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Jul 30, 2014 10:08 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Tribute To Slain Nun Is Flash Point For Southampton Town Officials

Aug 5, 2014 9:40 AM

Whether a simple street sign is a fitting tribute, or a painful reminder of a tragedy, has been the focal point of the latest dust-up between the Southampton Town Board and Superintendent of Highways Alex Gregor.

As of Wednesday morning, a blue street sign reading “Sister Jackie’s Way” still sat atop the regular green street sign at the intersection of Rose Hill Road and Montauk Highway in Water Mill—though it had previously been removed by Parks Department employees, at the direction of Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst and the Town Board. Mr. Gregor himself reinstalled the sign a short time later.

Ms. Throne-Holst said the board will again be directing parks employees to remove the sign, as they did last week, and she hoped Mr. Gregor could be convinced not to install it a third time.

“We have sent a memo to the highway superintendent to let him know that parks is going to take it back down again ... and that we’re asking for cooperation from him,” Ms. Throne-Holst said on Tuesday. “We got a lot of reaction to it again after it was put back up.”

The sign commemorates Sister Jacqueline Walsh, a 59-year-old Catholic nun who was killed while walking along the shoulder of Rose Hill Road in 2012 after being struck by a car, whose driver then fled the scene. Southampton Town Police have stated that the vehicle was driven by Carlos Armando Ixpec-Chitay, an illegal immigrant who had been working as a gardener for Andrew Zaro of Water Mill, but Mr. Ixpec-Chitay was never apprehended, and authorities now believe he is hiding in his native Guatemala. His brother served four months in jail after authorities determined that aided his brother’s escape and lied to investigators.

The blue honorary sign, a tribute that has become common throughout the town, was placed atop the regular street sign by Mr. Gregor about a year ago. The highway superintendent explained that he decided on the tribute himself, and paid the $45 cost to manufacture the sign out of his own pocket.

“It’s the least the town can do in memory of a sweet lady who lost her life,” Mr. Gregor said. “I don’t think I needed permission from anyone—there is nothing in the code about honorary signs. Did I know it might make some people uncomfortable? Yes. The rich are made uncomfortable very easily.”

The sign did touch off some displeasure with residents of Rose Hill Road. Town Board members said they received numerous complaints from homeowners that the sign was an unwelcome reminder of the tragedy that occurred on their street. Also, town officials noted that, traditionally, the Town Board must pass a resolution before designating honorary names for streets.

“Designating a street to honor a person is to acknowledge a notable or historic achievement, or in recognition for a significant contribution to the community,” Rose Hill Road resident John Carley wrote in a letter to Mr. Gregor in January. “While I have no doubt Sister Jackie was a wonderful person and deserves to be remembered by those who knew her, her tragic death while visiting us is not an event residents wish to recall.”

In response to the complaints of Mr. Carley and others from the neighborhood, the town supervisor’s office sent out a letter to 43 homeowners on the street, asking their opinion of the issue. According to correspondence between town officials, 21 residents responded to the letter, with 17 stating that they wanted the sign removed, two stating that they wanted it to remain, and two noting that they did not have an opinion.

Among those who did not respond to the town’s letter was Mr. Zaro, the owner of the SUV that was ultimately found to have struck and killed Sister Jackie. Police have said that they believe the vehicle was being driven at the time by Mr. Ixpec-Chitay, who fled the scene and, later, the country.

Mr. Gregor said that after the accident he had asked Mr. Zaro personally if he would be willing to sponsor the construction of a sidewalk along the roadway. He said Mr. Zaro had been willing but that his attorneys advised him not to do it.

A member of the Sisters of Mercy of the Americas order, Sister Jackie had been on a religious retreat at the Mercy Villa retreat house, which is also on Rose Hill Road, at the time of her death.

Citing the breakdown of the responses from the residents, Ms. Throne-Holst said her office decided that the sign should come down and directed Parks Department staff to remove it when Mr. Gregor made it clear that he would not do so. The sign was given to the Sisters of Mercy who, according to Ms. Throne-Holst, had expressed interest in using it to create a memorial on their Rose Hill Road property.

