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Apr 16, 2014 10:28 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Woman Hoping Local Cops Can Be Educated About Breastfeeding

Apr 16, 2014 11:27 AM

A Westhampton woman said she plans to file a complaint with the Riverhead Town Police Department after an officer on Monday ordered her to stop breastfeeding her child in a car on a private street—an activity state law specifically allows.

According to Andrea Zeledon, the incident in question happened on Monday night in Wading River, and she is hoping that, in the future, police officers in general will be better trained to deal with nursing mothers. She said she intends to file an official complaint with Riverhead Town Police to try to help other women who might feel threatened while feeding their babies.

“My reason for wanting this to get out there is, one, I think that this officer, and every officer, should be trained not to say anything,” Ms. Zeledon said. “And, two, I don’t understand how someone can actually do something like this to someone who is doing something so natural as breastfeeding a baby.”

Ms. Zeledon said she had called the Riverhead Town Police to a Wading River residence to file a report against an acquaintance who she said was violating a court order. The officer arrived on scene, and Ms. Zeledon remained outside in her car with her children, 12-year-old Richard and her 9-week-old daughter, Sophia, while a report was written.

While she was waiting in the car, her daughter became fussy, so Ms. Zeledon said she remained in the car and started to breastfeed. When the officer—who she said had been very polite and helpful until then—returned to the car and observed her breastfeeding the baby, she said he told her to “put that away.”

Taken aback, she said she reminded the officer that it is illegal, under New York State law, to ask a woman who is breastfeeding a child to stop. Out of courtesy, she said she would cover up—to which the officer allegedly responded, “I’m not going to ask you again.” She complied.

“I was in my car,” Ms. Zeledon said. “If I was in a park or at a baseball game, I could understand a little better—I’ve been to sporting events, and I won’t breastfeed there—but for a grown man of a legal caliber of authority to come and intimidate you in that way, and to tell you, ‘I don’t want to have to tell you again,’ that is inappropriate,” she said. “I honestly thought at the time that if I didn’t cover up, he was going to arrest me.”

According to New York State Penal Code 79-e, women have the right to nurse babies in public and should not be told to cover up or leave: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother may breast feed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether or not the nipple of the mother’s breast is covered during or incidental to the breast feeding.”

Riverhead Police Chief David J. Hegermiller said this week he was not aware of the situation but he has reached out to Ms. Zeledon.

Ms. Zeledon said she is consulting with a lawyer about the incident and plans to file a complaint this week. She noted that she called the chief’s office on Tuesday, and although someone from the office called her back, she was not home at the time and had not yet spoken to the chief.

“I wanted to bring attention to this, and I want the police department to take some kind of measure to educate these men and women about sensitivities surrounding breastfeeding,” Ms. Zeledon said. “I want to talk to the chief, because although his officer was otherwise completely courteous and helpful, someone in a position of authority like that should have a little bit of education on the matter.”

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By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 16, 14 1:29 PM
educate cops? ain't nobody got time for that.
By user.name (46), the jungle on Apr 16, 14 2:18 PM
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Unbelievable. I hope the officer is very quickly educated and/or disciplined asap. It is indeed against the law (and over the top rude) for anyone to tell a mother not to nurse her child in any place she is otherwise allowed to be. Way to go, Ms. Zeledon!
By ElizabethSchmitt (3), Springs, New York on Apr 16, 14 2:32 PM
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what is his side of the story? u sound like a nut job bringing two children into a potentially violent situation.
By politcal pawn (121), Flanders on Apr 16, 14 6:27 PM
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Now the breast is public enemy number 1! It's amazing that civilization has survived this long with so much attention on breastfeeding. Seriously people lets relax and move on, a baby has to eat.
By peacemaker (23), Sag Harbor on Apr 16, 14 6:53 PM
Not illegal to ask the woman to stop. The statute only permits mom to feed baby. It does not say that someone can't ask her to stop. Great job reporting false and inflammatory information. Typical.
By 290 (8), Southampton on Apr 16, 14 8:09 PM
I would be curious to know whether the officer was stopping a mother from feeding a baby as part of his duty to protect or to serve? If a person needs to be better trained so as to mind their own business when a mother is nursing a baby, it should be clear that person is not equipped to be a police officer in the first place.
By Beach Grass (7), Westhampton Beach on Apr 16, 14 8:09 PM
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By Jaws (245), Amity Island on Apr 16, 14 9:02 PM
ok, folks. I side with the officer and here is why...The woman called the police to file a report. The officer arrives to conduct official business. Upon approaching the woman to talk to her in her car, he finds her breastfeeding and potentially has one or both breast exposed.The Officer now needs to avoid putting himself in a possible "sexual" situation that could be her word against his. she could have accused the officer of staring, gawking, or something else. He was in the right to ask her to ...more
By Jaws (245), Amity Island on Apr 16, 14 8:52 PM
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I started reading this but stopped as I really prefer non-fiction.
By Beach Grass (7), Westhampton Beach on Apr 17, 14 5:58 AM
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no phil, it was my opinion of what the officer may have thought of the situation and I did not refer to breastfeeding as a sexual act. I don't believe she had her breast covered while feeding. That's why the officer asked her to put them away. She has already accused him of something and she could very well accuse him of other things. her word against his. I saw her on News12 tonight on the same story. in my opinion, she's looking to make a quick buck with a case against the officer.
By Jaws (245), Amity Island on Apr 21, 14 11:00 PM
do even bother explaining it to him he gets what your saying just wants to stir the pot
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 22, 14 1:55 PM
This country is really becoming crazy with things they think are ok. Legalize pot, have your breasts hang out, two men and two women can be married. The morals of this country are virtually non existent!
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 16, 14 9:49 PM
I hear ya man, this county is really going down the tubes. We have blm bearing down on a lone rancher because his cows are eating some grass and kops forcing women to stop feeding their babies and then anonymous posters going on websites to characterize breastfeeding as ''have your breasts hang out''. To top it off, you slip in a dig at gay marriage. Sounds like hate beats love in your world. Enjoy that, I hear that tends to work out well.
By Beach Grass (7), Westhampton Beach on Apr 17, 14 5:56 AM
Sure thing, Chief. Seeing as you re completely familiar with the reasons cannabis were first made illegal. Someone should have told Mrrs Washington and Jefferson about the dangers of said plant.
Then we move on to the horrible act of a woman breastfeeding a child. hmmm, when did THAT kind of behavior star? (Must have been them dang hippies with all that back to nature boloney.)
Thanks for reminding us of the abomination of two people who love each other living together and getting the ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 17, 14 12:50 PM
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Good to know that Puritanism is alive and well in the 21st century
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 17, 14 8:54 AM
Its not about Puritanism its about having some class
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Apr 22, 14 1:57 PM
I was referring to several of the comments on this page, which exhibit zero class.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Apr 24, 14 4:59 PM
If the officer felt uncomfortable then wait until the child is finished. It is at best 15 minutes. BTW burping a baby is not beating and abuse. Let's just nip that in the bud (puns intended)!
By Hambone (514), New York on Apr 17, 14 9:17 AM
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This country has a 65 % divorce rate, largest prison population, most murders of any civil society, and you think society is ok in this country? Not to mention we are trillions in debt that we can never repay, and are taxing the hell out of everyone. Sure we are on the right path. Lol
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 17, 14 11:00 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 18, 14 11:11 AM
The actual divorce rate is 40-50%
Yep 2 mil in jail, how many for ridiculous drug laws?
And yes, homosexuals, a part of our community since day 1, are permitted to marry.
And that has what to do with your puritanical response on a woman breast feeding?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 18, 14 12:23 PM
Maybe chief needs a refresher in economics:

Capital in the Twenty-First Century, by Thomas Piketty
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 18, 14 4:10 PM
A woman breastfeeding a baby does not have her breasts exposed. She covers up with a shawl or a sweater drawn over the baby. A woman sitting near me in a diner was feeding her child and it was hard to tell she was doing it. Women have been doing it discretely for eons or we all wouldn't be here today.
By oystercatcher (126), southampton on Apr 17, 14 11:38 PM
I have a six month old and my wife needs to breast feed basically hourly. A breast fed baby becomes more than "fussy"- they become inconsolable if not fed. Anyone who equates breast feeding a baby with a "sexual act" ought to have their head examined. Thats a sick way of looking at what has been a socially acceptable behavior for thousands of years. Sadly, someone who equates breast feeding to the downfall of society- and tosses gay marriage and, uh, the debt of the country?- into the mix is probably ...more
By Ajvia (1), Riverhead on Apr 19, 14 10:33 PM
You ain't in Kansas anymore Ajvia, this is Long Island. It is densely populated. If you know what I mean. Real dense.
By Sandy I Duncan (7), southampton on Apr 20, 14 6:37 AM
A Stock Phrase referencing The Wizard of Oz, used to express the realization that the character is in a completely unfamiliar (or indeed otherwordly) place.

The original quote was "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore." But it is sometimes misquoted as "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto." Many other variations exist. Hope that helps.
By Sandy I Duncan (7), southampton on Apr 20, 14 12:11 PM
Teddy Roosevelt: Speech at Osawatomie, Kansas (1910)

We come here today to commemorate one of the epoch-making events of the long struggle for the rights of man--the long struggle for the uplift of humanity. Our country--this great Republic-means nothing unless it means the triumph of a real democracy, the triumph of popular government, and, in the long run, of an economic system under which each man shall be guaranteed the opportunity to show the best that there is in him. That is why ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 21, 14 11:33 PM
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The point of my comment is that this woman called the police to file a criminal report against someone. She decides she is going to stay in her car and breast feed. The officer doesn't have time to wait for this woman to breast feed. His job is to file this ladies statement and move on. She should be ashamed to twist what went on and blame the officer. If you call the police pay attention, and be ready to give your statement. Your child is not going to starve if you wait an extra ten minutes to ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 20, 14 9:36 AM
"If you call the police pay attention and be ready to give your statement?"

We all can determine the point of your comment on our own. In fact, I'll post it again for everyone to see, so they can formulate their own opinion about what you were saying.

"This country is really becoming crazy with things they think are ok. Legalize pot, have your breasts hang out, two men and two women can be married. The morals of this country are virtually non existent!"

you went on ...more
By Sandy I Duncan (7), southampton on Apr 21, 14 6:24 AM
You do realize one can nurse a baby and do other things at the same time. She didn't ask the officer to wait, she was ready to give her statement while baby was nursing (as opposed to trying to carry any kind of conversation over the sound of a screaming hungry infant.) The only person who was holding up the police officer was the police officer.
By ElizabethSchmitt (3), Springs, New York on Apr 21, 14 9:15 AM
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By IMO, EAST HAMPTON on May 15, 14 10:27 PM
Enough about the police officer behaving badly, breaking the law etc. He asked the woman to please cover up while he was there. He did not ask her to stop feeding or put the thing away. Maybe the officers side of the story would be FAIR????? Talk about convicting before a trial..geeze people get a life. And yes I have 2 children so I do understand nursing and a mother's rights. However I would not nurse in front of anyone that was uncomfortable.
By Bouttime (2), Hampton Bays on Apr 21, 14 9:33 AM
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of coarse we wouldn't btime , i guess we were raised differently
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Apr 22, 14 2:03 PM
My point about morals is everyone wants to push their agenda. When you call the cops focus on whatever you called them for. I'm tired of people pushing their ideas of correct behavior on me. I don't care if you breast feed, if you want to smoke pot or marry your girlfriend and you are a woman. I think it is wrong that's my opinion, and stop jamming all this nonsense down our throats!
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 21, 14 2:25 PM
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Get used to it Chief. Its not 1957. And you made no point about morals except your own. You are judgmental of others not sharing your view of the world.
No one is jamming anything down "our" throats. Change is inevitable, And no one is pushing their ideas of correct behavior on you. You just live in your own special world, don't you?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 21, 14 4:35 PM
its you that is living in a special world blank. omg have some decency not everything has to be on view for the world just so you can advance your progressive agenda. if a man wants to (well you know) with another man fine just do it in private please and thank you in advance for your respect
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Apr 22, 14 2:09 PM
I don't know just what a man "wants to (you know) with another man" involves. But I'm thinking it really doesn't equate with a woman breastfeeding a baby. (you have a really dirty mind) No where did it say how exposed the woman was. If she is being modest about doing it, I certainly don't have a problem with it.
A lot of guys are just not used to seeing it, and does cause a bit of embarrassment. Its no biggie, just something to deal with.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 3:26 PM
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Well Erin, I'm sure the community in question would care not for you to inject your religious based belief structure into a civil environment regarding relationships or public displays of affection. It's what's called "unconstitutional".

Thanks for playing...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 22, 14 3:57 PM
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Its my opinion, and I have the right to one. I'm not judging anyone . The problem with Blank is he is a web stalker, and follows me around this site. Go away Blank I will never believe in your lack of morals.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 21, 14 7:02 PM
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you, right?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 21, 14 7:25 PM
"Blank I will never believe in your lack of morals" Thanks for the compliment.

I don't know what a web stalker is, but I do know that every time you post, your inane statements just beg for a response from a voice of reason. Of course you have the right to your opinion. No one has said otherwise. But when that opinion indicates that you yearn for a simplistic time when social issues were ignored by the mainstream at the expense of the minority, you label yourself as simple and uninformed.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 21, 14 9:52 PM
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Oh now I'm against minorities? I have nothing against minorities. There are plenty of people in this country that have conservative ideas. The fact is more than half the people in this country have conservative views.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 22, 14 8:39 AM
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You don't get it and likely never will.
More than half, eh? So how did that work out for Sen. McCain and Gov Romney?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 11:43 AM
So them there conservatives, they taught the libs a lesson by not voting for someone not far enough to the right?
Smart thinkin'
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 12:56 PM
Nobody ever blamed the voters for being smart;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 1:03 PM
Blank watch and learn how this mid term election will go. You will watch the re birth of Conservatism do to the fact the country is headed into the sewer. It will be similar to the Jimmy Carter days when people saw the results of Liberalism.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 22, 14 5:49 PM
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Oh man, I remember when I thought that.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 5:55 PM
Why is there going to be a rebirth if more than half the country are already conservatives?

"do" should be "due" I've pointed this out to you before. Now pay attention!

What "results of liberalism" did we see during the Carter years?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 9:55 PM
Thanks for the correction Blank. The result of the Carter years was Reagan putting this country back on track. You're still being a bully Blank and you are the type that likes ramming flawed ideas down our throats.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 23, 14 8:12 AM
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Reagan has left the nation stronger, more prosperous, and more confident than he found it. Yet it will be difficult to argue that he has achieved greatness.
-Alonzo L. Hamby

By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Apr 25, 14 12:41 AM
Reagan left this country mired in mounting debt, scandal, and appointed Alan "I found a flaw" Greenspan to head the Federal Reserve.

I think the guy had more than Alzheimer's...
Apr 25, 14 12:56 AM appended by Mr. Z
@ Cap'n America: When you roll 1.4 trillion dollars in fiat currency out of the doors of the Treasury/Federal Reserve in about ten years, you get the ILLUSION of a successful economy, and the inevitable result is an economic bubble. Especially when speculation is not properly regulated. And much to your chagrin I'm sure, Reagan laid the foundation for the 2008 meltdown with many decisions including the appointments of Alan Greenspan, and Wendy Gramm. Wendy Gramm is responsible for the change in CFTC policy which changed the definition of a physical hedger, and has allowed speculation to run rampantly out of control. Let's not forget Regan's close relationship with Donald Regan, whom he appointed Secretary of the Treasury, and whose Mellonomics style policies put us on the road to the next "Great Depression". Unfortunately, if there was no "bailout", that's where we'd be. Standing in bread lines.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 25, 14 12:56 AM
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Oh Phil phil phil " There You Go Again"
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Apr 25, 14 9:21 AM
You do recall an event called the Oil Crisis, yes? There was some nasty fallout from that as I recall. The end of Bretton Woods lingered for many years as well.

Carter, like Obama was left one h*** of a ****** mess.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 25, 14 11:11 PM
" The result of the Carter years was Reagan putting this country back on track." huh?
How so? What policies of the Carter years required that President Reagan put this country back on track? details!!

" You're still being a bully Blank and you are the type that likes ramming flawed ideas down our throats." I'm not. I just ask you for qualifiers on your statements and I get more babble. What ideas am I ramming down anyones throat?
Have a pleasant day.



By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 14 1:28 PM
Attorney General Eric Holder canceled an appearance before the Oklahoma City Police Department’s graduating cadet class Thursday amid angry protests over his scheduled visit.

Mr. Holder was expected to deliver remarks at the afternoon graduation ceremony, according to his official itinerary sent out by the Justice Department Thursday morning.
A Justice Department spokesman denied that the trip was canceled because of the possibility of a hostile reception.



Apr 24, 14 11:24 PM appended by They call me
That lawyer needs to be in an orange jumpsuit with numbers under his chin. He can give all the speeches he wants from a Super Max
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 24, 14 11:24 PM
Does the term MISERY INDEX ring a bell. Spiraling inflation, Iran holding our citizens hostage, energy crisis, interest rates in the double digits, Carter was a good prez! Right, after Barak Hussein Obama , Carter is the second worst president in our great nation's history.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 25, 14 6:19 AM
Wrong.

Worst president EVER: Franklin Pierce. And for "spiraling inflation" that would be the policies of Alan Greenspan, appointed by none other than Mr. Bechtel/HUD rigging scandal/Iran-Contra himself, Ronald Reagan. Reagan also appointed Wendy Gramm to head the CFTC via nepotism by proxy. Her policies have allowed speculation to run rampant, and commodities prices to go through the roof.

Despite the Reagan myth, we have not had a decent POTUS since Eisenhower.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 25, 14 7:53 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"So you want to lay personal blame on Reagan, for decisions of someone (corrupt or not) appointed to the CFTC in 1988? ... Hold the person accountable who did the crime. Not the person several degrees of separation away."
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So we shouldn't hold Ronald Reagan accountable for the commodities bubble disaster and the CMO apocalypse because he ONLY appointed the chairmen (Wendy ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 25, 14 12:01 PM
The buck stops with Reagan. He appointed Donald Regan. He appointed Wendy Gramm. He appointed Alan Greenspan. He let them change rules which have damaged us all. He appointed them, and knew how "free market" each one was. Reagan slashed taxes, then engaged in deficit spending. The President signs the budgets, no?

Donald Regan had The Gipper eating out of his hand.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 25, 14 11:01 PM
When Clinton signed that legislation, he was listening to the same folly that Reagan listened to which resulted in deregulation and scandal, and I do blame Clinton for his heinous mistake in such regard.

If the buck stops with Obama like it is alleged so often it should, then even Saint Ronnie is not immune for granting Wall Street a free license to steal and pillage.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 26, 14 6:38 PM
The Smithsonian should study you regulars. It's amazing to see the evolution of an article about breastfeeding meander , while getting through a few random political teases by Mr. Z and then this::

You don't get it and likely never will.
More than half, eh? So how did that work out for Sen. McCain and Gov Romney?
By But I'm a blank! (640), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 14 11:43 AM
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then Ronald Regan, Donald Regan,Carter, Roosevelt.....you're ...more
By Sandy I Duncan (7), southampton on Apr 26, 14 6:34 AM
^ check out the new guy trying to make sense of internet postings.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 14 10:54 AM
Addicted?

To debate, knowledge, and truth; absolutely 100%.


“If I were to remain silent, I'd be guilty of complicity.”

~ Albert Einstein

"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence."

~ Leonardo da Vinci
Apr 26, 14 7:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, it looks like ol' chiefy took this one off the rails all by his lonesome. Haven't you ever read something so dumb, that it simply required a retort? From the looks of the above posts, you have...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 26, 14 7:08 PM
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Thank you masked man . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 27, 14 5:37 AM
"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

~anon

"It's good to shut up sometimes"

~Marcel Marceau

"Much talking is the cause of danger. Silence is the means of avoiding misfortune. The talkative parrot is shut up in a cage. Other birds, without speech, fly freely about."

~Saskya Pandita

By Sandy I Duncan (7), southampton on Apr 27, 14 6:18 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

" [T]he standard to which we hold our elected leaders accountable has most certainly been degraded by the cultish, rock star God-like persona placed upon him by the corrupt media and His followers."
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Specious Right-Wing extremist cant. We supporters of President Obama recognize his fallibility even as we laud his successes. It in only the Tea Party drones ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 27, 14 5:09 PM
Becuase " WE ARE THE PEOPLE WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR "
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 6:27 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..." *
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Excerpted from the noble aspirations (as befits a presidential candidate) expressed by President Obama that exemplify his concern with the legacy that we leave our children. To be contrasted with the solipsistic, mean-spirited and myopic ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 28, 14 12:36 PM
You know whats mean HHS. You in my Pocket! Stick you guilt.
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Apr 28, 14 6:28 PM
I had forgot about that self absorbed egotistical display of swag,

Complete with Greek columns,

I have never seen such a narcissistic empty suit.

Thanks for reminding us Cap/Dan
By They call me (2826), southampton on Apr 28, 14 6:40 PM
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You forgot most Transparant... ROTFL
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Apr 28, 14 7:12 PM
to Captn America:

The "epiphany" quote (which you misquoted, by the way) is from a speech that the President made to a group of Dartmouth College students who have the intelligence and the sense of humor to appreciate a JOKE. It is no wonder that it was lost on you.

