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Suffolk County Completes Purchase Of Two Affordable Housing Lots In Southampton Town

I actually fought hard against the Speonk project as it was too large, and that corridor is in serious danger of overdevelopment. However, we worked with the town and got the project down to roughly the same density as the as of right yield would have brought us. So it's more a matter of being pro-fairness than anything else. "Affordable" is a relative term. Singles making $36K for a studio or couples making up to $89K for a 2 bedroom don't scare me. Can they afford a house in my community? No. Is this rental concept the best solution? I don't think so. Is it an adequate solution? Probably for some. The pressure will come from the state to address workforce housing. I think it best to have a seat at the table and do this in an equitable way. Again long post, sorry. Thanks for the respectful dialogue. " Jul 28, 17 10:04 AM

State Could Revoke License Of Westhampton Beach Day Care Center

Both of my boys attended Bright Beginnings. Dawn always ran a tight ship and the program was excellent. I hope that this issue is resolved fairly and Bright Beginnings continues to give an academic head start to the children of our community. I'm sure there are many parents who would concur with that sentiment. " Aug 13, 17 9:20 AM

Southampton Supervisor Candidate Ray Overton Supports 'The Hills At Southampton' Application

Devil's advocate - shouldn't the town board be taking their time with this decision? This is a serious development that requires an awful lot of intense study, which is apparently ongoing. One misstep by the town board could result in a lawsuit from either side. Ray has stated his position and Jay is still weighing the options. At some point in the near future the town board will vote on this project and then we'll decide whether or not to support that decision. Just my opinion, but I actually appreciate that the town is going about this methodically and carefully." Aug 26, 17 11:20 AM

Northwell Health To Shut Down CareConnect Private Insurance Provider

What a disaster.
Care Connect SIlver $1200 / month
$6000 individual / $12000 family deductible.
Don't get sick.
And on goes the tug-of-war between the 2 parties while we pay more and more and get less and less. Neither side is doing right by us, and neither side deserves our support.
" Aug 26, 17 11:41 AM

Pretty much. This small business owner is either going to have to find a night job or turn this endeavor into a PT gig. Either way, I'll be looking outside to get my family insured. What a mess." Aug 30, 17 3:44 PM

Lofstad, Bouvier Reject Findings Statement On 'The Hills' Project Tuesday

The level of disrespect shown by people on both sides of the issue was downright embarrassing. Yes, we can disagree and yes, we can be frustrated by the process, but people need to dial it back a lot. The town can't make a single misstep on this file, because if they do it gives grounds for a lawsuit. Perhaps a lawsuit is unavoidable, I don't know. What I do know is screaming at and publicly disrespecting elected officials doesn't do anything to bolster an argument. " Sep 27, 17 1:16 PM

I don't think so. People from E Quogue will surely vote for their town council based on the hills decision, but those of us in other hamlets will continue to weigh our options.
I think people are following the hills debate, and I'd guess that it's 50/50 in opinion outside of E Quogue. It may even be more against than for. So I'm not sure the hills is a career killer. Just my opinion." Sep 27, 17 1:29 PM

Taking The Hills out of the equation for a minute, this town board has already ruled that a PDD is an ineffective and arbitrary tool used to accommodate developers.
It's that fact that leaves one to ask the question, "If it was ineffective then, why should it be effective now?"" Sep 27, 17 1:32 PM

I get it. When all is said and done with this file, we all need to lobby the town to expedite a full review and update of the town master plan. Regardless of how folks feel about The Hills, we need to stop and look at the health of our bays. It needs to be the priority, and I just don't see the urgency and overall interest in our communities." Sep 27, 17 4:19 PM

Southampton Town Board, Supervisor Candidates Will Participate In Press Debate Thursday

