hills is external, meaning if you build it they will come. There is no organic demand for the Hills. With land in short supply out here, the Hills is the opposite of smart growth. The Hills is a resort community. You may like that model, but please don't compare it to anything resembling responsible growth when the target market will be imported. " Apr 17, 18 6:17 PM

Actually the Hills application was not as of right, it was a PDD, which this board had earlier determined to be an ineffective and not clearly defined zoning tool. This PDD ultimately approved or not approved at the discretion of the town board. In this case not approved.
Now the developer is attempting to circumvent the TB by bringing this new proposal to the zoning board, and IMO looking for more leverage with this suit.
It's pretty consistent with the MO when you consider how every "public benefit" promised had the lurking shadow of a thinly veiled threat behind it. ie. If we don't get our PDD, we'll give you max build out and environment be damned. DLC isn't acting very neighborly, are they?
" Apr 18, 18 7:51 AM

Valid points, but DLC is still going for a golf course by way of planning board. We'll see where this ends up. With the restrictive zoning in the APOD in East Quogue, I'm not sure what kind of market there will be for houses.
Again though, the town board voted on a PDD application and did not receive the needed super majority. I think we need to look at that and filter out the noise. Would it be appropriate for a town board to vote in favor of a PDD, which they have already determined to be an ineffective zoning tool, out of fear that an alternative application might be presented to the planning board? I think the town board did their jobs, and there is a difference of opinion among them. DLC doesn't like the result. " Apr 18, 18 11:41 AM

Southampton Town Board To Buy, Preserve Property Above Speonk Plume

This was a good CPF purchase. $1.2 mill for 15 acres and this land truly meets the criteria that CPF was designed for. " May 13, 18 10:58 AM

New Westhampton Community Center To Be Built At Gabreski Business Park

I love this idea. Please contact me. You can find me on facebook." May 17, 18 11:37 AM

Valid points. The town is looking to demo and sell the old center. Some of the benefits about having the Rechler Group build at the Gabreski site being the town will not have to invest in the land or construction. The town will lease the facility. The Rechlers certainly know how to build, so the town won't have to worry about construction budgets, waste, bidding etc. IMO, it's better for the town and tax payers to have the Rechler Group build and lease out than the town act as developer. " May 17, 18 5:19 PM

Wholesale Plant Nursery Opens In Speonk; Seeks Zoning Exemption From Town

Community concerns as follows:
The well located to the west of the house sits over the solvent plume. Local hydro-geologists are concerned that the well could alter the flow of the plume and bring contaminants to the surface. The town does not monitor irrigation wells. The county should have eyes on this.
The van acting as a sign is too close to the street. It looks like it is about to pull out of the property. That's a town issue.
Monitoring the facility to make sure it is operating strictly as a wholesale business. There are other garden centers in the area selling retail / paying retail taxes and rent. In the interest of fairness there should be oversight.
Making sure trucks don't back out of the facility. The curve on Old Country Rd creates a visual hindrance where motorists have little time to react to obstacles. Combined with the awful intersection at Speonk-Riverhead Rd and Old Ctry Rd, this could be a dangerous little stretch.
The facility looks nice and nobody wants to interfere with their right to operate a business. IMO the above concerns are valid and should be addressed. " May 19, 18 10:13 AM

New Westhampton Community Center To Be Built At Gabreski Business Park

IMO weighing the positives and negatives, doing this with the Rechlers at Gabreski makes the most sense. It's the most efficient and cost-effective model, doesn't require any zone changes, has room for expansion, and doesn't put the town in the position as acting as developer. In the end, this represents a real opportunity to create a center for seniors, youth services, civic groups, various clubs, etc to enjoy. We've been waiting for this for a long time, and this is a great opportunity. So looking at this project on this site with these builders, I can't come up with a better scenario to actually get this done. " May 19, 18 5:13 PM

As do I. Let's work on it. " May 20, 18 7:42 AM

The Rechler Group is going to build a small business facility at the industrial park too. 1 main building containing 4 or 5 office/shop spaces at approx 2000 sqr ft each. I really like this idea. " May 21, 18 9:01 AM

Thanks, TB. I truly believe that this will be a net gain for the community by a lot. " May 21, 18 9:02 AM

Planning Board Seeks Recommendation From Chief Building Inspector On Golf Course In East Quogue--Despite Public Comments Supporting It

Remove the emotions that The Hills application invokes and ask if we are ok with a town board decision effectively being overturned by way of an appointed board punting final say to a single town employee? Are we ok with that scenario playing out with any application?" May 29, 18 8:03 AM

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman Announces Run For Suffolk County Comptroller This Fall

You mean you want to have respectful dialogue and debate? You actually want examine a subject with reason? You are willing to approach something with an open mind? That's crazy talk!!!" May 30, 18 11:35 AM

A lot of people do. Sadly, when most of the homes were built out here there was little thought about the long term impact on our waters. Same goes for the fertilizers and pesticides that we have used, and continue to use. Now state, county, town govt are actively exploring solutions, which will only work if we all change our habits. So I'm glad that you are aware of the problem, Chief. I also hope that you will be part of the solution. " May 30, 18 11:45 AM

Southampton Town Residents Come Out In Support Of Rose Hill Deal

1 of 3 - unrelated.
2 of 3 - Sandy Hollow vetting criteria requires 60% AMI and a participating landlord.
3 of 3 - Section vouchers require 50% AMI, and the landlord isn't participating. " Jun 19, 18 10:21 PM

* section 8 vouchers" Jun 19, 18 10:22 PM

You have no point. Repeating inaccurate information over and over doesn't make an argument. Being against multi-family affordable models is certainly your right. To call you on broadcasting falsehoods is equally my right. Do your homework. Speonk is getting the larger of the 2 complexes. Neither will be section 8 because both are 60% AMI and the landlord isn't participating in the voucher program. The waiting list for the combined 62 apartments is over 800 people deep and growing. In other words, they can fill these apartments 13 times over before needing to consider a section 8 model. " Jun 20, 18 9:07 AM

Can you substantiate, "it has to as the county is involved as a partner?" Have you reached out to Bridget Fleming on the matter? Have you read the application itself? Do you know where the bulk of the funding comes from and the criteria one must follow to qualify for said funding?
Being wrong with conviction won't make you any less wrong. Perhaps if you educated yourself on the subject you wouldn't be filled with as much angst. " Jun 20, 18 12:05 PM

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