But within hours of its initial removal, Mr. Gregor had retrieved the sign from the retreat himself and replaced it at the highway intersection. He said afterward that the sign is the property of the Highway Department and should not be touched by employees of any other town departments.

On Tuesday, Parks Superintendent Chris Bean said he had not yet received further orders to take the sign down again, but noted that: “When the Town Board directs me to do something, I do it.”

Mr. Gregor said he was resigned to the fact that he might lose the battle for the sign to remain, if the Town Board holds its ground.

“I know the days of the sign are numbered, because the Town Board has no soul and no shame,” he said. “The effort expended on this thing is ridiculous.”

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“It’s the least the town can do in memory of a sweet lady who lost her life,” Mr. Gregor said. “I don’t think I needed permission from anyone—there is nothing in the code about honorary signs. Did I know it might make some people uncomfortable? Yes. The rich are made uncomfortable very easily.”

That's reason enough to elect the guy again!

It's BS that the Supervisor asked the Parks Dept. to remove it - it's not their property or their ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 14 10:57 AM
Right on . . .

See comment below.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:12 PM
I see no reason not to leave the sign in place, at least until the man who killed her is found and brought to trial.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jul 31, 14 3:11 PM
Unmentioned in the article is that town police withheld the name and photo of the suspect for about a week. Long enough for the suspect to flee the country. Yeah. I went there. I don't think there was any unintentional error made. You know what we're all thinking, even though the suspect's name was Carlos, not Patsy.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 30, 14 11:32 AM
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The delay in releasing the suspect's ID and photo was actually ELEVEN DAYS.

If Supervisor Throne-Holst wants this issue to go away, she must explain in detail her involvement with the PD decision to wait this long. Former Chief Wilson has served up indigestible pablum on this, and the SHT PD has not updated us (their employers) about the current status of failed investigation, which the Press called a gross miscarriage of justice in an editorial last summer.

As a reminder, this ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:10 PM
Former Chief Wilson:

“We will follow the trail on this guy until the end of time,” Southampton Town Police Chief William Wilson Jr. said. “We’re never going to stop going after him.”

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Water-Mill/431607/Suspect-In-Fatal-Water-Mill-Hit-and-Run-Remains-Elusive-Cops-Reveal-Where-Car-Was-Found
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:18 PM
Wilson on the 11-day delay:

"when we release a name and a mugshot to the public, we receive hundreds and hundreds of tips that all have to be followed up on. Our resources are finite . . . "

"Releasing the name and photo sooner would have made the suspect leave more quickly, he said . . . "

So, blame it on insufficient manpower and speculation that the PD would be led on a wild goose chase?

How'd that work out . . .?

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/432958/Manhunt-For-Hit-And-Run-Driver-Expands-Cops-Say-He-Got-Assistance-Fleeing
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:23 PM
Super of highways surely has better things to do than continue to pick fights with the town board. Great idea, however the majority of homeowners indicated they didn't want it, and the nuns said they were happy to have it for a memorial. If you want a stupid playground fight, super highway is the man.
By bettyboo (38), Westhampton on Jul 30, 14 12:19 PM
Please read comments above and dig deeper. There is a gross miscarriage of justice still at play here IMO, and the Press said so in an editorial last summer.

Kudos to Mr. Gregor for having the guts to speak truth to power . . .

The Whole Truth WILL come out eventually, rest assured.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:26 PM
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Screw the residents. As Gregor says "The rich are made uncomfortable very easily". How many of the people on the street probably know Mr. Zaro... I'm willing to bet the majority of them do.

I wonder if these people don't like streets named after firefighters/cops/EMS that were killed on 9/11 because it "makes them revisit an unpleasant memory" (to paraphrase). PUH-LEASE.

And not for nothin' but it's these little fights that are so important. If he continually lets her chip ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 14 12:43 PM
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P.S. I'm going out on a limb here.. but I bet if the Press wanted to look at all the residents on that street, they would find that more of them gave $$ to Queen Anna's campaign, than Mr. Gregor's (and by "more" I mean 100% more).
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 14 12:44 PM
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Kudos also to the Press and reporter Wright for sticking with this case, and especially for the editorial last summer.