I know that is fashionable to bash govt on all levels, but I want to share how Julie Lofstad and Stan Glinka treated our community when we were discussing the workforce housing application over at 41 N Phillips Ave in Speonk.
Julie met with us once as a candidate and 3 times as a board member. We explained that we were concerned about significant overdevelopment in the area, as we were looking at 3 zone change applications at the same time. Julie listened, understood, and never wavered in her belief that we need to address the lack of affordable housing in Southampton Town, but needed to use a spread out approach with each hamlet doing its part in addressing the need. Julie was instrumental in helping protect our community from overdevelopment, and only voted for the 41 N Phillips application once we got the overall density down to a fair level, or in this case - density neutral. Julie showed courage and commitment to her word, navigating through State pressure, the needs of the workforce, and working with a community looking for fairness.
Stan Glinka met with us 4 times. From the very first meeting Stan listened to us and understood that we were at risk of overdevelopment. At no point did he promise us anything but fairness, and fairness is what he delivered. Stan only voted for the zone change once we found a solution that made sense for all. Again, no easy task as these issues are almost always intense and emotion filled. Stan was extraordinarily accessible, and showed genuine concern for a positive outcome.
So this may seem like a fluff piece, the intention is to show how government worked. Though on different sides of the political aisle, Southampton Town has 2 very good people on the town board in Julie Lofstad and Stan Glinka.
" Oct 11, 17 2:17 PM

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman To Leave Independence Party, Join Democrats

Excellent point." Oct 24, 17 2:49 PM

Julie hasn't always gone along with Jay. She was instrumental in helping to get the Speonk Workforce housing apartments down to a number that the community felt comfortable with. Julie has also established a panel that is looking for ways to spread out affordable housing throughout SH Town, thus limiting sudden and extreme density impacts. She's a thoughtful and pragmatic councilwoman, and deserves re-election IMO. Tommy J is a good candidate, but I'd rather have Stan on the board. I'm not a fan of super majorities. " Oct 30, 17 10:08 AM

I'm not saying that the HB problem doesn't exist. I was just pointing out that Julie hasn't always walked lockstep with Jay.
I actually agree and sympathize with you about the overcrowding issue. It's unfair, unsafe and needs to be addressed. In my dealings with this town board I've found them accessible and considerate of our issues. That said, politics is a ship that turns slowly, so keep talking to them and work on solutions. You may be surprised how receptive they are to that. Hampton Bays is a diamond in the rough. I really hope to see it thrive. " Oct 30, 17 11:51 AM

Who is responsible for removing the signs after election day? I typically pick up 10 or so by my road. I don't mind that they are displayed for a couple weeks, but there should be an organized effort to pick them up after the election.
" Oct 31, 17 9:47 AM

It is mind blowing that the turnout for local elections is so poor. People want to ignore the process, but complain about the outcome. We can't have it both ways. " Oct 31, 17 9:50 AM

I will never stop believing in the power of communication, persistence, and solutions through compromise. Republican, Democrat, or Independent, on the local level we all have more in common than not. So at the risk of sounding hokey, I think we should focus on the positive and how we can work together. The alternative is exhausting and typically fruitless. " Oct 31, 17 10:03 AM

Schneiderman: Current Southampton Town Board Will Get Final Vote On 'The Hills' In November

I hope we get a large voter turnout throughout SH Town. I'm sure E Quogue will be well represented. Though the HIlls is an important issue, it's not the only issue, and I really don't like the idea of Arizona based developers trying to manipulate our local election. " Oct 31, 17 1:55 PM

I'm not sure I follow. It seems that the Republicans are either for the Hills, or not commenting. If Jay wanted to be in good standing with the Democratic Party, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would have called a vote by now, knowing that Julie and John are no votes?
Ray Overton has stated that he is for the Hills PDD. I respect that he has voiced an opinion and backed it up. Tommy JS is against, and I respect that he has made his opinion public.
So that leaves Stan and Thea DF. Stan has not stated a position, nor has Thea. Thea seems like a nice person, but she's a poor candidate and I don't see her beating any of the above. So the only way Discovery gets their project is the unlikely (A) Jay / Thea / Stan win - they all vote yes along with Christine (assuming she does too.)
(B) Ray / Thea / Stan win - they all vote yes (assuming Christine does too.) Either way, Jay is weakened and has three Repubs on the board, or he's out altogether.
Where Jay erred was not called the vote before the election. This vote should be made by the people who have followed it closest: Jay, Julie, John, Christine and Stan. Having any newcomers vote on it defies logic IMO. Sorry for the long post." Oct 31, 17 4:54 PM

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman To Leave Independence Party, Join Democrats

Understood. So you'll likely vote for the opposition, as is your right. The point is, no matter who you vote for, or who wins, you'll still have to engage them on a consistent basis. So I go in with a positive outlook and offer solutions while remaining persistent.
I do know this, the default method of screaming, finger pointing, and personal attacks rarely work. " Nov 1, 17 11:00 AM