Moreover, you mendaciously accuse the president of "14 lies" without identifying them for fear of yet another damning rebuttal. Grow a pair.

to 27dan:

Thank you for reiterating, lest we forget, your ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 29, 14 11:24 AM
to Captn America:

Your perception of reality has passed beyond the pall. Now, all opinions that contradict your own naked assertions are "lies". Take care. While redefining reality may seem a plausible alternative when one cannot find objective fact or is unable to construct a reasoned argument in support of one's claim, your eccentricity is rendering you incomprehensible. If you start having conversations in public that only you can understand (as you are on this forum), people will ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 30, 14 11:44 AM
"smoking gun" found in newly released administration emails about spinning the Benghazi attack.ABC's Diane Sawyer: White House "Feeling The Heat" Over New Benghazi RevelationsNew Benghazi Docs A "Game Changer"Attkisson: Benghazi Narrative Shows Officials "Were All Reading From The Same Page" it's a smoking gun... it certainly was the message that was put out by Hillary Clinton when she spoke to the families on the return of the bodies when she said we'll go after the guy that made that awful video. ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 1, 14 2:34 AM
The right's Benghazi BS is falling apart.
Right in front of the voters.

As for the rest, nothing is sticking to the President.
It's all political theatre by the right.
They haven't done a thing to improve this country in the last four years- all they've done is what we see here.
Obstruct, lie, fabricate and not back up what they post.
I'm still waiting for answers to several questions; I guess that means that they'll start harping about abortion again. Every time they ...more
May 2, 14 1:57 AM appended by joe hampton
By philathome (7772), Southampton on May 15, 13 7:08 PM
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 2, 14 1:57 AM
"Dude, This Was Like Two Years Ago'
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 2, 14 6:35 AM
" DUDE, I ASSURE YOU, THE EDITS MADE TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT WERE ONLY STYLISTIC IN NATURE "
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 2, 14 2:25 PM
We do not need to hear from Phil he has already extensively weighed in on the topic... So we can just review his statements hear and discus them with no participation necessary on his part what so ever...

"None of it is proven. Just the continuation of the right wing smear machine.
Nothing has ever been proven."
By philathome (7775), Southampton on May 20, 13 2:08 PM

There are no scandals just manufactured outrage The facts are that there has been no connection made to ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 2, 14 1:11 PM
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CHICAGO FRIED CROW,

ORIGINAL RECIPE!
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 2, 14 1:35 PM
In other news,

92,594,000: AMERICANS NOT WORKING HITS RECORD...

Women Not in Labor Force Hits Record High...

Unemployment plummets to 6.3%...

Eric Holder still refusing to take action against Lois Lerner for abuse of power Even with Congress holding her in contempt ! Citizens demand impeachment of Holder now!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 2, 14 2:08 PM
Like Hilary said, " WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE "
May 2, 14 5:22 PM appended by 27dan
BOEHNER FINALLY CAVES, WILL APPOINT SPECIAL COMMITTEE The Benghazi controversy took on a new twist today when Representative Darrell Issa issued a subpoena for Secretary of State John Kerry to testify before the House Oversight... After more than a year of resisting the calls of a vast majority of his conference, Speaker John Boehner is relenting and forming a special committee to investigate the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya and resulting scandal. “The administration's withholding of documents emails showing greater White House involvement in misleading the American people is a flagrant violation of trust and undermines the basic principles of oversight upon which our system of government is built. And it forces us to ask the question, what else about Benghazi is the Obama administration still hiding from the American people?” Boehner said in a statement announcing the decision. “The new emails released this week were the straw that broke the camel’s back,” a senior GOP leadership aide said. “The Speaker was furious to learn that the administration withheld relevant documents from a congressional subpoena. He’s sick and tired of this evasion and obstruction from the administration, and wants a solution to finally force accountability, get the truth, and provide justice.”
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 2, 14 5:22 PM
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The FACTS are not disputable, there was a cover up, your boy's lackeys got caught. What remains to be seen is if Barry Soetoro can weasel His way out of this.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 3, 14 7:21 AM
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only a true nut would go down with this ship
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 3, 14 8:54 AM
While you are researching the link phil provided , Please scroll down to the cartoon that explains how Ben Rhodes Key obama adviser on Benghazi (Lies) has a brother David Rhoes who is the president of CBS and was instrumental in the firing of Sharyl Attkisson the Award winning journalist who was fired from CBS for her truthful reporting on Benghazi,

Thanks phil for providing a link that shows us how the cover up even reaches into CBS as well
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 4, 14 12:53 PM
lol, you guys are right if this was the best wonder brain could come up with it looks pretty bad for team blue, Welcome to the team P
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 4, 14 3:19 PM
Come on, You had a high administration official going on all five Sunday shows. This never happened in the Bush or Clinton administration. Of coarse it was about Benghazi, does anybody imagine she would have been on the five shows because of a demonstration in Cairo? That's ridiculous.
The briefing, the appearances, it was all about Benghazi. Of course everything in the memo is about Benghazi. And when Phil denies it, he simply looks foolish.

By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 5, 14 12:51 AM
Huffington Post, Completely Barak Station and the Communist News Network, right Phil, credible sources. They are in the tank for your boy Barry Soetoro and can't be trusted to be truthful when it's detrimental to Dear Leader.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 4, 14 4:06 PM
You wouldn't know the difference between Communism and Socialism if Stalin ordered your family killed.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 4, 14 8:09 PM
5 Reasons Your Libertarian Cream Dream Utopia Would Actually Suck A**

By PGC

A land of no laws and no taxes. If you ask anyone who calls themselves either a “libertarian” or an “anarchist” these days, that’s how they’d usually wind-up describing their ideal society. So why not give these Anarcho-Libertarians their cream dream wish and rip down the societal constructs that have heretofore at least done a decent enough job of keeping things humming ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 5, 14 8:54 AM
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SOME OF YOU ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR THIS

By Jerry Della Femina
From time to time I receive emails that I like to share with the readers of this column. This first one, which is called "A Conundrum," is so so true.

The definition of "conundrum" is something that is puzzling or confusing.

Here are six conundrums of socialism in the United States of America:

1. America is capitalist and greedy – yet half of the population is subsidized.

2. Half ...more
May 5, 14 12:14 PM appended by 27dan
Only in America . . . could the rich people – who pay 86 percent of all income taxes – be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't pay any income taxes at all.
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 5, 14 12:14 PM
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You mean the 86% they pay, but all the while 2/3 of this country gross 50k, or less per annum? You mean the same 10% of the population who took home more than half of the nation's income in 2012? The top 1% took home almost 25% of the nation's taxable income all by their lonesome. Those numbers are now at record high levels, by the way.

It's more complex than this sad, paltry, tripe ridden waste of text by the author who should probably stick to advertising and restaurants.
May 5, 14 2:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, when I read number three I damn near fell out of the chair laughing. If that's still true, then why are corporations are the only "People" most of our politicians work for...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 5, 14 2:58 PM
BTW, "making money" seems to be pretty easy. Well, at least the Fed makes it look that way. "Creating wealth"? Well, how should "We" define wealth in our society? Character? Power? Money?

There's more than one definition of wealth. And the etymology of what it has meant, and come to mean over the centuries is an interesting query. As it turns out, "happiness" is now listed as an obsolete definition of the word.

Might be a big part of "Our" problem...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 5, 14 3:20 PM
to Captn America:

Lies and misconceptions, your stock in trade.

Receiving payment from seven out of ten ACA enrollees just two weeks after the close of enrollment is extraordinarily positive, as Marc Boutin, vice-president of the nonprofit National Health Council has stated. " While more comprehensive data will come in later", he added, he called it, "a really good indication of the direction we're going."

The largest segment of Americans remaining uninsured is accounted ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 4, 14 4:39 PM
to Captn America:

More shameless duplicity from your seemingly inexhaustible reservoir. That "same source" to which you and I both refer, states later in the article that many ACA enrollees haven't paid their premiums because, due to their having signed up just before the deadline, THEY DON'T OWE ANYTHING YET. One might suggest that you wait a year until all invoiced payments are processed before you conclude that ACA enrollees are deadbeats - but that wouldn't suit the extreme Right-Wing ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 5, 14 12:46 PM
We all new within 24 Hours that Benghazi was a Al Qaeda linked terror attack, and Obama's corrupt LYING White House has been caught Red Handed now altering the talking points to change that fact. Clearly Phil is determined to go right on LYING no matter what evidence surfaces, and clearly the Obama White House has been illegally withholding documents to cover up.
May 5, 14 12:44 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
The phone did ring at 2 am and no body answered, The really bad stuff has not even come out yet.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 5, 14 12:44 AM
The progressives both here and in Washington will be promoting race wars, to keep the media busy.
May 5, 14 12:34 PM appended by They call me
$ 1 7 , 4 7 7 , 5 6 2 , 1 5 0 , 0 2 5 . 6 3 Lord help us!
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 5, 14 12:34 PM
just more class envy, anti capitalism, liberal bovine excrement from the resident leftists. YAAAAAWN this is getting old. Must suck to be a liberal , angry, jealous and petty.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 5, 14 6:12 PM
lies and senseless statements over and over...

Obama's world...
1. I will have the most transparent administration.
2. I have Shovel ready jobs.
3. The IRS is not targeting anyone.
4. There is not a smidgen of corruption involving the IRS targeting.
5. If four Americans get killed, it is not optimal.
6. If somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.
7. Under my plan of cap and trade system,electricity rates would ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 5, 14 8:20 PM
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most transparent administration thats the one i find hysterical
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 6, 14 10:32 PM
Bhengazi = CIA Black Op


GOOD LUCK FOLKS!!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 7, 14 12:52 AM
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Smoking Gun ... Developing
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 7, 14 10:20 AM
Media in a panic over these MSNBC very confused how to spin it.

Hard to hide from the facts
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 7, 14 12:51 PM
Don't be a lazy bum, and do your own research.
May 7, 14 4:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
Here's a little tease: Benghazi: The Definitive Report, authors Jack Murphy (Army Green Beret) and co-author Brandon Webb (Navy SEAL and friend of Glen Doherty who died in the Benghazi siege) also revealed that ‘Drone-Master J’, John O. Brennan - deputy NSA advisor at the time, had been authorizing covert ‘unilateral operations outside of the traditional command structure’, using the Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) across Libya and North Africa. It is Brennan’s black ops that are said to have prompted retaliation inside Libya that led to the September 11 Benghazi compound siege that killed four Americans, including ‘Ambassador’ Chris Stevens and three other Americans.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 7, 14 4:44 PM
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I guess at least now we will see MR. Z

Sunshine is the best disinfectant
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 7, 14 4:51 PM
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On MSNBC's Morning Joe, Tuesday, Obama-friendly biographer, David Remnick claimed that "the world seems to disappoint" the president.

Well... It seems that is a two way boulevard.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 7, 14 10:24 AM
Finally, Here is something we can all rally behind (Even Phil, We would hope ?)

On Monday, Hollywood announced a boycott against the Beverly Hills Hotel thanks to its ownership by the Sultan of Brunei, who recently declared that the country would be ruled under sharia law.

According to the Hollywood Reporter, that means that Brunei will now operate under laws that “call for violent punishment, including amputation and death by stoning, against those engaging in same-sex ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 7, 14 5:24 PM
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The only war on women I see is in muslim country's but when asked by dan phil you could not even support that. you just deflected and said what does the bible say ??? i can not believe you counsel children. stop wasting your time captain
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 7, 14 9:27 PM
I agree Erin this war on women garbage is ridiculous, In this counrty we have more oppertunity than ever, even more than our male counterparts. People need to step up and acknowledge how awful women are treated in the Muslum world
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on May 7, 14 9:38 PM
so people are just vile
May 7, 14 9:30 PM appended by Erin 27 E
some people are just vile
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 7, 14 9:30 PM
Phil, It must seem like the world is closing in on you now, Its because your feelings of persecution run so deep.You see yourself as some sort of hero for the underdog but in reality you just seem to be getting more and more desperate.

I think you need a vacation from 27 east give Fox a try for a week and you will seem just how out of touch MSNBC with there host and two guests of the same opinion are

It is only then you will realize the truth lies somewhere in the middle
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 8, 14 5:23 AM
Dan try not to be so hard on our little man after all in his world the debate is over! The science is settled! Any other point of view in this day and age is hateful. It’s racism straight up. It’s like the civil rights movement never happened! It’s a war on women. Women in this country are under fire as if this were a war. It’s Islamophobic too. And as for gays... well, the debate is over. The time for talking is past. The experts have reached a consensus. We’ve ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 8, 14 5:46 AM
Piketty was not the only man to author a book named "Capital".

You don't know jack **** about the American Enlightenment, or American Republicanism, do you TCM? Guaranteed you know even less about Marx, who predicted Capitalism is self destructive. He also LAUDED certain aspects of capitalism, and defended it's traits which were not self destructive. He actually had a dual view of the capitalist system. BTW, plenty of proof for that self destruction theory, especially in the last thirty ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 14, 14 12:20 AM
Smoking Gun ... Developing
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 8, 14 8:54 AM
Phil seems to have the most severe case of cognitive dissonance I have every seen. He believes his moral system rests on his accepted version of the facts,

So when any of us here on 27 East challenge that mantra, they are denying his pre conceived moral judgments and any other version of the facts is a contumacious notion one that is both foreign, and extremely risky for Phil to consider.

He has no way to process such information, Since It is not the way the NY times says it is... ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 8, 14 11:33 AM
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for me the issue is a simple one did hillary clinton lie about benghazi while standing in front of the victims families and caskets
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 8, 14 4:56 PM
try reading what some one else posted for a change. joe has you pegged on his post above, so sad


I repeat, did hillary lie about benghazi while standing in front of the victims families and caskets !!!

that is all i want to know !!!



By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 8, 14 5:22 PM
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Wowzers are you always this confrontational ? Or did you just wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? Erin said for her the issue is a simple one did hillary clinton lie about benghazi while standing in front of the victims families and caskets. Why do you keep bullying everyone around? I also would like to know this Erin as it would say alot about hilarys caracter. One would hope she did not know becuse if she did, my god
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on May 8, 14 6:55 PM
Widow, Yes he is always this confrontational he seems to enjoy it, After a while you will learn to ignore the insanity like the rest of us. We all just kind of use him to bounce off , since he is the barometer of crazy left wing talking points it provides a good starting point for discussion.

And just a little secret I think he is lonely and likes the negative attention
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 9, 14 12:03 AM
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Can't tell if we are still on topic. I mean, I clicked on an article about breast feeding and see lots of posts about right and left. Strange.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 8, 14 9:11 PM
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Quelle poseur!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 9, 14 12:46 AM
Don't worry PBR, I'll never take your self appointed position of 27east policeman.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 9, 14 7:06 AM
Hah! You know I share your sentiment above, and would welcome better policing by all others. The irony hit me, though . . . :)
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 9, 14 7:31 AM
Maybe the Captain or Joe will call a Philly free summer again. last year it was a relief when we collectively tuned him out for a while
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 9, 14 8:07 AM
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Takes two to tango?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 9, 14 8:40 AM
PBR,I agree which is why I am trying to stay out of any arguments. Doesn't change minds, just inflames egos. Alas, sometimes I can't help myself.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 9, 14 1:45 PM



I resemble that!

Have a good weekend.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 9, 14 1:56 PM
Right or Left?
Breastfeeding offers no other options.
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 9, 14 9:31 AM
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...that I am aware of.
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 9, 14 9:35 AM
NANCY PELOSI: BOEHNER'S RULES FOR BENGHAZI SELECT COMMITTEE 'UNFAIR'

Its not fair to ask us two answer questions, What a joke
May 9, 14 10:20 PM appended by joe hampton
Its not fair to ask us to answer questions, What a joke
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 9, 14 10:20 PM
Please boycott so we can have an honorable and truthful inquiry. They won't though. They know corruption will be uncovered so they need a presence in the committee to try and spin it.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 9, 14 10:26 PM
Actually I think Erin Nailed it when she said

For me the issue is a simple one did Hillary Clinton lie about Benghazi while standing in front of the victims families and caskets

But you were to busy ignoring her to listen.

May 10, 14 12:05 AM appended by 27dan
It's become their diagram. Every time a republican mentions Benghazi you guys get an erection. By philathome (7864), Southampton on May 9, 14 10:37 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kinda like the Koch brothers have become your diagram?
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 10, 14 12:05 AM
Who will be the first congressman to decline funds for his district or state as a first step in reducing out of control spending?
By VOS (1241), WHB on May 10, 14 12:03 AM
When, republicans win both houses of congress.

Now run along to bed little boy, Its getting late for you to be up causing a ruckus.

Don't worry school is out soon with that nice payed vacation. You can stay up a little later after June 15th and play Occupy Hill Street all you want.
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 10, 14 12:17 AM
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If the people realized then what we knew the whole time, Romney would have won!

The truth is finally starting to come out and this administrations legacy will be one of deceit and deception from the early campaigned days in 2006 getting worse and worse all the way up two the lame duck last two years with one word ringing the loudest

FAIL!
May 10, 14 7:30 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
I just want to know why secretary of state, Hillary Clinton fought so hard against officially designating the Islamists of Boko Haram as a terror group.This stuff make little sense
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 10, 14 7:30 AM
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That the State Department under Clinton declined to name Boko Haram to a list of terror groups maintained at Foggy Bottom is true.

Bla Bla Bla

By philathome (7869), Southampton on May 10, 14 7:54 AM
May 10, 14 7:59 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
The truth is finally starting to come out and this administrations legacy will be one of deceit and deception from the early campaigned days in 2006 getting worse and worse all the way up two the lame duck last two years with one word ringing the loudest FAIL!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 10, 14 7:59 AM
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get a job!!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 10, 14 9:49 AM
own my own business, work like a mad man for 10 months and take off for two, what's it to you?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 10, 14 11:35 AM
Thats no good BF You are showing way to much free will... You are not part of the system... It is a stick in his A#*. You need to assimilated
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 10, 14 11:40 AM
to bigfresh:

Quote:

[You]

"get a job!!!"
-------------------------

[philathome]

"Got two.
And I work all year around.
Do you?"
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[You]

"own my own business, work like a mad man for 10 months and take off for two, what's it to you?"
--------------------------------------

I don't care whether you work or not, bigfresh, but if you are going to be discourteously bombastic, you shouldn't ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 10, 14 11:57 AM
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Beirut.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 11, 14 4:12 AM
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At 6:55am you just needed to come onto this website to proclaim that Rean heled create Hezollah, in response to somebody who mentioned Benghazi at 12:43.

I wish this wasn't an anonymous board so I could actually study you people and what drives you. If you had let that statement be and not responded to it what would you feel?
By bjoners (13), southampton on May 11, 14 7:01 AM
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's actions both leading up to, during and after the 2102 Benghazi terror acts have precluded her from being qualified to be commander-in-chief...
May 10, 14 8:20 PM appended by They call me
I also think Erin Nailed it when she said For me the issue is a simple one did Hillary Clinton lie about Benghazi while standing in front of the victims families and caskets GOOD CALL GIRL
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 10, 14 8:20 PM
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Just got in ... Left to serve the 1 % at 5:45 this morning How bout you BF ?

First CFC (Chicago Fried Crow)

Now Cream of Crow

LMAO
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 10, 14 8:39 PM
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Thats like 15 hours how do you guys hack that,

But remember, "You didn't built it "Dude"
May 10, 14 8:49 PM appended by They call me
I wonder how many of the people on food stamps worked at all on this beautiful Saturday ?
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 10, 14 8:49 PM
Exactly.

Generations of Americans before you pompous folk existed did.

"Nobody's right, if everybody's wrong."
~ Buffalo Springfield
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 10, 14 8:54 PM
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Even though French economist Thomas Piketty has made an air-tight case that we’re heading toward levels of inequality not seen since the days of the 19th century robber barons, right-wing conservatives haven’t stopped lying about what’s happening and what to do about it.

Herewith, the four biggest right-wing lies about inequality, followed by the truth.

Lie number one: The rich and CEOs are America’s job creators. So we dare not tax them.

The truth ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 11, 14 11:29 PM
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a mere 12 hrs yesterday, at it again in a few minutes, couple of hrs , then some Mothers' Day quality time, then another 12 tomorrow, not counting book work, gotta love those T&M projects! May the rich get richer and let the trickle down flow!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 11, 14 7:30 AM
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Pompous, and ignorant of the plight of people across the rest of the country. 317 million people in this country, and just shy of 2/3 of the working population grossed 50k or less last fiscal year.

You just can't fix stupid.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 11, 14 8:57 AM
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Ah, brilliant comeback Phil, problem is both sides are screwing the middle(class) and below. Policies initiated under Regan and reinforced under Clinton or have you forgotten the deregulation? As long as people keep buying into the left right paradigm were are bending over for them. Trickle down does work, think about what a trickle is, enough to wet your lips, but not enough to quench your thirst.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on May 11, 14 1:43 PM
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It didn't work in the 1890's, the 1920's, or the last thirty years.

And, just FYI "trickle down" is a pejorative. Remember to thank Will Rogers for that.

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it”
~ Frederic Bastiat

"Republicans [...] simply don't know how to manage the economy. They're so busy ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 11, 14 11:20 PM
Why do you hate ambition so much
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 11, 14 11:34 PM
Because ambition can be blind at times, as can its cheerleaders?

Such is the nature of hubris . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 12, 14 4:30 AM
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BINGO PBR.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 12, 14 9:16 PM
to bigfresh:

We get it. We understand, from your incessant and irrelevant self-serving posts, that you work really hard (and are a sycophant of the wealthy.) Congratulations - - and enough.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 11, 14 2:59 PM
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Its called being a man and providing for his family
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 11, 14 11:00 PM
Just like over 100 million other men.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 11, 14 11:21 PM
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Academy Award-winning actor Richard Dreyfuss talks to Mike Huckabee about the importance of teaching the constitution and American exceptionalism.

"We were responsible for the greatest revolution in the history of civilization. We gave to 98% of the human race freedoms that they have been lashed for, lost fingers for or had their heads chopped off for and we gave it to them for free and we are the most revolutionary nation that has ever been and ever will be and we don't know enough about ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 11, 14 11:33 PM
Have you just reduced the American Revolution to "violence?"
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 12, 14 6:25 AM
What a complicated web we weave . . .

