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Apr 5, 2011 2:35 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst Delivers State Of The Town Address

Apr 5, 2011 2:35 PM

Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst painted a rosy picture of the state of the town in her quarterly address on Friday afternoon, in which she addressed a bevy of hot button topics facing the municipality, including land use, energy sustainability, new policy and program initiatives, and, most importantly, the marked improvement of the town’s financial soundness and fiscal management.

“I am very pleased to be able to tell you the state of our town has measurably improved over this time last year,” she said. “We are a leaner town government, a more fiscally sound one, and a more financially responsible organization than we were a year ago, all while we continue to seek innovative and effective ways to maintain a level of service that meets the needs of our community.”

The event drew a standing-room-only crowd that included department heads, community activists and various media. The meeting room was so full that some people lined the aisles and stood throughout the speech, almost spilling outside two doors in the rear of the room.

Ms. Throne-Holst detailed the town’s “long and elaborate odyssey” of identifying, diagnosing and repairing its fiscal health and financial management after uncovering years of financial and accounting dysfunction two years ago. She hinged the beginning of her speech on the strides that Southampton Town has taken over the last two years to correct the financial blunders, which have resulted in financial reforms, including new and improved financial management policies and procedures, internal controls and systems, and sounder budgeting and budget oversight practices, among undergoing numerous accounting restatements.

At the same time, she warned that the town still had deficits left to be addressed within various funds—for example, a $4.9 million deficit in waste management and a $1 million deficit in the beaches enterprise fund. She noted that the town is working on it, having already reduced overall deficits by about 20 percent, from $8.1 million to slightly more than $6.5 million.

She also said she is reevaluating the town’s annual property reassessment process, which was funded, in part, by annual $200,000 grants from New York State, which she said has been nixed from the recently approved state budget. She is meeting with state officials at the office of Real Property Tax Services in Albany on Monday to discuss alternatives to this practice, as well as discuss ways to cure the inequities in school tax burdens for residents in the western portion of town who live in the Riverhead and Eastport South Manor school districts.

The town is moving forward on the energy sustainability front, Ms. Throne-Holst noted, mentioning that the Town Board recently voted in a new energy and sustainability coordinator, Lizabeth Plouff, who has been pushing initiatives like Green Jobs, Green New York Better Homes program. Under that program, the town enlists energy contractors who provide audits for homeowners who are interested in reducing their energy costs, said Ms. Throne-Holst. The homeowners pay a minimal fee for the audit and the contractor provides a list of recommended energy retrofits, along with the actual energy savings in dollars that would be realized if the retrofits were carried out. Homeowners would be eligible for loans to pay for the improvements.

She also touted a new partnership with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Long Island Power Authority to execute a pilot program in the towns of Southampton and Babylon that would offer benefits to homeowners considering renovations or additions that meet certain specified energy benchmarks. Those perks include expedited application review and approval, $5,000 in rebates, and possibly reduction in application fees. That program is expected to roll out in the next several weeks, she said.

The supervisor spoke positively about the town’s labor relations, noting that the Patrolman’s Benevolent Association, the police union, has agreed to pro-actively resolve all of its current labor grievances with the town. In the end, that equates to savings in attorney fees that the town would have had to spend to resolve the grievances, she explained. Also on the labor front, she said that Sandra Cirincione, head of the town’s Human Resources, is working on revising the workplace violence prevention program, which will ultimately result in a policy that will take extra measures to prevent and minimize workplace violence.

She quoted an African proverb when discussing the importance of land use in Southampton Town: “Where the water rules, the land must obey.” “Nowhere is this proverb truer than in our community,” she said. “The use of our land and protection of our waterways is of utmost importance to the quality of our lives and economic well-being.”

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Way to go Mr. Nuzzi -- put an immediate slam-down negative tone on today by saying (according to the article):

“I saw it as a validation of the Republican-Conservative budget that was passed in 2011,” he said. “You can read it in her words … The immediate question that comes to mind is why she would abstain on the budget that has put us on such sound financial position.”

