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East Quogue School Officials Plan To Pierce Tax Cap

Just responding to bubby since he raised the teacher issue I responded in kind. Today I received a mailing from Superintendent Black on the reason for piercing the tax cap. Black stated TRS (17%), ERS (20%) and Health Insurance (10%) which is beyond the schools control. Surrounding school districts face the same employee increases and are not piercing the tax cap. Perhaps sending children to Hampton Bays School District where the tuition is cheaper might be a substantial savings. Another might be doing work in house instead of using outside contractors. One example, is paying outside landscapers to do yard work when you have employees on staff. Again, why are other school districts able to stay within the cap and EQ is not? There is too much pork in the EQ school, but I doubt that will change because the EQ community has shown little interest in voting on the budgets." Mar 26, 13 3:41 PM

You asked for solutions and I gave you two. Send the children to Hampton Bay instead of Westhampton Beach. I personally witnessed leaves and debris being cleaned up on weekends by a private contractor. This has happened at least three times I am aware of, next time I will get the plates and post them here. Maybe then you will believe me. I have friends who have seen this as well. The BOE knows what goes on, they approve all this so why would I waste my time? This is the same group who wasted money on property when enrollment is declining. My neighbors and I don't want to waste our time anymore listening to the BOE propaganda." Mar 28, 13 6:39 PM

East Quogue School Board Adopts $23 Million Budget

Typical shell game at the EQ Elementary School..." May 3, 13 4:04 PM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

I happy to see the shakeup in the elite community of EQ. Nice to see new blood on the BOE board. Quality education doesn't require piercing the tax cap, nor does it mean sending our students to WHB where the tuition is much higher. There is no data in place whereas sending EQ students to WHB provides a better education. Hampton Bays provides a comparable education with diversity among the student population which WHB lacks..............along with a much cheaper price tag." May 22, 13 10:13 AM

I agree chief1........close the EQ School, save the monies on salaries, pensions, and upkeep on the EQ Elementary School. Send all the EQ children to WHB Schools. The parents want their children to attend WHB anyway....this small elementary school has become a bottomless pit for those of us who no longer have children in it." May 22, 13 10:45 AM

I agree with Chief1........if there is such a love affair with the WHB Schools ALL students should attend. Close the EQ Elementary School, the enrollment is declining anyway. No need for the property which was purchased for a possible expansion and it can be sold at a profit. How much would closing the school and sending all students to WHB save the taxpayers of EQ?????" May 22, 13 10:50 AM

I bet it is cheaper to close the EQ Elementary School and pay the tuition for between 400 - 450 students. They can all go to WHB Schools since they "appear" to be rated so high in their academic scores. Consolidation seems to be the only viable option to curtail costs associated with the EQ Elementary School Budgets." May 22, 13 12:06 PM

Apparently enough of the EQ voters felt that piercing the tax cap was not acceptable. Those in favor did not get the super majority (60%). Chief1 raised the issue of closing the EQ Elementary School and given the inability of the district to rein in costs perhaps that consolidating with WHB SHOULD be on the table. All the pension cost increases were well known over two years ago so that is not a surprise. Bad decisions, such a purchasing property next to the school when enrollment is decreasing by the BOE is one example of spending excess. These bad decisions have taken place over a number of years. How about a surcharge on the homeowners property tax bills for those who have children in the school? " May 22, 13 4:48 PM

To Bubby
Your wife is a teacher at the EQ Elementary School so your comments come with much bias. The budget vote yes signs that litter EQ along with field day, etc the day of the vote failed this time. I am surprised that the budget did fail. Comments of parents who have children in the school along with teachers dominate these posts. All those have a vested interest in seeing the budget pass do not care for those of us on a fixed income. They have their own agenda. There are many leaving EQ, with quite a number of houses for sale." May 22, 13 5:10 PM

Hey bubby, your comments to Chief1 are out of line. Personally attacking a poster in the way you did shows you have no class. Does your wife, a teacher at the EQ Elementary School teach her students to reply to other students this way when they have a dissenting opinion? " May 22, 13 6:17 PM

Bubby if you were educated you would not have made the comments in the manner you did to Chief1. You personally attacked using gutter language showing you have no class. Your wife must be ashamed of you. You can argue a point however not in the manner you did. You validate my opinion that dissenting opinions are met with personal attacks in the EQ community." May 22, 13 7:02 PM

Technically you are right......the voters approved the purchase of the property. The BOE put forth the referendum on the ballot. The need for additional space was allegedly the reason for the purchase. The BOE did not take into account that school population is declining not increasing. A report which was paid for by taxpayers attested to the expected decrease in enrollment, nonetheless the BOE went ahead with putting it on the ballot. " May 23, 13 6:14 AM