27dan's quote from Richard Dreyfus was a quote, and the phrase "hit you in the mouth" is common slang, like "hit you upside the head" -- you know -- a figure of speech which the speaker says to make a point, not to warn of an imminent actual violent act.

Right?

More importantly, you completely overlooked his POSITIVE point about "the importance of teaching the constitution and American exceptionalism."

Really phil . . . are ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 12, 14 6:53 AM
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PS -- sometimes revolution may be the best solution, yes.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 12, 14 6:56 AM
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Gravity:

Matt Kowalski: If you don't detach that arm's gonna carry you too far! Listen to my voice! You need to focus! I'm losing visual of you. In a few seconds I won't be able to track you. You need to detach. I can't see you any more. Do it now!
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[detaching]
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By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 12, 14 7:24 AM
Exceptionalism is one thing.

Hubris is another. The only thing we're the best at these days is incarcerating the most people per capita of any nation on the planet, and blowing the t*** off the world economy with our "exceptional" example.

"We" have a long way to go...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 12, 14 10:44 PM
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I have been watching this coversation unfold and it is my opin that you philathome are a very calculating sort. And a bit of a trouble maker. You seem to be a hater of your own country and very un patriotic to say the least
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on May 12, 14 11:15 AM
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Fading 'Glee' Left Off Fox's Fall Schedule

Thank god, I for one have had enough of that garbage being forced upon us
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 12, 14 9:58 PM
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A Massachusetts high court ruled on Friday that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the phrase "under God" is not a constitutional violation.

Amen!
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 12, 14 10:00 PM
Did they also rule that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago?

Because both make as much rational sense...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 12, 14 10:41 PM
No just that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the phrase "under God" is not a constitutional violation.

By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 13, 14 12:21 AM
James Upham is spinning in his grave. "God" has NO PLACE in civic life according to the principles which this country was founded upon. No court decision, belief, or delusion on the part of any citizen can change such historical FACT.


"Mary, if I can instill into the minds of our American youth a love for their country and the principles on which it was founded, and create in them an ambition to carry on with the ideals which the early founders wrote into The Constitution, I shall ...more
May 13, 14 6:32 AM appended by Mr. Z
"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us." ~ Justice Robert H. Jackson
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 13, 14 6:32 AM
P.S.

The only place the words "under God" can ever be considered to be recited in the "Pledge of Allegiance" are in a Church.

That's how the Establishment Clause works. Religion has NO PLACE in civic life. A pledge involving this nation, or it's symbols must be secular. No fancy legalese, or "opting out" can change it. The only thing that wouldn't violate the Constitution is if it was added to the Pledge in a pious environment. Civic life in this country should not, nor was ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 13, 14 7:07 AM
to Mr. Z:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... "

This is what the 1st Amendment ACTUALLY SAYS about religion. YOU may read that to preclude any reference to an undefined "god" by government. I certainly don't. Nor, so far, do the Supremes.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 13, 14 11:32 AM
This "Supreme" dissented, and saw that an act of Congress should not bring religion into a civic environment. It was an act of Congress which amended the Flag Code, and the phrase "under God" was incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954, by a Joint Resolution of Congress amending the Flag Code. The Flag Code are the rules established by Congress regarding the flag, and the Pledge.

To add "under God" by an Act of Congress is unconstitutional.

That's unconstitutional, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 13, 14 4:27 PM
So no one here has any problem with 1st amendment rights trampled when Dolphins player being fined and sent for educational training after tweeting OMG about Michael Sam draft

But freaks out about saying one nation under god in the pledge?

Man this country has gone to hell.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 13, 14 6:34 PM
Just Sayin,
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 13, 14 6:53 PM
philup likes to side with the courts when they say abortion is not ok instead of murder but is mad when the courts say it is ok to mention god in the pledge

hhs is also ok with abortion and defends the actions of local child pervert jay seers as not criminal but says killing a deer is the work of insensitive evil people

i don't get you two.
May 13, 14 7:05 PM appended by Erin 27 E
philup likes to side with the courts when they say abortion is ok instead of the murder it is
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 13, 14 7:05 PM
Don't worry public opinion is eroding as more and more people can no longer deny the reality of the sonograms advocating the horror that is abortion!

The three ways to overturn Roe v. Wade are:

• A constitutional amendment — That requires a two-thirds majority vote in each House of Congress followed by ratification by three-fourths of the states.

• Getting the U.S. Supreme to reverse its previous decision — This is by far the hardest method of overturning ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 13, 14 7:23 PM
So what Phil seems to be saying TCM Is the Dolphins P.C. policy overrides Don Jones first amendment rights
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 13, 14 7:43 PM
After the Rams drafted defensive end Michael Sam and after ESPN showed an on-air tongue kiss between Sam and another man . Jones said “omg” after the kiss was televised, and later called the moment “horrible.”

SO ? SO ? Who the H are you or the Dolphins to limit his free speech?

It seems clear is you that does not understand what the first amendment protects us from. Manly people like yourself
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 13, 14 7:55 PM
Phil, have you changed your stance on gun ownership?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 13, 14 9:43 PM
Warren Buffett has given $1.2 billion to abortion groups

Piece of garbage
May 13, 14 6:24 PM appended by 27dan
Alec Baldwin Tuesday was handcuffed by police and arrested, Arguing with officers who tried to ticket him...'Belligerent'... 'DON'T THEY KNOW WHO I AM'... LOL More garbage!
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 13, 14 6:24 PM
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alec baldwin is a egotistical narcissistic idiot
May 13, 14 7:10 PM appended by Erin 27 E
he treats women like dirt, why do people let him get away with it ???
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 13, 14 7:10 PM
Phil said ,no one wants to take guns away;what everybody wants is responsible gun laws,elimination of the gun show loophole and increased funding for mental health research.
We know we will never get rid of guns;what we want is to make it harder for unstable people to get their hands on them.

Must be why so many here are all freaked out.

Lets stop the BS already, What Phil really wants is a gun registry... so in a martial law situation you know what doors to break down in the ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 14, 14 10:07 AM
Joe Said, We also need to better secure our schools not only for guns but knives and child predators like Jay Sears

You said , Georgia bla bla something



By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 14, 14 5:27 PM
to Erin 27 E:

Quote:

"hhs is also ok with abortion and defends the actions of local child pervert jay seers as not criminal but says killing a deer is the work of insensitive evil people

i don't get you ... "
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Explicable by the fact that you, like other Right-Wingers on this forum, don't understand the concept of "ethical principle". ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 14, 14 1:35 PM
to Captn America:

You are quite wrong, again. The 2nd amendment language guaranteeing that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is clear and explicit. We Liberals believe that constitutional rights can only be modified by amendment or by accommodations (exhaustively considered and narrowly construed) necessitated by their impingement on other constitutional rights.

Folks' desire that their fear of these dangerous weapons should be assuaged ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 14, 14 2:32 PM
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Once or twice a year I find myself speechless
May 14, 14 5:33 PM appended by joe hampton
Make room for my freind Mr. Hat at the bar, And get him a Beeerr... I mean Brandy
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 14, 14 5:33 PM
Marvelous, Bravo
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 15, 14 12:02 AM
Former press secretary: Hillary might not run...

Young Supporters Struggle to Name Her Achievements...
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 14, 14 6:36 PM
WAR ON WOMEN?: REPORT SAYS NYT’S FIRST FEMALE EDITOR OUSTED FOR ASKING FOR ‘EQUAL PAY’ WOW... PHIL, YOU SHOULD CALL THEM!

The New York Times, which has actively helped Democrats and the White House perpetuate the phony "war on women" campaign against Republicans, reportedly fired its female executive editor because she complained about pay inequality at the so-called "paper of record."

Shame on The New York Times.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 15, 14 12:12 AM
I'm taking a liking to this latest Pope:

No to the new idolatry of money

55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 14, 14 11:09 PM
he also suggested yesterday that we baptize aliens when and if the come to earth
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 15, 14 12:06 AM
As a show of customs one would think.

Such an advanced society which could travel the stars would probably have evolved beyond, and left behind the primitive belief in deity, or deities long before they discovered how to do so.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 14 12:26 AM
to Captn America:

You are mad. I have told you that we Liberals believe that the 2nd amendment guarantees an individual citizen's right to keep and bear arms, just as it says. I further informed you that I probably am opposed to all of the infringements on this right to which you are opposed, and some others of which you haven't thought. However, since this doesn't sit well with your prejudicial preconception of Liberal belief, you have created a delusional counter-reality in which everything ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 15, 14 4:02 PM
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IRS Covered Up Emails For Two Years And Now They Say, "Dude, That Was Two Years Ago"
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 15, 14 9:15 PM
How much money did the DNC raise today prostituting the four that died in Ben Ghazi?

Last May the DNC sent out a fundraising email signed by Communications Director Brad Woodhouse which made the political fight over Benghazi a reason to donate.

(repeat ad nauseum for Alinsky effect)
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 15, 14 11:33 PM
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Embattled Clippers owner Donald Sterling will not receive a lifetime achievement award from the Los Angeles chapter of the NAACP after all. Even though it was bought and paid for, fair and square. It was withdrawn after those horrible racist remarks his "girlfriend" got from him (on tape).
Seriously...how could such an esteemed org back a confirmed caucasian racist?
Sooo, what to do, what to do....
Support a confirmed colored racist? BINGO!!
Al Sharpton was honored with its "Person ...more
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 16, 14 11:04 PM
Al, Bullhorn, Sharpton has made himself a wealthy man by being a race baiting, bigoted buffoon. A self anointed "leader" of the black community.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 17, 14 8:48 AM
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to loading...:

Comparing Donald Sterling to Al Sharpton is inappropriate. Did Mr. Sterling ever defame innocent men with false accusations of gang-rape?

Mr. Sharpton is, and always has been, a dumb, lying, posturing, self-promoting, race-baiting, amoral, opportunistic pipsqueak. By contrast, all that can be said of Mr. Sterling is that he MAY be a racist.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 17, 14 9:04 AM
Actually, I was comparing the NAACP with a contemporary, relevant organization. But your point is well taken.
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 18, 14 7:42 PM
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By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 17, 14 10:58 AM
"Regulators are calling GM a "law breaker." But GM won't be sent to jail. Corporations enjoy a privileged position under the law. They can live forever; they can’t be physically punished or imprisoned for breaking the law; and can cause harm without their investors (their legal owners) being held liable. (They’re also considered “persons” under the First Amendment, courtesy of the Republicans on the Supreme Court.) This privileged position is justified by the presumed social ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 17, 14 6:37 PM
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Ill tell ya what I think ~ Organize & Occupy

FORWARD !
By local 84 (353), riverhead on May 18, 14 7:59 PM
On this quite Sunday in May in a rare almost sleepy news cycle... one cant help but feel the hollow sense left by the void at the helm.

I believe we have been through a social experiment that cannot be ignored by history... an experiment that cannot be viewed as reasonable in retrospect.

Some will argue this administration was necessary, but no one will defend it as successful (except maybe Phil)

It promised to be transparent and uniting only to
unfold as sneaky ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 18, 14 1:25 PM
Thank god for this administration and this president who saved us (and possibly the entire world) from an epochal catastrophe that had the potential to make the Great Depression "mildly unpleasant" by comparison. Thanks to the foresight of both him and his party, our unemployment rate has plummeted to a level not seen since 2008 when the Republicans' cataclysmic economic debacle annihilated the economy. (Indeed, who among us would have believed that this eventuality was even a possibility after ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 18, 14 4:23 PM
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obama has purposely divided this country and has made the U.S. a weaker nation. He wants things his way or no way at all. He is like a petulant child that takes their ball and goes home when they don't get their way. The media covers up his many wrongs, and he spends our money like it's his own personal credit card. He is destroying this Country from the inside out , but then, I think that was always his plan.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 18, 14 4:48 PM
to They call me:

Rubbish. America has never been stronger. Moreover it was Karl Rove who introduced systematic divisive politicking in order to elect George the Worst. Even so, but 18% of the citizenry are Tea Partiers, their numbers just seem greater because they incessantly bellow sensational lies. The rest or Americans hold rational political opinions and don't feel any more "divided" than usual.

Tea Partiers castigate "the media" because it won't support their mendacious ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 18, 14 8:38 PM
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SUNDAY, MAY 18, 2014 7:00 AM EDT

Congratulations, class of 2014: You’re totally screwed
College costs more and more, even as it gets objectively worse. Only people worse off than indebted grads: adjuncts

THOMAS FRANK _ SALON
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 18, 14 3:56 PM
Seems everyone tunes in when ignorance speaks. (I'm not pointing any fingers)
Until this changes, we're gettin' nowhere fast.
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 18, 14 6:42 PM



" . . . we're gettin' nowhere fast."


A cogent observation . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 18, 14 6:51 PM
well it would seem we are getting closer to an election
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 18, 14 7:22 PM
Very timely observation,

Republicans have a 77% chance of taking the Senate
BY JOHN SIDES
May 16 at 6:30 am
Our new Senate forecast gives the Republicans a 77 percent chance of a Senate majority.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 18, 14 7:42 PM
Hillary Clinton upset the talking heads today when she asked "What’s happening to the American Dream?

Saying currently no one is trying very hard to revive the American Dream, and about what it will take to restore what she called the “basic bargain” that only hard work, effort and drive will lead to future success,

I commend you Mrs. Clinton That is a far better and positive message then the garbage we have been listening to for the past five years. Nice job
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 18, 14 8:42 PM
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i agree if people would get two jobs get off the couch and stop whining they would be fine
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 18, 14 8:49 PM
People do, and they don't.

Absolutely, 100% ignorant statement.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 14 6:38 AM
Reaching for totalitarianism. The compassionate left, party of free speech and the open mind cannot abide independent thought.

HARRY REID: VOTE TO AMEND U.S. CONSTITUTION TO LIMIT POLITICAL SPEECH

On May 15, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) announced the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on June 3 on amending the U.S. Constitution to limit political speech. If ultimately adopted, it would mark the first time in American history that a constitutional amendment ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 19, 14 12:50 AM
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Reid is off the rails (again). The proposed amendment includes a provision that “Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant Congress the power to abridge the freedom of the press.” So the mainstream media would be able to say whatever they want, but citizens and citizen groups could not. You know, like our discussions here on 27 East!
Reid eschews amending the Constitution for reasons like requiring the federal government to balance the federal budget (can't have that), ...more
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 19, 14 7:49 AM
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The Supreme Court's decision to extend First Amendment freedom of speech protection to a corporation was wrong, plain and simple, and will someday be reversed in my personal opinion.

Justice Scalia in particular, by virtue of his focus on history to understand the intent of laws, was the most off-base.

A corporation was not a "person" and the Bill of Rights was not intended to protect corporations.

Period.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 19, 14 8:58 AM
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The Supremes' decision that corporations are entitled to the same constitutional rights as human beings is so pernicious that opposition to it transcends political boundaries. Their raising of an inhuman construct to equivalency with flesh-and-blood citizens is shocking, whether one is a Republican or a Democrat (or, especially, a Liberal.) Such an opinion could only originate from an incestuous judiciary that has has been blinded to essential constitutional verities by its fascination with exotic ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 19, 14 11:27 AM
It is what it is hat head you could also ask do the rights in the Bill of Rights, and the immunities protected by the 14th Amendment, apply to the unborn? In other words, is there in English Common Law any declaration of the rights of the unborn which would warrant incorporation in the 14th Amendment? The answer is "Yes", and there is a twofold basis in Common Law.

The first basis is a principle in Blackstone referring directly to the unborn, as clear and direct as any reference to the ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 19, 14 11:55 AM
Yes, clearly the worst decision by the Supreme Court in recent memory. One is reminded of, for its perniciousness, the statement by (then) Vice-President Cheney that the United States Supreme Court did not have standing/jurisdiction to review the post-9/11 detentions at the Guantanamo Bay facility. [a position which the Supreme Court rejected a few years later, thank goodness . . . ]

These two red flags have marked the path, with floodlights of darkness, for the eventual utter destruction ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 19, 14 12:08 PM
Ike's 1961 farewell speech is available on You Tube -- please watch it. Your future depends on understanding the threats we face.

_______________________________________________________

" . . . we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 19, 14 12:17 PM
[obviously (one would hope) my "Yes . . . " reply above was to HHS, not 27dan!]
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 19, 14 12:23 PM
Dont worry we already know you would never take up such a meaningless cause such as the horrors of medical infanticide
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 19, 14 12:31 PM
Your words on your issue . . .

Just clarifying -- move on please.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 19, 14 12:38 PM
yes yes, just move on . Its much easier not to think of such things,

hows the weather
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 19, 14 1:57 PM
Details for Monday, May 19
A mix of clouds and sun with gusty winds. High 66F. Winds NW at 20 to 30 mph.
Evening: Partly cloudy. Low 51F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 19, 14 2:02 PM
Erin, no one has any obligation to respond to a post on abortion, on a thread which is already way off-topic, so please do not join 27dan in badgering me on this.

Thank you.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 19, 14 2:12 PM
"Life" begins at about eight weeks or so.

Before that, you can grow the same cells in a petri dish.

And as far as the "Citizens United" decision, as well as the Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific Railroad decision, the founders of this country are spinning in their respective graves. Corporations were not permitted to influence elections, donate to political campaigns, or conduct any activities outside of their chartered purpose. A violation of any sort meant you were stripped of ...more
May 19, 14 11:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
And FYI: 150 years ago a company like Duke Energy would have been stripped of their charter LONG ago.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 19, 14 11:40 PM
Money is not speech, no matter what some corporate shills have decided. It's not the first time in history, nor will it likely be the last. As a founding principle of this country, corporations were not permitted in civic life PERIOD. They have betrayed a founding principle of this country, and that should be an impeachable offense. It was once the law to stone people to death in public. Does that automatically make it right? NO.

Writing a letter, speaking your mind, or yelling from ...more
May 20, 14 11:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
Succinctly put, lobbyists and corporations involved in civic life is UN-AMERICAN to it's very core, and against what this country was founded to stand for.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 20, 14 11:03 PM
As you wish , I try not to preach,

Its just the way you belittled the topic "your words your issue"

it struck me as cold. It is really something we should all condemn as a barbaric selfish act of convenience.

besides how long can you discuss a fabricated topic like woman hoping local cops can be educated about breastfeeding. the women is obviously looking for attention, its so ridiculous.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 19, 14 2:30 PM
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yes, and there is not a day that goes by that i wish someone would have preached to me before i made the worst mistake of my life.
now please leave me alone philip i know you will only try and upset me more its what you like to do.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 20, 14 3:19 PM
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What an awful thing to say. Have you know soul, sir?
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on May 20, 14 7:04 PM
know?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 20, 14 8:09 PM
blank, pointing out another grammar error on a forum? C'mon man.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 20, 14 9:43 PM
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Well I could comment on left vs right issues, but you know the old song, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity. So I just pick on sh&t that can be changed for the good.
Someone mistakes know for no, kind of wipes out any valid point they would make.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 20, 14 9:56 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 20, 14 9:56 PM
Typos and spell check should not automatically invalidate one's comments. We are all guilty at one time or another.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 20, 14 11:20 PM
Regarding spelling errors and typo's etc., have you noticed that their frequency has shot way up? Because more people are composing comments on smaller portable devices? That is the bet here. It would be interesting to know . . .

blank!'s point is well taken that the spelling errors such as know vs. no, there vs. their, etc., really do lessen the lesson sometimes!

Unlessen they don't?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 21, 14 6:32 AM
speaking of which, "proofread" is the correct verb I believe.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 21, 14 6:50 AM
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Ah, the taste of one's own medicine is often the hardest to swallow . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 21, 14 7:03 AM
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Ah, reversion to mean . . .

[double entendre intended]
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 21, 14 9:20 AM
point was, there was no typo when someone used "know" as opposed to "no"
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 22, 14 3:51 PM
The administration cannot hide the president who reported to be madder than hell . He acts as if, and this is the same with IRS, with the eavesdropping on the AP, with all these other scandals, with the Obamacare launch, as if he stumbled upon the presidency and discovered all this horrible stuff is happening.

He's in charge of these departments. At some point you've got to ask where has he been and where is the competence, the elementary competence, he promised when he ran in 2008?
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 19, 14 10:18 PM
The entire administration is incompetent. Five times he claims to have learned of a scandal from the media. Please, give me a break. Carney's "we learned about it when you learned about it" is getting stale.
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 20, 14 9:01 PM
From the archives:

"One of Hollywood’s most revered said this week that the recent government shutdown had less to do with Republican objection to liberal policy or reluctance to incur more debt, and more to do with anti-Obama sentiment that rose to the level of racism.

During an interview on CNN, actor and director Robert Redford first expressed sympathy for President Obama: “I think he’s a good man. I think he’s an intelligent man, a compassionate man ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 19, 14 11:33 PM
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Yawn
May 20, 14 12:20 AM appended by 27dan
***RECORD 10,996,447 ON DISABILITY***
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 20, 14 12:20 AM
RIIIIIGHT Hollyweird , the cradle of rational thought, non partisan and intelligent.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 20, 14 6:09 AM
Sure.

Because your IQ must simply eclipse that of Robert Redford. We can so obviously tell by your adherence to diction and grammar!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 20, 14 10:57 PM
My goodness but Y'All have been busy. 'They call me" is a nut case; he would fit right in being retired to The Villages! My point in jumping in here is: The right of Free Speech. Has any one thought of that concerning Sterling? I do not condone him and his remarks, but, doesn't he have the right of speaking his own mind? In all this bru-hah I hope we don't forget our right to speak our own mind.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 20, 14 4:31 PM
Sure he has the right to speak freely, and everyone else is free to enforce the contracts Mr. Sterling VOLUNTARILY signed with them, giving them the right to send him packing.

Buh bye (and good riddance in my opinion).