Supervisor Throne-Holst would be well advised to recalibrate her moral compass here, in my personal opinion.

Ditto for Mr. Bean.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:48 PM
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Although I agree that is not a big deal to have a sign in memory of this wonderful nun that passed away, I would love to comment about Mr. Gregor's (the dictator) comment. "I don't need permission" WE all know that is 100% TRUE!!!!!!!! Just take a look at what he did by Cromers it is the biggest F**K UP
out here. He made it more dangerous than it ever was and LIED TO ALL of the Noyac residents as well as the owners of both stores. THe coner is sharper, more dangerous and the 2 way traffic ...more
By J. Totta (106), Sag Harbor on Jul 30, 14 1:36 PM
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Breath in.... Breath out...
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 14 2:13 PM
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Gergor's right, "the Town Board has no soul and no shame". The article doesn't mention that Mr. Zarro has listed his house for sale. Apparently the neighborhood makes him uncomfortable.
By moonpie (43), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 2:14 PM
Maybe it's because his house reminds him of the bad stuff that happened...
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 14 2:55 PM
A tribute to a slain woman who dedicated her life to others being objected to by people who dedicated their lives to themselves. Makes perfect sense., eh? The Town Board should pass on this before it blows up in their faces. What is needed is a public display of support under the sign on a busy weekend. Stop traffic, lots of placards and signs. Press loves this stuff .That's the way you get things done. 60s style. Betcha the sign stays.
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Jul 30, 14 3:49 PM
That sign commemorates the Sisters life not the tragedy of her death. Removing it will not take away the loss of a good life, nor will it eradicate the memories of a horrible event.

Should we be looking at the list of those on that road who contributed to the Supervisor's re-election campaign.

Interesting she conducted a survey about that sign, but never about a certain housing development not so very far away from there. I guess like Orwell's pigs so home owners are more equal ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 4:19 PM
It would be interesting to see a PDF of the Supervisor's letter to the 43 home-owners, of whom only 48.8% responded -- 21. Hopefully she will provide a copy, obviating the need for the Press to file a FOIL request.

The way a question is asked can influence both the willingness to respond, as well as the actual response in favor or not.

Were any envelopes returned as Undeliverable?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 4:37 PM
Moreover, why were only the wealthy "homeowners" polled about this, rather than all residents of Water Mill.

Perhaps it is time for a public poll regarding the popularity of the Supervisor?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 4:39 PM
This week's Press's lead editorial on the recent hiring of an armed security guard for the Town Board meetings concludes with an ominous summary which could just as well apply to the removal of the sign commemorating Sister Jackie Walsh's life:

"Any tension that existed at meetings before is ramped up now, as a Town Board that has been criticized for being unreceptive to public input now has an armed guard on its side. It’s a signal as clear as crystal: It’s us and them. The ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 4:56 PM
Correction: "us and them."
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 4:58 PM
Lets call it Ixpec-Chitay Way.Send out some more letters Anna and include Alex on your list.Channel 12 News should cover this waste of tax payer money.I will forward this breaking news to them.Rest In Peace SisterJackie you must be smiling on this sad group of Town OFFICIALS.
By watchdog1 (543), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 5:36 PM
Better yet "Anna's Way" ?

With a new sign down the road a bit:

"Dead End"
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 30, 14 6:14 PM
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Alex McGregor is one of very few elected officials who fulfills the obligations of his position with disregard to politics.
ATH would do well to look to Mr. McGregor for clues on how to be be a public servant rather than a political hack. (North Sea Road at Cromer's is looking good these days)
Example paraphrased from ATH: "There is no need to regulate plastic grocery bags in Southampton as it will have a negligible impact on our pollution issues." Way to lead! I guess Citarella's must ...more
By Arnold Timer (327), Sag Harbor on Jul 30, 14 6:00 PM
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How about picking up the leaves without having them bagged like the Highway Department has done for the 40 years I've been alive? Just another thing to draw attention that he and the board don't get along and he'll do anything to come out a victim. I like Alex, straight up shooter but the act is starting to get old when we don't see positive results from it.
By lirider (288), Westhampton Beach on Jul 30, 14 6:17 PM
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Let's ask the residents of Water Mill if we'd like to rename the street "Eleven Days Road," in honor of the amount of time the SHT police refused to release the name and photo of the purported suspect in the fatal hit and run, even though they knew who Mr Zaro's employee was.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 30, 14 6:24 PM
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Why is a memorial sign not ok in Water Mill but memorial billboards are ok on Flanders Road?
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Jul 30, 14 9:19 PM
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Its the difference between private property ( Flanders Road) and public property.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 31, 14 11:31 AM
The perpetrator was an illegal allien. And our President and the Democrats wants to let millions of others into the country without gaining citizenship through proper legal protocol?

