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Health care reform bill gets mixed reviews on East End

Guys, check it out -- here's what the health care legislation, recently passed with Tim Bishop's help, will do for the East End:

-- Close the "doughnut hole" and make other Medicare improvements for 112,000 people.
-- Provide coverage for 8,700 people with pre-existing conditions.
-- Tax credits and other coverage help for as many as 97,000 families and 20,000 small businesses.
-- Let 49,000 people age 26 or less be covered by their parents' plans.
-- End annual and lifetime limits on insurers' payouts.
-- End cancellations for people who get sick while insured.

And there's a lot more. Really, what's not to like? All this chatter about founding principles, pork, the claimed loss of freedom and the alleged road to socialism doesn't amount to very much when compared to the real, down-to-earth, kitchen-table benefits that families are going to see right away. Get out of Tim Bishop's way, guys! With all this working for him, he's going to roll over you in November." Apr 9, 10 1:40 PM

Congressman Bishop prepares for difficult race but remains hopeful for outcome

How many times did George W. Bush speak in front of a hand-picked, carefully screened crowd? A lot. Entirely apart from security considerations, ole Dubya didn't like unfriendly audiences one little bit. If he'd been exposed to a quarter of the abuse Tim Bishop has weathered lately, George W. Bush would have run home to Crawford and stayed there for a month, sort of like he did while New Orleans was drowning.

Say, Templar, it's more than a little inconsistent for you to speak of having a "respectful discourse" with the Congressman when in the same post, you've called him "scum, traitor, progressive, socialist, party shill, moron, idiot, fool, and kool-aid drinking boot licker." Seems like there's a bit of a disconnect there. " Apr 9, 10 2:00 PM

What's laughable, Razza, is that you apparently can't read, or choose to distort what you read. I didn't say Pres. Bush had to deal with a quarter of the abuse Rep. Bishop has taken; I wrote that IF Bush had been exposed to that level of abuse, he would have run home to Crawford, etc. Moreover, the fact that Mr. Bush is no longer president (really?), is entirely beside the point. " Apr 9, 10 3:48 PM

Templar, I know people have beaten up on Geo. W. Bush mightily, but I was talking about direct audience abuse, which is a type he didn't face very much. You and I may disagree, but I respect and appreciate your frank admission that your comments might be viewed as coarse and uncalled for. Look at the general run of comments on this site (my own included), and you'll see you're not alone in that.

I also sympathize, very much, with your need to vent -- same here. I just had to smile at the notion of a "respectful discourse" in the same post with that list of names you called the man. It's an impressively eloquent list, by the way, and equally impressive are the names you conjured up for your side: "teabagger, racist, homophobe", etc. I've always admire good cussing.

I know your frustration goes beyond the narrow issue of availability for questions, but Tim Bishop has been more available than you think. Enter "Bishop" on this site and click "Search", and you find that the second half of 2008 saw meetings in Quogue, Westhampton Beach and Montauk. 2009 saw meetings in Southampton, Setauket, Farmingville and Hampton Bays, plus two telephone town halls. These were all publicized in advance and audience questions were taken at all of them. I didn't find any in 2010.

On Bishop's health care vote, check out this 3/23/10 piece on 27east: "Health care reform's effect on New York's First Congressional District". You'll see things like closing the doughnut hole and improving Medicare for 112,000 people; guaranteeing coverage for 8,700 people with pre-existing conditions; tax credits and other coverage help to 97,000 families and 20,000 small businesses; the end of annual and lifetime limits on insurer payouts; and 49,000 young people being covered on their parents' plans to age 26. There's a lot more and it's all good. The source is the House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce, but remember that committee has both Dems and Republicans on it, so the data shouldn't be biased either way.

So suppose Tim Bishop stood at a meeting and listed these things, bang-bang-bang. What would you say? What fault would you find? If you want to know how it will be paid for, I think that's a valid concern, but if you just think this is government doing too much, I'd have to say I think government hasn't done enough, and this measure is long overdue.