I am enrolled in the STAR program along with many of the parents who have children in the school. With that said, try and live and maintain a home on the income limits needed to qualify for additional aid. Point in fact, the senior citizens whose house the school recently purchased where unable to maintain their home. The taxes ate up most of their income so their house became uninhabitable. Look around EQ, quite a number of seniors with limited income are unable to make the basic repairs to their homes. It is still a struggle for them to live with the tax breaks given and do not want to leave EQ. The children cannot afford to remain here because of housing costs. A quality education can be given to the EQ children without the needless spending that has gone on for years in the EQ Elementary School. I am not mad at the world, but rather do not wish to remain narrow-minded. The thinking that higher school taxes equal a better education for our children is an outdated concept. Its time to think outside the box and fix the issues with spending at the EQ Elementary School. Why is it that the parents won't even consider sending students to Hampton Bays? Diversity a good thing that these same students will face when they move out into the world as young adults. " May 23, 13 6:36 AM

Hey Bubby you are doing the EQ Elementary School no favors by inciting EQ residents on this blog. Your comments reflect on your wife who is a teacher at the school. You are an embarrassment to those who want to enter into a debate without resorting to personal attacks which you seem to enjoy. There are many who view this discussion but do not themselves post on this site. You are an ignorant man for calling attention to your wife who teaches at this school. Did you ever think that you are putting her in a bad position?" May 23, 13 10:21 AM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

Perhaps, Governor Cuomo and the legislators should look into eliminating the double-dipper educators. If these educators truly care for the children they could volunteer their time at no cost to the taxpayer. We have already provided them with a hefty pension and free health care. Now that would be a novel idea. We could start with the EQ School District, any takers???" May 23, 13 10:39 AM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

Do you have a Southampton Town permit to put up your signs? :)" May 23, 13 11:55 AM

Do you have a Southampton Town permit for your sign(s)?" May 23, 13 12:00 PM

I see from a previous post that you consider signage to be litter and wanted it removed by Bridget Fleming after her victory. That might lead one to believe that to be the view of a hypocrite or is just opposing signs that you consider litter?" May 23, 13 12:31 PM

The excessive "vote yes" signs which you and others purchased are IN FACT on PUBLIC PROPERTY, not private. Along the roadway is PUBLIC PROPERTY. In front of your house is PUBLIC PROPERTY unless the signs are set back far enough to be off PUBLIC PROPERTY. Just the facts.........:-) So how about removing all your litter along PUBLIC PROPERTY. By the way in your post to Bridget Fleming you did not state "public" property was your concern when wanting the signage removed. That might lead one to believe that to be the view of a hypocrite or is it just opposing viewpoints that you object to?" May 23, 13 1:22 PM

cmac why don't you move back to Hampton Bays where you came from? You bashed Hampton Bays schools and moved here. I have been here for more than forty years and have seen many changes in this community. Both the good and bad ones including those at the EQ Elementary School. If you moved here expecting to get a private school education at the EQ Elementary School why are you surprised at the push back from those of us who have no children in the school? Instead of uniting the community including those who no longer have children in the school you alienate us. I am happy with the shakeup on the BOE, too long the same board members have been in charge. I voted for both women and know I probably won't always agree with them but just perhaps they can bring a fresh perspective to the BOE. I don't intend to be driven out by individuals such as yourself nor will I roll over and play dead when it comes to my school tax dollars. In case you haven't looked at your tax bill, almost 80% of it goes to the EQ School District. Don't pierce the tax cap and you will get your budget passed." May 23, 13 2:21 PM

cmac in a previous post.
"We were actually intelligent enough to call the Town of Southampton before purchasing the signs......."
If you purchased them YOU are responsible for putting them on PUBLIC property and they should be removed. They are littering the "public roadway." I could care less what you do on your own property, but PUBLIC PROPERTY is my business. Your spin might lead one to believe that to be the view of a hypocrite or is it just opposing viewpoints that you object to? Just the facts........please remove your little from public property. Thank You!!!" May 23, 13 2:33 PM

But what I do know is the salaries and pensions of those employed at the EQ Elementary School. For those of you who want to know the factual information go to SeeThroughNY. You can find out who is employed at the school by looking at this site. I wonder who the double-dippers are whom receive pensions AND salaries at the EQ School. Just the facts cmac & bubby." May 23, 13 4:56 PM

Don't presume to know who I am, I have never been employed by the EQ School District." May 23, 13 5:48 PM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