Really, was this comment necessary to make today? IMO there were plenty of reasons ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 1, 11 5:56 PM
Mr Nuzzi,
As one of the two remaining councilmembers who voted to establish the "fourth Justice" in Southampton Town how can you critique the Supervisor on her position regarding the budget.
Common knowledge.....we did not and do not need four judges....but we sure could have used the more than quarter of a million dollars spent on it thus far.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 1, 11 7:37 PM
The supervisor's comments in her presentation, as I read them, were based on the actions taken and the decisions made in 2010 as well as respones to the corrective actions to recommendations in the audit of budgeting and accounting in 2009 (which Mr. Nuzzi voted against). It is these actions that have put the Town in such a sound financial position. The impact of the 2011 budget, good or bad, cannot be known for several more months. Mr. Nuzzi's comments demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding ...more
By Viewpoint (26), Southampton on Apr 2, 11 3:17 AM
finally someone who knows!! the 2010 budget that ATH is patting herself on the back for is Linda Kabots budget. I don't understand how the majority can pat themselves on the back for the 2011 budget when all they did was appropriate fund balances to cover the budget and in the case of the land management fund there is none to appropriate!
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Apr 2, 11 2:48 PM
Hello. What "current labor grievances" does the PBA HAVE with the Town? And if these phenomena have progressed to the stage of "grievances", HOW will being "proactive" "resolve" them more efficiently and without the use of lawyers? Maybe at her NEXT state of the Town meeting in July, ATH can tell us what she is talking about.

Assuming that "labor grievance", is politico-speak for, "We want more money" (the perpetual STPD "grievance"), a translation of her speech would be, "The STPD ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 2, 11 12:59 PM
I reported this comment as innappropriate for a number of reasons, but the glaring one being the continued lies you post. You sir, are the worst of all the trolls on any blog. Find one member of the STPD PBA with that base salary, then come back and apoligize for the ignorance, the half truths, the stupidity. Your volunteer FD taxes are higher than the PD service. You use alot of big words for such small man. All salaries are posted in the budget. So continue with the nonsense, some village must ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 3, 11 2:31 PM
He meant officers, not the PBA board.

Where exactly, are you missing from?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 3, 11 9:28 PM
All officers are members of the PBA, this has nothing to do with the board, and now I know there are TWO villages in need to fill vacancies in the idiot department. BUT I have to say this Mr. z, you have found the time to post 1,670 times on this site.....you A. NEED to get a hobby and get out of the house, B. are a bigger troll than HHS, and C. Have alot to say, but like your sidekick here, full of ignorance, half truths, and downright stupidity. You two should hold hands and skip on back down ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 4, 11 8:51 AM
I've been a member, for more than two years.

It adds up, you nitwit.
Apr 5, 11 4:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, if you really want to go for ignorance, I am a Moderator for a website. ONE of my jobs is working FROM a computer, so I have time to flip-flop like data in a CPU pipeline, from site, to site, to site. I have alot of hobbies, one is being very aware of my surroundings. The half-truths you purport to see, are most likely only half the truth, you think you know. Causa timendi est nescire, et ne quid nimis.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 5, 11 4:40 PM
Let's also throw in, that after 5 years of service, a Town officer makes a base salary of $98k. That's at last count, with the info I am privy to from '07. HHS has always kept on top of these things, and his numbers are usually pretty spot on. Also, if I remember right, a member of the board does not remain on active duty.

BTW, that specified amount does not include overtime, benefits, and pension. NYC officers can't even touch that. At all.
Apr 5, 11 5:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
Just checked the numbers. Captain's base pay, is 136k, for 2010.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 5, 11 5:05 PM
your so off base on your facts I cant even reply.....very sad. Congrats on the moderator job, you must due outstanding work seeing as your all about truth. Sorry little troll.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 6:28 PM
So, in 2010, the base pay for an STPD captain was not $136,000+?

If you know so many "facts", please post them for us, and back up some claims with empirical evidence.

