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Nov 29, 2016 3:22 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

NOAA Defends Decision To Euthanize Whale In Moriches Bay

The humpback whale that was stranded on a sandbar in Harts Cove in Moriches was euthanized on Wednesday afternoon.  DANA SHAW
Nov 30, 2016 12:24 PM

Marine biologists and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration officials are defending their decision to euthanize a juvenile 15-ton humpback whale after it spent nearly three days trapped on a sandbar after chasing bait fish in Moriches Bay last week—though they continue to be scrutinized and criticized by local residents, whale enthusiasts and those who tried offering their assistance.

Craig Harms, a veterinarian with the North Carolina State Veterinary Medicine who specializes in the health of aquatic animals, was called in by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, to euthanize the female humpback the day before Thanksgiving, after it repeatedly failed to free itself from a sandbar in Harts Cove in East Moriches over three days and several high tides.

Marine biologists explained that the school of thought with stranded or beached whales is to give them ample opportunity to free themselves; they prefer not to directly interfere with the process because healthy leviathans should not require such assistance. The process is called “self rescue,” officials said, and it is typically followed when whales beach themselves.

Additionally, attempts to lift, drag or otherwise move marine mammals that weigh thousands of pounds could end up damaging their internal organs, explained Colleen Coogan, a fishery biologist who serves on the NOAA communications teams. She also noted that the weight of the female whale was most likely crushing its internal organs, slowly taking its toll on the massive mammal.

Ms. Coogan said that euthanizing the whale, which was first spotted in Moriches Bay on November 13, most likely while it was chasing bait fish in the area during an extreme high tide, was the “most humane way” to address the situation.

“The best thing for the animal is to free itself,” explained Sarah Wilkin, the national stranding and emergency response coordinator for NOAA’s Fisheries Office of Protected Resources, at a press conference held last Wednesday, November 23—shortly after the humpback whale was euthanized—at the Coast Guard station in East Moriches. “If it is healthy, it should be able to get itself off,” she continued. “If it can’t, it’s probably an indication of an underlying health issue and … it will re-strand.”

At the same conference, Deborah Fauquier, a veterinary medical officer with NOAA, said her office followed all protocols, explaining that other suggestions—such as dragging the animal back into the water by its tail, or dredging a channel to provide a possible escape route to deeper water—could have dislocated the whale’s tail or damaged its pectoral flippers.

On November 23, the day the whale died, NOAA released a statement outlining the efforts that it and the Riverhead Foundation for Marine Research and Preservation in Riverhead had taken to free the whale and emphasizing that more aggressive efforts, however well-intended, would likely have been unsuccessful, could have injured the whale and would have put people in harm’s way.

“Marine mammal biologists warn that efforts to haul whales off beaches can cause more harm to the animal as strong pressure on the tail or flippers can result in internal injuries,” a statement released by NOAA said.

On Sunday, NOAA representatives tied a line to the whale’s carcass and towed it to nearby Cupsogue Beach, where officials representing six different organizations completed a necropsy the following afternoon. Scientists collected tissue samples while also recording observations in the hope of determining what prompted the whale to become stranded in the bay, explained David Morin, NOAA’s fisheries incident commander and large whale disentanglement specialist, who is leading the necropsy team.

The results of the necropsy, which was completed on Monday afternoon and followed by the whale’s burial, are not expected for several weeks. In response to the mounting wave of criticism based on the decision to euthanize the whale, NOAA has asked six groups to assist with the examination. They are: the Riverhead Foundation, the Specially Trained Animal Response Team on Long Island, the Marine Mammal Stranding Center in New Jersey, the International Fund for Animal Welfare in Massachusetts, Marine Mammals of Maine and the Wildlife Conservation Society in the Bronx.

But critics, including the several dozen people who held a vigil for the whale on Sunday near the water in East Moriches, are continuing to criticize how the stranding was handled. In addition to stating that they do not believe the whale was sick before it became stranded on the sandbar, locals questioned why none of the responding agencies, the first of which was the Riverhead Foundation, opted to clear a channel when several people from the community brought dredging equipment, and also repeatedly turned away those who wanted to offer their assistance.