HBP - have you spoken with your CAC and Civic Assoc?
Have you set up personal meetings with each town board member? Doing this with the assistance of the CAC and Civic Assoc helps.
" Nov 1, 17 11:05 AM

And finally, if any of these motels are participating in the section 8 voucher program, the property owner is subject to maintenance and occupancy standards. What you need to do is find out who administers the voucher (The Southampton Town Housing Authority, The county, or perhaps the state) and request assistance.
Also, stay engaged with the local code enforcement officer if you haven't already. " Nov 1, 17 11:16 AM

So in your opinion what is needed to fix the problem? I mean in a practical way. I don't see hundreds of people suddenly thrown out and becoming homeless in the dead of night.
What would you like done and how can it be done?
I'm not baiting, I honestly want to know. " Nov 1, 17 11:55 AM

Why is it that every time I ask you a question you assume that I'm arguing with you? I'm trying to understand why no action has been taken on this, and what is the best solution to the problem. Town Board members aren't mystical people with all the answers. Sometimes you need to offer something. If Jay is who you say he is, then vote for Ray. If you think Thea will do more for you than Julie (doubtful - watch the debates) then vote for Thea. Again, whoever is on that board will have a long list of issues to deal with. Coming up with some solutions will help your cause. Arguing with those who are trying to understand it sure as heck won't. And with that, I wish you luck. " Nov 1, 17 12:52 PM

My experience with the TB has been entirely different, but that doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your opinion. At the very least you are engaged and voting with purpose. I do a lot of community work and hope to do a lot more. Perhaps our paths will cross and we'll do some good sometime. I hope this issue is resolved. HB could and should be a thriving town. I honestly wish the best for you." Nov 1, 17 4:17 PM

How many illegally used motels are there in SpeonK? None that I know of.
What about restaurants that have turned into strip clubs? One which is long rumored to be a front for nefarious activity.
How many houses have 17 people living in them? A few, though it's hard to pinpoint an exact number.
How many gang stabbings have you had? I don't know. One murder a few years back involving an undocumented immigrant.
How many BMW's have been stolen by gang members? A lot of break-ins, though not limited to BMW's and probably the work of desperate heroin addicts.
Anyway - I hear you. I hope the election brings you the change you desire. " Nov 2, 17 10:31 AM

UPDATE: With All Districts Reporting, Schneiderman, Lofstad, Schiavoni Claim Victory In Southampton

Congratulations and best of luck to the winners. " Nov 8, 17 10:19 AM

Discovery's attacks on Julie were completely out of bounds and completely backfired. Kudos to SH voters for rejecting those tactics and shoving it right back in Discovery's faces. We vote for people and policy here, not for scare tactics and negative nonsense." Nov 8, 17 10:40 AM

Team Zacarese seems to be the worst offender. I still see his signs up everywhere." Nov 13, 17 12:03 PM

Developer Files Pre-Application For 137-Unit Subdivision In East Quogue, Backup Plan To 'Hills'

If DLC does an "as of right" subdivision, they should adhere to the same environmental standards as the pdd, using advanced sewage treatment etc. This would become a planning issue, and DLC has stated that they want to be good stewards of the environment. So any development should have the same set of standards regardless of PDD, as of right, golf course model, single family homes, etc. DLC shouldn't relax these standards under any model. " Nov 13, 17 12:14 PM

Because the point of business is to make money. Potential buyers will know all about this file given one click of the google machine. I'd imagine any allure to moving there would be in part tied to the environment. Knowing that, a builder wanting to market his product would be wise to do whatever possible to protect that environment under any model. The fragility of that location is well documented. Educated buyers will want to know why his or her home comes with a lower set of environmental safeguards. I don't mean this to be exclusive to DLC, it should be universal IMO. " Nov 13, 17 12:40 PM

I didn't offer a position, Joe. I'm just questioning the assumed absolutes on this, ie. PDD = environmental protections vs. As of Right = limited protections. I don't think the absolutes are applicable here.
If the answer is spite, then DLC shouldn't be allowed to develop doghouses in SH town.
If the answer is economics, then all sides have room to talk." Nov 13, 17 12:53 PM