Mindboggling!
By BillWillConn3 (180), Scarsdale on Jul 30, 14 10:13 PM
Sister was not a victim of a slaying,so to describe her as "slain" is incorrect. To slay is an intentional act, and Sister's death caused by a hit and run driver was likely an accident.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 30, 14 11:36 PM
Clearly, like many words, multiple meanings, but the common thread is "killed".
And Sister Jackie was, unfortunately, killed by anyone's definition. Regretfully you have chosen to concentrate on semantics rather than the unpleasantness that surrounds an attempt to honor this woman.
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Jul 31, 14 8:02 AM
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What happened to Sr. Jackie was tragic, and, believe me, I'm a huge supporter of nuns as truly valiant women and some of God's best work, but I also can hold two opposing thoughts at the same time. No good editor would allow the use of the word "slain" in this instance.
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 1, 14 1:28 PM
Even if the driver was drunk? The Southampton PD has not provided much substantive detail about the driver, let alone whether the man who fled the country was IN FACT the driver.

Supervisor Throne-Holst has been noticeably quiet also. Let's she if she keeps this petty debate going about Mr. Gregor's noble sign . . .

Many Rivers to Cross on this one, in my personal opinion.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 1, 14 2:06 PM
Maybe ATH can post an armed private security guard to make sure the sign doesn't return.
By Eamonn (17), East Hampton on Jul 31, 14 9:35 AM
how many catholics live on rose hill rd?
By jeffscan (19), sh on Jul 31, 14 11:05 AM
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By bird (829), Southampton on Jul 31, 14 12:05 PM
Alex, on many things I don't agree with you but on this matter I think you are spot on. If a time comes when you have to put the sign back up please announce it on WLNG. I'll be there to hold the ladder and hand you the screws.
By bird (829), Southampton on Jul 31, 14 12:05 PM
Good job Alex!
By Justsay'n (42), Southampton on Jul 31, 14 1:30 PM
Alex Gregor is one of the best public servants we have, but this is a democracy. If you've got 40% of the residents on the street who don't want the sign, and only 2% who do, it should come down. (I know that means 58% don't care, but if they don't care, then they don't count.)
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jul 31, 14 5:41 PM
Well then George, perhaps instead of a Town Board we could hold Town Meetings and all the residents attending would vote aye or nay on Resolutions.

Or we could poll neighbors of any major project is being considered for developed. You know, George, like, affordable housing units.

Where is the line drawn and when to poll neighbors and when not to poll neighbors. Is it by project designation? By the wealth of a given neighborhood? By who contributes to campaign finance committees?

As ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Jul 31, 14 6:55 PM
Take your blinders off TB, the sign does not belong to the 43 (wealthy) home OWNERS who received the Supervisor's letter.

There is no ward system, by which very local people on one street get to decide what happens in their ward.

Funny you wave the "democracy" flag when your suggestion that 21 wealthy landowners get to play the trump here, to the obvious displeasure of many.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 31, 14 7:39 PM
NTiger, your post above suggests that you have seen the "rather biased letter" IMO. If so, could you quote the letter here? Thanks.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 1, 14 2:22 PM
There seems to be a concern that the Rose Hill Road residents are "wealthy." First, I suspect that's not true of all of them. Second, far more important, their supposed wealth doesn't in any way diminish their right to express their views in a democracy. This is still America, right?

