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Southampton Town Highway Superintendent candidate John McGann (C,R)

It's all second- and third-hand hearsay about how Alexregor and the Highway Dept. parted ways, as far as I can tell. I admit I could be wrong about high-paying Highway Dept. jobs, but not about Highway Dept. contracts.

Terry, when you say it was "nothing that was unknown to the public", are you really saying it was common knowledge that Bill Masterson let the roads go unpaved if it didn't generate enough profit for his contractor friends? Am I reading this right?

Just for the fun of it, I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone again that it was John McGann the Ethics Board member who had his campaign workers use Highway Dept. vehicles and premises to solicit on-the-job Highway Dept. employees to attend a McGann fundraiser. As I've said before, some ethics! Also, it was John McGann the career law enforcement officer who admitted to stuffing unstamped campaign material in mailboxes, which is a federal offense. As I've said before, some law enforcement! This guy offers us neither integrity nor ability." Nov 2, 09 2:11 PM

Not pure spin, DJ, pure fact. You see, the difference is that I can quote chapter and verse for my material, and you apparently can't (I don't count "On the Beach Blog" as chapter and verse). Let me demonstrate, thus giving still more exposure to the Republicans' many sins:

[1] Masterson's sweetheart deal for paving contractors -- "The Wrong Reason", Southampton Press, 2/26/09.

[2] McGann's unethical fundraiser solicitation -- "Candidate says invitations at work were a mistake", 27east, 7/1/09.

[3] McGann's illegal mailbox stuffing -- "Eastport resident says McGann campaign illegally stuffed mailbox", 27east, 9/23/09.

I don't claim that the Press and 27east never spin things -- they sometimes do --but I don't think anyone reading these three pieces would find a lot of spin there. Check them out -- they're very entertaining, as well as being true. " Nov 2, 09 3:59 PM

Good work, Terry, happy to have real documentation, for whatever it's worth, but aren't you tripping yourself up? You said above about Alex Gregor, at 10:33 AM, "He simply stopped going to work. Never called in, never claimed an illness, He just stopped going to work." It sure doesn't sound like that's what happened, if the Town offered him two alternative positions. You don't do that for someone who just stops showing up. Regardless of whether those positions would or wouldn't have aggravated his asthma, the very fact that the Town offered them means Gregor must have told them about his condition.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you've been guilty of exaggerating the situation in your above comments. Ditto DJ, who claimed at 1:42 PM above that Gregor "made the choice to walk out without a timely and proper explanation." I know you both want to defend John McGann, but I really believe McGann's making a false accusation here, and this Southampton Press piece proves it. What this piece reports is an employer-employee dispute (in which either side may have been wrong), not the unexplained employee walkout that you and McGann are claiming." Nov 2, 09 5:00 PM

Southampton Town Highway Superintendent candidate Alex Gregor (I,D)

Lost by, uh . . .about 50 votes, and that against a long-time, handsomely financed incumbent. Not exactly a devastating loss." Nov 2, 09 5:13 PM

Southampton Town Board candidate Jim Malone (C,R,I)

Let's see, it's now 5:17 PM on the night before Election Day, and we still don't have a public statement from Jim Malone that he will work full-time for Southampton Town if he joins our Town Board. Guess he just can't let go of that big Suffolk County job." Nov 2, 09 5:19 PM

Southampton Town Board incumbent Christopher Nuzzi (R,I,C)

I'm looking at the comment by SHNative above, Oct. 29 at 8:54 PM. It's news to me that Chris Nuzzi was Special Assistant to Brookhaven Supervisor John Jay LaValle. It's also news to me that this was during a time when LaValle was implicated in behavior that caused him to resign. Is this true? Is this what people mean when they talk about the "Brookhaven scandals"? It wouldn't necessarily mean that he was involved, but is it true that Chris Nuzzi was right there in the middle of all this? Can anyone fill in a little more?" Nov 2, 09 5:30 PM

Southampton Town Highway Superintendent candidate John McGann (C,R)

Terry, you can't just stop reading the Southampton Press piece at the first paragraph, and I think you know that. Your reading here isn't spin, it's more like amputation.

DJ, I have spoken with the man, a long time ago, and what I'm saying is consistent with that. By the way, I don't hold a Republican background against anyone. Some of my best friends, etc.