I'm a small business owner. Again, the point being we are presented with absolutes, and I don't buy the idea of environmental protections being exclusive to only one model, regardless of how you may feel about the Hills pdd application.
So far the answers have been "spite" and "the point of business is to make money." " Nov 13, 17 1:31 PM

I didn't say the town would impose those requirements. So let's look at it 2 ways assuming the pdd is denied:
DLC builds 130 homes with traditional septic using the minimum environmental standards.
DLC builds 130 homes using advanced sewage treatment to reduce nitrogen loading.
As a buyer who has researched the area, which is more appealing? To your point, what are you willing to pay to preserve the environment and your investment?" Nov 13, 17 1:55 PM

So in this case DLC's concern for the environment goes as far as their profit margin. Any as of right model would have to go through planning. That would be a good place to ask nicely.
Thanks for the debate.
" Nov 13, 17 2:59 PM

I expect any reputable developer to take a consistent approach to protecting an environmentally fragile area regardless of the zoning mechanisms that have been approved. A middle finger response isn't limited just to the town board, as all of us will have to live with the results. That includes everyone that supported The Hills PDD as well. We live on an island - we share the same water.
" Nov 13, 17 3:25 PM

I think golf courses are the opposite of smart growth. I guess golf courses and cemeteries are probably the worst for land use. Land is not one of our greatest resources out here. Using 600 acres for what amounts to be a private club makes zero sense to me. Now we can talk about the differences between these 2 models for hours, and we'd both make a lot of very good points. I don't think we've seen what the maximum benefit truly is. We've been presented 2 models from Discovery. The as of right model has implied threats connected to it. Those threats come from the builder who wants a different model to be approved. So now we get back to my point of absolutes. I understand both sides of this argument. I also understand that we are talking about managed decay and opportunity for smart growth being lit on fire. " Nov 13, 17 3:49 PM

To answer your question directly: I'd like to see part of the land purchased with CPF, and the remainder built with single family, some affordable (middle income) models, and perhaps a 55+ segment. Ideally clustered to maximize the benefits of advanced sewage treatment.
Pie in the sky? Maybe. " Nov 13, 17 3:54 PM

Yes, a CPF offer was declined. At the time you didn't have a willing seller. Could that change if the PDD is denied? Maybe. Is there a market over there for McMansions? I don't think so. So all of these factors start to creep in and maybe smart businessmen start looking for a profitable compromise.
Not unlike you, that's a prediction. Actually it's more of a hope. " Nov 13, 17 4:31 PM

Actually no, I've never said anything even close to that. I'm questioning the argument of absolutes. Why aren't you? I love Sesame Street though. " Nov 13, 17 6:07 PM

That may very well be the case. The thing is that narrative is being pushed by the developer, and we already know that the pdd application has likely failed. So according to DLC, the only alternative is a 137 home subdivision with traditional septic. That's it - no other solution, no other model.
I think people are mistaking my point with some kind of anti-Hills sentiment. That's incorrect. I just don't buy this black and white notion of if it's not the pdd, then it HAS to be this other model. Right now that land is trees and grass, so it's an open canvass. I think people need to stop pushing the developer's narrative here and start asking for more solutions. Again, this all under the assumption that the pdd app has been rejected. " Nov 14, 17 10:08 AM

I guess that will be between the town and the developer if the pdd is shot down. I've dealt with this town board. Contrary to what we read in many of the posts on this site, they are actually thoughtful people trying to do the right thing. My guess, and this is nothing more than a guess, is if the pdd fails this somehow doesn't end with 137 homes and cesspools pumping nitrogen. " Nov 14, 17 8:13 PM

Don't dare question the validity and motives of DLC's claim that the only 2 models available are the golf course PDD and the 137 unit as of right concept with traditional septic.
Apparently, to question this builder on this particular file is akin to questioning the bible, and those who do question it clearly have lost their minds.
In the future it might be best for us to stop asking "why" and examining other possibilities. After all, if a developer says something, it must be true.
Apparently at no time in written history have development plans been reduced or modified.
In this case, it looks like the PDD application has failed, so we all might as well stop asking questions and help dig holes for the cesspools.
The lack of respect and consideration for differing points of view never ceases to amaze me. " Nov 17, 17 12:10 PM