I'll never rest as long as I continue to pay school taxes in this district. YOU do not live in the EQ School District, but allege to have inside knowledge of what goes on in EQ. YOU give it a rest!!!" May 23, 13 5:56 PM

Don't assume that I didn't attend any of the EQ BOE meetings or budget meetings. Oh, I forgot you and others just took for granted all in the community would pass a budget that pierced the tax-cap. I guess you were wrong this time. You bash those who have a differing opinion and when we respond you have to resort to personal attacks. I refuse to hold the opinion that all has been done at the EQ School to curtail spending. Because I voice my opinion, I am accused of being bitter and having hatred for the school. I guess it is better to be one of those who silently voted against the budget. " May 23, 13 8:16 PM

Only those who have an agenda seem to post in favor of piercing the tax cap in EQ. They are employed by the school, have relatives who are employed at the school or have children in the school. I have talked to others who share the same views as I do but do not post on this site. Silently, they chose to vote......chose to elect new BOE members hoping for a change in spending at the EQ school. We may have voted NO on this tax-cap piercing budget, but there were many years that school taxes went up 7 - 9%. This was before the tax-cap was put in place. I have my prior tax bills to make a comparison though I doubt you or anyone else who was in favor of this budget will believe me. Now after many years of excess spending the school is being forced to work within a reasonable budget. I cannot support piercing the tax-cap and I never will. I stand by my opinion that your language to chief1 was uncalled for and was in the gutter. I can never support the views of anyone who would talk that way to another poster because he/she held a belief which was different from theirs. You show no class and anyone else who supports the manner in which you spoke to chief1 is cut from the same cloth.
" May 24, 13 6:34 AM

bubby I will not give it a rest of how you spoke to chief1. I found and still do what you said to be offensive and out of line. I also responded to cmac on another post about the signage issue and was told to give it a rest. Why when tax-cap budget supporters are called out they want to give it a rest? You put yourself out there as the husband of a teacher who is employed at the school with your postings. cmac put herself out there as someone who bought and put up signs in support of the budget. When one holds a differing opinion they are labeled as; a racist, bigot, bitter, hateful, and yes we should move out of EQ. Oh, I forgot also someone who used to work at EQ Elementary School and is a disgruntled former employee. SeeThroughNY is a factual site and yes salaries are part of the issue in the EQ School." May 24, 13 7:56 AM

Bubby, whether or not you and other supporters of the EQ tax-piercing budget like it, the budget did not pass. 339 individuals such as myself who live and vote in the EQ community decided enough is enough. 1000 individuals other than myself decided a change was needed on the BOE and voted the incumbent BOE member off the board. Those are the facts......" May 24, 13 9:44 AM

You have proven that as the husband of a teacher in the EQ school you support her position. I live and vote here so it is my tax dollar and I contribute to your wife's salary, pension and health benefits. Myself and 399 other residents shared the same view and voted NO on the EQ budget. I guess we are all "blind" and lack the knowledge to make intelligent decisions. I rather view our vote as not being brainwashed by propaganda at BOE meetings and mailings. Neither you nor your wife live in EQ. Perhaps, one option might be for your wife to seek employment elsewhere if SHE feels any cuts made would be unacceptable to HER." May 24, 13 10:32 AM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

OK, bubby as far as pension contributions go......when the stock market was good NYS did not take pension contributions from the school districts. Nor, did they take pension contributions from county and local governments. Rather than save the money and put it aside, all spent those monies. Now everyone wants to cry and say the NYS pension contributions have caused their problems with their budgets and that is simply not the case. These are not the same economic times and all must live within a budget and in some cases do without. Losing money in ones 401k caused many to lose their retirements, not so with public employees such as those employed by school districts. They continue to receive the same retirement as before the problems in the market. To make up the loss in the market the pension contributions now have to be made. If public employees had traditional retirements this would not be happening. Hence, the Tier's have changed to try and rein in pension costs which are choking NYS economy. NYS pensions are fully funded, therefore will be there when public employees and teachers, etc retire. This is not the case in other states across the country wherein retirees lost part and in some cases all their pensions because of the same issues we face here. " May 24, 13 10:57 AM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

bubby, so I'm a "loon" and I live a "bitter" life? I thought you said you didn't know me? I love the personal attacks that you resort to when you can't ram your self serving point down someone else's throat." May 24, 13 11:45 AM

You're starting to sound like Pee Wee Herman "now I know what you are but what am I".
I can highly recommend "Killing Kennedy" by Bill O'Reilly for you reading pleasure. You may learn something." May 24, 13 12:13 PM

Buddy Poppy Drives Are Underway On The East End

Please remember that many men and women lost their lives or were injured so that we can enjoy our freedom. Please support the veterans in your community and thank them for their service. On Memorial Day at your celebration say a prayer for them." May 24, 13 1:11 PM