But forget you and me for the moment. Look around the room at this hypothetical meeting. Look at that young family struggling to make it, those old people choosing between food and prescription medicine, that husband nursing a wife with cancer. What do you think they're going to say when Tim Bishop runs down this list of good things? They're going to love it, and they're going to remember in November who did it for them. " Apr 9, 10 4:59 PM

Health care reform bill gets mixed reviews on East End

Razza, this is where you get yourself in a bind. Every point I mentioned applies, not only in New York, but in the First Congressional District of New York, right here on the East End. The data comes from a 3/23/10 27east piece, "Health care reform's effects on New York's First Congressional District", so you are wholly wrong here. Your mistake is welcome, however, because it gives me the chance to point out that the statistics I quoted, like coverage for 8,700 people with pre-existing conditions, are East end numbers -- these are actual folks in Tim Bishop's district who will be helped, maybe even someone you know, Razza.

At the end of the piece, the source is stated to be the House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce. I'm sure you'll try to make something of this, but when you think about it, that committee is made up of both Democrats and Republicans, so the data shouldn't be biased either way. " Apr 9, 10 5:43 PM

Razza, between the releases of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce and those of our Governor-under-a-cloud (yes, I know he's a Democrat), I'll go with the Committee's stuff. Contrary to what you say, it's not just Tim Bishop's release, but that of the whole Committee, with both Dems and Republicans to keep each other honest. But even if you were right, and we already had some of these features in New York, is that a reason to oppose the legislation if it will help folks who need it in other states? I mean, how selfish can you be?" Apr 9, 10 11:02 PM

By the way, Razza, I just checked, and Tim Bishop is not even a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee which the Press names as the source of the data I quoted. Therefore, if anyone's misleading me, as you suggest and I doubt, it's not Tim Bishop." Apr 10, 10 10:42 AM

Congressman Bishop prepares for difficult race but remains hopeful for outcome

Once again, bigfresh is highly entertaining. You're not one of Colbert's writers, are you?" Apr 10, 10 3:44 PM

Yes, AlwaysLocal, "direct audience abuse". Look back at my first post on this, Apr. 9 at 2:00 PM, and it's pretty easy to see from the context that I'm talking about direct audience abuse, and not about "overall criticism", as you put it. Of course, you don't read these things with a great deal of care, since you're preoccupied with making up a vulgar comeback. I note you don't have any response to the substance of what I said, about Tim Bishop's frequent meetings and the many good points of the health care legislation. Why not? " Apr 11, 10 1:25 PM

Here's old bigfresh saying don't do any of that nasty bashing or name calling -- sort of like Tiger Woods singing "I Walk The Line"." Apr 11, 10 3:47 PM

Yeah, right on, Razza! Don't let this egghead talk like that to you. Him and his stupid facts. Push him! He won't push back. Oops, there's the bell -- recess over. " Apr 11, 10 7:58 PM

It's obvious that if we cover everybody, or almost everybody, then the folks who don't carry insurance will be getting a free ride, courtesy of the rest of us. They won't be bearing their fair share of the burden. (This is already happening when the uninsured go to emergency rooms for ordinary care, resulting in increased costs and higher premiums for the insured, but put that aside for now.)

Whether you call it a penalty or ineligibility for a tax incentive or anything else, what's wrong with making everyone pay their share by carrying insurance? A lot of people, many of them the same people who oppose the present health care legislation, strenuously criticize the free ride that they say illegal immigrants enjoy by getting government services without paying taxes for them. Again putting aside whether or not that's really the case, why don't these folks see a problem with someone getting health care for nothing while the rest of us pay?

If you know some better way than a mandate to fix this problem, let's hear it, but no rants, please, just real, thoughtful suggestions. " Apr 12, 10 9:59 AM

Assuming that's the situation in New York State, what's to be done about the people in other states? Actually, given what you're saying, it seems like New Yorkers won't be affected much by the mandate, because they have this deal. If that's right, and if you only care about us here in New York, why would you object to the mandate?" Apr 12, 10 11:47 AM

lefties ... blah blah blah ... founding fathers ... blah blah blah ... Marxists ... blah blah blah" Apr 13, 10 10:35 AM

Boys, boys, play nice! We're seeing "full and frank discussions" here, as the diplomats put it when their bosses can't agree on anything. Maybe it's just bloody hopeless, maybe no one has a prayer of persuading anyone else that we're even on the same planet, so maybe we just need to have our election contest and see where it comes out. I still think Tim Bishop and the Dems will take this health care thing to the bank when people see how much it helps them, but who knows?" Apr 13, 10 5:03 PM