Lion - I don't know all of the specifics of the new application. I do know that the county is mandating the improved systems. I also know that at certain flow rates developers have to use sewage treatment systems. That said, I think you are missing my point. Working under the premise that the PDD application will likely fail, we may have to shift to this new 137 model. I've seen starting points with large developments and they rarely end up the way they are initially proposed. So with all due respect, I take the this or that argument with a grain of salt. That's just one guy's opinion. It's pretty clear that a lot of people disagree with that opinion too. That's fine. " Nov 17, 17 5:32 PM

But I'll always question and validate things that are proposed as absolutes. " Nov 17, 17 5:34 PM

Discovery Land May Have Other Paths To Golf Course In East Quogue; Supervisor Pitches Public Access

I'm looking forward to the vote on The Hills PDD application, and hearing from our the rationale behind the vote of each of our town board members.
FYI - those who may think John Bouvier or Christine Scalera are playing party politics or are part of "the swamp" have more than likely never spoken to either. Though their opinions may be at odds, my bet is they will be well thought out and thoroughly researched.
Wishing all a happy Thanksgiving. I'm thankful to live in this beautiful area and hope we all do our part to keep it that way. " Nov 23, 17 11:20 AM

Vote On The Hills On December 5 Is Likely Just The Beginning Of A New Phase In Project's Debate

Yep - you have the right to apply and that's pretty much it. "There will be golf. There will be golf" is an insult to the town board, and pretty much everyone that lives here. " Nov 28, 17 3:01 PM

And Tommy John S. who publicly stated that he was against The Hills, so there is validity in your statement. I think those outside of EQ look at The Hills application with a lot less emotion. Also important to note that Dick Amper and Bob Deluca have been protecting the environment for a long time, and we have benefited greatly from their efforts. To see them so passionately against The Hills application makes me pause and consider what they have to say. The trench warfare tied to this application isn't doing any of us any good. " Nov 29, 17 8:33 AM

Lion - I'm not baiting you or trying to discredit you in any way. I read many of your posts with an open mind. It certainly sounds like you either work for, or have something to gain from the Hills PDD passing. If you do, I think it would be fair to publicly state it. Please forgive me if you have already. " Nov 29, 17 8:39 AM

I agree to an extent, but would exercise caution. Land is a scarce resource on Long Island, and I have watched farms turn into developments very quickly. The restrictive zoning on The Hills site may create a scenario where a developer's risk outweighs the reward in terms of actually selling the homes. That said, markets change and the scarcity of land won't get any better, so the notion that something wont eventually be built there is dicey. Building 130 McMansions all at once would be a fools play. However, some organic build out over time would not surprise me at all. " Nov 29, 17 8:48 AM

But that wasn't my point, nor was the question directed at you. We know Turkey Bridge is against The Hills and has no vested interest in the success of the project. In fairness, it would be nice to know if and how Lion is connected to The Hills. " Nov 29, 17 8:53 AM

I'll take him at his word, as I will take Lion at his. If you have to lie, then you have no argument. " Nov 29, 17 10:05 AM

I agree 100% on the school impact. Lion could legitimately question that and ask for evidence. The only evidence to offer is an analysis based on common sense. I think Turkey Bridge's post offers a lot of common sense. " Nov 29, 17 10:11 AM

The Baker's Bay folks claim that DLC's promises and environmental protection measures were misleading and not kept. They went so far as to write a detailed report and "open letter to Southampton residents" urging us to exercise caution when dealing with DLC. Mr. Amper and Mr. DeLuca have been stewards of the environment for a long time, and where they live and vote is of no consequence as they are just doing what they have always done - exercising caution on our behalf. I think these 2 men in particular deserve a lot more respect than to be dismissed because the don't vote in Southampton Town. That's just ridiculous. Be it The Hills or any other large development, I want Mr. Amper and Mr. DeLuca looking out for every time. " Nov 30, 17 3:17 PM

I was on the fence when The Hills debate began. Golf course or as of right, it's all just managed decay - neither is good, so let's not make pretend that we are doing the environment any favors either way. Through the process, we saw Arizona based, Discovery Land, target a sitting councilwoman, and overtly attempt to influence the outcome of our local election. We've seen them plant their talking points on this site. We debate with people who clearly have a vested interest in a yes vote, though they'll never admit it. Each of their promises and benefits comes with the not so veiled threats of, "and if you don't we'll do X, Y and Z to your town."
So now I don't trust them. I don't trust the way they operate, and I have no reason to trust that they will do what they claim in order to protect the environment . This is our environment and our water. Turning that over to bullies with questionable ethics and values is a bad idea. Those who blindly believe this company may want to start thinking twice. Look at how they have operated. Are you comfortable with it? Have they gained your trust?" Nov 30, 17 3:54 PM