The captain's salary came straight from the .pdf, of the yearly budget.
Apr 6, 11 4:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
After all, "one member", is what you asked for, isn't it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 6, 11 4:29 PM
I told myself I would not respond on this thread because of the sheer ignorsnce of those, like yourself and HHS, (who by the way admits his ignorance further down the thread) here goes. A. You know nothing. You lie out of ignorance. B. You post without factual basis. C. You must be a horrible moderator. The Captain of the Police Department is NOT a member of the PBA, as there was a article about the seperation of unions in this paper that you have found the time to comment 1,689 times but dont read. ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 7, 11 6:33 AM
All officers are members of the PBA
Apr 8, 11 9:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
NOTHING changes the fact that they are compensated excessively, compared to the people who support their salaries. I hope all our "ignorance", is stuck in your craw, like a cavitated tooth. You are sheerly too simple, fortunate, or priveleged to know what it's like to live on $200 a week. J*****f...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 11 9:37 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 7:54 AM
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 7:57 AM
My apologies.....you have become a full fledge jackass with your posting below....congrats!!!
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 8:58 AM
A telling photograph. Gone is the girlish demeanor, the doe-like gaze that never fooled those of us who didn't drink the koolaid. Instead, hubris, arrogance, self-regard and cold blooded calculation. I am reminded of the radio ad, aired on WLNG the day before the election, when the Supervisor swore, in the dulcet tones she employed to such effect against the admittedly shriller Linda Kabot, that she never received a phone call in the middle of the night from the police. She could have won clean, ...more
By rabblerouser (46), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 11 4:10 PM
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Strikes me as the photo of someone who has accomplished the near-miracle of turning an $8 million deficit into a $4 million surplus in just one year over the relentless opposition of her adversaries, and is now a little amused that those same adversaries are trying, jackal-like, to bite off a little of the credit. Politics will make you cynical.
By fidelis (199), westhampton beach on Apr 2, 11 9:26 PM
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The photo strikes me as one of a phoney. It was the previous supervisor who cut $5 million from the budget. ATH was in the right place at the right time, just when the state was offering an encentive for county and town employees. All of the Town Board voted for this incentive not just Ms. ATH. Also the animal shelter was privitized under the past supervisor saving the town over $1 million.
ATH is taking all the credit for something she did not do.
Apr 5, 11 10:37 PM appended by reg rep
The supervisor position is starting to take its toll on ATH she getting that haggy saggy look.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 10:37 PM
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 10:45 PM
Chris Nuzzi . . . . . . . . ha ha ha!!
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 2, 11 9:37 PM
Oh, by the way, Rohma: "the speech by Ms. Throne-Holst, a Democrat . . ." No, Anna Throne-Holst is a member of the Independence Party who was endorsed by the Democrats when she ran for supervisor in 2009.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 2, 11 9:43 PM
Turkey Bridge
You should really sign your real name to these blogs. Your cover was blown after your letter appeared in the SH Press. In one of your other posts your used the same words as in your letter George.

Apr 4, 11 10:37 PM appended by reg rep
Turkey Bridge aka George Lynch The other article was Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst to Give State of Town Address 3/31/11
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 4, 11 10:37 PM
Breaking news, eh? Poor reg rep, so far behind the curve. Most of the world knows this already, and so what?
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 5, 11 7:10 AM
Seriously reg rep - who cares? Obviously everyone has some sort of "agenda" on here. If you're sooooo interested in transparency, why don't you drop your handle and use your real name? Hypocrit
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 11 2:00 PM
Thats the point Nature No body cares what you and George Lynch post on this blog. Especially George, (AKA Turkey Bridge)
he the one that asked another blogger to please keep his identity private.

By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 10:18 PM
How is it that Mr. Nuzzi cannot take some degree of pleasure in the good fortune that has befallen the Town of Southampton? He's crying now that he and his sidekicks should take the credit for the fiscal rejuvenation of the town. They've done almost nothing except get in the way. Look, behind the Supervisor's back they forced a secret budget that doesn't reduce the town's debt by one penny and then had the ****'s to hire that escapee from OTB that will cost Southampton a cool $150 grand a year. ...more
By EastEndHomie (27), Southampton on Apr 3, 11 5:55 PM
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to Bayman3142:

The average base salary of an STPD officer, including benefits but excluding overtime, was $$130K as posted on the Town website two years ago. Some took in over $$200K.

The budget (to which "I" have no access") lists only the prospective base salaries WITHOUT overtime.

Since you say that the budget figures are public, how about scanning p.d. salaries and posting them here. That should put paid to this discussion and establish who is lying.

If ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 3, 11 7:33 PM
A "base" salary is what one gets paid, not including benefits. You want to make up voodoo numbers, by all means go right ahead. I prefer to be an informed citizen, and scoured the pages and pages of the budget, looking at all the figures and stumble upon the list for all members of the PD. The budget is on the towns website. There are some areas I was alittle perplexed by, but all in all, we are paying less than most PD's for better service. I find it ironic how you have focused on the STPD, have ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 4, 11 8:19 AM
Hey bayman, HHH is sooo cheep he doesn't even pay for the newspaper so he's limited on how many times he can blog. He wants everything for free. He needs to find a new tree to bark up this one is getting old. Sick and tired of HHH whining.
By lifesaver (118), speonk on Apr 12, 11 6:03 PM
eastendhomie, you are lost in that liter of beer. Skip heaney teamed up with Jim Zizzi to try to remove Nancy Grabowski who was the third vote on all of those issues, I doubt she was taking orders from Heaney, I am sure she does not even return his phone calls. I also believe you will find that Chris and Jim are also not fans of Heaney. Heaney at this point should be poison to any local politician, unfortunatally the republican committee person's are lost in la la land but if they nominate and ...more
By silverbeaver666 (8), westhampton on Apr 3, 11 9:22 PM
Which is why it is so perplexing that ATH has cozied up to him. Skip Heany in a skirt? Now there's a terrifying prospect!
By rabblerouser (46), Hampton Bays on Apr 4, 11 10:14 AM
I believe it was Heaney that cozied up to ATH, she didn't seem to mind, you know the type she is.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 10:51 PM
To Bayman4142:


Here's the link to the STPD salary chart on the Town government site which you COULD HAVE posted but didn't since it shows in black and white that you are either lying or ignorant.

I haven't added up all the individual salaries but at a glance it seems that I UNDERESTIMATED when I said that the average compensation was $$130K. It's actually north of $$150K. (Did ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 4, 11 11:42 AM
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How much do you pay in taxes to the Police Dept?

How much do you pay in taxes to the Fire Dept?

How much do you pay in taxes to the School District?

Let me guess. . . STPD is the lowest of your expenses. How is it that a VOLUNTEER service costs you more than these "stupendously-overcompensated" cops do? Maybe you should be barking up a different tree
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 11 1:55 PM
"The budget (to which "I have no access)" lie.....you posted the website address, now go back to other budgets on the website and find proposed to actual spending.
Quible about base and compensation? Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors....but you are familiar with that.
EXCLUSIVE function is traffic control.....ignorant. Look at the police section.
Had the town council only endorsed Supervisor Kabot's initiative, we would have NO debt.......stupid, ignorant, smoke and mirrors.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 2:46 PM
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 4, 11 10:56 PM
So? Reg rep . . . .ha ha ha!!
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 5, 11 7:12 AM
Regrep, if anyone should be embarrassed by what they post on this blog, it should be you.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 11 8:55 AM
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So, you actually think that because of his political party affiliation, that his opinions and points of view are not as valuable as yours? Do you truly feel that he should be silenced and his tongue shackled because he is a partisan? He's not afraid to offer his opinion and most times I agree with him and I wouldn't deny or belittle his positions regardless of which party or political group he belonged to. A little high school civics lesson on freedom of speech would probably help you, "reg rep", ...more
By EastEndHomie (27), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 5:40 PM
fcmcmann & EE Homie are both of you democrat committee members too? Re-read my comment I never said any of the statments you mentioned in your comments.
Both of you totally missed the point. TB posts are only because of his political connection to the democratic party. He's not just the average tax payer complaining about SH town's elected officials.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 9:55 PM
to Bayman3142:

I was ignorant of the fact that the STPD compensation figures were available on the redesigned Town Government website, thank your for correcting that error.

Per your suggestion, I further perused the budget and found that on an STPD salary base of $$10M, the Town has alloted $$500K for overtime (i.e. 5%). So add 5% to those inflated sums in the left hand column of the budget. That means that the unnamed sergeant was actually given a bonus of $6,135 on top of ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 5, 11 3:59 PM

"was actually given a bonus of $6,135 "

Do you understand how Overtime works? It means you are doing work O-V-E-R-T-I-M-E from what you are paid to do. It is not a "bonus" by any definition of the word. They are working - and working either weekends or late/early hours and are compensated for such. Do you think we shouldn't pay them for this?

I like how you ignored my queries as to your tax bill. You are all about the #'s, we know that. . . so give us the breakdown ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 6, 11 9:39 AM
Well if for nothing else, we have decided mutually, you are ignorant and lying.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 7, 11 9:29 AM
Survive on $200 a week, and then let us know if you think their compensation is "excessive", compared to many of those they are sworn to "serve, and protect".

Maybe if such disparity did not exist, their jobs would not be so hazardous, or difficult.

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 11 9:48 PM
I would love to know how many posters are democratic committee people and how many are republican committee people.
George Lynch (aka Turkey Bridge) do you know?
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 10:26 PM
ATH did not even thank the past supervisor for cutting $5million from the 2010 budget, laying off all those employees, handing her a leaner town government on a silver platter. ATH was also handed a town with no animal shelter, cost saving to the town over $1 million. I can't believe she is taking all the credit for someone's else hard work. She is a joke, shame on you ATH.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 11:23 PM
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REG REP may be given to some passionate expressions but what she says is unassailable that none of the opposing posters here can debunk! HERE ARE THE FACTS FOR THOSE NOT TOO LAZY TO REVIEW PAST S PRESS ARTICLES ON THE TOWN BUDGETS OR TOO DENSE TO UNDERSTAND BUDGET MATTERS!