We as a country are moving on and leaving behind the dinosaurs of racism . . . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 20, 14 4:51 PM
Tolerance for racism is no longer tolerated.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on May 20, 14 8:23 PM
I think Sterlings in a strong position to retain ownership. The league doesn’t have anything concrete to prove racism, those tapes would be laughed out of court. he's never been pinned down on other racism lawsuits. Silver should have suspended first, then explored legal avenues before trying to strip him of his team. The punishment was a knee-jerk reaction due to the pressure of the media and society. How stupid is the NBA, Mets fan and Phil going to look if Sterling wins and they have to ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 20, 14 10:22 PM
WH ‘picking up the pace’ on executive actions
This is the typical garbage from the WH. Obama can't even try because the
Repubs are too mean. The lawlessness of this administration has pushed the
country over a Constitutional tipping point. Tyranny reigns.If he wasn't the first black president, he would have been impeached by now. Obama knows this and the others are afraid that if they move forward with impeachment, obama will pull that race card somthing else that should ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 21, 14 6:10 AM
Democratic Florida Rep. Joe Garcia fresh off being caught eating his own earwax on camera was caught red-handed (or is it yellow-fingered?) in another gaffe this week, claiming that low crime rates in border cities with lots of federal immigration workers is proof that “Communism works.”

By They call me (2826), southampton on May 21, 14 10:58 PM
The Great Debate: I’m making $21 an hour at McDonald’s (Denmark). Why aren’t you?

By LOUISE MARIE RANTZAU May 16, 2014 11:56am

I work for McDonald’s and I make $21 an hour.

No, that isn’t a typo. It’s really my salary.

You see, I work for McDonald’s in Denmark, where an agreement between our union and the company guarantees that workers older than 18 are paid at least $21 an hour. Employees younger than 18 make at least ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 20, 14 11:45 PM
I thought this was pretty good:

Thure W. (shwicksdad) Political Pundit
2,962 Fans

To the conservative right wing: These men aren't after what you are. They are spending lots of money to make you think they are. You are worthless to them except to toil to make them money. When you aren't useful to them anymore, they will discard you like dirty socks. Bank on it. If you work for a living, don't think for a moment you will be better off in the world they envision. Once they have ...more
May 21, 14 11:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
Breaking: McDonald's closes headquarters as protesters gather
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 14 11:16 PM
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And how much do the Danes pay in income taxes and VAT taxes??? Astronomical compared to the USA if they're anything like the rest oF Socialist Lite Europe. Governmental control of business, wage control, mandatory vacations, enjoy your new life there Mr Z.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 21, 14 5:24 PM
You really are clueless at American History. Ever heard of Gibbons v. Ogden? How about E.C. Knight? Or Northern Securities? Maybe you should check out some business history before you spout off with your vapid propaganda and sensationalist tone. Almost everything I've ever heard you spout is banal tripe. The Articles of Confederation failed for a reason. Also, we have/HAD excellent "Anti-Trust" laws for GOOD reason. The Trusts and the Depression created some good law from bad experiences. ...more
May 21, 14 11:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
S & L Crisis = FAIL
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 14 11:05 PM
ENRON = MASSIVE FAIL
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 14 11:30 PM
As Joe has pointed out a vat tax would be much more fair system instead of Income Tax
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 21, 14 10:29 PM
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Libtalker Ed Schultz Loses Radio Show, Will Do Online-Only Broadcast
May 21, 14 11:01 PM appended by They call me
You gotta have listeners to have a show Crazy Eddie, lol
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 21, 14 11:01 PM
ISBN: 0195039149
ISBN-13: 9780195039146
Pub. Date: October 2009
Publisher: Oxford University Press, USA
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 14 11:44 PM
Foxx news for dummes
May 22, 14 8:43 PM appended by local 84
ment Fox
By local 84 (353), riverhead on May 22, 14 8:43 PM
rotflmao, you tell him philip i don't have the hart, besides he is your friend. ~ giggle
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 22, 14 9:00 PM
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No graduation from kindergarten for any of you this year . . .

What a gossipy, mean and vindictive finger-pointing Ship of Fools!

By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 23, 14 8:49 AM
Definitely!

Not sure if you meant to quote from the movie, but you came close (as I recall).
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 23, 14 12:44 PM
marlin spiked the quote:

"My name is Karl Glocken and this is a ship of fools! I am a fool. You’ll meet more fools as we go along. This tub is packed with them. Emancipated ladies and ballplayers. Lovers. Dog lovers. Ladies of joy. Tolerant Jews, Dwarfs. All kinds. And who knows—if you look closely enough, you may even find yourself on board."

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 23, 14 12:48 PM
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thank you captn but he really does not bother me. in my opinion he has some issues he needs to work out and probable should go talk to someone
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 23, 14 11:34 PM
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"The best villains don't know they're villains. The best thinks he's a hero."

~
May 23, 14 12:15 AM appended by Mr. Z
"The best villain thinks he's a hero."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 23, 14 12:15 AM
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Adam Carolla Praises Maher's Take On Islam: We Should Judge Cultures That Brutalize Women
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on May 23, 14 5:37 PM
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"The best villains don't know they're villains. The best villain thinks he's a hero."

~ Dan Didio, Writer, Editor, Publisher
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 23, 14 12:20 AM
Parallel Messianic Visions -- all delusional.

Have a good weekend!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 23, 14 6:54 AM
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So the Republicans, in the midst of their jeremiad about the poor treatment of patients at the VA, pause momentarily to defeat a bill that would have fixed the problem.

Another proof that the Brock University finding on the relative intelligence of conservatives is spot on.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 24, 14 9:54 AM
to Captn America:

"Sanders to Introduce VA Accountability Bill
Friday, May 23, 2014

New Push Planned for Veterans Benefits

Bill Blocked by Senate Republicans

BURLINGTON, Vt., May 23 – U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs Chairman Bernie Sanders said today that he will introduce legislation to increase accountability at the Department of Veterans Affairs and reintroduce comprehensive legislation – which Senate Republicans blocked last ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 24, 14 12:40 PM
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I propose a "swap". Give veterans Congress' benefits, and give Congress the veteran's benefits.

You'd see **** get fixed pretty quick, IMHO...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 24, 14 9:06 PM
"All truly wise thoughts have been thought already thousands of times; but to make them truly ours, we must think them over again honestly, till they take root in our personal experience."

~ Goethe
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 25, 14 3:21 AM
To think what one thinks has been thought countless times makes one think "thought" quantifiable.
By loading... (601), quiogue on May 26, 14 11:05 AM
I've come up with something rather quantifiable:

Trickle down, Reaganomics, Mellonomics, Horse and Sparrow, it's all the same thing. It failed in 1837,1857, 1866, royally in 1869, 1873 heralded the Long Depression, 1893, 1896, 1901, 1907, massively in 1929, 1937,(note the 50 year gap, thanks to the CEA of 1936 and Glass-Steagall) 1987, 1989, 1990, 1997, 2000, and SPECTACULARLY during 2007-2008.

No matter what you call it, it is what it is. HORSE**** ECONOMICS.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 29, 14 5:00 PM
Certainly the people's insistence that their candidates should present themselves ungirt and without a tunic had nothing to do with any suspicion of bribery, for it was not until long afterwards that the abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining the elections. Later on, however, this process of corruption spread to the law courts and to the army, and finally, when even the sword became enslaved by the power of gold, the republic was subjected ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 24, 14 9:15 PM
wow I was busy for one week and I missed phils melt down, very sad
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on May 29, 14 2:13 AM
Originality abounds.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 29, 14 8:57 PM
War on Woman Hoping Local Cops Can Be Educated About Breastfeeding

#yesallwomen LoL

There is you Hilary campaign tactical forecast
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on May 29, 14 10:41 PM
Be thankful If the worst that could happen is Hilary gets elected,

She is only 1 quarter as bad as Obama

The progressive movement really wants Elizabeth Warren she would pick up where Barry left off and continue to destroy what little is left of our constitution.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 29, 14 11:20 PM
"continue to destroy what little is left of our constitution."


You wouldn't understand the vernacular the document is written in if I spent a week coaching you in the King's English. Via etymology, most of the language means something completely different than it does today. An obsolete definition of "wealth" which applies to the period is "happiness". Thusly, the word "commonwealth" meant something totally different back then.

AND, it's not just because English is your ...more
May 30, 14 11:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
Just a heads up, the difference would be the document was written in Early/Late Modern English. "We" don't speak that kind of English today.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 29, 14 11:46 PM
your so silly Philly you know it is not the gender or the color its the politics.

Ben Carson = Good
Elizabeth Warren = BAD

Berny Sanders = BAD
Condi Rice = GOOD

your not fooling anyone with that anymore, but it is amusing to watch you think you are.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 30, 14 8:54 AM
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no, thats what you did here for 12 weeks with Newtown CT
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 30, 14 10:24 AM
Its ok Phil we know why you hate Ben Carson
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on May 30, 14 10:51 AM
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He hates Ben Carson for the same reason all libs hate him. They like to spank the slave once they come off of the plantation.
By Josurfer (12), southampton on May 30, 14 11:16 AM
He hates Ben Carson for the same reason all libs hate him. They like to spank the slave once they come off of the plantation.
By Josurfer (12), southampton on May 30, 14 11:16 AM
Its not a funding problem its a leadership problem !

Only now after King Barack Hussein Obama II has had a chance to read about his latest scandal in the news paper and finally realized there was a problem has begrudgingly relieved Eric Shinseki of his command

VA funding year over year as follows:
2009:$97.7 billion;
2010:$127.2 billion;
2011: $125.5 billion;
2012: $126.8 billion;
2013: $139.1 billion;
2014: $153.8 billion;
2015: $163.9 billion.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on May 30, 14 11:27 AM
I am confused you mean same Bernie Sanders that praised the ACA passing when Nancy Pelosi Said the opposite ???

March 19, 2010 – just days before Obamacare became law, then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a speech before the Legislative Conference for the National Association of Counties, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it !"

Sanders whole heartedly voted for that Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. Why didn't you let any ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on May 30, 14 11:42 AM
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Dan the Man !
Put Phil back in his can.

Senate majority in 14

Yes we Can !
Yes we Can!
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 30, 14 12:02 PM
"Job Creators". Unfettered, unregulated, and unpoliced capitalism at work folks. WWJD, eh?

MEH.


More disabled workers paid just pennies an hour

By Anna Schecter, Monica Alba and Mark Schone


A national charity whose executives earn six-figure salaries used a legal loophole to pay disabled workers as little as three and four cents an hour, according to documents obtained exclusively by NBC News.








An NBC ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 29, 14 12:28 PM
Jay Carney gets the boot and you waste no time filling the minister of propaganda role.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 31, 14 1:36 AM
So which of the aging baby boomers should be killed off to get you your savings in health care and Social security costs?
May 31, 14 11:25 PM appended by VOS
Perhaps, Mr. Captain, you'd share with us that part of your ox that is available for goring.
By VOS (1241), WHB on May 31, 14 11:25 PM
Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has won another straw poll, boosting his national profile and elevating his name among potential 2016 presidential contenders.

Cruz finished in first place in the annual conference's presidential straw poll at 30.33%. Dr. Ben Carson, a Fox News commentator and conservative activist, finished in second with 29.38% while Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, was third with 10.43%.

Ill gladly take any of the three
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 1, 14 11:18 PM
Here is the proof of what was said here last week,

Phil and the rest of the progressive cult are angling for Elizabeth Warren thats who they really want for obvious reasons (She is a radical and will pick up destroying what is left of our republic, where BHO left off)

CHRIS MATTHEWS:Asking What Hillary Clinton Was Doing During Benghazi Here's one question I think she may have a problem with, and David Corn, you and I are in the business here. Putting down the idea that there's ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 1, 14 11:32 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

Hallelujah! Providence divines Ted the next Republican Presidential nominee. May ALL Republicans come to this realization!

to 27dan:

Here's the full quote of Nancy Pelosi's statement, "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy."

In further explanation she stated, "What I was saying there is we are House and the Senate. We get a bill. We go to conference or we ping-pong it, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 2, 14 9:56 AM
to Captn America:

Rubbish. Your misinterpretation of Rep. Pelosi's words is a typical, fanciful Right-Wing distortion. She was speaking of the dedication that was required to pass the bill over obdurate and mean-spirited Republican intransigence.

Regarding, Sen. Ayotte, it's a shame that she didn't care about the thousands who would have died had her opposition to Affordable Care been successful. Death, one might observe, is rather finally HARMFUL.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 2, 14 1:54 PM
Hmmmmm, does anyone else find any humor in how far this has gotten off topic. It is about "Woman Hoping Local Cops Can Be Educated About Breastfeeding". and the comments started on April 16. How hard up are the usuals to find a soap box? You have to admit there is humor here.

You are all sentenced to read Steve Martin's book Pure Drivel. I will also have to re-read.
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Jun 2, 14 10:02 PM
Que, sera, sera.

At least it's hemmed in here, and not spreading to other threads like pestilence...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 2, 14 11:34 PM
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By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Jun 2, 14 10:02 PM
to Captn America:

At the risk of offending an extreme Right-Winger with fact, here's what the CBO said about increasing unemployment insurance in a January 14, 2010 report:

“Policies that could be implemented relatively quickly or targeted toward people whose consumption tends to be restricted by their income, such as ... INCREASING AID TO THE UNEMPLOYED, would have the LARGEST EFFECTS ON OUTPUT AND EMPLOYMENT PER DOLLAR OF BUDGETARY COST in 2010 and 2011.” (emphasis ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 3, 14 10:10 AM
Just one word -

DISGUST ...
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 3, 14 9:39 PM
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Yes it has been a surreal day for sure. I had to go out for a walk after Obama's approving smile at the utterance of “Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim" by the father

Qatar allowing released Taliban men to move freely in country...
Reintegration: Military hides Bergdahl from public view...
FLASHBACK: 'Converted to Islam And Taught Captors Bomb Making Skills'...
NYT: Left note explaining desertion before going AWOL...
REPORT: Wanted to Renounce Citizenship...
Bergdahl: ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 3, 14 10:30 PM
I Just wanted the
MSNBC crowd to see what the rest of the world was talking about since they are ignoring the big story over there and talking about why Elizabeth Warren should reconsider a run against Hillary
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 4, 14 9:34 AM
"He considered unconstitutional" It's not up to Him to decide the constitutionality of law, that's for the Judiciary branch of the Federal government. Three co-equal branches, not King Obama! He has stepped over the line once again, looks like an impeachable offense this time, He'll have to play the race card to get out of this one.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 4, 14 6:08 AM
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"Gone"?!
Would that they were.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 4, 14 7:34 AM
...or sending a Predator to kill an American without a trial?
That is 0bama.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 4, 14 9:22 AM
fresh off of a deal with international terrorists, is announcing a new effort to target domestic terror...

Translation back to trying a new angle to repel the 2nd




By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 4, 14 9:39 AM
"Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. 'When you’re in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesn’t matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped,' he said. 'We’re going to turn the ship around and pick you up.'"*

... unless the captain is a extremist Right-Winger. In which case he would launch an investigation to see if the seaman had gone over the side involuntarily ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 4, 14 9:48 AM
the zealots will always support Mr. Obama no matter what he does. But if you are a thinking person, all the chaos in Washington is embarrassing and the explanations just plain incredible.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 4, 14 10:53 AM
to They call me:

To judge by their appearance on this forum, extreme Right-Wingers gave up any pretense at "thinking" years ago, if by thinking one means objective analysis and rational conclusion. They simply finesse reality to fit the tenets of their faith and then relentlessly bat their delusional observations back and forth between each other (supra.)

Their behavior is, however, instructive. Citizens whose clarity remains intact can learn from a study of their madness how ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 4, 14 11:27 AM
Even I, a consistent and at times harsh critic of the President, have been taken aback by the latest turn of events.

To recap, obama released five high-value, high-risk terrorists from Guantanamo Bay in exchange for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who it appears was a deserter, and has been known to be a deserter for a couple of years. People who served with him are calling on the military to court martial Bergdahl. Media reports indicate that at least six Americans died in their efforts to rescue ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 4, 14 6:32 PM
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Earth to Phil-- Qatar didn't hold the traitor prisoner, the TALIBAN did! You conveniently ignore the FACT that Barry Soetoro didn't have the authority to make the "deal" . Bergdahl was not a POW, HE WAS HELD CAPTURE BY A BUNCH OF Islamic RADICALS!!!! The Taliban dream team that is now back in friendly territory were not POWs either. Your boy Barry cut a deal with terrorists! Yet you still support Him! Unbelievable!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 4, 14 5:18 PM
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But It really is not that unbelievable that he supports this criminal action. Think about who Phil is BF .... It is so sad people like this walk among us. I understand why everyone is so angry by Phil's support of this but I don't understand why you would not expect it from him Local 84 or Mets fan
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 4, 14 5:32 PM
big fresh is exactly correct, this is a travesty on the american people and very scary that this administration would 5 of these radical islamic killers back out on the streets.in a trade for terrorist sympathizer at the very least.

can we talk about impeaching this radical man from power now?
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jun 4, 14 5:53 PM
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Biggie, don't even respond to that trash
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 4, 14 6:33 PM
Phil, regardless of the claim of "who" we negotiated with, did we release 5 terrorists? If Bergdahl deserted, was he worth trading for?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 4, 14 8:54 PM
Phil, there is a very good reason why we shouldn't make these deals and why no administration before this, to my knowledge, has done so. However painful and sad to the pow involved, it will not end well for other American citizens. There are very serious long term ramifications. I don't believe Obama did this out of some devotion to this particular serviceman, I just don't. It is politics at it's worst.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 5, 14 12:05 PM
What about the other 600 we released from Gitmo?

Shameless hypocrisy.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 5, 14 11:02 PM
MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski: Why Would Susan Rice Repeatedly Say Bergdahl Served Honorably?

i also would like someone to answer that question


MIKA BRZEZINSKI: I want to put this into context with John Heilemann, and ask you a question. I think it's three tough questions. The question about his health, it's a controversy. Why, then, also given his background and everything that we are finding from people who served with him and people who have covered this story and letters that ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jun 4, 14 6:49 PM
5 terrorist released , senior Taliban members. Let that sink into your thick skull Phil, 5 terrorist higher ups, planners, leaders let out of prison by Barak HUSSEIN Obama. If these animals cause any more deaths it's on His hands, but I'm sure you'll find a way to spin it to cover His arse. Carry on .
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 5, 14 6:07 AM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 5, 14 6:07 AM
Administration considers freeing another Gitmo inmate...
BERGDAHL HOMETOWN WELCOME CANCELED...
3 More Members Of Platoon Speak Out...
We Were Told 'To Keep Quiet'...
White House miscalculated reaction...
Faces growing fury in Congress...
PANETTA: I opposed...
WILL: When a president goes rogue...
LAW PROF: The President Nixon Always Wanted To Be...
Detainee Release Rattles Afghans...
Biden remains 'neutral'...
IMPEACHMENT' IF HE DOES IT AGAIN
Jun 5, 14 9:09 AM appended by 27dan
“is not excess of criticism, but an absence of self-criticism.” The Obama of 2008 promised he would end divisiveness by bringing us together, instead, as president, he has sought to end divisiveness by forcing everyone to accept his views. And in the end, he has achieved neither.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 5, 14 9:09 AM
There is no question that getting Bergdahl back was the right thing to do. The US military leaves no soldier behind, period. That's an unassailable rule, as reiterated above by both an admiral and a SEAL. Nonetheless, the extreme Right-Wingers herein don't like that rule. THEY want to make an exception in Bergdahl's case because he MAY have acted dishonorably. THEY have decided that five Talibanis are worth more than one American.

Thank god that the well-being of our servicemen doesn't ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 5, 14 9:24 AM
Complete BS hhs. If you think the US gov't leaves no soldier behind, you are delusional. This was an ill advised PR stunt. Don't try to portray conservatives as anti military when it is exactly the opposite. This is the intent of this stunt.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 5, 14 9:25 PM
Lets assume for the sake of responding to you that bergdahl was not a deserter and his father is not a apologist for America and a supporter of radical Islamic terrorists interests.

Lets assume obama did not swagger out with his octo arms around the mothers waist and then listen with a smirk and a smile while the father recited what amounts to a Islamic call of victory in Pashtu,

Lets also assume that Bergdahl did not tweet , and then delete the following message: “I am ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 5, 14 11:26 AM
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Maybe we should apologize.

We haven't installed a dictatorship in years...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 5, 14 10:37 PM
to Captn America & 27dan:

Thanks to both of you for proving my point about the callous insensitivity (and, especially in this case, the gobsmacking stupidity) of the extreme Right-Wing. To reiterate, it is an unassailable tenet of the American military, upon which all servicemen rely, that they will not be left behind. YOU would replace that guarantee with equivocation.

Your fanciful fictionalization of the facts (e.g. five previously unknown Talibani have now become "masterminds") ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 5, 14 12:38 PM
Out of almost 800 detainees, just over 600 were released without charges. Didn't hear y'all moaning about those released as a "threat", or a concern of any kind.

This has to be one of the saddest displays of chest beating, and bombast I've observed in quite some time.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 5, 14 10:56 PM
Still doesn't make this a good idea. That is something my daughters would say, "well she did it". We are going to encourage the capture and detention of our soldiers if our enemy thinks that we are open to trading for them.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 14 7:37 AM
The commentary by his fellow soldiers is pretty damning. Whatever, he is an American citizen and deserves to come home but not by breaking the intelligent policy of not negotiating with terrorists.

Phil, why do you always infer the worst possible interpretation of every poster you debate with? You do it every single time. Is that the only way to distract, with smoke and mirrors? Not a single post suggested that we leave out service men and women behind even if some posters questioned ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 14 7:06 PM
Can you " teabag" a leg?