So dismiss Amper and DeLuca because they are being paid, and trust Hissey because???
You seem like a sensible person. Why should anyone trust DLC after their conduct here? PDD / As of right / skyscrapers doesn't even matter at this point. DLC's conduct has been awful." Dec 1, 17 1:38 PM

Yes, and if it is the PDD then we have to trust them to manage it as they promised. " Dec 1, 17 4:12 PM

UPDATE: Southampton Town Board Votes Down The Hills Proposal Tuesday

Civic Associations questioned the consideration of a PDD after this board voted that PDD's are ineffective zoning tools.
As this PDD sits over the aquifer and CG pine barrens, it is appropriate for civic's outside of EQ to comment pro or con if they have consensus. It happens a lot. " Dec 4, 17 6:16 PM

Would you restrict people from outside of EQ that are in favor of The Hills from voicing an opinion? The application is before the Southampton Town board making it a Southampton Town issue. " Dec 4, 17 6:22 PM

I understand. Have you attended the meetings to voice your concern. Most Civic/CAC meetings are open to anyone who wants to attend. I'm a board member of Speonk Remsenburg Civic, and I think you have a valid point. All civics should be very careful to avoid political agendas. I know we question it when we start to cross that line. Good point, HBP." Dec 5, 17 2:32 PM

Totally agree. It wouldn't kill any of us to engage in civil debate. The Hills has been especially contentious. The lack of respect for a differing opinion is downright childish IMO. " Dec 5, 17 3:24 PM


If DLC files an article 78 suit, the process will be officially scrutinized. That's why the process took so long, the town had to be methodical and precise. People are divided on the outcome, but the process is the process. Please provide examples of the obvious misconduct. Also, who do you suspect took bribes and what evidence is there to support your claim? My guess is there is no evidence at all and never will be because it never happened. " Dec 7, 17 9:08 AM

That's a whole lot of conjecture there, DH. People were split on this application as were our town board members. Jay Schneiderman articulated his 10 point checklist and DLC satisfied the criteria in his mind. This was all very public. I don't chase conspiracy, nor do I engage in debate about it. Stan Glinka and Christine Scalera voted in favor of the PDD too. Both honest and honorable people. I think your energy needs refocusing. Good luck. " Dec 9, 17 7:07 PM

Lion was asked a number of times if he had ties to DLC, but never answered the question. The lack of answer telling and his points of views taken with more than a few grains of salt. " Dec 11, 17 10:32 AM

Sandy Hollow is a fully funded, state sponsored, middle income complex. The funding ($30 million as I recall) is bundled with the Speonk 38 unit complex that will break ground in the coming weeks. Both projects approved and funded, both will be built. Each will offer rentals for folks making $37K to $86K annually. You can argue about govt's place in housing if you like, but "overturning Sandy Hollow" and "CPF for Sandy Hollow" simply will not happen. Meet with the builder and ask him about the program and the myriad of vetting and restrictions for the tenants. You may feel better about things if you do. " Dec 11, 17 12:01 PM

Lion, as an adult I will ignore your childish need for insult and sarcasm and hope that you can focus all of your attention to answering the following question:
Do you have professional or personal ties to DLC?
Please answer directly, without grandstanding or long winded diatribes.
Also, please find the post where I stated that DLC does not have a SEQRA positive finding statements. As a half wit, I may have lost track of things that I've said, maybe because I never did. " Dec 11, 17 7:42 PM

It matters in that he presents a singular and rigid point of view, assuming building mandates based on AOR zoning. It's a scare tactic and consistent with DLC methods. Knowing he's arguing on behalf of his or DLC's interests at least gives people an opportunity to pause and consider the source. That and most of his posts start with a personal attack on whoever he's debating with. If he's a DLC guy, then I wouldn't want to do business with him based on that character flaw alone. " Dec 12, 17 1:54 PM