1)After a doubling of the budget expenditures under Heaney for four or so years, the budget under Kabot was frozen during her first year as Supervisor after she started uncovering the accounting shenanigans!

2)In ...more
By Obbservant (449), southampton on Apr 7, 11 1:41 PM
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We're getting careless with our meds again, aren't we, reg rep?
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 6, 11 9:12 AM
Careful old man we don't want to see you burst a blood vessel.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 6, 11 11:52 AM
Reg rep, I can't help being old, but then I guess you can't help being unbalanced, either. Good luck to us both.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 7, 11 10:29 AM
Come on George (aka Turkey Bridge) you need to grow up. Your comment is childish.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 7, 11 10:21 PM
ill have to say i think HighHatSize SOUNDLY DEFEATS Nature & Bayman.

both sides make decent points, but Nature & Bayman never refute the dream pay that the resort cops are getting. 150k salary is so much more than so many people make!! and i would love to have public the guaranteed pensions these guys have negotiated... its surely has to be a very high percentage of their salary .. and it is guaranteed, nice job if you can get it ...

the local cops have a dream job. make way ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 6, 11 4:30 PM
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to Nature:

(Parenthetically, Thanks, david h.)

Call it what you want, it's another $6K.

If you read the budget at the referenced Town website, you will find that there are additional payments listed following the salary chart, to wit:

$569K - Holiday Pay
$261K - Severance
$300K - Part Time
$25K - Pay Differential - Special Units
$410K - Shift Differential
$295K - Longevity
$112K - Emergency ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 6, 11 10:31 PM
I'm glad the God's (mod's?) have determined David H is the ref in this "battle".

HH - where's the tax bil breakdown I asked for twice now? Just provide it back your talk up. My arguement (to David H) is not that it's OK to pay the cops a lot because it costs less than schools/fire dept., my point is that HH should be spending his time and energy (and outrage) on reducing the school and fire taxes which are so out of proportion (fire = voluneteer and yet costs HOW MUCH MORE than police? ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 7, 11 9:34 AM
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good points from both sides.

once again, the comments section is better than the original article.
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 7, 11 10:04 AM
to Nature:

I used Sarge to epitomize the STPD. He is as far as I can see the highest paid non-com in the force. As I said at the beginning of my post, I am unsure if ANY of the figures following the salary chart are additional or already included. If they ARE additional, then some cops are getting them and they are increments over base compensation (to the tune of $2M, 20% of the base figure (25% with overtime included).

Whether or not more of my tax dollars go to the teachers ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 7, 11 12:06 PM
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HH, Since you are set in the stupendously overpaid for what they do stance....tell us FACTUALLY what it is they do on a daily basis that leads you to this stance, and how it is that you know this. Since your track record so far is not very good....."I was ignorant...blah, blah, blah" You don't do your homework before posting........irrelevance of where your tax dollars actually go? you are blissfull living in ignorance. Southampton town gen tax is 3.3%.....FD tax is 6.2% PD tax.....3.8% highway ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 7, 11 4:51 PM
to Bayman3142;

According to the Press, the STPD arrests drunk drivers. It appears that they do this more than all other activities combined. After arresting drunk drivers, it arrests unlicensed operators (concomitant with the DWIs). Thirdly, it arrests illegal drug users (either concomitant with DWIs or as a result of STPD "stings" wherein the seller is a STPD informant.)

I don't know statistically what the incident reports are after the top three but, looking from the other ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 7, 11 9:21 PM
Well of course they "FAIL" to stop burglars and violent criminals in the course of their illicit actions. As stupid as the average criminal may be, very, very few are so mentally challenged that they will ply their trade in the presence of the constabulary. Is there a police department anywhere with that kind of clairvoyance? Perhaps we should have a "cop on every corner"...but then we'd have to pay them all, wouldn't we?

I don't want to vote on a cop's salary, or a dogcatcher's, or ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Apr 8, 11 1:20 AM
Yes, enough, I grow tired of the same stupendously ignorant statements, parenthetically, I have found comfort in the admittance of your ignorance, and give you slight accolades. Concomitantly, I find the verbiage in your stupendously ignorant statements, albeit statements are ignorant, exuberant to the extent of nauseam. Concomitant to the ignorance, you have been also revealed as a prevaricator. Hope your village finds you soon.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 8, 11 7:54 AM
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Wouldn't it be fantastic if HH turned out to be an STPD?! I think Reg Rep should look into this. . . her stalking of Turkey Bridge has lost its appeal quickly.