Gregor still intends to seek an additional $2 million in funding to repair Southampton Town's roads

Chris Nuzzi says he is keeping an open mind about road repair. That's good. I'll also keep an open mind, and try not to conclude right away that Mr. Nuzzi and his faithful sidekick Jim Malone are just playing the old Republican game of blocking everything proposed by the new Democratic-endorsed Supervisor and Highway Superintendent. It sure seems like they have no good (non-political) reason to deny funds to Alex Gregor, when you look at the roads after this brutal winter, and when you see that the rest of the Town Board -- an Independent, a Democrat and a Republican -- supports funding the repair program, but maybe just this once, the Obstruction Twins aren't doing their usual thing. Maybe an elephant can change his trunk. Keeping an open mind, we shall see." Apr 13, 10 8:06 PM

Congressman Bishop prepares for difficult race but remains hopeful for outcome

Is everyone having a good time?" Apr 13, 10 8:52 PM

Southampton Town residents express opinions on leaf pick-up program

I'm not talking about what Chris Nuzzi & Jim Malone think, I'm talking about what Chris Nuzzi and Jim Malone did, and what they did was to cut Alex Gregor's road repair funding request by almost half. The Obstruction Twins did this even though they did not question either the accuracy of Mr. Gregor's figure or the urgent need for the work after this hard winter. For that reason, I say again, if you see roads in need of fixing that don't get fixed, blame Nuzzi & Malone, not Gregor." Apr 14, 10 9:41 AM

Financial investigation unearths $3 million deficit in Southampton Town beach fund

Jim Malone is leading so far in the competition for the Lame Defense Award of 2010, with his statement, "It's not like someone ran out the door with $3 million." OK, Jim, assuming that's true, then what happened wasn't a crime of theft. It was a crime of negligence, carelessness, reckless loss of $3 million of the people's money, but it wasn't a crime of theft. You couldn't set the bar much lower, could you? Again and again, we see what happens when one party -- in this case, the Republicans -- holds power for too long." Apr 14, 10 12:34 PM

Ok, reg rep, here you are again with your oh-so-tired talking points, but they have to be answered every time, just in case some innocents are logged on who haven't been exposed to the virus before.

Actually, your first one is new because Ms. Wright's dispute with the IRS is recent news. As soon as I read that piece and then read this one, I just knew you would try to conflate the two, and sure enough, you're doing that very thing. Of course, the one has nothing to do with the other -- we've had many public officials in this country, Republicans and Democrats, with personal tax issues and it's been irrelevant to their performance, good or bad. In addition, no one has ever found any fault with Tamara Wright's performance, so you can drop that one.

What's definitely old news is your trying to use this story to tar Anna Throne-Holst. You always try to tar Anna Throne-Holst. Your demonstrated pathological aversion to the Supervisor has led you in the past to blatant distortions and reckless name-calling, and the present attack has no more merit than all the others. It's classic reg rep, though -- blame the Republicans' wrongdoing on ATH. Hey, blame everything on ATH, right?

Finally we come to about the oldest trick in your sorry bag, "where were the democrats during the years this deficit happened?" Well, the Dems were not in the Supervisor's office -- Republicans were -- and the Supervisor is the chief financial officer of the Town. It's the Supervisor and the people who work for him/her who do the work of managing the money, or don't do it, as was the case here. Before you go pointing out that Democrats had Town Board majorities in some of these years, remember you lose all credibility when you try to blame the cops for what was done by the robbers -- I don't mean that anyone robbed us by taking the money for themselves, but I do mean they robbed us by losing our money through their criminal negligence.

It's a nasty bunch you're trying to defend, reg rep. Did you ever think they might not be worth it, that you might be doing better things than covering up for a crowd of losers who just got too cozy in office for anyone's good? " Apr 14, 10 10:39 PM

Reg rep, how about working up your own material instead of just using a mirror image of mine? (I guess, though, I should take it as some sort of compliment.) One thing, of course, that doesn't reflect my remarks is your utterly irrelevant reference to people's personal lives. Trash is what that is. There is apparently no limit to how low you will sink in the futile effort to make black out of white.