I work for myself. I'm following this file because it's interesting and I think a private golf course on that land is a pathetic waste. To that I turn to my town board, who shot the PDD down. I also know the zoning restrictions and don't see the AOR model as viable in spite of DLC's claims. I'm certainly not alone on that judging by the many posts on the subject. It's my opinion that the current AOR model is just another bad idea. I'm sorry if that makes your hair burn. I've seen firsthand how large AOR developments morph and evolve. This one will too. Have a holly jolly wordy gurdy Christmas. " Dec 13, 17 2:43 PM

Suffolk County, Southampton Town Officials Break Ground On Speonk Commons Affordable Housing Project Tuesday

We spend a lot of time talking about the disconnect between government and community. The Speonk Commons development represents the process gone right. Supervisor Schneiderman, Councilman Bouvier, Councilwoman Scalera, Councilwoman Lofstad and former Councilman Glinka met with us countless times. They listened to our concerns. They came to our town and engaged our civic associations.They fought for lower density on the site. In the end we have a complex that will yield the same amount of people as the as of right model. More, the town continues to engage us and help us manage density in the 700+ acres of compatible growth area. It's not easy, and there are a lot of outside forces pulling in different directions. In this case, your town government did everything it could to find consensus. In the interest of fairness, let's give them credit for that. " Jan 16, 18 4:20 PM

There will be a commercial segment at the complex. Not sure what will be viable, but it will be there. What they approved was not planned from the start. I assure you it that. I think people need to understand that it's the state that funds and pushes these models. Personally, and I have expressed this to all involved, I prefer an ownership model. Sadly, the state has no such model and in order to fund these complexes need to increase density on relatively cheap land. You will see more of this throughout the island, primarily near train stations. Some will be ok with it, some will not. In Speonk there was a general acceptance and understanding that something was going to happen at that location, so got a seat at the table. Future developers looking to down zone in the area will likely be unsuccessful.
" Jan 17, 18 7:43 AM

Sorry for spelling errors. Fat fingers on a kindle. " Jan 17, 18 7:45 AM

Ray, the 30 mill figure is combined between Speonk and Sandy Hollow.
Still high, but not 790K high. The state $ needed to keep the complexes affordable in perpetuity.
" Jan 17, 18 10:32 AM

Not entirely accurate. That property has and is being used as affordable. The N Phillips Ave corridor is slowly being transformed. Yes, that area has mostly small rental homes. As a matter of fact, a home was raided right up the road because of illegal overcrowding. So the truth is N. Phillips is not without issues, but it could be a diamond in the rough. It's going to take some time, but we can do it. I think 1st time buyers should keep an eye on it. " Jan 19, 18 12:24 PM

Pee Wee - I think you need to look into the renting/vetting criteria. Also, if that did happen, we'd scream and broadcast it to all who will listen, thus killing any chance of this model being plugged in anywhere else. The state does not want these models to fail - they have way too much invested. So perhaps you can actually give those making $36,500 - $89,000 a chance instead of condemning an end result based on a hypothesis based on inaccurate data. More, we are going to work closely with Diana Weir and Georgica Green in order to insure that the tenant selection process is honest. If it's not, we'll let everyone know. " Jan 19, 18 12:34 PM

The state and county have invested over 32 million dollars into the Sandy Hollow and Speonk complexes. That's 32 million reasons for the state and county to want to see these things succeed. The state vetting criteria is pretty strict and clear. The multiiple layers of oversight are in place as well, and in the case of Speonk, we are engaged in the process on all levels.
Screaming that either complex will devolve into drug infested slums doesn't do anyone any good. That's a fear driven reaction based on misinformation and an unwillingness to engage all of the key parties involved. In the end, causing unnecessary panic is downright negligent in that it makes the future tenants guilty of an outcome that will likely never take place.
If our greatest fears are having folks making $36,000 to $89,000 living among us, then all one needs to do is drive around and see that we already do. So let's pump the breaks on the angry rhetoric before these unsubstantiated claims morph into something worse. Regardless of how one feels about governments role in housing, Sandy and Speonk are being built. Maybe we would all be better served to get involved in the process and actually give the future tenants a chance. After all, the best outcome is success and the betterment of our communities. Sorry for the long rant. " Jan 20, 18 12:23 PM