HH, your comments are ridiculous - you think cops should bust criminals in the act? Ummm the only way to do that is to have a cop everywhere.

I just read in another newspaper that STPD cops busted a woman who was involved with a bank robbery in Water Mill earlier this year - guess that's not good enough though, they should ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 8, 11 9:16 AM
to Bayman3142 et al.:

I merely responded to Bayman3142's question as to whether I knew what the STPD does. I posted what I knew, based on newspaper reportage. Rather than counter my statements, Bayman3142 went on another insubstantial ad hominem rant using somewhat less common synonyms for his tread-worn invective of previous posts (e.g. "prevaricator" instead of "lier".)

I understand his dilemma. When one has nothing left in one's quiver, one turns to abuse. (Here's some charitable ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 8, 11 12:32 PM
i like that both sides of this interesting debate have dialed it back a bit.

name calling only dilutes what is avery real & important issue and deserves the heated debate it has generated here.

HH makes an irrefutable argument >no doubt there is too much public funds literally donated away .. words like overtime pay, severance, part time, clothing allowance and so on are so laffable that if i stop laffing i might start crying!! its guys like me in the private sector who are ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 8, 11 2:36 PM

Thanks for the compliments (I think?). So let me get this straight... you make $25,000/year working 80 hours? Sounds like you made some poor decisions in your life and are being abused since that would equate to $6/hr. (Assuming cop pay is $250,000 which is about double the average cop's pay).

The disparity you see in taxes between your house and other homes "on double lots with tennis courts, guest cottages, garages etc." is due to a variety of factors - and I'm sure ...more
Apr 8, 11 2:59 PM appended by Nature
Btw, this comes from HH : "Paying this kind of money to a police force whose primary, nay, almost EXCLUSIVE function is traffic control is insane." Funny, how later on HH argues that the primary function of the STPD is to bust DWI's and drug users/dealers (which somehow is a bad thing?). Which is it HH?! There's NO WAY they could possibly be responsible for BOTH
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Apr 8, 11 2:59 PM
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nice content / nicely laid out ! THANK YOU Nature. great stuff.

ok ... yes i exagerated the wage thing,,, lets see by how much:
i make 75k, work 7am-5pm, lunch at desk, entertain 3 nights/wk or more, until 11pm or later, lots of booze - always a hangover, i get only a limited pecentage of entertainment expenses reimbursed, customer golf weekends (not a member anywher, not a golf fanatic) havent had a day off in 4 years (sorry honey no vacations this year .. again) and plenty of competetion. ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 8, 11 4:24 PM
Oh, how I hate to use up my only remaining daily comment as a non-subscriber but I must point out that, contrary to Nature's appendage, there is no discrepancy between stating that the almost exclusive duty of the STPD is traffic control. . . and/or busting DWIs. Traffic control (e.g. pulling someone over for "failing to maintain one's lane" [whatever that is]) is the reasonable cause that the STPD uses to bust DWIs. If they discover that the suspect is, indeed, both drunk AND in possession of ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 8, 11 5:32 PM
I grow tired of the same stupendously ignorant statements, parenthetically, I have found comfort in the admittance of your ignorance, and give you slight accolades. Concomitantly, I find the verbiage in your stupendously ignorant statements, albeit statements are ignorant, exuberant to the extent of nauseam. Concomitant to the ignorance, you have been also revealed as a prevaricator. Hope your village finds you soon.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 8, 11 9:26 PM
If you're gonna use "fifty-cent words", make sure your education cost more than a dollar...

1.Concomitant, may NOT be used as an adverb. It is a conjugated VERB. You cannot use a VERB, to modify one.

2. Nauseam, is in the accusative case. As in a direct object, inflected with a prepostion. I may only be used in such a special case, as it is NOT ENGLISH.

3. You know nothing of grammar, "I heard what you were saying! You know nothing of my work! You mean my whole fallacy ...more
Apr 8, 11 10:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
OH, for reference, just because you know how to use a Thesaurus to convolute (twist) the word "lie", only makes you respectably creative...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 11 10:00 PM
And, have mercy, I was going to overlook it, but "aw, what the he!!".

When you use "albeit", it requires a modifier, such as "that", used as a demonstrative adjective, or even the article "the". (e.g., "albeit statements 'that' are ignorant", OR, "albeit 'the' statements are ignorant".