" Nov 2, 09 5:41 PM

From his mouth, you say, as opposed to some other part?" Nov 3, 09 7:16 AM

Thanks, DJ. Don't forget to vote." Nov 3, 09 9:33 AM

Throne-Holst unseats Kabot as Southampton Town supervisor; Republicans maintain board majority

Despite having strong opinions, highhatsize shows himself to be one of the most consistently balanced and fair-minded commenters on this site. Let's hear it for highhatsize!

BTW, he's right on about ATH's scope being limited by the three Republican/Conservative votes on the Town Board. That's why the upcoming special election is so important as an opportunity to put a different voice in the choir. " Nov 6, 09 10:30 AM

Longtime hopefuls finally earn wins as highway superintendent, Trustee

Alex Gregor becomes the first non-Republican Highway Superintendent in memory, and Bill becomes the first non-Republican Trustee ever, as far as anyone knows. Momentous stuff, but that's all politics -- the real question is, are they any good? Most people would probably concede that Bill Pell's credentials are at least equal to those of any present Trustee, so that it sort of does come back to politics, in the sense that it can't be a bad thing to have some mix in the group, all other factors being equal.

Mr. Gregor, of course, does offer better qualifications than his opponent John McGann did. He has both practical and administrative experience, having been a worker and a boss at different times, whereas Mr. McGann, coming from a lifetime in the Sheriff's Office, offered only administrative background, and that in an unrelated field. It is also probably true that the concerted Republican attempt at character assassination of Gregor (hb61's above slander being just one example), caused a voter backlash.

At any rate, the answer is, yes, they are both good, and we are lucky to have them. Congratulations and all the best to Alex Gregor and Bill Pell. " Nov 8, 09 4:36 PM

Throne-Holst defeats Kabot; Nuzzi and Malone beat Pope and Fleming

Congratulations to all the winners, and best regards to all the losers, on both sides. Whether we agree on the issues or not, and whether the campaigns were waged fairly or not, I believe that every one of you has at least a spark of interest in the public good, and some a great deal more than that.

That's why I can't go along with crass, broad-brush negative comments like that of Etians rd above. Call me naive, but I still feel that these folks who run for public office are doing it for the most part to serve the community, and not principally for money or power. As to some of them, I may think their ideas of how to serve the community are disastrously ill-advised, but they work hard to get into office and they work hard when they get there, and we should respect that. Indiscriminate condemnation of all politicians demeans us all and undermines the good system the Founders left to us. I wonder if Etians rd bothered to vote? " Nov 9, 09 12:25 PM

Throne-Holst has aggressive agenda as next supervisor

So, after all the avowals from his supporters, after all the fervent declarations that Jim Malone had pledged to work full-time for Southampton Town if elected to our Town Board, after the snide online remarks that I was waiting for a personal letter from him, it turns out to be just as I suspected -- Jim Malone never made a direct public commitment to quit his County job if elected because he was never committed to doing that.

As reported above, as of today, "Mr. Malone is uncertain whether he will be able to sustain his job as a deputy clerk, a position he has held for two years. As a deputy clerk, Mr. Malone serves at the pleasure of County Clerk Judith Pascale and works weekdays from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m." There it is, the man never intended to quit and work full-time for Southampton.

I'm sure some will say I'm quoting out of context and ignoring the latter part of the piece, where Malone suggests the possibility of some modification to his County responsibilities, but you can't serve two masters. Ask any of the present Town Board members -- it is a 100% full-time job -- they know it, we know it, and Jim Malone knows it, too, but he's trying to have it both ways.

Mr. Malone might at least deserve credit for keeping quiet and not telling a direct lie about this during the campaign, but what he did, by letting his supporters fudge the issue, comes to the same thing. When Malone's partisans claimed that he had told the Southampton Press that he would leave the County job if he won a Town Board seat, they were either misquoting him, or, if they quoted him correctly, then he lied to the Press. Either way, he knew about it, since the claim was made repeatedly, and he allowed the deception to continue.

Jim Malone has played fast and loose with the voters, and the only way he can recover even a semblance of integrity is to resign from all Suffolk County responsibilities and go to work 100% full-time for Southampton Town. I truly wish Jim Malone well in his new office, as I do all the successful candidates, but it's hard to see how he can do well if he doesn't [1] quit the county job, and [2] get more honest with the people." Nov 11, 09 11:24 AM

Parties eye vacant Southampton Town Board seat in 2010

The best Town Board is a Town Board that represents all the people, right? So let's see, right now we have two Republicans (Nancy Graboski and Chris Nuzzi), an unaffiliated voter backed by the Democrats (Anna Throne- Holst), and a Conservative backed by the Republicans (Jim Malone). So how about a Democrat for the vacant seat? Sounds right -- after all, there are over 11,000 registered Dems in Southampton, the largest party after the Republicans. It seems these voters should have a voice.