Gotta, admit, that is pretty funny.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 7, 14 12:53 PM
""Phil, regardless of the claim of "who" we negotiated with, did we release 5 terrorists? If Bergdahl deserted, was he worth trading for?
By dnice (1208), Hampton Bays on Jun 4, 14 8:54 PM"

This is the point I was trying to make Phil. You sensationalize and try to twist posts. Show me where I convicted him of anything. I asked a question which you conveniently didn't answer. You took my question and tried to paint it as an accusation.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 7, 14 12:59 PM
from Time: "Asked whether the Taliban would be inspired by the exchange to kidnap others, a commander laughed. “Definitely."
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 5, 14 2:47 PM
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JOE SCARBOROUGH: Let me just say right here, yes, damn straight it matters that he was a deserter instead of a war hero, and yes, damn straight it matters that maybe six Americans have already died because he wanted to roam the fields of Pakistan. Damn straight that you leave him there if it means that more Americans are going to get killed and more daughters and sons are going to grow up without their moms and dads because this guy and his father, who is sitting in the Rose Garden with the president ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 5, 14 10:39 PM
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In other news:

Law professor tells senators: If money is speech, outlawing prostitution is unconstitutional

By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:26 EDT


An American law professor told senators on Tuesday that outlawing prostitution was a violation of the First Amendment if spending money was a form of free speech.

“Your other point though about money not equaling speech is a critical point for people to understand,” American University ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 5, 14 11:35 PM
When obama burst onto the national scene, he almost immediately became an inspirational figure. For a moment, it seemed like the promise of a uniter, not a divider, could provide leadership which whatever Obama’s personal ideology could lead to a healthier politics and a less fractured society.Obama’s tenure in office has turned all these hopes into despair – despair in the corruption of our institutions, in the capability of our government, in our ability to manage large systems ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 6, 14 12:49 AM
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Didn't take long to pull out the race card.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 14 7:32 AM
The main source of financial support to African-American students, the United Negro College Fund (UNCF), just received a donation of $25 million.
From the Koch brothers.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 6, 14 7:02 PM
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A military op to bring back a captured soldier is one thing, releasing 5 high level Taliban leaders is just ludicrous ! When these animals cause the death of anyone, the blood will be on Barak HUSSEIN Obama's hands, but the left will absolve Him of any wrongdoing , again. Pitiful
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 6, 14 6:15 AM
Being associated with the Taliban is not a crime. We had nothing to prosecute them with and would have had to release them to Afghanistan, instead of Qatar where we can keep tabs on them. We were unable to try them for a crime in about a DECADE. Once the war ends, international law stipulates they must be released.

You just can't fix stupid.
Jun 6, 14 10:07 AM appended by Mr. Z
And actually, you would probably like living in Qatar. Their citizens pay no taxes.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 6, 14 10:07 AM
Z, you shouldn't call others with a different opinion stupid. The perception of this deal is the problem. It will probably lead to the capture and holding of more US soldiers. If this deal had to be made, why not do it in secrecy without the dog and pony show? The question is rhetorical as we all know the answer.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 14 9:34 PM
It's from a comedy routine. What I'm pretty sure it means is a lack of horse sense.

We have to let these people go no matter what once our "war" is over. This administration managed to get something, for what would have been nothing. And you know that the Fourth Estate would have found a way to publicize this, and the "right" sure would regardless because they think doing everything within their ability to make this man a "failure" will somehow make them better or more appealing somehow.

And, ...more
Jun 6, 14 11:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, kidnapping for ransom is as old a tactic as warfare itself. We've got plenty of worthless detainees, legally speaking. Bellum est sycophantium.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 6, 14 11:11 PM
And just a thought, how many POWs did George Bush receive in return for the approximately 600 detainees released under his watch, including one who was later implicated in the Benghazi bombing?

War is a racket, and it's ramifications are rarely, if ever palatable. And, I thought I'd use a better noun for my previous aphorism: Bellum est circumscriptorem.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 14 12:07 AM
Geneva Conventions ring a bell for all those griping?

Probably not...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 14 9:29 AM
"The right has said worse things than that. To deny it is stupid.

They would have complained regardless of how the deal was made."

You really think that is a trait exclusive to the right? Talk about denial
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 7, 14 12:55 PM
That doesn't make it right Z. I am tired to the "well the other side would do it" argument. It doesn't give us any positive progress.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 7, 14 1:04 PM
I would say the thought process in question ends in the same lack of progress.

I deal with the general public day in, and day out. I take the time to read what people say in reviews, comments, blogs. You get to see how people think, and what kind of precursory preconceived notions lead to irrational conclusions devoid of logical thought and often reason.

The biggest mistake often made is that things are simple, and numbers or statistics don't matter. It should be noted that ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 14 8:09 PM
Yes, because deep down inside we are still animals.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 14 6:31 PM
Indeed.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 14 11:15 PM
to Captn America:

As you requested, herewith find citations authenticating that Bergdahl's health was deteriorating and that, as a result, Taliban interest in keeping him alive was diminishing. (Data freely available to anyone interested in finding fact rather than in broadcasting ignorant propaganda.):

“A secret intelligence analysis, based on a comparison of Taliban videos of Sgt. Bergdahl in captivity in 2011 and December 2013 that were provided to the U.S., found that ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 6, 14 9:34 AM
Y'all do realize that Qatar is a significant ally not only for us, but for France and the UK as well? We have troops stationed there, and it's a major waypoint for the war in Afghanistan. They and the Taliban are not "friends". They were released to them for a reason. It's far better than eventually having to hand them over to Afghanistan.

If the Taliban thinks this is a "win", they are about as smart as the people griping about it. We took something worth nothing in eventuality and ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 6, 14 10:26 AM
The Obama Post-Presidency Has Begun
Jun 6, 14 11:29 AM appended by joe hampton
92,009,000 Americans Not Working... Labor Force at 36-Year Low...
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 6, 14 11:29 AM
Marisa Tomei reads Cindy Sheehan


Just watch it.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 6, 14 4:55 PM
Z: The United States of Amnesia, in Sag Harbor FYI.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 6, 14 7:11 PM
Senator Jeff Sessions has released a statement that says, "7 Million People Have Left The Workforce Since The President Took Office." The statement is in response to today's jobs numbers.

"Today’s jobs numbers are only enough to tread even with population growth, maintaining unemployment at 6.3 percent. When you include discouraged workers, the unemployment rate doubles to an alarming 12.2 percent. There are still 3.2 million fewer full-time employed persons than there were in 2007," ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 6, 14 9:13 PM
@PBR:

Thanks! I am definitely going to have to make some time for that. Gore Vidal is one of my idols. He actually gave me my penchant for aphorisms. Will they be running it through June, or all summer?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 6, 14 11:17 PM
Cindy Sheehan makes Socialist run for Calif. governor slot, cites Hugo Chavez as inspiration

Theres a real role model

Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember her own son could not stomach her politics either
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 7, 14 6:14 AM
From a video about a mother's expressions about love, loss, and war, we get a rant about her personal politics.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 14 8:57 PM
Per Zeir Fa(r)ceBook page, today at 5 is the last show. Hopefully it will return . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 8, 14 7:06 AM
Now playing through Thursday at 5 PM every day.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 9, 14 2:54 PM
We should have watered boarded the terrorists, retrieve as much intel as possible then shot them. Problem solved.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 7, 14 9:15 AM
Missed that chapter on the Geneva Conventions in history class, or are you just being facetious?
Jun 7, 14 9:26 AM appended by Mr. Z
You may want to give the Fourth Convention a look...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 14 9:26 AM
bigfresh, hard to take you seriously sometimes with this type of post.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 7, 14 1:09 PM
Sometimes?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 14 5:56 PM
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to Captn America:

How foolish of me. On the one side we have an "intelligence analysis" of the data - and on the other Joe Manchin's "opinion" (supporting the Right Wing preconception) of a video. How could I have overlooked the qualitative difference that makes Manchin more authoritative here?

Quote:

"While you agree that Bergdahl is worthy of a dishonorable discharge and evidence to date suggests he deserted in a time of war which is punishable by death, it is amusing ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 7, 14 9:18 AM

to Captn America:

More lies.

Bergdahl WAS de facto “AWOL” since INTENT is not required for this transgression. Intent IS, however, required for the charge of "Desertion". YOUR "classic definition" is NOT the military's (UCMJ, Articles 85 &86.) Your assertion that Bergdahl is a deserter is simply another of your transparent, partisan falsehoods. Bergdahl's status re desertion will be determined by a military court marshal, if convened. D'uh.

Your ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 8, 14 9:17 AM
You are a sick indivdual
Jun 8, 14 12:22 PM appended by They call me
individual
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 8, 14 12:22 PM
Hot off the wire madness,

If you thought President Obama’s release of five top Taliban commanders in exchange for POW Bowe Bergdahl was bad, wait until you see what his Gitmo parole board plans.
Desperate to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison by the end of his term, Obama quietly is giving “get out of jail free” cards for the flimsiest of excuses.
One al Qaeda suspect captured in Afghanistan is considered reformed because he took up yoga and read a biography of the ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 8, 14 12:21 PM
I read this is the NEW YORK POST This morning as well , Lil

Go look at the pictures of these three you can see the evil intention in there eyes, "Thats right I said It"

Milk and Honey Farm ROTFLOL. get ready for the next 9-11 and remember !
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 8, 14 12:29 PM
to Captn America:

Dear god, you quote the section of the UMCJ requiring "intent" for desertion and then ignore it. Your previous post said, in your words that "[Bergdahl] had missed important duty as part of a military deployment, the classic definition of desertion." That's total BS, as my reference to the UMCJ and its requirement for "intent" proved.

Nevertheless, rather than apologize for your error, your REPEAT it without correcting your prior assumption that he IS a deserter ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 8, 14 1:04 PM
You people griping do realize that the five men in question will be held in Qatar, which is an ALLY for the next YEAR?

The entire debacle is politically motivated BS. Saint Ronnie sold 1500 missiles to Iran (clandestinely) for three hostages, who were replaced by three more. Would it have been more palatable if we got $10K a head to boot for each man? I believe it was George Shultz who called the entire debacle a "hostage bazaar". It's business as usual, unless your blithely ignorant ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 14 11:30 PM



"What me worry?"

AEN


By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 9, 14 7:40 AM



Rest in Peace, Sister Jackie Walsh, 23 months -- 99 weeks -- later.

United States of Amnesia.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 9, 14 7:44 AM
to Captn America:

Perhaps it is that your enormous proboscis as depicted on your avatar is affecting your ability to read the printed word rather than that my high hat is preventing my absorption of its meaning. I, at least, can see clearly that the citation that you post does NOT assert that desertion can EVER be found in the absence of intent.

Here's your cite:

“The primary difference between the two offenses is intent to remain away permanently, OR (emphasis ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 9, 14 10:20 AM
to Capn America:

AWOL is a "status" charge. Regardless of the reason, a soldier is AWOL if he doesn't show up. It doesn't require adjudication.

"Desertion" requires "intent", either not to show up permanently or, AS YOU PROXIMATE QUOTE SHOWS, to avoid hazardous duty. (For god's sake, the word "intent" recurs repeatedly in the paragraph.)

You cannot infer intent from status, it has to be determined by a military court martial.

Ergo, your assumption of Bergdahl's ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 9, 14 5:50 PM

AMERICA STUGGLES WITH SURGE IN CHILD MIGRATION...
Kids Complaining Burritos They're Being Fed Making Them Sick...
JUDGE: 'Government has simply chosen not to enforce border laws'...
Third military base opens for migrants...
Agents threatened with firing after photos leak...
MEMO: 230,000 children expected over 24 months...
Officers diverted from handling crimes...
'40% of agents not at border'...
Sen. Sessions: Obama 'committed to escalating lawlessness'...
Congressman: ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 10, 14 6:58 AM
to Captn America:

If you're going to post revisionist codswallop to conceal your previous errors, you at least should not do so in the same thread with the blunders themselves. Here's what you originally said, mere inches above, after I had stated that Bergdahl was AWOL:

"In classic hhs slippery fashion you classify Bergdahl as being AWOL. Problem with that incorrect reclassification, he wasn't merely AWOL, he had missed important duty as part of a military deployment, the classic ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 10, 14 11:49 AM
CONDITIONS DETERIORATE AT AZ SHELTER
Chicken pox, staph infection fears...
Widespread sexual activity...
Feds violating child abuse laws?
Valerie Jarrett in secret meetings with activists...
PAPER: Influx 'threatens to transform nation'...
Questions surround surge at border...
Border Agent Issues Plea for Help, Says USA Overrun By Criminal Aliens...
Deportation costs soar...
THIRD military base tapped to house illegal immigrant children...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 10, 14 5:18 PM
These "children" will receive better healthcare than our military veterans. Where are all the "common sense" Democrats? You need to put your country first not your political party. We cannot afford to add these people to our already strained welfare rolls. We are 17 trillion in debt with a record number of people on Government assistance, high unemployment and a record number of people not in the job market. This is crazy............
And China will call in the debt - that you can count on - ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 10, 14 11:11 PM
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Still think it takes less than ten years to undo forty years worth of damage, eh? More money is owed to Social Security than China. Just FYI, China is owed about 1.3 billion. The Fed could print that in a week.

You almost had me until you blamed "Obama voters".
Jun 11, 14 11:12 AM appended by Mr. Z
Pardon, 1.3 trillion.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 11, 14 11:12 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Well if you REALLY want to get technical o’ not-so-wise one, we’re both wrong for Bergdahl hasn’t been formally charged with anything. LOL! So was Bergdahl potentially AWOL what says the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION? Yes. Is he potentially a deserter in the court of public opinion having shown intent (GASP) of missing important duty at a time of military deployment? Yes!"
----------------------------------------------------------

You ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 10, 14 9:11 PM
DC ROCKED: CANTOR LOSES PRIMARY

Cantor loss, a defeat for amnesty", Tonight is as we look at this extraordinary upset is what does this tell us about the role of the tea party within the Republican party? And what it tells me is the Republican party cannot ignore the tea party.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 10, 14 11:09 PM
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...the consequences of using children as political pawns.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 11, 14 7:16 AM
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Congratulations to David Brat, Mark Levin and we the people for a job well done.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 11, 14 9:54 AM
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I hope this sends a clear message to other RINO's to stop contributing to the Progressive agenda. Now I suggest we boycott the rest in the Republican Establishment who have worked against the Tea Party. Don't vote for Boehner in his Ohio district this November.
Take a long time to think about whether you would prefer one more Democrat in Congress and be able to get rid of John Boehner.
Let's see how many voters the RINOs really have. If they like spending money to defeat the voices of ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 11, 14 10:14 AM
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I hope this sends a clear message to other RINO's to stop contributing to the Progressive agenda
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 11, 14 9:00 PM
Chris Matthews: "Looking Down Our Noses At The Tea Party Has Got To Stop"
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 11, 14 9:08 PM
The flooding of America’s Southwest border with thousands of illegal-alien children seeking government handouts and citizenship is the intended outcome of policies by the obama administration derived from a strategy by radical sociologists to transform America into a socialist state.
In the 1960s, professors Andrew Cloward and Francis Fox Piven of Columbia University, obama’s alma mater, devised a plan to provoke chaos by deliberately overwhelming governmental systems and the U.S. ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 11, 14 10:18 PM
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Probably too ignorant to know that Honduras is the murder capital of the world.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 11, 14 11:06 PM
President Obama Job Approval


Reuters/Ipsos 6/11 - 6/5 Approve 38 Disapprove 55 -17
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 11, 14 10:31 PM
Congress job approval:
Congress Job Approval Starts 2014 at 13% - Gallup.Com
By Panthan (2), Sacramento on Jun 12, 14 12:23 PM
Agreed the congress needs to get the boot with the administration you reap what you sow and in 6 years the current crew has make a bad situation into a disaster,

and the American apology tour continues,

ISLAMISTS CLOSE IN ON BAGHDAD

IRAQ ANARCHY SPIRAL...
Terrorists 'full-blown army'...
Medieval Sharia Law Imposed...
Thousands of Iraqis take up arms...
Army Collapses...
PM Asks USA for Strikes...
Iran Deploys Forces...
Americans evacuated...
Germany ...more
Jun 12, 14 2:35 PM appended by 27dan
FLASHBACK: Biden: Iraq One of Obama's 'Great Achievements'...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 12, 14 2:35 PM
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Arab Spring,

King Barack Hussein Obama II Legacy in Iraq

First Falluja, then Mosul, and now the oil-refinery town of Bayji. The rapid advance of Al Qaeda-inspired militants across the Sunni heartland of northern and western Iraq has been stunning and relentless—and utterly predictable. Here’s a forecast: the bad news is just beginning.

The capture of Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, by Sunni extremists on Tuesday is the most dramatic example of the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 12, 14 2:45 PM
Iraq crisis: Baghdad prepares for the worst as Islamist militants vow to capture the city a execute thousands, Apparently Phil is ok with this ? Is it easier to join the side of the Islamic extremists than admit your boy is making a huge mistakes almost every week since he was elected,

WHAT A MESS
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 12, 14 6:43 PM
I find it very hypocritical that you say there is only so much we can do as you seem to condone letting thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants into our country to take advantage of our resources.

"Actually, they're coming here because of increased violence in central America"

because it's politically expedient for your cause
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 12, 14 8:06 PM
It doesn't matter a whit what's going on with the popularity of Congress, he may lose the Senate, but he is governing without the Congress.

He has got his own constitution that he is operating under. He now regulates the entire healthcare system. And the story that was missed among all the scandals that are supposedly undoing his presidency is the climate change regulations. This is all by regulation; nothing in legislation.

He doesn't need the Congress, which is going to revolutionize ...more
Jun 12, 14 8:56 PM appended by joe hampton
To Panthen, Krauthammer: Obama Operating Under His Own Constitution, "Ruling Like A Banana Republic" CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Look, if this is were a parliamentary system like Britain, we he would have a call for a vote of no confidence and the government would be out, we would have new elections.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 12, 14 8:56 PM
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Yes, We should have left a contingent in Iraq as we did in Germany and South Korea for at least a generation. Why?

So the girls can go to school without fear and grow up to lead this region of animal men out of there caves. You would think you would be for such a concept, But no your an hypocritical ideologue. In this country you support the barbaric act of convenience known as abortion on demand... you say its a womens right to choice... but then would leave the little girls and young ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 13, 14 12:11 AM
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8 weeks.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 13, 14 1:03 AM
How do you know where I have gone or not. Where were you on 911? have any friends or family in those buildings?

As for sacrifice, We already made the sacrifice and it would seem Obama made sure it was for all for nothing.
Jun 13, 14 6:51 AM appended by joe hampton
MARK LEVIN: When you look at the Declaration of Independence and truly it's magnificence -- that statement of humanity, justice, righteousness to liberty. When you look at the constitution they hammered out in less than five months. A little over 4000 words. It's the first time anything like that ever occurred in human history. And it's likely the last time anything like that will occur in human history. And when you consider our history. The people who have fought to preserve -- our founding and those principles -- so that successive generations could enjoy the blessings of liberty. When you consider all the men and women who have died in one war after another, who sacrificed and one war after another. So young, so many of them who could never enjoy the freedom that we take for granted. It is just mind-boggling, it really is. Many of you listening have had families touched by war; most of you listening have not. When I see what's going on in Iraq right now, and I think to myself it didn't have to be this way. That Obama and Biden refused to enter into the appropriate arrangements with the government there. I think this is one of the greatest failures in American national security and foreign policy history.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 13, 14 6:51 AM
to Captn America:

Contrary to your latest lie, President Obama committed no crime. It is no crime to disobey a law that is invalid, as is the law requiring notification of congress, trespassing, as it does on the president's authority as leader of the executive branch and as supreme commander of the armed forces.

There is, of course, a remedy that House Republicans can employ to sanction a "criminal" president. It's called IMPEACHMENT, and the founding fathers included it in ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 12, 14 10:33 AM
Civil disobedience is the root of dissent.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 13, 14 1:05 AM
to Captn America:

Again, you are not reading critically. Sen. Feinstein expresses dismay that the president didn't follow the law and notify the committee. That's reasonable, although presidential advisers have noted the exigencies that prevented them from so doing in this case. It's a complaint, not an accusation, as noted by the fact that she avoids the buzzword, "broke", that you employ.

However, even if he "broke" the law, which I have no qualms about saying he "might" have ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 12, 14 12:23 PM
to Captn America:

["sigh"] Perhaps you should ask the lunatic Right-Wing extremists in the House to draft articles of impeachment. THAT'S the legal remedy that you seek and the ONLY means by which a judicial determination can be reached as to the legality of the president's actions.

Alas, even the lunatic Right-Wing will not do something so stupefyingly dumbheaded as that, but we live in hope. (In between World Cup matches, we could enjoy watching Right-Wingers embarrass themselves.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 13, 14 2:15 PM
to Captn America:

So stop your caterwauling and complaining. If you are unhappy with the judicial remedies provided, raise the bloody flag of revolution. Not doubt your demented colleagues will flock to your banner - - - whereupon we can institutionalize you all.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 14, 14 4:11 PM
obama More unpopular than President George W. Bush in poll

A new CNN survey suggests obama is even more unpopular as President George W. Bush.

Just over half of those polled, 51 percent, have an unfavorable view of obama, and 51 percent currently feel the same about Bush, according to a CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday.

Forty-seven percent of the public has a favorable rating of obama, which CNN said is a new low for him, and roughly identical to Bush’s ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 12, 14 8:15 PM
TCM, that is one of many polls to come out since yesterday reflecting the same thing

The dam has cracked wide open and the MSM cant patch it up fast enough... like UD said above wow what a mess...

This from todays Wall street Jornal...

The fall of Mosul, Iraq, to al Qaeda terrorists this week is as big in its implications as Russia's annexation of Crimea. But from the Obama presidency, barely a peep.