If there's no Town Code provision for a memorialization such as this, then in the absence of same, isn't polling the residents of the street to be renamed the best way to go about it? Surely that's better ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 2, 14 4:35 PM
"There seems to be a concern that the Rose Hill Road residents are "wealthy." First, I suspect that's not true of all of them. "

Are you serious?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 2, 14 5:39 PM
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The article says: "the town supervisor’s office sent out a letter to 43 homeOWNERS on the street . . . " not residents, and there is a huge difference. [emphasis added]

Who said they don't have a right to express their views? Of course they do -- VIEWS, not an iron-clad mandate upon which the Supv. appears to be acting.

This whole think stinks of a non-egalitarian and elitist turf war between ATH and AG.

If push comes to shove, hopefully the Town Board will consider ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 2, 14 5:40 PM
Or "Anna's Way" per the comment above, "Anna's Folly," or "Eleven Days Road" per btdt above?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 2, 14 5:51 PM
What is the legal requirement for officially changing the name of a street? If there is a prescribed procedure, let's follow the rules and change the name. That way, there needn't be a superimposed second sign, rather, the former name, "Rose Hill Rd.", would simply be eradicated.

Since this transition would affect the entire Southampton community, it is only fair that the entire constituency of Anna Thorne-Holst be polled for its preference rather than just local residents.

What ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 31, 14 6:19 PM
It's my understanding that only the residents can request a name change and a majority of residents are required (not sure on what percentage is needed) to make the change official.

While I get what you are saying - and there is certainly a bit of fantasy behind it - it would never happen, nor should it.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 2, 14 10:30 AM
""""The perpetrator was an illegal allien""""

The ALLEGED perpetrator. Some people think he might have been paid off to take the blame from someone else, while being allowed enough time to escape the country as part of his reward for the blame-taking. It would have made a great Law and Order (mother ship) "ripped from the headlines" story.
By btdt (449), water mill on Aug 1, 14 2:43 PM
Andrew Zarro would like to respond to this... but his lawyers advised him not to!
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 2, 14 10:30 AM
Mr. Zaro's response was more limited IMO, per the article:


"Mr. Gregor said that after the accident he had asked Mr. Zaro personally if he would be willing to sponsor the construction of a sidewalk along the roadway. He said Mr. Zaro had been willing but that his attorneys advised him not to do it."
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 2, 14 10:51 AM
"Sister Jackie's Way" is still the top sign . . .

A week from today will mark the TWENTY-FIFTH WEEK since the tragic event.


Rest in Peace
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 2, 14 10:43 AM
Perhaps the Supervisor, in addition to detailing her involvement (if any) in the 11-day delay in releasing the suspect's ID and photo, could also explain the quote above -- “We got a lot of reaction to it again after it was put back up,” -- you know, like provide copies of all communications sent to her office (emails, letters etc.), or the names of any telephone callers who reacted to Sister Jackie's sign going back up.

Hopefully Mr. Wright and the Press will be able to FOIL ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 2, 14 10:48 AM
Correction -- 25th month!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 2, 14 10:52 AM
If I'm counting correctly, PBR, you've done 21 posts under this article already, so you won't mind a little more dialogue. Re Rose Hill Rd., you say there's a "huge difference" between residents and homeowners. Sure, there's a difference; whether it's "huge" or not, I don't know.

If all the homeowners on Rose Hill Rd. are as wealthy as you suggest, they probably don't need to rent out their places, so you wouldn't be talking about a difference between owners and tenant-residents. Then, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 3, 14 4:33 PM
George, George, why are you still shilling for Anna? Can you really not see through this two-bit provincial arriviste - and, I do believe, borderline sociopath - who has, by the way, stabbed poor Bridget in the back so many times it's amazing she's still standing. And how fabulous do you feel about Christine Preston-Scalera being Anna's new BFF? You do realize she's grooming her to be the next supervisor, don't you? Little back room deal with the Republicans, perhaps? Oh, sorry Bridget. Sucks ...more
By rabblerouser (46), Hampton Bays on Aug 3, 14 8:41 PM
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Rabblerouser, I might agree with everything you're saying, maybe even feel it more strongly than you do -- or I might not -- but it really has no connection to this matter. Understand, please, that the 99% can actually be right sometimes, despite being the 99%. Same for our supervisor. Your post reminds me of people who say you're anti-Semitic if you voice any criticism of Israeli policy; they don't make the distinction between the nation-state and the people.