This piece reports that Sally Pope has declined to run, but the Democrats have another excellent candidate in Bridget Fleming. Ms. Fleming offers a lot, and she's not some bleeding-heart lefty, either. Coming from a working family, she knows we all have to earn our own way and make our own opportunities. As a former prosecutor, she knows the importance of keeping order and obeying the law. As the one-time head of the DA's welfare fraud bureau, she knows how to spot tricks and cheats. As a wife and mother, she knows family needs and values. As the spouse of an independent businessman, she knows we must have a strong economy and control Town spending.

In short, Bridget Fleming is my kind of Democrat, the kind that believes in a fair shake for everyone, but no special deals for anyone, high or low. That means, for example, that all our communities have to do their share, with affordable housing, with schools, with preservation -- equal treatment across the board. It means a helping hand for those in need, but no special breaks for freeloaders or lawbreakers. It means a lot of ideas that people call progressive, but a responsible, business-oriented progressivism that knows free enterprise is vital. It means realizing that most Republicans have the same ultimate goals for the community, and working with them to get there, (but God help the few who are just in it for themselves -- no mercy for them).

Knowing Bridget Fleming, and knowing myself, I'd say this is what we both stand for. I hope she runs. " Nov 11, 09 3:24 PM

Mr. Wheeler, I've no idea what kind of "disclosure" you're implying, but I have none to make. I do, however, recognize a common ploy of yours, an attempt to shift the onus to the other fellow -- you tried it recently with another commenter, suggesting he had some "personal stake" in the issue under discussion. Sorry, but I can't even call it a nice try.

On the other hand, you're quite right about the Democrats' failing to elect Ms. Fleming last week, a result I put down to a failure to generate sufficient turnout. It's always a challenge in an off year, and we didn't meet it this time. My remarks are directed to convincing the wider electorate that it would be good to have a variety of voices on the Town Board, in the hope that they will vote accordingly in the special election. " Nov 11, 09 8:20 PM

Just a little addendum to my above comment: It's true that Bridget Fleming didn't win a seat on the Town Board, principally due to low turnout and a betrayal by the outside leadership of the Independence Party, the details of which I've related elsewhere. It's also true, however, that she went from being almost wholly unknown in the Spring to being the choice of all three local newspapers and over 5,300 voters in November, and this against two Republican candidates who were credible and very well funded. This is not what I'd call a resounding defeat. Bridget Fleming's trajectory is up, and she'll make it a real race if she goes for it. " Nov 12, 09 10:48 AM

Throne-Holst has aggressive agenda as next supervisor

There you go again, Mr. Wheeler, trying to shift the focus to the commenter instead of addressing the comment. You've attempted this before, with me and with others -- it didn't work then, and it isn't working now. Try talking about Jim Malone's deception regarding his County job -- that's the issue I raised." Nov 12, 09 11:18 PM

Parties eye vacant Southampton Town Board seat in 2010

The Linda Kabot comparison is a good line, Mr. Wheeler, but it doesn't scan. I never presented low turnout as an excuse. If you read my comment immediately preceding the last one, you'd know I said the Democrats failed to meet the challenge of generating sufficient turnout. That's not an excuse, that's saying we fell short. As far as the Independence Party is concerned, if you paid attention to the Southampton Town election results, you'd know that with the sole exception of Fred Havemeyer, every candidate who had the Independence line won, and every candidate who didn't have it lost. That's not an excuse or a rationalization, that's a fact. " Nov 12, 09 11:35 PM

Southampton Town Board members mum on budget amendments

Regarding the early retirement incentive, Anna Throne-Holst seems to be applying market economics to the matter, i.e., if only 9 of 56 senior employees have taken the package (out of a hoped-for 20), then the only way to increase the acceptance rate is to up the ante, as she proposes, from $500 a year to $1000 a year. Makes sense to me, considering the tremendous savings to be gained from 20 early retirements all at once.

Regarding the deficit bond proposal, it's a choice between borrowing money and raising taxes. Neither one is attractive, but reality dictates that one or the other must be done. I'd go with the borrowing, if Ms. Throne-Holst is correct that it would be OK with the rating agencies. Ms. Kabot, on the other hand, says the borrowing would "severely hurt" the Town's credit rating. One of them has to be wrong. " Nov 18, 09 1:59 PM

Throne-Holst has aggressive agenda as next supervisor

Here it is nine days since ths piece by Brian Finlayson was posted, reporting that Jim Malone is "uncertain whether he will be able to sustain his job as a deputy clerk" for Suffolk County after he joins the Southampton Town Board, and still he hasn't come clean with the people. (See first comment above.)