Barack Obama is fiddling while the world burns. Iraq, Pakistan, ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 12, 14 8:28 PM
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Another hectic day for Mr. President; how does he do it. First appointment 10:55 am and last appointment at 2:05 pm today where he honored the WNBA Champion Minnesota Lynx.

From the WH Schedule for June 12, 2014
10:55 am The President holds a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Tony Abbott of Australia; the Vice President also attends
Oval Office
Pool Spray at the Bottom
Gather Time 11:40AM – Brady Press Briefing Room
12:30 pm The President and the ...more
Jun 12, 14 8:54 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
It's good to be the King.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jun 12, 14 8:54 PM
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Tesla Motors turns all its patents over to the open source movement

Thank you Elon Musk, and special thanks to Gene Roddenberry for dreaming of a future where self improvement defines wealth, not the size of your trophies.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 13, 14 1:18 AM
0bama tells Tumblr users, Wednesday: "The world has never been less violent or more tolerant than it is right now."

The King has spoken
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 13, 14 4:44 AM
EX-BORDER AGENTS: IMMIGRANT FLOOD 'ORCHESTRATED'
'We are not gullible enough to believe thousands came without aid and assistance'

An organization of former Border Patrol agents Wednesday charged that the federal government, under the administration of President Obama, is deliberately arranging for a flood of immigrant children to arrive in America for political purposes

“This is not a humanitarian crisis. It is a predictable, orchestrated and contrived assault on the ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 13, 14 7:00 AM
Dan said Obama “attempt to flood border” part of infamous socialist “Cloward-Piven” strategy, Does this surprise you?

Never in the last 50 years here in the US have I seen the country go so far towards communism. Here are just a few examples of slogans and concepts directly lifted from communism/Marxism:
Forward!
Single payer
Income inequality
Fairness
Spread the wealth
Income redistribution
Report suspicious activity to the President's ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 13, 14 7:17 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 13, 14 7:17 AM
You do realize it was the first generation of American citizens who coined the phrase: "Get Forward".

Actually, you're probably clueless...
Jun 14, 14 11:45 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, your entire post demonstrates you know little of early 19th century American History. The one thing that early, original American Citizens held most dear was their equality. They denounced vehemently a miniscule sect of the population holding a massive amount of their nation's wealth. Aristocracy was condemned. They barred corporations from involvement with government, or any place in civic life. Social distinctions being perpetuated across generations was considered intolerable, and unacceptable. There were even some who believed that property should be lessened when it became excessive, as a society could not remain Republican if a small minority controlled most of a Republic's wealth. ******** "Americans knew only too well that Republics are very delicate polities which require a special kind of society. A society of equal, and virtuous citizens." ~ Gordon Wood ***** "A certain degree of equality is essential to human bliss. Happy above all countries, is our country. ~ Thomas Shippen ******* "By throwing off monarchy, and becoming Republics (A.of C.)Americans had changed from subjects to citizens. And, the difference is immense. Subjects look up to a master. But Citizens are so far equal that none have hereditary rights superior to others." ~ David Ramsey
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 13, 14 11:45 PM
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We can all agree that war is a horrific thing, unfortunately it is necessary at some times. If we go to war, we should do so with all the might our great nation can muster and defeat our enemy completely and utterly destroy them. This has not been the case in the Middle East and the result is the Islamo-Facist offensive in Iraq.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 13, 14 7:10 AM
War is not "necessary".

War is what happens when diplomacy gives way to violence, and primitive instinct. Which type of "war" is the question. A war of words, or a war of weapons.
Jun 14, 14 11:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
Fight. Halford. War of Words. I'd rather be just a little crazy, than insane.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 14, 14 11:39 PM
See a world of suffering
Money sucking greed
Watch the human gluttony
All these mouths to feed

Contortion
Contortion in my head
Contortion
All I see is red

Rape the earth of everything
Shoot it through the brain
Man remains the carnivore
Selfish and insane

Contortion
Contortion in my head
Contortion
All I see is red

Money sucking greed
All these mouths to feed
Shoot it through the brain
...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 14, 14 11:52 PM
Did ANYBODY actually expect Iraq to turn out any differently? Do we all remember Vietnam?

The one way that Iraq differs from Vietnam is that whereas large-scale killing ended in Vietnam with the North Vietnamese victory, in Iraq the bloodshed will continue indefinitely. After the fanatical, murderous, SUNNI Muslim terrorist rebel group (the ISIS) is victorious, the SHIITE Muslims, who are the predominant Islamic sect in Iraq, will form their own fanatical, murderous, SHIITE Muslim terrorist ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 13, 14 9:46 AM
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The United States of Amnesia -- still playing in Sag Harbor at 3:10 PM tomorrow and Sunday.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 13, 14 10:35 AM
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Gallup: Majority Says Obama Not ‘Honest and Trustworthy’
June 12, 2014 - 2:55 PM
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 13, 14 4:03 PM
Too bad they were wrong we would not be in this mess right now I can guarantee it.

This guy is in way over his head and the people finally can see it!

WHAT A MESS !
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 13, 14 5:19 PM
Halliburton Iraq War Profit:

39.5 billion
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 14, 14 1:24 AM
I was against going back into Iraq. Doesn't take a genius to speculate that this was going to be the exact result. Will we ever learn from history? Should be embarrassing to most to have had the wool pulled over their eyes. Leave that area alone and let them figure it out.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 14, 14 6:46 PM
ISIS Leader: ‘See You in New York’
When Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi walked away from a U.S. detention camp in 2009, the future leader of ISIS issued some chilling final words to reservists from Long Island.
The Islamist extremist some are now calling the most dangerous man in the world had a few parting words to his captors as he was released from the biggest U.S. detention camp in Iraq in 2009.“He said, ‘I’ll see you guys in New York,’”
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 14, 14 8:39 PM
Where and when, Bozo?
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 14, 14 9:48 PM
uhh?

Iraq,

2009

Bin sippin the brandy tonight?
Jun 14, 14 10:05 PM appended by 27dan
Obama has done everything he can to help his muslim friends. If he isn't trying to help them he is the most ignorant President this country has ever seen.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 14, 14 10:05 PM
oh boy! Phil will be here any second with his famous Klown Car comment that he borrowed from Crissy Matthews
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 14, 14 10:25 PM
Just when you thought things could become no more ignorant, dan achieves a new low.

Just 'cause I'm hardly speakin', don't think I ain't readin'...
Jun 14, 14 11:25 PM appended by Mr. Z
Is "muslim friends" colloquial, or derogatory? Looks derogatory and inflammatory from here. Most musselmen are not psychopaths, murderers, or terrorists.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 14, 14 11:25 PM
Obama Admin Forbids Lawmakers From Taking Photos Of Illegal Immigrant Facility...

Border Patrol Threatened With Criminal Charges for Speaking to Reporters...

Agents changing diapers, heating baby formula for surge of children...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 13, 14 7:32 PM
These are 0bama's kids, obviously. Would you want people taking pictures of your children without your explicit consent? One risks incarceration for that.
And how would you react to federal agents commenting on the deplorable conditions you allow your children to endure? Your house, your problem.
And if 0bama wants to hire the most expensive and most inexperienced babysitters on the planet, who are we to complain? I mean, just because WE have to pay for them? oh, wait......there is ...more
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 13, 14 10:20 PM
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Happy Flag Day!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 14, 14 11:35 PM
The Middle East Muslims are going to kill each other forever because they consider each other heretical. We don't have a dog is this fight.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 15, 14 4:27 PM
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Except the liquid black gold beneath the sand . . .

As Ike said in the 1950's and 60's -- beware the Military/Industrial Complex.

The United States of Amnesia
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 15, 14 4:43 PM
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They were asked for thess emails a year ago, it's now discovered they are lost. I've seen quotes from computer experts who worked for decades at Microsoft who say that this can absolutely be found. And we already heard from one of the IRS officials a few months ago that all of this stuff is backed up.

Now, the idea -- here we have Nixon lost 18 minutes. Obama's now lost two years of emails, and one thing that people don't remember, the second article of impeachment for Richard Nixon was ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 17, 14 12:13 AM
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Oops.

"The documents and an internal IRS report being sent to congressional committees reveal that the tax agency used terms that included "progressive" and "occupy" to flag progressive organizations for extra scrutiny before the 2012 elections.

The revelations greatly complicate the political scandal that has engulfed the IRS over the past few weeks. An inspector general report in mid-May revealed the tax agency had screened conservative groups with words like "tea party" in their ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 18, 14 5:10 PM
What is with "flail away"? Talk about "beating a dead horse"
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 18, 14 10:11 PM
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Ummm Phil, the time frame in question is during the Obama Regime. I can't believe you still trot out the but but Bush schtick when backed into a corner. Your boy Barry used the IRS to go after His political opponents , criminal behavior , again.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 17, 14 6:10 AM
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This administration seems to cooperate more with it's enemies that it's allies. If the USA works with Iran on this, it will prove that this administration is the biggest bunch of no-nothings this world has EVER seen.What a total and utter failure, and Kerry "OPEN TO DISCUSSIONS" lol While the Mid East burns.all this while obama has golfing weekend while this is going down. Amature Hour!

Breaking News ------The US will take no action against ISIS if they promise to accept global warming.



Jun 17, 14 10:02 AM appended by They call me
Meanwhile on the border Illegals are puring in FAST and Furious! wonder if the released five terrorist leaders have heard of this open border debacle yet?
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 17, 14 10:02 AM
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it feels like when you were 16 and your parents went on vacation and all hell broke lose for a week,

who is running things ?

it is very scary it feels like the train is about to come off the rails and the engineer is passed out with his arm on the accelerator and the door is bolted shut!
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jun 17, 14 10:20 AM
to Erin 27 E:

Not to worry, Erin 27 E, your perception is a delusion caused by your associating exclusively with demented Right-Wingers. Talking to normal people (or, at most, hiring the services of a cult deprogrammer for a bit) will restore your health and clear your vision.

The engine of state is running powerfully and normally. It's just that the nutters have missed the train.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 17, 14 12:53 PM
Phil is a psychologist or something, maybe you could go talk to him.

I am sure he will be none partisan and professional during your session
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 18, 14 11:12 PM
Chuck Todd: Public Is Telling Obama "Your Presidency Is Over"
Jun 18, 14 10:48 PM appended by joe hampton
CHUCK TODD: A total drag. Never mind that the latest scandel at home, the VA also hit him on competence. This poll is a disaster for the president. You look at the presidency here, lowest job rating, tied for the lowest, lowest on foreign policy. His administration seen as less competent than the Bush administration post-Katrina. Then the issue is do you believe you can still lead, and a majority believe not. Essentially the public is saying your presidency is over by saying a number like that, 54% saying he no longer has the ability to lead and solve problems.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 18, 14 10:48 PM
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If the fact that it took, almost, 6 years for a majority to figure out that this guy would be a bad leader doesn't show how dumb most of the people in this country are
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 18, 14 11:06 PM
Lois Lerner’s emails likely gone forever

Wow check this out ...This is Watergate times 100,000. Iran-Contra to the power of 2 billion.

By RACHAEL BADE 6/18/14 9:59 PM EDT
Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.

“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,



Jun 18, 14 11:25 PM appended by joe hampton
since this is the most transparent administration ever.and most emails are not stored on the hard drive but stored on the server.cant we just ask the NSA to pull up a copy from the UBER UTAH storage facility
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 18, 14 11:25 PM
HARD DRIVES DESTROYED!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 19, 14 5:36 PM



Earlier this week, Ways and Means Republicans said as many as six IRS employees involved in the scandal also lost email in computer crashes, including the former chief of staff for the acting IRS commissioner. Transparent enough?

"A bad hard drive, like other broken Information Technology equipment, is sent to a recycler as part of our regular process,” an IRS spokesman said in response to a query from POLITICO. "The dog ate my homework"

Phil quips "Cappie ...more
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 19, 14 7:24 AM
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loading, obama is absolutely ignoring the Constitution and he was right there is not a smidgen of corruption instead the administration is rife with it!

Rep. Lou Barletta said Monday that President Barack Obama would lose an impeachment vote in the House of Representatives

'He’s just absolutely ignoring the Constitution, the laws and checks and balances...

and running completely out of control.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 19, 14 8:36 AM
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to joe hampton:

Quote:

"Rep. Lou Barletta said Monday that President Barack Obama would lose an impeachment vote in the House of Representatives"
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So impeach him, then! Geez, what a wuss.

The reason that Rep. Barletta WON'T draw up articles of impeachment is that he knows that most House members, including all those not in thrall to Tea Party ideology, know that President Obama's behavior is, and always has been, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 19, 14 9:44 AM
HARD DRIVES DESTROYED!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 19, 14 3:27 PM
In other news:


Weird organisms emerge from the deep, dark biosphere
18 June 2014 by Catherine Brahic, Sacramento
Magazine issue 2974. Subscribe and save
For similar stories, visit the Micro-organisms , Mysteries of the Deep Sea and Genetics Topic Guides


THE strange organisms that eke out a living deep beneath our feet are finally being revealed by genetics. Many of them are small, co-dependent and fuelled by mysterious sources of energy.

We know ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 19, 14 1:09 PM
Release Lerner’s Emails, Mr. President, For The Good Of The Republic

Best thing I've read today,

Dear Mr. President,

Your White House currently has, in its possession, emails to and from a woman named Lois Lerner. They come from the period 2009 to 2011, as your tax-collecting agency abused and marginalized the conservative movement from Washington to El Monte, California. Your own White House officials were in contact, over email, with Ms. Lerner during this time.

You ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 19, 14 6:01 PM
Obama tells Mexico: Illegal-immigrant children won’t get to stay

This is Cloward-Piven, overwhelm the system, turn it upside down and inside out. Tomorrow he'll say, "Yes, PLEASE stay!"

America, you're being eaten out from within. This Boy-king is a despot without a conscience,
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 19, 14 9:43 PM
A lot of people are asking Is It time for a special prosecutor to look into this BS and I say yes.

I for one would love to know

How Obama procured that house in Chicago, Oh wait that was 27 scandals ago.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 19, 14 11:53 PM
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HARD DRIVES DESTROYED!
Jun 20, 14 12:01 AM appended by They call me
There were audible gasps in the room today when IRS Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress that Lerner’s hard drive was trashed!
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 20, 14 12:01 AM
OPEN BORDERS BACKLASH

Sheriff : Obama's 'dumping of illegals intentional'...
House them IN DC!!
Boehner: 'Administration's own making'...
Calls for National Guard to be deployed...
Frustrated Agents Look For New Jobs...
Rick Perry Unloads...
Migrants amassing at Rio Grande's edge...
Militia groups call members to border...
130,000 minors expected to arrive in coming year...
Miami Public Schools Issue SOS...
Illegal teen arrested for assault at Border ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 20, 14 3:00 PM
Good then we all agree and favor a path to citizenship,

You apply from your country of origin and wait till you get called, you fill out form N-400, application for naturalization, you are issued a green card, then you study, learn the language, and keep your nose clean

After 5 years probation you are eligible to take a test to show you are able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).

At that ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 20, 14 8:23 PM
We'll see. A law designed and targetd at a specific group based on their origin.
Maybe they're just trying to take back the part of the country w stole from them."

By philathome , Southampton on May 13, 10 11:00 PM
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 23, 14 12:00 AM
wow, thanks for spotlighting that disgusting quote from the achieves they call me, omg

very disturbing way of thinking,
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jun 24, 14 11:00 AM
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immigration is crucial, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is a scourge.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 20, 14 5:38 PM
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Researchers in south Texas find mass grave with bodies of more than 100 migrants

By David Ferguson
Saturday, June 21, 2014 15:03 EDT

A team of volunteer researchers uncovered a mass grave in south Texas this week, where the bodies of Mexican migrants were discarded like trash as they died trying to enter the United States.

The Corpus Christie Caller-Times reported that the anthropologists working at the site found bodies in garbage bags, shopping bags, crammed into ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 21, 14 8:10 PM
FYI:

Teenager builds browser plugin to show you where politicians get their funding
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 21, 14 12:04 AM
Oops.


How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

Special flights brought in tonnes of banknotes which disappeared into the war zone

David Pallister
The Guardian

The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.
The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 21, 14 12:40 AM
Just for fun.

It's funny that Bush is related to Franklin Pierce.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 21, 14 7:40 PM
Plenty of evidence for incompetence, waste, and outright fraud in the private sector too. Funny how the same derivative driven real estate bubble occurred in the commercial sector as well, where the CRA has no purpose. Whatsoever.

Truth is harder to find than a needle in a haystack lately. You can't just claim to be driving on down the road of life, all the while sitting in still in the dark with your lights out.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 26, 14 12:23 AM
I never denied that they were here illegally.

By philathome (8157), Southampton on Jun 21, 14 6:42 PM
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 22, 14 6:43 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Van Jones: Hillary Is "Blowing" It; Watch Out For Elizabeth Warren
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Like we have been saying in here for months they do not want Hillary they want that communist Liz Warren
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 24, 14 5:36 PM
Just what we need; trade in a closet Marxist for a full blown one. The blue stars will be replaced by the hammer and sickle on our flag.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 24, 14 5:44 PM
it was just in January that ISIS took over Fallujah and started flying the al Qaeda flag and the president was asked about that and he told New York Magazine, He talked about how they were JV. This is "the analogy we use around here sometimes and I think it's accurate is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms, and doesn't make them Kobe Bryant."

he underestimated the threat in a major way!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 24, 14 5:57 PM
The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters

"Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 25, 14 10:58 PM
With the defeat yesterday of Tea Partier Chris McDaniel by mainstream Republican Thad Cochran in the Mississippi Republican senatorial primary,THERE WILL NOT BE A SINGLE TEA PARTY CANDIDATES FOR SENATE IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION!!

The realization that these folks will not have their viewpoints represented therein rankles all democratic republicans. With this in mind, let's hope that committed Tea Partiers join together and put forward their own, independent candidates in the general election.

Let's ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 25, 14 10:59 PM
Who do you think your fooling?

WASHINGTON -- "There is something a bit strange, there is something a bit unusual about a Republican primary that's decided by liberal Democrats."



By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 25, 14 11:23 PM
AND THAT'S WHY ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SHOW A PHOTO ID IN ORDER TO VOTE!!!!!!!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 26, 14 6:22 AM
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Phil, that is a good question, maybe they are dumber about it. Both sides seem to have no qualms about employing s----baggery.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 26, 14 7:39 AM
There is a long and proud tradition of 3rd party candidacy in the United States. Often in the past citizens committed to a particular political viewpoint have opted out of the traditional two-party electoral process and backed candidates who truly represented their interests.

With this in mind, is it not time for the Tea Party to stop lamenting the state of the nation and to show some spine. It could start in Mississippi where Chris McDaniel, a true-blue Tea Partier, has refused to concede ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 26, 14 10:20 AM
David Corn on MSNBC: "Black People Finally Vote Republican And Tea Partiers Get Upset"

How unabashedly dishonest

about 47% of the country truly disgusts' me

Even Phil can't spin it that hard.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jun 26, 14 1:22 PM
to Captn America:

True, a 3rd party candidacy might neutralize both the nouveau party and its parent in the short term. However, an effective challenge to the status quo party political establishment could change the ideology of the traditional party or replace that party with a party founded specifically on new ideology, as has happened previously in our country.

It would seem to me that Tea Partiers have little to lose. To judge from their opinions herein, it makes little difference ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 26, 14 6:21 PM
Does a guy like you really know what this country was meant to stand for?

This man does:

"Gordon S. Wood is Alva O. Way Professor of History Emeritus at Brown University. His books include the Pulitzer Prize-winning The Radicalism of the American Revolution, the Bancroft Prize-winning The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787, The Americanization of Benjamin Franklin, and The Purpose of the Past: Reflections on the Uses of History. He writes frequently for The New York Review ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 26, 14 11:59 PM
NOT A KING !
obama’s big gamble on recess appointments was smacked down unanimously by the Supreme Court on Thursday, an embarrassing setback for the administration just as Republicans are turning up the heat on alleged overreaches by the chief executive.
The justices all agreed that obama took executive power too far by naming three nominees to a key labor panel during a three-day Senate recess in 2012.


By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 26, 14 11:46 PM
Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which states:

"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."


Teabaggers: Your "hero" Reagan made 240 recess appointments. And his Senate was not so pathetic and despicable to use pro forma sessions where only one Senator was present to break up a "recess". Pretty low, even for today's "we ...more
Jun 27, 14 12:12 AM appended by Mr. Z
This WILL backfire, and if you've thumbed the alleged suit it reads more like a stand up routine. The hubris and idiotic showboating of the GOP will be their undoing.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 12:12 AM
They are losers. They lost the election, they have lost their sanity, and they are damaging the good (relative term) members of their party.

Under ordinary circumstances, the Senate would have been in session. The president will make his appointments based on normal procedure. The reason they are "illegal" is the unprecedented war being waged on the Oval Office. They are only "illegal" because of the pro forma sessions, which are out not normally conducted. They are meant to be used ...more
Jun 27, 14 12:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
EDIT: "Senate would not have been in session"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 12:26 PM
It's not an "assault on the Constitution". Oh, the melodrama. This GOP is like a carnival sideshow, no insult intended to actual sideshows. He made the appointments as naturally as any other president would. The only reason for the pro forma sessions was to prevent the president's appointments. He made the appointments under the proper protocol. However, the Senate called itself into session every three days, at times for LESS THAN ONE MINUTE during a holiday break, and claimed it was "conducting ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 1:34 PM
your not really a total lefty, I just pi$$ed my pants
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 27, 14 4:41 PM
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Sorry Z, I thought TCM was speaking of phil...

bho clearly has completely failed at doing what the president has to do, which is work with the other side. But the worst part of it is he doesn't give a shite about the constitution. There will be presidents after him. And if he he gets away with all this overreach... creating laws, rewriting laws, ignoring laws... it will be a defeat for the country and for the rule of law, and I think that's the worst part of this. If this were a Republican, ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 27, 14 5:07 PM
With Nixon and Watergate, which were trivial in comparison to Obama's oath of office violations, the liberal press put out a daily drum beat of anti-Nixon news. Not so with Obama. They are protecting him at every turn. They know, an informed electorate is their greatest enemy in advancing their liberal agenda. Had they been truthful, professional, unbiased, Obama would have been impeached or would have conducted himself differently, knowing he could not rely on a dishonest media
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jun 27, 14 5:08 PM
He's a constitutional lawyer, not a PhD at an insane asylum.