Tim Dahlen of Westhampton Beach, who first spotted the whale when he was striped bass fishing near the Westhampton Yacht Squadron in Remsenburg on November 20, said he organized a meeting that attracted at least 50 concerned people outside the King Kullen in Eastport on November 22—the day before the whale was euthanized. He said those present discussed ways they could help the whale, with many offering to bring their boats and equipment to possibly move the whale.

Mr. Dahlen said their efforts were stalled when Coast Guard officials warned them that anyone who came within 200 feet of the beached whale would be arrested.

“You don’t have to be a vet to know that the whale could have been saved …” Mr. Dahlen said on Tuesday. “It was a sad end to the story. That whale could have made it.”

Greg Sikorski of Hampton Bays attended that meeting and said he and several others tried approaching the whale on a boat, hoping to use a barge to help free it—but the Coast Guard forced them to stop. “The Coast Guard was yelling at us on the loudspeakers that they would arrest us if we got any closer,” Mr. Sikorski recalled.

Others have been more fierce with their criticism, with one even suggesting that NOAA had put a bounty on the whale’s head so scientists could study the mammal. A newly formed Facebook group called “Rescue Group” provided a steady stream of increasingly angry and vindictive posts directed at the Riverhead Foundation and NOAA as the whale languished on the sandbar last week.

After learning about the whale’s presence in Moriches Bay, and before it became beached, Riverhead Foundation officials said they immediately contacted NOAA’s northeast regional office, which is based in Massachusetts. That is protocol, officials explained, whenever a protected species—and humpback whales qualify—are at risk.

According to Ms. Coogan, those in her office were in constant contact with Riverhead Foundation officials in the days after the whale’s initial spotting. She also noted that foundation officials tried to help the whale after it became stuck by directing the wakes of their boats toward the mammal as part of an effort to help it free itself.

Once the necropsy results are finalized, Mr. Morin said NOAA will review the chain of events and discuss ways to possibly improve their response in the future—a practice that the organization follows after every similar incident.

“We are always looking to improve our operations,” Mr. Morin said during Monday’s press conference at Cupsogue Beach. “We can always get better.”

Over the past few years humpback whale sightings have increased along the coasts of New York and New Jersey, and scientists are still trying to figure out why. Mr. Morin said one theory is that the whales are chasing bait fish toward the coast. When the female humpback entered Moriches Bay on November 20, Riverhead Foundation officials suggested that it was chasing bunker fish—a bait fish that they enjoy snacking on.

Those still reeling over the whale’s death have launched a pair of change.org petitions. The first petition, created by a group called “Locals Only,” is calling upon local politicians to write and adopt a “Local Marine Mammal Contingency Plan.” The law, according to the change.org page, would give local authorities, or properly trained citizens, to the right supersede the federal government when federally protected animals wash ashore or are beached in local waters. The petition, which can be found at www.change.org/p/charles-schumer-local-marine-mammal-contingency-plan, was sent to U.S. Senator Charles Schumer, U.S. Representative Kathleen Rice and State Senator Kenneth LaValle. The petition received 2,469 signatures as of earlier this week.

The second change.org petition making the rounds was started by Mark Hoag of West Des Moines, Iowa, and was also prompted by the whale euthanized in Moriches Bay. Mr. Hoag’s petition seeks the creation of a “Marine Mammal Good Samaritan Act,” a measure that would allow private citizens to assist animals in distress, and was sent to several congressman, including U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin.

Local politicians have been vocal about the federal response. On November 23, State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle said he would call for a State Senate hearing to review policies regarding rescuing stranded animals. He also questioned the lack of action by federal officials. Meanwhile, Governor Andrew Cuomo has directed state conservation officials to work more closely with NOAA representatives when a similar situation arises, with the goal of avoiding another euthanization.