Getting back to the point of the above news article, one thing you can't change, no matter how hard you try, is that the Republicans -- Skip Heaney & Linda Kabot -- were in charge, and they lost a lot of our money. How much? $5million? $10 million? We still don't know the final number, because the bad news just keeps on coming. " Apr 15, 10 10:13 AM

Most of you are just talking generally about town officials in connection with this disaster, and that's not accurate. To be exact, this crisis was caused by the REPUBLICANS who ran the Town at that time. Remember, we owe all this bad news to the REPUBLICANS. Did I mention that it was the REPUBLICANS who are responsible for the loss of all this money?" Apr 15, 10 5:19 PM

See below." Apr 16, 10 11:10 AM

See below." Apr 16, 10 11:10 AM

Ridiculous, I'm not sure you're right about all the comptrollers during the bad times being Democrats, but let's say you are right. What does that mean? It means the Republican Supervisors deserve some credit for not restricting their job appointments to members of their own party. Remember, though, the comptroller is not elected but appointed, so party affiliation shouldn't matter in that job. It's about competence, and the elected (Republican) Supervisor was always ultimately responsible as the chief financial officer and the top Town official (the buck stops here) to see that things were done right. That's where the failures occurred.

By the way, I've stressed that the bosses responsible for these financial disasters were Republicans, which they were, but I'm perfectly willing to admit that it could go the other way. The problem is with leaving one crowd, Republican or Democratic, in office for too long. It looks like the same problem occurred with the Dems in East Hampton, but here it was the Republicans, and it still is, because the Republicans (with Conservative Jim Malone) still have a majority on the Town Board. Make no mistake, the'y're still using that majority to block necessary measures and make stealth appointments, but all that's for another story.

Reg rep, you're quite right that I can't pass up a chance to respond to you, because every time I do, I get to express my message once more, with all the facts that are so damaging to your side. So thanks very much, again. Much as I'd like to repeat them one more time, most of those facts are stated right above in answer to Ridiculous. Your continuing personal aspersions against ATH are beneath contempt and unworthy of any response beyond what I've already said.

sjd can neither spell nor express a coherent argument beyond chiming in with others, so that's the end of that. I'm old enough to remember a time when this would have been an unnecessarily cruel remark, but now we have spell check, and anyone who takes the trouble can use it. " Apr 16, 10 11:36 AM

Southampton Town Board promotes three police officers to sergeant

Bridget Fleming is being charitable in likening the Nuzzi appointment mill to "a private club". Actually, it smacks more of the old Midnight Auto Supply, stealing hubcaps by the light of the moon, with last-minute, rushed resolutions to get cronies in through the back door, in darkness. This is a complete and cynical abandonment of the Town Board's pledges, in which Mr. Nuzzi expressly joined, to have a full and open public vetting process, so that the people could have input on who serves on the appointed boards that affect our lives in so many ways. Chris Nuzzi and his friends just flat-out double-crossed the voters. What else is new?

This is really the good-old-boy Republican/Conservative back-room mentality at its worst. That Nancy Graboski joined Chris Nuzzi & Jim Malone in this betrayal is an enormous disappointment, given that Ms. Graboski has frequently demonstrated principled independence. Between this capitulation and her complicity in the recent end-run appointment of Bill Berkoski to the Planning Board, one can only speculate that Ms. Graboski has plans for when her term expires next year, and needs the help of the Republican machine to realize those plans. Too bad -- thought we had a good one there.

As for Jim Malone missing all those meetings, could it be because he never gave up that big County job of his, the way he promised to back during the campaign? " Apr 16, 10 5:58 PM

Bishop asks EPA to delay lead paint legislation

Wonders never cease, Razza, wonders never cease. Maybe next we'll see Chris Nuzzi & Jim Malone actually vote in favor of something for Southampton Town, other than a stealth appoinmtnet of one of their chums to some board." Apr 16, 10 6:03 PM

Sorry, should read "appointment". Creeping dementia." Apr 16, 10 6:04 PM

Southampton Town Board promotes three police officers to sergeant

Reg rep, of course I support Ms. Graboski when she votes with the people who advance the programs I believe in, why wouldn't I? Presumably, you support ATH when she votes with Chris Nuzzi, as she often has. You do, don't you? Or are you so consumed with irrational resentment of ATH that you can't say a good word about her even when she sides with your guys? Now, that would really be stupid. You're not that far gone, are you?