As good as Alex is, it's ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 3, 14 9:14 PM
Messed that up -- meant the 1%, not the 99%. Otherwise clear.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 4, 14 7:40 AM
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By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 4, 14 9:20 AM
George is one of the ringleaders of the Southampton Democratic Executive Committee that has repeatedly insisted on decimating the chances of good well qualified Southampton Democrats by stuffing the Democratic Line repeatedly with majority non-Democrats who constantly oppose our lone Democratic official in the Town Board, election after election.

And all of these are done without nominating input votes in confidence from Committee members who do most of the work from getting signatures, ...more
By Obbservant (449), southampton on Aug 8, 14 10:14 PM
George is one of the ringleaders of the Southampton Democratic Executive Committee that has repeatedly insisted on decimating the chances of good well qualified Southampton Democrats by stuffing the Democratic Line repeatedly with majority non-Democrats who constantly oppose our lone Democratic official in the Town Board, election after election.

And all of these are done without nominating input votes in confidence from Committee members who do most of the work from getting signatures, ...more
By Obbservant (449), southampton on Aug 8, 14 10:14 PM
George,

Rename that corner of Rose Hill and Montauk Highway as Sister Jackies Plaza. Front both Rose Hill and Montauk Highway.

Its the right thing to do for the right reasons.

We all know that Diogenes would not have ventured into Town Hall in the quest of truth.

Wealth or no wealth. Removing that sign because it may remind someone of a tragedy is the wrong reason. We remember tragedy we do not run from them.
We remember the Maine, we remember the Alamo, ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Aug 4, 14 4:34 PM
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NTiger, with that badly misplaced reference to the ADL, you sound like the very people I was talking about, unable to hear any criticism without calling names. A bit much, my friend.

Actually, your whole post is a bit much, quite out of character for you. You've always come on as the knowledgeable professional, calmly laying out facts and displaying specialized expertise. Here, by contrast, we have the Maine, the Alamo, Diogenes, and a whole boatload of emotion. Maybe whatever Rabblerouser ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 5, 14 9:08 PM
43 homeowners, 17 say take it down.

17 is what percent of 43. Any way you cut it 22 homeowners constitute a simple majority.

26 for keeping or no opinion, 17 against sign.

Sign stays by majority vote.

If using your people who live or own homes get to decide mathematics say the noes lose.

My reference no more badly placed then yours George. In fact yours was the model for mine.

Emotional issue George. Take the sign down I am tired of having ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Aug 6, 14 3:45 PM
New article out BTW.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 6, 14 3:50 PM
Well said Rabble! On all fronts!
By Justsay'n (42), Southampton on Aug 4, 14 7:19 PM
Big article about this on p 7 of today's NY Post.
By rabblerouser (46), Hampton Bays on Aug 5, 14 7:59 AM
"A Manhattan corporate attorney is leading a group of wealthy Hamptonites who want to tear down a Water Mill road sign honoring a nun killed in a 2012 hit-and-run — because, he whines, he’s tired of repeating her depressing tale to guests.

“Every time someone visits, I am forced to recount this tragedy because they ask who Sister Jackie was,” John Carley, a former counsel to rental-car giant Avis, said in a January letter to Southampton Town officials.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 9:02 AM
So Mr. Carley, when do you propose we remove all the signs and place names memorializing 9/11?

Or do we join hands and embrace tragedies from which we have learned and grown?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 9:06 AM
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple."

~ Barry Switzer
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 6, 14 2:09 AM
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Just read the reactions on News12.

Let's just say the "elite" who were against this sign being there are considered "heartless", "shameful", "snobbish", "without honor and humanity", "petty", and "butthurt".

The People are speaking, and the "neighbors" are not faring well in the eyes of the public. Sister Jackie was by all accounts a wonderful woman who touched hundreds, if not thousands of lives.

The "residents" should be ashamed of themselves, but to live the way they ...more
Aug 5, 14 8:20 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, my favorite: "pretentious prigs"
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 5, 14 8:20 AM
Thanks.

To clarify Mr. Gregor did not unilaterally rename Rose Hill Road. He added a blue honorary addendum to the street name. The legal street name is still there in green.