Executive Editor Joseph Shaw and staff writer Michael Wright contributed to this story.

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not too long ago we would carving that whale up and having a real thanksgiving feast
By BrianWilliams (87), on Nov 23, 16 9:23 PM
No, BW -- what you would "not long ago" have was lamp oil.

300 or so years ago you might have had "a feast" of some sort.



By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Nov 24, 16 3:32 AM
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read some history books and get back to me chump
By BrianWilliams (87), on Nov 25, 16 1:30 PM
Name calling is for chumps;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 29, 16 10:27 PM
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Tell that to the president elect.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 29, 16 10:44 PM
Another embarrassing show of "expertise" from the "scientists" permitted sole access to a suffering animal. At least they didn't get to use their high-powered rifles like they did a few years ago in either Montauk or Easthampton.

For three days they stood by doing absolutely nothing while others were forbidden to dig a channel to deeper water. Once again an animal died while scientific navels were contemplated.

Tell me again how letting it die a slow painful death was a superior ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Nov 24, 16 2:59 AM
...it happens, not a big deal.

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Nov 24, 16 8:36 AM
They didn't do absolutely nothing. The Riverhead Foundation tried to free the 15 ton animal twice but were unsuccessful. Also, you do realize that field biologists are some of the most rugged, adaptable, and innovative people, right? Just because someone has a PhD doesn't mean s/he sits behind a desk or microscope all day.

And with all due respect VOS, this is what these people do for a living. They deserve more credit and I don't understand why you're mocking their expertise. If, based ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Nov 24, 16 10:08 AM
Also - the people at the Riverhead Foundation have probably devoted much of their lives to understanding and helping animals like this - and I can guarantee they aren't in it for the money. No one, not even for a second, should think they didn't have the animal's best interest at heart.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Nov 24, 16 11:29 AM
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Sadly VOS is correct. NOAA didn't show up until the whale was stranded for 3 days. They killed it on Wednesday so they wouldn't have to deal with it on Thanksgiving and to reduce the number of people that would be in attendance. The Whale still sits in the Bay because they hadn't formulated a plan to remove it.

Despite the fact that the whale was swimming in the bay for a week prior to its stranding, NOAA failed to come up with a plan for if/when it got stuck which was highly probable ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Nov 26, 16 10:17 AM
I was there, the real problem at hand, was the fact that the whale didn't have a permit to be there... had he a permit, everything would've been fine. /End sarcasm.
By The Royal 'We' (199), Southampton on Nov 24, 16 3:14 AM
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If we had only been a sanctuary city...
By Walt (292), Southampton on Nov 26, 16 6:56 PM
NOT FUNNY Royal We!
By greeneyedlady (55), East Quogue on Nov 24, 16 11:59 AM
About 8 years ago there was a mass (30) dolphins stranded or trapped inside northwest harbor.
The foundation came out and said they were monitoring them and they looked fine initially.
They ALL died.
The foundation didn't take any assistance or help from individuals that had expertise in the waterways there or could lend a helpful hand.
Take a chance will ya!! Much worse to euthanize the animal with out taking a chance than trying to think outside the box.
NOT impressed ...more
By H2O (85), easthampton on Nov 24, 16 4:46 PM
Riverhead Foundation, NOAA=Not Impressed. Let nature take its course seems to be their motto ie. sit on their hands. Why don't you let cancer, heart attacks, and other diseases take its course? Because you can extend someones or somethings life if you intervene. You have people who were willing to actually execute and because of their "expertise" and proprietary notion that they "own" the whale you stonewalled them.
By lirider (288), Hampton Bays on Nov 25, 16 3:10 AM
The whale is a lot happier now. Trust me.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Nov 25, 16 6:22 AM
I just wish there was a proactive stance in the beginning.

From the start, it was an unusually high tide due to the super moon
It was a happy, healthy animal following a food supply

We ALL failed this animal
We were excited and thrilled to witness such a creature in our own back yard.