There is no overreach. There is no socialist plot. There is no false citizenship. There is no issue "working with the other side" on the part of the president. The current state of the GOP is deplorable, and sad. They don't represent the people of this nation, and have done everything they can to support their handlers instead of the middle class. There is a GOP candidate who claims his opponent is dead, and has been replaced ...more
Jun 28, 14 12:33 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, in a prior shot at gaining control of the Virginia senate, state Republicans allegedly offered democratic state Sen. Phillip Puckett and his daughter better jobs in exchange for Puckett's resignation. And, let's not forget Ann Coulter...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 12:33 AM
He made appointments via the law. The Republicans initiated pro forma sessions, and blocked his appointments.

There is no usurpation. There is no shredding of the Constitution. However, I do see signs of paranoid delusional disorder in the GOP.

And, it's not the greatest country on Earth. We don't even make the top 10 in the global peace index, we are 13th in acceptance of homosexuality, 23rd in gender equality, 33rd in internet download speed, 46th regarding freedom of the ...more
Jun 28, 14 8:02 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, the correct term is "rabble rouser". If you're going to insult someone, at least have the decency to be knowledgeable regarding your insult. "Rebel Rouser" is an instrumental by Duane Eddy. Has a similar riff to "The Saints Go Marchin' In".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 8:02 PM
to Captn America:

What a wonderful post. It exposes the delirious, stream-of-consciousness apparitions which engulf the minds of True Believers and utterly obstruct their awareness of the real world.

We are thankful, however, that we were spared the irony of your "authenticating" your hallucinations with citations from your favored extreme Right-Wing propaganda organs which themselves bear so much of the responsibility for your disorder.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 29, 14 9:43 AM
If the Republicans had not stood up to Barak Hussein Obama and thwarted SOME of His plans, our great nation would be in even worse shape than it is today! Does the term 'loyal opposition" ring a bell?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 27, 14 6:58 AM
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You do realize that Marx never condemned capitalism, just it's worst attributes.

My guess is you don't know the first thing about him, and just like to sling labels because you think it makes you sound relevant. Oligarchy is dictatorship by the bourgeoisie. How many times has capitalism self destructed since Tulip Mania?

There are probably a dozen variants of "socialism", and a couple are "free market". I don't agree with all of his ideas, and agree even less with the extreme ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 12:52 PM
McCarthyist, eh?

Are you part of the Lavender Scare as well?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 2:08 PM
Glass houses Phil.

Mets fan, um I mean Phil's fan, your contribution level is way lower than marlinspikes.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 27, 14 6:30 PM
Stay original Phil.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 27, 14 10:08 PM
The forum I work within is actually democratic. One of us IDs a troll, their posts are reviewed by the group, and each of us consents, or dissents to banning the OP or user.

From what I can see, and from a few fellow mods who read this thread, the consensus is not only marlin, but BF would have been given their walking papers quite some time ago. No real intelligent substance, or contribution to the issues would be the prevailing reason.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 11:28 PM
The forum I work within is actually democratic. One of us IDs a troll, their posts are reviewed by the group, and each of us consents, or dissents to banning the OP or user.

From what I can see, and from a few fellow mods who read this thread, the consensus is not only marlin, but BF would have been given their walking papers quite some time ago. No real intelligent substance, or contribution to the issues would be the prevailing reason.

Kind of like your own star chamber;) Any ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 14 8:01 AM
As stated below, you agree to certain terms and conditions when you join a forum.

If you violate those conditions it is grounds for dismissal. It's that simple. You break the agreed upon rules, you are gone. It's not different than being suspended, or expelled. People at another site I volunteer at who break the contract get the title "I can't follow the rules" highlighted under their profile in red.

27east is pretty lenient as far as I can see.
Jun 28, 14 3:15 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, more often than not a troll is reported to the mods by a user. So, it's not just us. We do get to agree with community consensus. That's pretty democratic, unless you are a whining, petulant brat who can't follow rules and prefers anarchy to freedom.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 3:15 PM
If we could send Phil, Z and Mr Met on a slow boat to China everyone would benefit including them
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jun 27, 14 4:46 PM
Memo: From Nick Hanauer
To: My Fellow Zillionaires


"Our country is rapidly becoming less a capitalist society and more a feudal society. Unless our policies change dramatically, the middle class will disappear, and we will be back to late 18th-century France. Before the revolution.

And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

If we don’t do something to fix the ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 5:15 PM
"The Billings Gazette," a Montana newspaper that endorsed President Obama over John McCain in 2008 (but went with Romney in 2012) admitted Friday that they were wrong -- Obama is in fact worse than his predecessor, George W. Bush. Apparently, the potential collapse of Iraq (and the disastrous worldwide consequences sure to follow) was the last straw.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 27, 14 5:18 PM
I agree with Hanauer. It is one of the reasons why the gov't is so anxious to take away guns.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 27, 14 6:32 PM
I think it's beautiful that I haven't commented in weeks but a simple like drives you into mad hatred. Go outside and get a life. Another booming business summer out here, great weather is passing you by.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jun 27, 14 9:18 PM
Mets fan, You're kind of a joke, you know, a sidekick.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 27, 14 10:12 PM
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I agree as well dnice.

A kindly reminder to Congress:

All the vets you are screwing, have been trained to kill. And, many have been trained to do it clandestinely, and without so much as a whisper...
Jun 27, 14 11:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, obviously there has been no intelligent, or lucid retort. Like playing chess with a pigeon...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 27, 14 11:33 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 1, 14 9:14 PM
"More attacks.
Since is here."

This from the king of restraint. Can give it but not take it. You fool nobody on this site, even posters from your own political affiliation. So I guess if I searched the internet for items to cut and paste here I would be making more of a contribution eh?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 14 7:58 AM
Once again, a childish response from someone with a limited imagination.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 14 9:35 AM
Y
"Your" forum sounds like a little slice of Liberal Paradise, Mr Z, free speech is tolerated as long as the power elite agree with it! Referring to Marx in a positive manner shows where your heart is, no wonder you're all about class envy.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 28, 14 8:00 AM
Ummm, no. When you sign up you agree to certain terms and conditions. You sign a legally binding contract.

What that means is if you violate that contract, and post inane or inflammatory blurbs which have no substance or fiber, you break your word and are removed. Much like "Preliator" grossly violated the rules or decency, as well as decent decorum and had his first profile banned. Rules are inherent to civilization. Without them, civilization cannot exist. All you get is anarchy, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 9:42 AM
Ummm, no. When you sign up you agree to certain terms and conditions. You sign a legally binding contract.

What that means is if you violate that contract, and post inane or inflammatory blurbs which have no substance or fiber, you break your word and are removed. Much like "Preliator" grossly violated the rules or decency, as well as decent decorum and had his first profile banned. Rules are inherent to civilization. Without them, civilization cannot exist. All you get is anarchy, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 9:42 AM
Freedom has rules.

Anarchy does not.

Simplicity is genius.

Just make sure your rules engender freedom, instead of throttling it.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 10:15 PM
to Captn America:

I don't know why there is so much concern about "trolls". Surely, the easiest response to their inane posts is simply to ignore them.

Most annoying, on the other hand, are those forum participants who habitually mask the inanity of their assertions with partisan, irrelevant and misapplied citations and then truculently refuse to admit their vacuous mendacity when their deviousness is exposed.

Nonetheless, censoring these miscreants is both feckless and ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 28, 14 9:00 AM
From one who understands a thing or two about being divisive, huh Phil?
Jun 28, 14 8:23 PM appended by dnice
Cue the "I'm rubber, you're glue" reply in 3...2...1
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 14 8:23 PM
I've found a RAINBOW!!!


TWO COWS ~{Matthias Varga}

SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows.
You give one to your neighbour

COMMUNISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and gives you some milk

FASCISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and sells you some milk

NAZISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and shoots you

BUREAUCRATISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 9:45 PM
Thanks for the laugh Z. Good stuff.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 29, 14 2:43 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"In the end, it’s a personal pleasure for me to give these people a taste of their own medicine ..."
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We are glad that you have found such satisfaction in your own performance. Please enable us to share in your pleasure by pointing out a some examples (or just one, single one) wherein you have done so.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 28, 14 1:57 PM
to Captn America:

Your humility is exceeded only by your rationality.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 29, 14 9:24 PM
Congress needs to stop funding this madness
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 28, 14 5:10 PM
News from the East this weekend:

It seems that the Ukraine has signed a trade pact with the EU, Russia is in recession and holding onto the Crimea which it used to rent anyway, and Putin now watches as Ukraine pulls away from the Russian sphere of influence. Looks like all Putin's bluster and strong arming got him what he deserves.

A bag full o' nothing...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 14 9:03 PM
gotta love the nets
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jun 30, 14 5:48 PM
"While internet users in the US struggle with expensive and slow connections provided by cable corporations, Chattanooga, Tennessee's fiber-optic network, "The Gig", is a taxpayer-owned public utility that boasts internet speeds 50 times faster than the rest of the country. "

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — For thousands of years, Native Americans used the river banks here to cross a gap in the Appalachian Mountains, and trains sped through during the Civil War to connect the eastern and western ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 14 12:03 AM
nice job SCOTUS! got it right!
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 1, 14 9:27 AM
- - also, it recognizes, again, an inanimate corporation as having the same rights that heretofore have been enjoyed only by living, breathing citizens. While the court restricted its holding only to family-owned corporations, the ruling still gives corporations rights to which they HAVE no right.

Emblematic of the gravity of this corrosive decision is the reaction by the plaintiffs, "Barbara Green, a founder of Hobby Lobby, called the ruling 'a victory, not just for our family business, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 1, 14 12:40 PM
nice job SCOTUS! got it right!
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 1, 14 6:12 PM
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Corporations are not people. Corporations were not granted suffrage in the Constitution. In fact:

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 14 11:50 PM
Hobby Lobby never issued stock, they have always been a private company.
By Spinny OHO (94), Speonk on Jul 1, 14 1:25 PM
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No, but they are invested in pharmaceutical companies who violate their "religious beliefs".

I guess it's OK to pad your retirement with what violates your core beliefs...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 14 11:52 PM
to Spinny OHO:

According to Wikipedia, Hobby Lobby is a wholly-owned corporation. Correct me, but I believe that that means that all the stock is held by the owners and not offered for sale. That DOESN'T make it an unincorporated, "private" company.

to Captn America:

Your response ignores the fact that this decision once again establishes an intellectual construct (a corporation) as the equivalent in right of flesh-and-blood citizens - - and the dangers inherent in ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 1, 14 3:39 PM
What companies would that be?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 1, 14 7:59 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 1, 14 7:59 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 1, 14 7:59 PM
As HHS would say Rubbish!
The Prez takes an oath to "faithfully execute the office of President of the US, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the US." Said Constitution requires the President to administer the laws enacted by the legislative branch, not just the ones he chooses to, and does not grant the right to arbitrarily change them, as in the case of ACA. The Supremes seem, unanimously, clear on this: As Dan said , nice job SCOTUS! got ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 1, 14 8:04 PM
So much to choose from
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 1, 14 9:20 PM
The SCOTUS just violated the establishment clause.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 14 11:55 PM
And what has obama violated MR. Z
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 2, 14 12:41 AM
Nice deflection. Will you next pull a rabbit out of your *$$?

Only an ignoramus would claim he violated the Constitution. Straight from the SCOTUS:

"Because the Senate was in session during its pro forma sessions, the president made the recess appointments before us during a break too short to count as recess," said Breyer, the lone justice to have worked for the Senate. "For that reason, the appointments are invalid." He was joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, ...more
Jul 2, 14 1:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
AHEM: "The Constitution empowers the president to fill any existing vacancy during any recess -- intra-session or inter-session -- of sufficient length," he said. "Justice Scalia would render illegitimate thousands of recess appointments reaching all the way back to the founding era."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 2, 14 1:24 AM
Soccer is the most ridiculios thing Ive ever watched even this year's World Cup.

And according to YouGov.com poll published hours before the U.S. plays Belgium on Tuesday, liberals are tuning in far more than anyone else.

As for soccer viewing when the World Cup is not being played, liberals are the only ones who watch the sport.

Overall, 28 percent of the nation considers the sport the “most boring to watch.” even worse than curling

Strip politics ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 1, 14 6:26 PM
Can someone give me a play by play recap of the first half? Thanks. I fell asleep.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 1, 14 6:42 PM
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To PHIL, Z, METS & HHS >>>>>>
Poll after poll shows President Obama’s approval rating continues to slide, and one new Quinnipiac University Poll finds that voters say Mitt Romney would have been a better choice in 2012.
With Obama deploying military troops to Iraq, failing to find compromise with Congress and seeing major defeats in the Supreme Court, the endless scandels and goverment overeach voters continue to abandon ship.
Quinnipiac found 45 percent of voters say the country ...more
Jul 2, 14 9:26 AM appended by They call me
Voters also rate him the worst president since World War II, topping even his predecessor, President George W. Bush, who had left office with terrible ratings. “Over the span of 69 years of American history and 12 presidencies, President Barack Obama finds himself at the bottom of the popularity barrel,”
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 2, 14 9:26 AM
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, and in the world of "what if". There is no compromise to be had with zealots.

Thirty years ago we were #1 in quantity, and quality of diplomas. We now rank 18th in global education.

Probably explains a lot...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 2, 14 9:52 AM
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Jul 2, 14 3:10 PM appended by They call me
Voters also rate him the worst president since World War II. “Over the span of 69 years of American history and 12 presidencies, President Barack Obama finds himself at the bottom of the popularity barrel,”
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 2, 14 3:10 PM
to They call me:

["sigh"] We understand. You are politically impotent and you are, therefore, unhappy. The question is why you keep trumpeting the fact. Why continue to call attention to your own uselessness?

President Obama will be your president until 2017 no matter how his popularity polls and no matter how many jeremiads extreme Right-Wing True Believers post.

But don't let us stop you. Right-Wing whinging and whining is positively musical.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 2, 14 9:50 AM
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Just the facts Sir, Just the facts --------

John Zogby: 'Its it all over for Obama'

BY PAUL BEDARD | JULY 2, 2014 | 9:44 AM
REPORT CARD JOHN ZOGBY QUINNIPIAC
President Obama is suffering from down in the dumps approval ratings.
President Obama's approval numbers are in the cellar, a new Quinnipiac University survey just dubbed him the worst president in six decades,
Jul 2, 14 3:32 PM appended by 27dan
Meowww
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 2, 14 3:32 PM
"I see the problem. Once again, rather than responding to actual Obama, Republicans are stuck responding to the fictional image of Obama that they've created."

~ John Stewart
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 2, 14 4:09 PM
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NEWSPAPER VERY SORRY FOR ENDORSING OBAMA
Prez 'has earned every bit of an abysmal approval rating'

The Billings, Montana, Gazette, the biggest newspaper in a region that includes portions of North Dakota, Wyoming and Idaho, is admitting its endorsement of Barack Obama for president in 2008 was a mistake.

“Sometimes, you have to admit you’re wrong,” the newspaper said in an unbylined editorial June 27. “And, we were wrong.”

It listed a ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 2, 14 4:27 PM
to 27dan:

Pobrecito. We are all so sorry that you can do nothing but fulminate impotently about what a bad person President Obama is. Not to worry, though, Soon his incompetent performance (in your estimation) will be obviated by an incomparably effective chief executive (Pres. Clinton.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 2, 14 5:21 PM
What is astonishing about these polls is that G W Bush was battered by the (leftists in the) media every single day, year after year. Obama has been protected, promoted, and glorified by this same media. And still, finally, Americans are starting to realize that Barack Obama is an intentionally destructive man, who never, ever, acts in America's best interests.

I will take Hillary over this anti American Constitution trashing Administration any day HHS
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 2, 14 11:27 PM
really? what has obama proposed that was good for the country?
Jul 3, 14 1:03 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
As we near the 238th anniversary of U.S. independence, many Americans are wondering if we are indeed an independent nation with sovereign borders, given that tens of thousands of unaccompanied children are streaming across the southern border. Have we become strangers in our own land? On Tuesday, two very disturbing stories concerning our border crisis surfaced in the news. These stories should put goose bumps on all Americans. Fox News’ Todd Starnes broke the news Tuesday that a private security force contracted by the government had threatened doctors working at a refugee camp to keep them from disclosing information about the rampant illness among the illegal immigrants. Starnes reported: "There were several of us who wanted to talk about the camps, but the agents made it clear we would be arrested,” a psychiatric counselor told Starnes. “We were under orders not to say anything.” The sources said workers were guarded by a security force from the Baptist Family & Children’s Services, which the Department of Health and Human Services hired to run the Lackland Camp. The sources say security forces called themselves the “Brown Shirts.” “It was a very submissive atmosphere,” the counselor said. “Once you stepped onto the grounds, you abided by their laws , the Brown Shirt laws.” She said the workers were stripped of their cellphones and other communication devices. Anyone caught with a phone was immediately fired. So now we have the HHS hiring a charity group, which somehow has access to its own security force? What is the government hiding and why don’t they want the public to know about the contagious diseases that were let through our porous borders?
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 3, 14 1:03 AM
Yes that is the point I did it correctly I did not just storm the border and break every law of the country I love. What don't you get about that?
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 3, 14 6:44 AM
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The Left has been blinded by the light shining from their boy Barak Hussein Obama , peace be upon Him, rendering it impossible to see any faults. The lapdog media has been doing His bidding and helping paint a picture of a benevolent dictator wanna be. Letting in the illegal children and shipping them across the country is just the latest misstep in a stumbling presidency. Any on the left care to comment on Undocumented Democrat's post?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 3, 14 6:55 AM
Troll on.

How many of these children are from Venezuela, or Honduras which earned the title murder capital of the world? How many are fleeing Belize City, Guatemala City, San Salvador, Panama City, or the top notch Tegucigalpa? How many are fleeing gang violence? How many are orphans of the "Drug War"?

How many qualify for asylum?

Food for thought as you ponder the words of Emma Lazarus this weekend...

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 3, 14 7:55 AM
Well, if that's your opinion I cordially invite you to move on down to move on down to San Pedro Sula for a few years.

Just make sure that you're armed to the teeth...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 3, 14 11:57 PM
So the ankle-biters find an article (on Fox [Where else?], regurgitated on Breitbart) wherein two anonymous medical workers allege that a "contagion threat" at an immigrant children's refugee center is being hushed up. (By the way, we're not talking about ebola virus or some virulent influenza. The kids have lice and scabies.)

Is an UNVERIFIED, UNACCREDITED story such as this serious enough to merit national news coverage? It certainly is to Fox and Breitbart who trumpet any alleged ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 3, 14 9:46 AM
LEGAL immigrants are welcome, those entering ILLEGALLY are criminals and should be stopped at the border. A weakened nation will be unable to take care of its' own, let alone those coming from abroad with no skills and little or no education. Due to our petty dictator , our economy is in trouble with not enough jobs for those already here. Less jobs = less tax revenue = less resources to handle an influx of dependent migrants. We need to get our on house in order first.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 4, 14 9:52 AM
to marlinspike:

Since George the Worst annihilated prosperity in 2007, the malingering Republicans in Congress haven't done a lick of work, unless one considers their constant sabotage of economic recovery programs to be "work". Notwithstanding their truculent intransigence, the Democrats, alone, have so resuscitated the economy that we are on the brink of achieving statistically full employment. (Had the extremist Right-Wingers actually cooperated, we would have been here over two years ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 4, 14 7:51 PM
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HHS, you lost me at intransigence. I can appreciate your vocabulary but is it really necessary to use a $10 word where a $.25 would suffice. Also, you kind of ignore our staggering debt in your argument.
Jul 4, 14 9:38 PM appended by dnice
Not meant to be a knock HHS. Your command of words is admirable but admittedly interferes with my ability to enjoy your post;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 4, 14 9:38 PM
to dnice:

Do you really think that you would find my posts more enjoyable if I used a more modest vocabulary? "I" think that it would make it less fun. Also, $10 words convey more in their meaning than $.25 words whose definitions are more vague or variable. Additionally, while I appreciate the fact that some may find it annoying to have to look up the definition of words with which they are unfamiliar, that's what "I" have always done.

I didn't ignore the staggering debt. ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 4, 14 11:06 PM
HHS is speaking plain English. I find it refreshing.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 4, 14 11:47 PM
HHS, I hear you and apologize. Your vocab is what makes your posts unique.

I am almost always opposed to tax increases. However, I might be in favor of an increase if they cut spending first. Show me you can reign in spending in the right areas and I would be willing to swallow an increase. I know they won't do it.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 5, 14 9:33 AM
How many of the new jobs are part time ? How many people have dropped out of the workforce and are no longer counted as unemployed? The facts get in the way of your boy's claim of solid economic growth. How can we bring in thousands of unskilled, uneducated illegals without negatively impacting both the job market and the nation as a whole?By allowing this to happen Barry Soetoro is violating His oath of office. Not that it matters to the left , BLINDED BY THE LIGHT!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 4, 14 1:37 PM
Commonwealth, or Oligarchy? Still don't know the first thing about the Constitution, history, or it's authors. What a pity...