Much to do about nothing IMO, but if the Supv. and Town Board want to go through the legal process of making it official, be our guest to make yourselves look like fools.

Still waiting to see a PDF of the letter sent to 44 home owners.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 8:58 AM
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Set up a petition at Move On. The link is over at the News12 article, as it will be deleted here.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 5, 14 5:01 PM
Why don't we all have new street signs made up and attach them to every existing street sign thru out the town. Wait, is Mr Gregor the only one that can do that or is every resident allowed to?
By auntof9 (159), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 12:22 PM
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"Superintendent of Highways"
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 1:11 PM
see page 5 or 7 today and understand the weathly's point of view.NIMBY since "I" meaning the wealthy and spent a fortune building a house etc. and this is not my problem. pathetic people with money are just pathetic people with money. hope it makes them happy. a woman died and they don't like to discuss the sign at their cocktail parties?? something very wrong with the "class" vs normal"who would never go against a sign like that. Pity these new and old money people who do not want to know about ...more
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Aug 5, 14 6:32 PM
It seems to me that since the initial request to remove the sign was because it required the gentlemen to explain who Sister Jackie was to visitors that this is no longer a problem.

What with major media here on long island and in manhattan and the outer borough's there must be very few who will question who Sister Jackie was.

My guess is the complainants will no be asked 'Why did they take down that sign honoring the slain Nun?

Perhaps the Supervisor might want to repoll ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 7:56 PM
Well said.

Interesting how many high-powered people have NOT used their resources to get to the bottom of this! See comments above for details of what they COULD have spent the last two years doing.

The Truth shall be revealed . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 5, 14 8:12 PM
New article in the Post about wealthy people "sponsoring a highway" out east... oh the freaking irony.

"Since the fall of 2013, Guberman has shelled out $650 a month to maintain the milelong stretch between exits 66 and 67 on the eastbound side of the Long Island Expressway, plus an initial $2,500 for the cost of the sign."

Sooooo, paying to get your name on a sign is a status symbol... but these same people are "upset" by a sign commemorating a nun who was killed?

WHAT?!?! ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 5, 14 8:40 PM
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We need another highway. Going from Hampton Bays to Montauk and spending 3 hrs is a waste of time and energy. Making it inconvenient for people has not stopped anyone from coming here. People come here to show off their big cars, and flash their money. Most will not take a bus or a scoot train (lol). It will just gt worse
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 5, 14 9:01 PM
I know its attached to a Town owned sign pole but is it any different than the numerous memorials at accident scenes that have been erected within the Town owned road rights of way. They have been allowed to stay and in most cases are much larger than this sign. There is even a memorial installed at the park in East Quogue which is owned by the Town and I believe was actually installed by the parks dept after some controversy So in order to solve the problem and conform to practice throughout ...more
By clammer (23), hampton bays on Aug 5, 14 9:15 PM
Good points, but not sure if the Town Board and Supervisor have the moral fortitude to avoid another telling move about their priorities.

Oh, and what about indicating that THEY are interested in having the SHT PD explain the 11-day delay, the whereabouts of the (current) suspect, releasing all investigative material about the alleged driver, etc. etc.?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 6, 14 9:18 AM
The sign should remain and the Town Supervisor should stay out of this. The man who hired and PERHAPS aided and abetted the killer's getaway, as has been suggested in conversations around town, would then be reminded everyday of these crimes. If either of them had a shred of decency, they would face the music like men, rather than running like children. As it was, the only music played was a funeral dirge. Instead of a sign, perhaps that music should be played from the convent on each year's ...more
By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Aug 8, 14 2:24 PM
The sign should remain for the poor nun that got killed by a illegal drunk. They tried to get rid of another sign honoring a hero of 9/11 but the people won. If Anna wants to get rid of things get rid of the crosses and memorials on the roads. They are an eye sore. In this country we have cemeteries where our dead are buried. That is where you bring the flowers..
By LongIslander (43), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 14 12:45 PM
great site and well written post..... thanks from man and van london
By JoaoFaria (2), London, United Kingdom on Aug 14, 14 5:35 PM