We should have reacted from the very start. we should have made an attempt to gently heard her back to sea. We are supposed to be aware. We knew the winds were coming. we know ...more
By ADAMSG (53), EAST QUOGUE on Nov 25, 16 8:58 AM
Oh please. Speak for yourself. Don't drive down North Sea Road. There's a dead deer on the side and I don't want you to blame all Long Islanders for that too.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Nov 27, 16 1:59 AM
Adam, I agree and admire your passion. If you are not already on board, we could use you in the pro-life camp. I feel sick about this whale, but far sicker about the million unborn children a year who are dealt no more of a peaceful outcome.
By fishcove (39), southampton on Nov 27, 16 8:23 PM
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Jeez, Adam. Take it easy, will ya'? I was out of town when it happened. Am I still in your "ALL" finger-pointing, guilt trip?
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Nov 29, 16 8:04 PM
Get a grip Adam.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 29, 16 10:23 PM
As human beings our arrogance of being all knowing experts, because we have a degree is hilarious. Here's another example of the scientific world knowing better than nature. Are we suppose to believe global warming comes from co2 only? How about solar flares or the position of the earth to the sun? Our best minds can not cure a disease why can't we let nature take its course? Funny how we accept certain things, because an alledged expert said it.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Nov 25, 16 6:50 PM
Actually, we have the Vostok and other Antarctic ice cores which allow us to sample the atmosphere for about the last 800,000 years, and potentially up to the most recent 1.5 million years. This tells us the content of gases like CO2 in the atmosphere at the time.

So yeah, there's that...
Nov 27, 16 10:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
And just for reference, there has not been a sufficient alteration in orbit due to eccentricity due or any altering of the planet's obliquity in the last two hundred years to explain a mean rise in temperature globally. There however has been a "ski slope" increase in CO2 on a graph...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 27, 16 10:00 PM
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can put men on the moon but can't free a beached whale. pathetic
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Nov 27, 16 6:13 PM
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Did we really go to the moon?
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Nov 29, 16 8:11 PM
Yeah, we did.

Support the economy and buy a really nice telescope...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 29, 16 9:53 PM
First world problems!
I learned that term here. It always amazes me the passion and zeal people Show for certain situations. I guess when you don't have any real problems to worry about, you have free time on your hands to attend a vigil and protest for a stranded euthanized whale. We live in a very fortunate part of a very fortunate part of a very fortunate part of the world. This was a natural event, an accident, yet we still find the time and resources to complain and point fingers and ...more
By deelove (152), Bridgehampton on Nov 28, 16 8:22 AM
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Just this week, the "Holiday Hole" was dug. An unnecessary, pointless hole was dug for as long as it was funded. Over $100 thousand dollars was raised and spent digging a hole for no reason. In America, we have so much time, resources, and wherewithal, that we really have no clue what to do with it.
We are more than willing to throw time and money in a hole!
By deelove (152), Bridgehampton on Nov 28, 16 8:51 AM
It is instructive to note the cold-blooded comments of some posters who cannot understand why others have reacted compassionately to the suffering of this animal.

Readers should note who they are and note, in the future, how this personality characteristic determines their opinions on other topics.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 28, 16 9:11 AM
I also feel sorry for those who don't mourn the death of stars or shed a tear when gravity forces an object from one location to another.

You'll all be judged by HHS, it seems, who understands the divine and moral laws that bind the cosmos better than all others.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Nov 29, 16 9:13 AM
HHS, seriously?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 29, 16 10:26 PM
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Sure Mr Z the polar ice cap cores are the only thing needed to understand our climate. I love when a guy like you cuts, pastes and vomits up a conclusion.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Nov 28, 16 10:45 PM
Sure. Because there is absolutely no modicum of intellect within my person. I know nothing of nutation, progression, or astrophysics for that matter unlike you of course.