I'll donate my copy of "Warriner's" to you, if you'd like...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 11 10:54 PM
If you have resorted to attempting to correct a obvious dig at HHS language, you need to get a life. Why dont you go find some squirrels in the back yard, they may be more interested in hearing anything you have to say. HHS is a bigboy, and quite honestly you have nothing to contribute to this thread. I have clearly pointed out that you are a liar, all officers are NOT members of the PBA. You are ignorant, a member of the board DOES remain on active duty, and you are merely a lapdog to HHS. Crawl ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 8:12 AM
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By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 8:12 AM
Why dont we address this....since this is now a grammar thread...(Parenthetically, Thanks, david h.) is it proper to use the word parenthetically, which means an expression in parenthesis when used as a noun, or adjective when qualifying? Lets here your unwity borish response Mr. Z, then you may return to your moderation flip flop pipe line.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 9:07 AM
Well, just came in from tidying the yard, and said "aww, what the hey"?

I did not address your use of the word parenthetically. Saying "concomitantly", is like saying "wently". Doesn't work. Didn't address [ww] related to synonyms. I simply found it somewhat entertaining to pick your "dig", to shreds. I had no intention of being witty. You can't even remember, what YOU wrote. When I finish reading the bylaws, I'll let you know.

"All officers are members of the PBA, this ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 11 12:41 PM
Ok.....I get frustrated then realize I am dealing with someone I shoud actually feel pity for, how many times did you actually have to attend 3rd grade? I will try to bring you up to speed. All officers are members of the pba, your example was that of the capt., who is not a member of the pba as pointed out in my post. I found it comical that you would attempt to correct my grammar, yet not touch HHS, but then you are nothing but a tagalong. HH put parenthetical in paranthesis.......back to the ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 1:40 PM
Well, that was an almost informative post. You claim abhor, and possibly even defy ignorance, yet do little, or nothing but condescend, and insult like a troll, instead of teach. In fact, if you looked at my posts, you will see a gap between Oct. - Dec. '09.

For over 56 years, there was no separation of the "brass", and the officers. They were all one unit. The story about the change was not headline news I was privy to. Didn't know things had changed. It actually makes little difference ...more
Apr 9, 11 2:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry, "claim to abhor".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 11 2:50 PM
My tart demeanor had nothing to do with you until you pushed your way in. "He meant officers not the board, where exactly, are you missing from?" So....if you are looking at who threw the first jab between us....look in the mirror instead of trying to be the innocent victim. Your explanation of ignorance goes no where with me. If you are going to speak, speak truthfully, research, and maybe you will one day have some respectability.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 4:04 PM
Ahh, yes. I was remiss, and hasty in posting about why I asked where you were missing from.

I think I just explained it.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 9, 11 4:17 PM
I feel this thread has run its course, so let's look at some of the facts....you stated officers reach top pay after 5 years......wrong. You state all board members are not active duty.......wrong again. You state/use the capt. Salary as justification of you stance on the over paid pba........wong again. You state/claim you are not ignorant because one of your jobs is too flip flop data in a pipe line.....see above. All information was found on this website with a little research, but some just ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 10, 11 11:55 AM
1. I never used the words "top pay". Don't put them in my mouth.

2. If you know so much, you obviously lack the civility, and wisdom to share it, without unkindness.

3. A CPU, flip-flops data. I simply roll my mouse between sites.

4. If you were as good at teaching, as attmeptming to hack people to shreds, I'm sure you'd be a much better person in the real world too.

5. Et finale, I don't travel in your little "cliche", and I do have the respect of many ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 10, 11 1:52 PM
well, just had a cup of coffee and figured, "aw, what the hey"
1. My bad
2. I would like a grammar check on this one.
3. and this one too. parenthetically you seem to have a attachment to commas.
4. I did NOT attempt (parnethetically I'll forgive the spelling error) to hack you to shreds.....I, in fact, RIPPED you to shreds.
5. If you would like to continue, I have other errors that you have stated, and would be more than happy to continue ripping you to shreds.
Et finale, ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 11, 11 8:31 AM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 8, 11 9:50 PM
to Bayman3142:

What could be more stimulating on a Saturday morning than a discussion of grammar, syntax and semantics?