Jim Malone needs to tell us if he's going to leave this big County job, in which, by his statement, he manages over 130 government employees and handles millions of dollars per year, and instead devote full time to Southampton, because that's what the Town Board position requires. He can't do both, and if he tries, he will betray the voters.

So how about it, Mr. Malone? What's it going to be, Suffolk County or Southampton?" Nov 20, 09 4:01 PM

Southampton Republican Party screens candidates for vacant seat

Hey, Mr. Finlayson, if you're going to write about both Democratic and Republican party matters, how about mentioning both in the headline? Seems that would be more accurate and give the reader a better idea of what's in the story. " Dec 8, 09 4:29 PM

Zappone to be appointed deputy supervisor of Southampton Town

To return to the above news story, tiresome as that may be for some, Frank Zappone is a great pick as Deputy Supervisor, and I wish him all the best." Dec 20, 09 4:50 PM

Southampton Town comptroller reappointment thwarted

I'm in full agreement with all the preceding comments. How often does that happen? What do you think it means when everyone who's commenting says the same thing? What do you think it means when Frank Wheeler and I, who agree on almost nothing, agree on this one?

It means that these guys -- Chris Nuzzi and Jim Malone -- are even worse than we expected. It means they are doing everything they can to sabotage not only the Throne-Holst administration, but the very fiscal integrity of Southampton Town, to say nothing of the Planning Board function, which we already knew they would undermine however they could.

It means, friends, that we urgently need an independent voice on the Southampton Town Board -- we need a Democrat to stand firm against these good-old-boy Republican/Conservative machine politicians before they whitewash all the financial shenanigans that have nearly destroyed us, and before they hand over what little open space we have left to rapacious developers. Her name is Bridget Fleming, and she deserves our support in the special election on March 9. Get out and vote! " Jan 13, 10 5:54 PM

Southampton Town Comptroller Wright reappointed

"It was not immediately clear why Mr. Malone and Mr. Nuzzi changed their positions." Well, it's abundantly clear to me. Mr. Malone and Mr. Nuzzi, seeing that they did not have the support of Ms. Graboski to block the excellent Ms. Wright's reappointment, at first abstained on that resolution in an effort to run out the clock, hoping that the March 9 special election would yield yet another Republican/Conservative on the Town Board to join them in obscuring the Town's sorry financial history from the people. As it turned out, however, even these deeply cynical politicians realized that their maneuver was so transparent and so contrived that they had to dump it rather than be exposed for the schemers they are. " Feb 1, 10 2:23 PM

DJII13, if you, or Mr. Malone, or Mr. Nuzzi, can state to us any reasonable question that existed respecting Ms. Wright's reappointment at the time they abstained, I'll be very surprised. The reason it would surprise me is that Ms. Wright has so far delivered an arguably flawless performance as Comptroller, and it's difficult to imagine any valid reservation that anyone could have about keeping her on. On the other hand, from a purely political viewpoint, Messrs. Nuzzi and Malone would naturally be inclined to shield the Republican organization and its recent officeholders from the storm of criticism that will no doubt result from Ms. Wright's continuing efforts to get at the fiscal truth." Feb 1, 10 4:49 PM

Developer still wants to build 60 condos in Speonk

Maybe this explains why Chris Nuzzi, Jim Malone and Nancy Graboski were so anxious to get the business-friendly Bill Berkoski on the Planning Board, blithely abandoning their promise to interview widely in a transparent process, completely ignoring the unanimous public outcry against the bulldozed Berkoski appointment, and throwing overboard Mr. Nuzzi's earlier cant about "professionalizing" the Planning Board. This is some crowd. If we add yet another one like this to the Town Board on March 9, we'll really be sunk. I'm voting for Bridget Fleming in the special election, just so the Supervisor has at least one ally against this gang. " Feb 1, 10 5:00 PM

Southampton Town Planning Board balks at plans for Speonk condos

If by that, Terry, you mean the Planning Board has gotten it right for a change (as in maybe the first time in about five years), you're quite correct. You call it a "Whining Campaign"; I call it demanding that the Planning Board do the job they're paid to do." Feb 5, 10 4:18 PM

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