"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men: Therefore the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 4, 14 11:58 PM
Don't worry Phil, they root against America at all times. Some failure, compare job numbers and stock market when our boy Obama(as one noted racist likes to refer to him) became president. What do you consider success then? People are pouring into here with deep,deep pockets. Everybody has a chance to make big money in this economy and this country. Life is very good for the hard-working, smart or maybe just lucky. Happy birthday America with one of our greatest presidents at the helm.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 4, 14 3:16 PM
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Mets fan - One of our greatest Presidents? Wow, talk about disillusioned. Everyone has a chance? You do realize we are living with the greatest disproportion of wealth in out history? Do you really believe what you wrote or were you just trying to impress Phil? And btw, please stop pulling the racism card, it's tired.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 4, 14 9:43 PM
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Dissent is patriotic. Google and read. Sort of like MI, it's the truth whether you like it, or not.


The Founding Fathers backed Thomas Piketty – and feared a powerful 1 percent

This 4th of July, remember the truth about founding fathers, and their prescient warnings about income inequality

Joseph Blasi
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 4, 14 10:54 PM
To PHIL, Z, METS & HHS >>>>>>
Poll after poll shows President Obama’s approval rating continues to slide, and one new Quinnipiac University Poll finds that voters say Mitt Romney would have been a better choice in 2012.
With Obama deploying military troops to Iraq, failing to find compromise with Congress and seeing major defeats in the Supreme Court, the endless scandels and goverment overeach voters continue to abandon ship.
Quinnipiac found 45 percent of voters say the country ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 5, 14 12:20 AM
HBO's John Adams series now being re-broadcast on 307.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jul 4, 14 4:02 PM
A.B. STODDARD: The problem is that the president is giving Americans the sense as he gives up on Congress, he's kind of giving up on his job. They know he's bolting from the building to go to Starbucks and Chipotle. He's getting bored in the cocoon. He's planning his post-presidency. There have been reports about how he wants to perhaps move to New York. He's having lots of dinner parties where he doesn't talk about policies or politics but the NBA playoffs. Anything but his job. And as he has all ...more
Jul 5, 14 12:48 AM appended by They call me
PEW SURVEY: 60% OF 'SOLID LIBERALS' NOT PROUD TO BE AMERICANS This Fourth of July, according to a recent Pew survey, 60% of full-spectrum "Solid Liberals" are not proud to be Americans.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 5, 14 12:48 AM
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Your in charge its you that have done nothing, Except blame others for your ineptness

Its time to go now, Bu Buy
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 5, 14 2:16 AM
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to Undocumented Democrat:

A.B. Stoddard's vacuous ruminations are what passes for "news" on Fox. They are nonsensical, silly, superficial observations without foundation (or any attempt to provide one.) Both her appearance on Fox and her quotation herein are further proof of the authenticity of the Brock University findings regarding conservative intellectual inadequacy.

As usual, Breitbart has mislead its readers by skewing data (the Pew survey) for partisan political purposes. ...more
Jul 5, 14 8:56 AM appended by highhatsize
To Undocumented Democrat: Apologies. I addressed you in error. My response should have been made to "They call me".
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 5, 14 8:56 AM
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I did not quote A.B.but the PEW study is telling and weather you or me feel Fox is fair and balanced real is of little consequence.

You say "It is the Republicans who refuse to agree to ANY tax increase"

That could not be a bigger fairytale, conservatives are for tax reform but a system like a V A T tax where necessities like food, shelter, and medicine are exempt. A system where the elimination of the IRS stops the party currently in power from using it to target political enemy's, ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 5, 14 11:06 AM
to Undocumented Democrat:

One cannot but note that you haven't mentioned that the Republican Party only supports a VAT if the 16th Amendment (the Income Tax) is repealed. That precondition renders their support moot, as they, and you, know. Just another example of duplicity from the Right-Wing.

Trotting out the "same-o' same-o'" about President Obama acting illegally doesn't make it any more true the 50,000th time it's said than it was the 1st time. If the Republicans really ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 5, 14 12:21 PM
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Hmmmm, compensate me by buying my book...



Republican Scandal Dies As Hillary Clinton Reveals University Speaking Fees Donated to Charity

By: Jason Easley more from Jason Easley
Saturday, July, 5th, 2014


Another Republican "scandal" has been blown to tiny bits as Hillary Clinton has confirmed that all of her speaking fees from universities are donated to charity.

Former Sec. Clinton told ABC News that her speaking fees from universities get ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 5, 14 8:26 PM
How many Republican "laws" have been struck down as "unconstitutional"? How many nullification laws have Republicans drafted? How many Republican abortion laws were deemed unconstitutional? How many voter ID laws were deemed unconstitutional? How about laws banning "Sharia Law"? How about Michigan's "Financial Martial Law"? Maybe you missed Republican attempts to have their states regulate their own immigration being declared unconstitutional?

There is a mental disorder called "psychological ...more
Jul 5, 14 8:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
Or how about the Republican brainchild known as DOMA? Pathetic.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 5, 14 8:55 PM
The American economy has ALWAYS performed better under Democratic administration. Sorry, the evidence is not, will not, and won't ever be in your favor unless the GOP does a 180. Highly unlikely IMHO. You lose, just accept it and move on.


Presidents and the Economy: A Forensic Investigation

Alan S. Blinder and Mark W. Watson

Woodrow Wilson School and Department of Economics
Princeton University
November 2013

"The U.S. economy has performed better ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 8, 14 12:15 AM
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Ok HH, why is Barry Soetoro allowing this batch of illegals to enter the country and get chauffeured around, all on our dime. Please explain His rationale.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 5, 14 5:33 PM
Here's your bit of befuddled ignorance explained.

Migration and Refugee Assistance Act
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
United States Refugee Act of 1980
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 5, 14 8:39 PM
The states have to act on their own, even face all the lawsuits and threats by Obama, Holder and others. The states need to understand that they can't keep acting "nicely" anymore. If the Federal government will not enforce current immigration laws, then it is up to the states.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 6, 14 12:23 AM
I never denied that they were here illegally.

By philathome , Southampton on Jun 21, 14 6:42 PM
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 6, 14 1:07 AM
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300,000 ILLEGALS TO HOMES IN USA
BORDER BREAKDOWN:
RESIDENTS REVOLT: MIGRANT BUSES FACE RESISTANCE...
PROTESTERS WON'T BACK DOWN...
TENSE STANDOFF...
'F**K AMERICA': PRO-AMNESTY CROWD BURNS FLAG?
6 ARRESTED...
President pushes amnesty at naturalization ceremony...
TX Trip: Three Fundraisers -- No Border Visit...
Interactive map: Government effort to relocate illegals...
Obama Look-Alike Killed in Ad...
RISK: ISIS ties to Mexican drug lords...
Rancher ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 6, 14 12:18 AM
Why not support a path to citizenship?Deportation is not an economic or logistic possibility.

By philathome , Southampton on May 12, 10 7:55 PM
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 6, 14 1:10 AM
President Obama's management of the undocumented children crisis makes all of us who voted for him proud. Notwithstanding the demands of callous Right-Wing ideologues that all the kids be dumped back over the border (where nature can take its course), the president is assuring that these vulnerable youngsters are treated with all the care and compassion that our nation is able to provide, despite the political toxicity of their situation.

It seems superfluous to those of us of normal emotional ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 6, 14 10:26 AM
It's interesting how so few objected when war in the Balkans sent thousands of child refugees to this country when an estimated nearly one million people were displaced by the fighting and killing. If one does look at those fleeing Central or northern South America because of gang violence, or the "Drug War" any differently it's quite hypocritical.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 14 11:01 AM
Are you willing to take a family into your home HH? Provide them with "free" healthcare, food , social services and an education from pre-K through high school? If not , you sir are a hypocrite of the firs degree.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 6, 14 11:02 AM
[facepalm]

No, this is when you prove your lack of cognizant and cogent thought.

The issue is orphaned/refugee children, not an entire family unit.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 14 11:21 AM
These are not orphans. Once the children get in, mommy and/or daddy voter will follow, and with no jobs available they will all join the welfare rolls as appreciative Democrats.
Neither are they refugees. The violence they are "fleeing" has been around for decades. All of a sudden, they need to illegally seek refuge.
They are political pawns, nothing more.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jul 6, 14 4:28 PM
The caliber of the new citizens be damned, as long as you get the numbers, eh, Phil?
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jul 6, 14 5:29 PM
The faster we outnumber republicans, the better

You make me sick, Someday you will get what you think you want and when you turn this country into the one I left you will realize what a fool you have been!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 6, 14 8:59 PM
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You know nothing about my circumstances, I had little choice but to flee my corrupt s**t h**l of a country but I did everything from day one the right way. And I was grateful for the opportunity. So I learned the language learned the history and became a proud American. I love this country and its freedoms It does not seem you have any use for them, you think government is the answer to all your problems you have no clue where that leads and pray you never will.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jul 6, 14 10:32 PM
UD I honestly have to say that will not happen. Number one, it is HIGHLY unlikely our military members who swore an oath to defend freedom would engage in a military coup, or aid in the installation of a dictatorship. Number two, if something like that did happen you would probably find at least 50 million armed American citizens descending upon the District of Columbia. Number three, "We" have lost our democracy and this Republic to vested interests. While not as severe as Central American ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 14 10:44 PM
I feel this bears repeating:

"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men: Therefore the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity and happiness require it."

~ John Adams, Article ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 14 10:47 PM
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By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 6, 14 10:57 PM
Which is exactly why we must protect the 2nd amendment and by allowed to match fire power with the threat of government tyranny, Thank you Mr Z
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 6, 14 10:57 PM
So, where will you park your surplus M1 Abrams?

Jacka$$.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 14 11:13 PM
Dan, please do not forget our most important amendment... The Tenth

or be subject to garbage like the following

Common Core teaches Constitution
as 'living document'

By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 7, 14 12:00 AM
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” I further commit myself to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
Jul 7, 14 12:22 AM appended by 27dan
Now that would not hold up so well in phils version of the second amendment where the people only have black powder muskets that could only hit a turkey 50% of the time from 50 yards out
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 7, 14 12:22 AM
All I did was agree with your premise there would be 50 million armed citizens descending upon the District of Columbia in a coup, or the installation of a dictatorship. Why does the thought of oath keepers storming the gate in a tyrannical situation upset you ?
Jul 7, 14 12:34 AM appended by 27dan
I for one dont have one but I am sure glad alot of people do, If they didnt we would be f ed
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 7, 14 12:34 AM
Do you zealots know what the word "vernacular" means? You should look it up if you don't. And, in case you didn't know, "posse" is Latin.

Federalist Paper 29: Alexander Hamilton
To the People of the State of New York:

THE power of regulating the militia, and of commanding its services in times of insurrection and invasion are natural incidents to the duties of superintending the common defense, and of watching over the internal peace of the Confederacy.

It requires ...more
Jul 7, 14 12:40 AM appended by Mr. Z
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." ~ Sinclair Lewis
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 7, 14 12:40 AM
UD: "Someday you will get what you think you want and when you turn this country into the one I left..."

Paranoid FUD.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 7, 14 9:26 AM
The Failed Presidency of Barack Obama
He promised to bring us together. Instead, he drove us apart.

By Ben Domenech
JUNE 4, 2014

The events of the past week illustrate the degree to which Barack Obama has become a failed president.

When Obama burst onto the national scene, he almost immediately became an inspirational figure. His promise spoke to our hearts as Americans and our desire for dramatic change in the wake of the fractious Bush years. His personal story ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 9, 14 8:56 PM
"We are buried beneath the weight of information, which is being confused with knowledge; quantity is being confused with abundance and wealth with happiness.

We are monkeys with money and guns."

~ Tom Waits
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 6, 14 11:15 AM
to Captn America:

Your extremism blinds you. In fact, the Obama administration has deported more undocumented aliens (around two million) than any other.* Moreover, the current crisis stems from a law passed under George the Worst that mandated that unaccompanied minors appear before a judge before being repatriated. The backlog caused by this law has enabled them to remain here for years while their cases await adjudication. It is this circumstance, created by the Republicans, that ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 7, 14 9:38 AM
to Captn America:

Another mendacious response, untrue in every word (including "and" and "the" [apologies to Mary McCarthy.])

First, the figure of two million deportations is ACCURATE, no matter how you attempt to finesse it. Whether apprehended at the border and returned within hours or apprehended anywhere else and returned within days or months, they are STILL deported. "Stronger boarder enforcement", as you say, has made this possible. Thank you, President Obama.

Secondly, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 7, 14 2:49 PM
A float with an outhouse and the words “Obama Presidential Library” on it, in the Fourth of July parade in downtown Norfolk on Friday morning. A member of the parade committee said the float, which received criticism from a city councilman and the Democratic Party, among others, was the most popular one in the parade.
POSTED: MONDAY, JULY 7, 2014 1:16 AM
Jul 7, 14 10:53 AM appended by They call me
Ww dont even have any proof, that obama is who he says he is. HOW COULD WE, HIS PAST IS SEALED.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 7, 14 10:53 AM
Right next to GW Bush's military and college records.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 8, 14 2:55 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 8, 14 2:55 PM
GOHMERT: OBAMA IS FLOODING TEXAS WITH IMMIGRANTS TO 'TURN IT BLUE'
7 Jul 2014, 1:51 PM PDT

Monday on Newsmax TV's "The Steve Malzberg Show," Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said President Barack Obama has been encouraging the current flood of illegal immigrant woman and children with his executive actions in an attempt to "turn Texas Blue" and potentially 'turn America blue."
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 8, 14 12:06 AM
Obama will collect political cash in Austin instead of visiting border...
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 8, 14 8:50 AM
Considering Rick Perry is uncouth, and no sort of gentleman it's good to see he did something constructive with his time.

Right wing religious nut jobs like Perry would do well to read a real good book:

“The values of science and the values of democracy are concordant, in many cases indistinguishable.”

“Science is a way to call the bluff of those who only pretend to knowledge. It is a bulwark against mysticism, against superstition, against religion misapplied ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 14 12:20 AM
to Captn America:

In more than a year since its publication on April 19, 2013, there has been no substantiation of Ms. Vaughan's report by other investigators or reporters. One cannot but wonder if its origin within the Center for Immigration Studies (a politically conservative organization advocating immigration reduction), and its appearance in William F. Buckley's old magazine, is indicative of its reliability, or, it could simply be that since the report attacks the methodology by ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 8, 14 10:12 AM
to Captn America:

One doesn't know whether you are actually intentionally mendacious or simply egregiously sloppy in your research. The very article that you cite ("Lies, Damned Lies, and Obama’s Deportation Statistics") in proof that deportations are down states, "The Economist is also right, because if you combine the Obama’s return and removal numbers, he is well over the controversial 2 million mark."* Did you bother to read the whole thing or just stop where you erroneously ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 8, 14 2:09 PM
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 8, 14 11:58 PM
Thanks for describing an average Obama voter Z! BLINDED BY THE LIGHT!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 9, 14 6:33 AM
Your typical GOP member, Senator Brandon Smith:

"As you [Energy & Environment Cabinet official] sit there in your chair with your data, we sit up here in ours with our data and our constituents and stuff behind us. I won’t get into the debate about climate change but I’ll simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There’s no factories on Mars ...more
Jul 9, 14 9:11 AM appended by Mr. Z
"GOP. The party of stupid." ~ Richard Viguerie
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 14 9:11 AM
And, just for reference, your average Creationist who denies evolution and science on a wholesale level is Republican.

Here is a good read:

The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science- and Reality, by Chris Mooney

Best quote ever: "That stupid teacher lady told me I was Homo Sapiens. I told her nuh-uh, I'm hetero sapiens."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 14 9:30 AM
to Captn America:

To reiterate, the Washington Post article that YOU cite affirms that the Obama administration has "put back over the border" (your semantic quibble re "deported" v. "excluded" v. "returned" is noted) over two million undocumented immigrants. On the other hand, YOUR naked assertion that George the Worst's numbers "far exceed" this total is insubstantial partisan wishfulness.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 9, 14 8:36 AM
FLASHBACK OBAMA: BORDER STRONGER THAN EVER...

The president's remarks as prepared:

Hello, El Paso! It’s great to be back here with all of you, and to be back in the Lone Star State. I love coming to Texas. Even the welcomes are bigger down here. So, to show my appreciation, I wanted to give a big policy speech… outdoors… right in the middle of a hot, sunny day.

I hope everyone is wearing sunscreen.


Now, about a week ago, I delivered the ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 9, 14 8:18 PM
to Captn America:

Thank you for your concession of error, however rationalized. Needless to say, though, your malicious characterization of a decent man who is compelled to direct that unpleasant measures be enforced in order to secure our border, but who is doing so with the maximum degree of compassion possible under the circumstances, is definitive, callous, Right-Wing extremist meanness.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 9, 14 1:01 PM
Its Meaness meaness meaness, when backed into a corner its HHS standard play
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jul 9, 14 7:55 PM
While out in Denver last night with Colorado Gov. Hinkenlooper, President Obama was approached by a man who asked him if he wanted a hit of marijuana.

"You want to hit this?" the man said while Obama was making his way through the crowd at a Denver bar.

"Asked him if he wanted a hit of pot...he gave him the thumbs up approvingly laughed! omg
Jul 9, 14 8:28 PM appended by 27dan
From Episode 36 - "The Prophet" ; Air date: January 11, 1968) "I'll tell you what I know, I know that in fact too many kids that begin with pot end up on heroin, then on to LSD. I know that if you drink you suffer a loss of judgment, If you drink to excess, but I also know that judgment returns when you sober up.. I know and so do you when you flip out on an acid trip you never know when your going to slip out again. People who haven't had a dose in weeks sail out on a bad trip just like that, They never know when, the minute they drop one acid capsule or ingest it in any way they bought the farm. They've lost any chance to depend on and even restore that most precious of all inner senses, JUDGMENT, and in my way of thinking without judgment you might as well be dead, your brian is so why not the rest of you? "Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb. So don't you try to equate liquor to marijuana, Mister, not with me. You may be able to sell that jazz to another pothead, but not to somebody who holds some sick kid's head while he vomits and wretches on a curbstone at 4:00 in the morning. And when his legs get enough starch into them so he can stand up and empty his pockets, you can bet he will turn out a stick or two of marijuana. And you can double your money he'll turn up a sugar cube or a cap or two. So don't you con me with your mind expansion slop. I deal with kids every day. I try to clean up the mess that people like you make out of 'em. I'm the expert here, you're not."
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 9, 14 8:28 PM
It is not the substance which should be put to question, but the substance of the person which should be put to question. It's easy to blame inanimate things, they don't fight back.

People are the problem, not "drugs". A lack of respect, and maturity on the part of a human being for mind or consciousness altering substances is not the fault of the substance. It is a failure on the part of the human being.

For reference, your body manufactures at least three grams of ethanol ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 9, 14 11:22 PM
to Captn America:

No matter how long a “laundry list” (or “tons”) of opinions and unverified statistics by Right-Wing advocacy groups you post, they still don't add up to a single fact, and your characterization of them as “evidence” is risible. An example is your naked assertion that George the Worst deported “far more” undocumented immigrants than President Obama without citing a single authority is support of your contention. By comparison, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 10, 14 10:12 AM
to Captn America:

No matter how long a “laundry list” (or “tons”) of opinions and unverified statistics by Right-Wing advocacy groups you post, they still don't add up to a single fact, and your characterization of them as “evidence” is risible. An example is your naked assertion that George the Worst deported “far more” undocumented immigrants than President Obama without citing a single authority is support of your contention. By comparison, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 10, 14 10:12 AM
really cap why bother, they have no shame about there collectivist mentality and what the take or how they do it.
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 10, 14 10:48 PM
This from people who stand by and endorse hierarchical collectivism.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 11, 14 9:37 AM
Great News! This just cane across the wire...

President Barack Obama’s approval rating is higher among Muslims than any other group, a new poll says.
According to a Gallup poll released Friday that tracked responses for the first six months of 2014, 72 percent of Muslims said they approve of the president, compared with just 20 percent who disapprove.




By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 11, 14 7:23 AM
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By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 11, 14 11:06 AM

........ so there was this woman breast feeding her baby and the cop tells her??
By Tommy Turbo (60), Deep River, CT on Jul 11, 14 11:30 AM
The cop tells her "put that away" and then apparently talks to her about education, smoking pot, the divorce rate, sex acts, the incarceration rate, economics, population density, Kansas, conservatism, morality, religious beliefs, minority voters, Mellonomics, oil crises, the misery index, Afghanistan, Enron, deregulation, Wall Street, right wing obsession, lies, Benghazi, the First Amendment, book burnings, unemployment, Fox News, the ACA and voter ID's - all in the first twenty days.

In ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 11, 14 12:20 PM
The stupid is strong with this one:


Minnesota Republican explains where AIDS comes from


"When questioned about his position on social issues, [Minnesota House candidate Bob Frey (R)] added that it “does certainly need to be addressed for what it is. It’s not about the gay agenda but about the science and the financial impact of that agenda. It’s more about sodomy than about pigeonholing a lifestyle.”
Frey then explained his view: “When ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 11, 14 11:01 PM
This took the cake in recent news:


'The A**hole Effect': What Wealth Does to the Brain

As people get richer, they are more likely to feel entitled, to exploit others, and to cheat.


Call it the a****** effect. That is the term coined by US psychologist Paul Piff after he did some stunning new research into the effects of wealth and inequality on people’s attitudes.

As we ponder [Australian politician] Joe Hockey’s budget and his division ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 12, 14 1:33 AM
Watching the influx of unaccompanied minors crossing our southwestern border daily, a reasonable man could conclude that we are living out the fevered dreams of a dystopian novel. The United States has lost a basic aspect of sovereignty. Control over its borders is a relic of the past.This out of control megalomaniac is trying to permanently change the demographic of this country and turn It blue at any cost.
Jul 13, 14 9:59 PM appended by joe hampton
party has been moved to Hobby Lobby Ruling Called A Setback By Tim Bishop And Victory By Lee Zeldin
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jul 12, 14 9:59 PM