In fact, all of your well informed and educated postings continue to stun us with every keystroke...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 28, 16 11:55 PM
Well actually you and Algore were almost dead on when you said the poles were melting. Who knew that he actually meant POLLS and was referring to Hillary
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Nov 29, 16 6:06 AM
TROLL ALERT!!!!!
Nov 29, 16 10:01 PM appended by Mr. Z
Hey chiefy, I've got an interrogative for you. A query as it were. AND, no "Googling" on your honor. What color is the Earth's Sun?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 29, 16 10:01 PM
to: adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp

Quote:

"I also feel sorry for those who don't mourn the death of stars or shed a tear when gravity forces an object from one location to another."
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Thank you for the illustrative quote the exemplifies the flippant callousness of the emotionally malformed of our species who see no difference between inanimate objects and living, sentient creatures who suffer just as we do.

If only you ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 29, 16 1:40 PM
maybe it's you who are confused in thinking that your are any different.
By adkvkdiesldkrive (9), southampton on Nov 29, 16 2:51 PM
C'mon out of the cave Phil so we can b slap you around. You have been reduced to liking posts instead of commenting.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 29, 16 10:29 PM
...maybe it's time for Zeldin to have the intracoastal waterway dredged from Moriches to Hampton Bays to an appropriate depth to accommodate both boat traffic and the occasional stray whale? When he gets done with the Flanders zip code, of course.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Nov 29, 16 3:15 PM
The "Whale Lives Matter" sign was absurd.
By elliot (254), sag harbor on Nov 29, 16 8:11 PM
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Honestly, sans human spectatorship this would simply be a case of an animal which made a poor decision not passing on it's genes.

Nature, or nurture?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 29, 16 10:03 PM
to Mr. Z:

Quote:

"Honestly, sans human spectatorship this would simply be a case of an animal which made a poor decision not passing on it's genes."
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The same dispassionate comment applies equally to the following news story:

"Identified: Three Oklahoma teens missing 40 years, found at the bottom of a lake" by Gail Sullivan (The Washington Post, October 27, 2014)

- - - and would exhibit, thereto, the same ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 29, 16 10:36 PM
I don't really feel it's about a lack of empathy. Up until the last few decades how did our ancestors handle a situation like this? If it was even observed for that matter. When in history have you even heard a story of a group of fifty or better people dragging or herding a mammal of this size back out to sea?

More likely it was easy prey, like a wounded gazelle...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 29, 16 10:47 PM
to Mr. Z:

Our ancestors engaged in the wholesale slaughter of these animals, employed children in coal mines because they were small enough to crawl through narrow passages, and exposed newborn babies that they didn't want to "nature".

We don't do that anymore. We are beginning to appreciate that the lives of others (human and animal) have value beyond their use to us. Your attitude reflects a barbarous perspective that is increasingly both solipsistic and superannuated.

In ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Nov 30, 16 10:20 AM
This was a debacle from start to finish and criminal negligence on the parts of NOAA and The Riverhead marine foundation. Now because the heat is on they come up with the lamest excuse and cover ups. All those who witnessed this horror know the truth and all their B.S will not change the truth.The had NO PLAN.They Tried NOTHING and they STOPPED those that had a pan and were ready to implement it while the baby whale cried and struggled for days! After tow tides and come and gone it was obvious that ...more
By MikeTheTruth (1), on Nov 29, 16 11:31 PM
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lol
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Nov 30, 16 6:49 AM
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You meat eating , animal wearing, deer killing knuckleheads need to calm down. The whale is dead. Done. Over. between this whale and Trump you lions need to stop and move on. You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know what you don't know.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 6:22 AM
Good article gentlemen! I will be interested to see the results of the testing that was done.
By beachbabe (14), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 16 1:51 PM
Gentlemen and woman!
By beachbabe (14), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 16 1:52 PM
Let nature take it's course. It's GOD's way.
By knitter (1941), Southampton on Nov 30, 16 4:10 PM
this was murder, plain and simple. We were not allowed to do ANYTHING to help the whale despite community desire. If NOAA had just waited the rain would have risen the sea level and the female whale would now be alive and free, but NO! NOAA had to murder her by drilling into her side, so blood poured out of her while she flailed and suffered. And they said digging her out, might hurt her? For godsakes! At least she stood a chance with local people taking efforts to save her. NOAA has now murdered ...more
By heatherdune (12), Hampton Bays on Dec 1, 16 1:52 AM
Aha. Now I understand. You are a bunch of bewildered libs who have been let down by your government again. When you stop expecting your federal civil servamts to protect you and the things you love you'll no longer end up disappointed. Nobody could've saved that whale. It was up to Mother Nature and had absolutely nothing to do with you loons or any of the other federal break takers
Dec 1, 16 6:40 AM appended by SlimeAlive
Hey HHS. If you could please point out exactly what I said to upset you so. I want to make sure I say it again.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Dec 1, 16 6:40 AM
to SlimeAlive:

Yet another post that exemplifies the puerile railing, ignorance, indifference and determined irrelevance that constitute your baseless, prejudiced "opinions".

"SlimeAlive" is an appropriate sobriquet, but "KnuckleDragger" would be better.
Dec 1, 16 7:05 AM appended by highhatsize
Not at all "upset", SlimeAlive, but certainly "depressed" - - - at the waste of my education tax dollars and at the failure of mental health outreach.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 1, 16 7:05 AM
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"Sobriquet"...hahahaha. "Might you have some Grey Poupon?"
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Dec 3, 16 2:52 AM
to SlimeAlive:

Quote:

"'Sobriquet'...hahahaha. "Might you have some Grey Poupon?"
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I want my education tax dollars back!
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 3, 16 9:23 AM
You might think that using big, fancy words will make you sound smart, but it can actually have the complete opposite effect.

It’s good to emphasize what you know when you’re trying to sound intelligent, but the way you talk about it matters. A study led by Daniel M. Oppenheimer at Princeton University, and published in the journal Applied Cognitive Psychology suggests that using long, academic-sounding words instead of simple, more easily-understood words makes people think ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Dec 4, 16 6:58 AM
to even flow:

The article to which you refer was an examination of college students' expressed belief that using abstruse terminology in their written work made them appear more intelligent. The conclusion was that this behavior had the opposite effect.

That article did not, however, advocate "dumbing-down" normal communication to a tiresome, pedestrian vernacular, nor does it claim that individuals who use "big, fancy words" outside of the particular circumstance that it is examining ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 4, 16 9:23 AM
it wasn't an article was a study and it applies. Your fluffy self serving attempt at explaining why you are different is intellectually dishonest. Your response was a perfect example of you affect i.e. Several paragraphs to say that you think I'm dumb. It's the calling card of the flummoxed democrat
Dec 5, 16 5:58 AM appended by even flow
even flow: "it wasn't an article was a study and it applies." "Since it appears in the Applied Cognitive Psychology journal, the study IS an article" "Readers can easily access the study online and decide for....."
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Dec 5, 16 5:58 AM
to even flow:

Quote:

"it wasn't an article was a study and it applies. Your fluffy self serving attempt at explaining why you are different is intellectually dishonest. Your response was a perfect example of you affect i.e. Several paragraphs to say that you think I'm dumb. It's the calling card of the flummoxed democrat"
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Since it appears in the Applied Cognitive Psychology journal, the study IS an article - - - and it ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 5, 16 9:11 AM
You've now referred to it as a study twice while explaining it's not a study. Parenthetically, that's funny. I can assure you that the Princeton study is accurate. Your obviously affected fluffy prose doesn't impress.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Dec 6, 16 4:31 AM
to even flow:

Quote:

"You've now referred to it as a study twice while explaining it's not a study. Parenthetically, that's funny. I can assure you that the Princeton study is accurate. Your obviously affected fluffy prose doesn't impress."
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["sigh"] Here's an analogy that my help you to understand: As an apple is a fruit and a carrot is a vegetable, so the "study" is an "article."

I have invited you to defend ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 6, 16 10:20 AM