Speaking of BTW, how come you haven't addressed one word to the substance of what I said, the blatant back-tracking by Chris Nuzzi on his promise to let the people in on who gets to serve on the appointed boards? You ducked that completely. (Please respond, so I get to go through the whole thing again. The more my message is repeated, the more people it reaches.) " Apr 16, 10 6:55 PM

Nellie, it's a pretty sad commentary when you can say, "Welcome to 'the club' Ms. Fleming. What did you expect? If the shoe was on the other foot, you would be hosting your own 'club'." If you really believe that's the way it has to go, that politicians should just put their pals into jobs regardless, then your idea of democracy is lacking something. You've been a spokesperson for the Republican view on this site, so we have to assume that you're expressing the local Republican position on appointments. With friends like you, they don't need enemies. " Apr 17, 10 11:29 AM

Southampton Town negotiations with PBA advance

Town Board member Jim Malone is on this police labor relations committee, but according to the Supervisor, he has missed five out of its six meetings. How come? There was this big County job of his, Deputy Clerk or something, with such heavy responsibilities, that he talked a lot about when he was campaigning for Town Board. Oh, by the way, he also said he'd leave that job if he were elected, but has he quit? No. Could be that's why Jim Malone has had to miss so many meetings. " Apr 17, 10 11:44 AM

Gregor still intends to seek an additional $2 million in funding to repair Southampton Town's roads

No, ridiculous, how about instead they just grant the man the money he asked for, when no one questions the accuracy of his amount, when no one questions the urgent need for the work, when three members of the Town Board think he's right, when it's been the worst winter in many years (contrary to your lame-spin talk of a "couple of storms"), when the longer you let roads go the worse they get, and when it's just a poor use of Mr. Gregor's and the Town Board's time -- paid for by us -- to make him come back later and ask for more money. How about that? " Apr 17, 10 11:55 AM

Financial investigation unearths $3 million deficit in Southampton Town beach fund

Reg rep, you should know by now that every time you roll out that old car, I'm going to tell the people it's a clunker, and why. Sure we had the folks you say on the Town Board, but the fault here lies with the Republican Supervisor, Skip Heaney, as the chief financial officer of the Town, and as the top Town official, the guy to whom everyone answered, especially the accounting people who were supposed to watch the money and didn't.

Your constant reference to Dems on the Town Board overlooks the difference between the executive function (Supervisor Heaney) and the legislative function (Town Board). The Republican Supervisor's job was to take care of the money. The Town Board's job was primarily to pass laws, and only secondarily to watch over the executive branch to see if they screwed up. To blame the legislative branch for the executive's screwup is like blaming the cops when an individual breaks the law. Maybe the cops could have been more watchful, but it was the individual who committed the crucial act in the first place." Apr 17, 10 1:54 PM

Gregor still intends to seek an additional $2 million in funding to repair Southampton Town's roads

No, ridiculous, not 'just give the man the money because he asks for it', but for the six reasons that I stated and you ignored, except to deny that this was the worst winter in years. " Apr 17, 10 2:06 PM

Southampton Town Board promotes three police officers to sergeant

You make my case." Apr 18, 10 10:36 AM

Reg rep, I'm not talking about a general vote on these appointments, as I'm sure you know. The point is that last-minute resolutions for the appointment of someone don't give the public any warning. Maybe if the people knew in advance that so-and-so was to be named to a board, they'd come to the Town Board meeting and speak, but if they don't get any notice, it's the Midnight Auto Supply, and Chris Nuzzi and his crew get to pass some stooge in through the back door with little or no public comment. " Apr 18, 10 10:44 AM

Financial investigation unearths $3 million deficit in Southampton Town beach fund

Responding to Ridiculous up above (Apr. 17, 1:01 PM), you say, speaking of the Republican Financial Follies, that "much worse could have happened." Come again? The very article on which we're commenting reports a brand new $3 million-dollar loss, just now discovered. When you say much worse could have happened, you're talking as if it were over, but it's not over -- the bad news is still coming in from the Republican fiasco that keeps on taking our money.