Not saying your concerns aren't valid. We share many of the same concerns here. The point is there are some stating that the inevitable end result will be drug infested slums. I don't think that's fair, nor do I see any benefit from it. " Jan 20, 18 12:55 PM

But neither property is participating in the section 8 program. Also, the demand for these units will be so high with qualified tenants, it's doubtful that you'll ever see a need for either to have to rely on the section 8 program.
My 2 main concerns are the impact that this may have on our school. I think the Nelson Pope assessment is too low. I hope I'm wrong. I'm also concerned with the traffic issues when the train is in station. " Jan 20, 18 1:47 PM

PWH - I'm going to choose to stay positive, engaged, and base my opinions on information. I sincerely hope that you are never on the receiving end of judgment based on misinformation. Good luck. " Jan 21, 18 12:38 PM

Some debates aren't worth having, Fore1gn.
" Jan 21, 18 12:40 PM

Hampton Bays School District Files $10.6 Million Notice Of Claim Against Town Over Illegal Rentals

You insist on clinging to and broadcasting false information. I suggest that you contact the Town Housing Development office and ask how the tenant lists will be compiled, vetted, and ultimately selected. You can get involved and insist on transparency on this very issue. Our community will have eyes on the process throughout. I find that a better use of energy and time. The simple fact is you are so very wrong with your assumptions and regurgitate falsehoods to the benefit of no one. " Feb 2, 18 12:15 PM

Man I wish all posts were as rational as this one. Thank you, Ernie.
I hope that others approach this issue with the same attitude. " Feb 7, 18 5:20 PM

Southampton School Officials Nix Columbus Day In Favor Of Indigenous Peoples' Day On School Calendars

Kids learn about indigenous people and explorers in the schools. Columbus, Magellan, de Leon, etc all historical figures worth learning about. Indigenous cultures also worth learning about. Honestly, I don't think most kids sit around doing a lot of deep thinking about why they have off from school that day. More, if we are to truly and honestly examine the transgressions of Columbus or any given explorer, should we not examine how rival indigenous tribes treated one another? Some of that history reads like a horror novel. So let's be consistent and honest when applying moral standards. As a father, I will do a better job at teaching moral lessons to my kids than any school, and would rather the schools stick to teaching the history of exploration without the need for some hypothetical moral counterweight. " Feb 15, 18 10:37 AM

Kids learn about indigenous people and explorers in the schools. Columbus, Magellan, de Leon, etc all historical figures worth learning about. Indigenous cultures also worth learning about. Honestly, I don't think most kids sit around doing a lot of deep thinking about why they have off from school that day. More, if we are to truly and honestly examine the transgressions of Columbus or any given explorer, should we not examine how rival indigenous tribes treated one another? Some of that history reads like a horror novel. So let's be consistent and honest when applying moral standards. As a father, I will do a better job at teaching moral lessons to my kids than any school, and would rather the schools stick to teaching the history of exploration without the need for some hypothetical moral counterweight. " Feb 15, 18 10:49 AM

So you want the extinction of roughly 35% of the country to occur while we are all in this together, and not hurting each other? That will be the time for a singular way of thinking that will be for the betterment of all, or a universal "helping" moment. Did I get that right? " Feb 15, 18 11:19 AM

No more guilty / no less guilty. The point being the school is cherry picking morality on our behalf, and it's out of bounds. If the issue is Columbus the person, then fine, cancel Columbus Day. To counterbalance it with a supposed morally superior "holiday" or whatever you want to call it is a stretch IMO. I think this school board needs to check itself. I think the parents in that district should push back with fervor. Do we really want school boards playing judge and jury over what is or is not a socially acceptable day off? I'd fight that like wolverine. " Feb 15, 18 1:36 PM

I think you might feel differently the day this or any other board puts something on that calendar that you don't like. I don't like this precedent at all. " Feb 15, 18 2:26 PM

Good point. That said, we have the right to question our school boards decisions/policies. " Feb 15, 18 3:02 PM

UPDATE: Thousands Without Power After Heavy Snowfall Across Region

Ha. I was thinking that this could extend the ski season another week or two." Mar 12, 18 7:12 PM

East End High School Students Walk Out In Protest Of Gun Violence Wednesday

Young people peacefully protesting in an effort to bring about change. Sounds like America to me. " Mar 21, 18 9:50 AM

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