Kabot Gets GOP Nod For Southampton Supervisor; Glinka and Mansfield For Council

Good luck and I look forward to an interesting campaign season." May 24, 13 1:15 PM

East Quogue Village Green Anniversary Celebration Set For Saturday, May 25

Should be a great time for all. The EQ Village Green is a wonderful place to gather with friends and family. Many thanks to the Town of Southampton Parks Department for the wonderful job they do in maintaining "the green". The workers are pleasant and very friendly to those of us who frequent the green. Kudos to the TOS Parks Department." May 24, 13 1:22 PM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

Thank you Miss K for stepping up and asking the questions that you did with respect to the EQ Elementary School. Since I've lived here for more than 40 years I can answer your question on whether or not the budget has ever not passed. One time, maybe 20 years ago it failed the 1st time around but passed the 2nd time. Since that time there have been yearly increases ranging from 6 - 12%. I am truly sorry that your child is not getting the services he/she needs and is entitled to. I can't understand why that is happening. I have spoken to other parents who have run into the same problem when their child needs help. Some school districts are better than others in providing services. It is unfortunate that WHB is not one of them. It was never my intention to get into a "pissing contest" with supporters who feel it is OK to pierce the tax cap, but nonetheless it happened. I have knowledge of the NYS Pension System, collective bargaining contracts, and from going to SeeThroughNY how many and just what the salaries are at the school. This includes the yearly increases which up until recent times have been quite high. God Bless and I hope that you will get the other answers you seek." May 25, 13 6:18 AM

That's an intelligent statement........someone who has worked their whole life now should get a part time job to pay school taxes. How about staying within the tax cap and I may consider voting yes. " May 25, 13 8:56 AM

Thank you SHP for removing the offensive comments which were made on this blog." May 27, 13 6:22 AM

cmac the Superintendent makes $190,124 from the NYS Teacher's Retirement System which includes free health care. He is one of the double dippers who now makes an additional $55,000. Not bad for part time, many people do not make this kind of money and work full time. If the those retired really care about the children they could volunteer their services instead of charging the tax payers more for their services. How many others are double dippers and working part time at the school? By the way, its just the facts......SeethroughNY." May 27, 13 9:15 AM

I agree. There were many years that they got double digit raises with little or no opposition. Now times are rough for many and some are forced to sell their homes and more off Long Island. It is not fair to those who have lived here their whole lives. The NYS Teacher's Union has become greedy and only care for themselves." May 27, 13 9:21 AM

Are you are referring to Halsey Stevens who retired from EQ and is now on the BOE of Westhampton Beach Schools? Why am I not surprised that EQ is sending their students to WHB? Why am I not surprised that his wife who also teaches at EQ Elementary was the former head of the NYS Teacher's union at the EQ Elementary? Why am I not surprised at the large teacher raises that were given at the EQ School until recently? Why am I not surprised that EQ has the LOWEST student/teacher ratio of any public school in the area? Nope, teacher salaries and pension benefits have nothing to do with the school tax rate in EQ. You might be surprised at how many do care about these issues, but choose to remain silent.....that's why they vote, NO. Why doesn't the EQ school hire newer teachers as substitutes? School politics, that why....its all for the politically connected." May 27, 13 11:21 AM

Yep, more kids are leaving EQ Elementary School for WHB. The enrollment is decreasing in EQ, why do we need so many teachers, teaching assistants, and teachers aides? Salaries, pension costs and medical costs $$$$$$$$$. Student/teacher ratio lowest in comparison to other public schools. Yes, I am in favor of the tax cap." May 27, 13 12:38 PM

quid pro quo.............." May 27, 13 12:43 PM

The fact of the matter is that enrollment in the EQ Elementary School is decreasing." May 27, 13 1:54 PM

I'm not the one who had their comment removed because it was offensive..........decreased enrollment, lowest student/teacher ratio in a public school in area, needless spending for property, higher pension costs which were known beforehand. High salaries/benefits given the student/teacher ratio. Do you think that just might have something to do with my NO vote? " May 27, 13 3:04 PM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

cmac what are the exact figures for student/teach ratio in EQ in each grade? Is it not true, that enrollment is declining? Comparing teachers to police officers is comparing apples to oranges. I am not concerned with the police officers since I do not pay 80% of my taxes to support the police like I do the EQ School. Silly goose, I should know better than suggest volunteering....the NYS Teacher's union will not allow it. Maybe you should consider increasing class size? Do we really need to give the principal a stipend as assistant superintendent? Seems to me your only alternative if the school cannot stay with the tax cap is to lay off employees. One poster pointed out the large increases in pension contributions and medical care. Less employees will allow the school to come under the tax cap because there will be no pension and health care contributions to be made. " May 27, 13 5:18 PM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