Besides, even if it were over, I don't know about you, but I expect a lot more from my elected officials than just to keep us from "much worse" that "could have happened". That's like, say, if I were in an accident and lost a leg, and some idiot comes along and tells me it could have been much worse, I could have lost both legs. Cold comfort, right? Ridiculous, you're going to be right up there with Jim Malone in the running for this year's Lame Defense Award, he with his it's-not-like-someone-ran-out-the-door-with-$3 million, and you with your much-worse-could-have-happened. It's going to be close. " Apr 18, 10 11:06 AM

Southampton Town Board promotes three police officers to sergeant

It's that, as I said, your idea of democracy is lacking something if you think we might as well just roll over for unrestrained crony government. I'm not so naive as to think it doesn't happen, and you're right -- both sides do it -- but I believe that if we fight against it, maybe these guys will walk off with only half the store instead of the whole store." Apr 18, 10 8:55 PM

Reg rep, you sound like some kind of tricky lawyer: 'OK, we said we'd do vetting for the boards, but we didn't make any promises about appointments by walk-on resolution.' So you're saying that it's acceptable for Chris Nuzzi, who joined in the pledge to vet candidates for appointed boards openly and to have public input on these appointments, to sneak a nominee in by a last-minute surprise maneuver which prevents the people from commenting to the Town Board because they didn't know it was coming? You're saying that's alright? Wow!

Sure some Democrats were named to the various boards in previous times, but if they were brought on by this kind of sleazy tactic (which I doubt), then it was wrong, whoever did it.

I don't know why Bridget Fleming wasn't at the two meetings you say she missed. Do you know why Jim Malone missed five out of six meetings of the labor relations committee? Do you know why Jim Malone reneged on his campaign promise to leave his demanding, time-consuming job as Deputy County Clerk in order to serve on our Town Board?" Apr 19, 10 10:28 AM

Reg rep, your jaded cynicism really makes me sad. You talk about me and my "dem friends" coming to speak, as if no one else would have -- no one in the middle, and no one on your side, maybe to support the appointments. Why not?

You say the outcome on these appointments would have been the same even if people had been given notice and had come to speak against them, because of the Republican majority. So you're going on record as saying the Republicans wouldn't listen to the people. Why not?

I said above that I doubt the Democrats did it this way when they had the majority, but if they did, it was wrong, just as it is now. The difference is, we know for sure what happened just now -- the Republicans sneaked these guys in without notice for public comment, and you say it doesn't matter, because the Republicans would have ignored the public anyway. Again, wow!

You're right about why I'm on here commenting, but I think you're wrong about the reach of this site. There are many who don't post comments, but read it regularly. What I don't get is, if you really believe the audience is so small, why are you on here every day? " Apr 20, 10 1:56 PM

You have a lot of suggestions for me, reg rep -- running for office, speaking at Town Board meetings, etc. Thanks. I have one for you: Since you're not campaigning on this site (as I am), because you believe the audience is so small, and you're "just having fun" here, get a life. " Apr 21, 10 10:20 AM

This is a typical maneuver of yours, reg rep -- and of the Bush Republicans generally -- you pivot away from the substance and try to turn the focus on the other person, instead of on what they said. Apart from the fact that you have no knowledge of my activities, and no standing to suggest what they should be, why don't you just address my point: Is it really OK not to let the people know in advance about planned appointments because the Republicans on the Town Board wouldn't listen to the people anyway, even if they had notice to come and speak? That's what you said. Is that what you meant? Don't duck it, just answer the question, please. " Apr 22, 10 2:45 PM

Southampton Town comptroller works out tax lien issues

I think Nature is defining "works out" too narrowly, as meaning only that it's all over, that Ms. Wright's dispute with the IRS is completely resolved, which of course it isn't, as he points out.

Look at Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, however, and you see that the first three meanings of "work out" suggest more of an ongoing process: "to bring about by labor and exertion"; "to solve (as a problem) by a process of reasoning or calculation"; "to devise, arrange, or achieve by resolving difficulties". In view of these definitions, which are a good description of how tax audits go in the real world, I'd cut the headline writer a little slack. " Apr 22, 10 5:41 PM

Southampton Town Board promotes three police officers to sergeant

Thanks for your answer." Apr 23, 10 12:27 PM

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