According to data published in Newsday the student/teacher ratio is 14 to 1. Are you telling me that enrollment is increasing for the EQ Elementary School? If so, the BOE Agenda's do not reflect this change in students who are attending EQ Elementary School. It is my understanding that one Kindergarten class was eliminated this year, is that true or not?" May 27, 13 5:46 PM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

Newsday stats say that there is a student/ teacher ratio of 14:1. Are you telling me that EQ Elementary School's enrollment is increasing? If so, BOE Agenda's do not reflect a 40 student increase in the past two years. It is my understanding that EQ Elementary School eliminated one Kindergarten class this year, is that true or not? Are you saying that EQ Elementary has a larger special needs student population than other districts who did not pierce the tax cap? Clearly I understand additional services for those students who need it. " May 27, 13 6:12 PM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

The data from Newsday reflects the teachers which are employed by the EQ Elementary School. Maybe they're not being utilized efficiently? How about the elimination of one kindergarten class, is that true? " May 27, 13 6:23 PM

For the second time budget supporters presume I haven't attended BOE Budget and regular BOE meetings which is not the case. Sitting and listening at meetings then following up with data from SeethroughNY, Newsday, BOE printings and the SHP have provided me with additional facts. Questions were asked, and debate followed which both sides have presented facts and opinions. Seems to me that when valid arguments are made personal attacks ensue. 99% of posters on this site either have children in the school or a relative who works for the school. Salaries, and benefits such as pension contributions and health care are indeed fodder for discussion on this blog. These costs cannot simply be a taboo subject which creates a firestorm of controversy if they are mentioned. These costs need to be reined in and if that is not possible the only other alternative is to cut staff. Asking if existing staff is being utilized efficiently seems to be another taboo subject. I have witnessed firsthand that when a senior who attended a BOE meeting voiced her concerns a parent shouted this senior down in a very rude manner. Her children graduated from EQ Elementary School and has been a lifelong resident. I chose to sit and listen because any opposing viewpoints are not welcome in the EQ Elementary School. Validation of my belief comes from the personal attacks which I have been subjected to on this blog. " May 28, 13 6:41 AM

My critique was not aimed at a particular person, but rather the system as a whole in the EQ School District. Your attacks were personal in nature, that is the difference. EQ has one elementary school, how many other schools districts have JUST ONE? I believe there is a conflict on interest wherein a former retired teacher and now BOE member votes on issues pertaining to the EQ Elementary School. His subs and his wife is also a teacher, nonetheless I am sure I will be attacked for my belief. It may be legal, but it is ethical?" May 28, 13 9:08 AM

Thanks for the compliment." May 28, 13 9:09 AM

The individual in question lives in WHB and is on the BOE for WHB and is not eligible to vote on the EQ budget. Both he and his wife are employed in the EQ district. He is retired from EQ school district and works part time at the EQ Elementary School and his wife is employed full time. It is my opinion that any vote he makes while a BOE member of WHB which pertains to the EQ district is a conflict of interest. I believe I made this clear in an earlier post. I stand corrected on other districts which only have one elementary school. How many of them found in necessary to pierce the tax cap? As I stated earlier, I support the tax cap to rein in school tax costs. Retired senior citizens should not be forced out of their homes because of school taxes which make up the majority of SHT tax bill. Nor should they be told they have time and can afford a computer and internet to get a part time to pay school taxes. " May 28, 13 10:31 AM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

According to the SHP the EQ School District was the only one in Southampton Town and East Hampton to try and pierce the tax cap. I find it hard to believe that the other districts can live within the tax cap and EQ could not. " May 28, 13 10:35 AM

East End Voters Decide On School Budgets, Board Members

I am well aware of the Seneca Falls formula and the lawsuit which was filed to collect overpayment to WHB. I am also aware that the EQ BOE makes decisions for EQ. My point was and is that any discussions/negotiations/agreements/contracts involving the EQ BOE and WHB BOE are a conflict of interest if this individual participates. Am I being clear enough? One might view any such involvement between the two districts questionable if this is happening." May 28, 13 12:02 PM

East Quogue Taxpayers Reject School Budget; Other Plans Get Passing Grades

bubby chief 1 is right your position is self serving. He brings up some good points. Myself and the other "ignorant" EQ voters voted down the EQ Budget. Guess what, we will continue to do so when we feel the need to......and its too bad either you or your wife can't vote on the next budget. " May 31, 13 4:04 PM

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