"(Parenthetically, Thanks, david. h.)", is a grammatically incorrect sentence but not because I use the word "Parenthetically" within parentheses. That's A-OK. One of the meanings of "parenthetical" is, "I am digressing". As I used it, the semiotics of the word, "parenthetically", redundant within parentheses, emphasizes my indication that what is contained ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 9, 11 3:14 PM
Glad to see your still happily a ignorant little lapdog.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 4:40 PM
to Bayman3142:


Parenthetically, "you[']r[e]" & "a[n] ignorant. . ."
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 9, 11 8:49 PM
Oooops, this was meant for mr.z, but I guess you showed us what you consider yourself.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 9, 11 11:55 PM
There are NINETEEN STPD officers still on the payroll beyond twenty years. Their combined cost to the Town is $3,722,816/yr. It's not as if there would be gaping holes in the STPD organizational chart if we retired them all. There are plenty of other officers well shy of twenty years in the same positions as those nineteen and THEY would remain in place. Moreover, were the nineteen retired, cops of lower rank whose advancement has been retarded by the nineteen's refusal to move on would receive ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 10, 11 12:00 PM
There are NINETEEN STPD officers still on the....etc, etc. So. Shall we get rid of the twenty year officers? Here we go again, hopefully Mr. Z has learned his lesson and realized he should sit this out, or risk getting his feelings hurt again. HHS, I will now be refering to you as "Wild Bill Kabot"...There are only two people in this town who could carry such a long, unworthy grudge as far as you have, and using "Wild Bill Kabot" combines the two. I like it. It is witty, and very appropriate. I ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 11, 11 8:44 AM
Here's a lesson for you (No disparity here):

Average Suffolk County income per capita: $26,577
Statewide per capita (2010): $46,320
Average Suffolk County median household income: $65,288

Town Budget 2011:

SHTPD Starting Salary: $51,477
SHTPD Officer 1: $56,611
SHTPD Officer 2: $61,242
SHTPD Officer 3: $76,015
SHTPD Officer 4: $87,112
SHTPD Officer 5: $93,423
SHTPD Officer 6: $106,678
SHTPD Detective: $114,442
SHTPD Sergeant: $122,700
SHTPD ...more
Apr 12, 11 6:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
While you're at it, here's some research for you. It's a good time to be well heeled, especially if you invest in the NYC casino: http://money.msn.com/taxes/latest.aspx?post=26d490bd-7317-4f93-8b43-e1da1151ea5f>1=33005
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 11, 11 6:48 PM
You can copy and paste, too? BoBo the circus monkey better watch his job, your closing in.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 12, 11 8:29 AM
Oh yeah, you can cut and paste from a .pdf, viewed in a browser.

Apr 12, 11 9:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
Caught the "Enter" key. Colons and all, sure, cut and pasted. If you ever assume I'm that lazy again, well, I'd work circles around you, so it really doesn't matter...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 12, 11 9:00 PM
Only you, could completely miss the point of that information. And post an insult. Pathetic.

If you're superiority complex was any vaster, we'd have to grant it statehood.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 12, 11 9:44 PM
To Bayman3142:

More insubstantive ad hominem bushwa. Interesting that you terminated your quote of my post just before mentioning the $$3.7M that would vanish as a budget expense were the nineteen cops retired as was supposed to have happened years ago.

Interesting also that you vaguely gesture at "the budget" without troubling to explain why there would be a "gaping hole" were the nineteen cops retired. Would not that "gaping hole" be filled from promotions within the ranks?

"Being ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 11, 11 5:36 PM
To "Wild Bill Kabot":

Wow.......3.7 Million bucks!!! Just for knocking off the ENTIRE top half of the PD....Captain, LT's and sergeants. Amazing. Of course you have to promote 19 patrolman, then pay them what you were paying the ENTIRE top half of the PD you just let go. Yo really got the ignorant and stupidity market covered. More smoke and mirrors "Wild Bill" smoke and mirrors.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 11, 11 6:05 PM
to Bayman342:

Tsk-tsk. You really must pay more attention to the details. The nineteen cops to be retired did NOT include either the Captain or the Chief. It's a trial to trudge through financial data but it really is essential. When you make ignorant statements due to sloppy research, the gravitas of your opinion is degraded (appropriately.)

The cost of promotions within the force would not approach the cost of of supernumerary cops who have been on salary for twrenty + + ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 12, 11 12:09 AM
LongervIty pay increases are extraordinarily generous because no cops were supposed to be on the payroll beyond twenty years. When you make ignorant statements due to sloppy research, the gravitas of your opinion is degraded (appropriately.)You really must pay more attention to the details.
~ Wild Bill HHS

Chief........................ 43.0 years......Longevity payment=$5,304.00
Police Officer 6.........21.2 ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 12, 11 9:25 AM
Your plan would retire 3 detectives, 6 PO's, and 10 Sergeants. There are 13 Sergeants listed making the loss of 77% in that postion to be filled by patrolmen. A loss of 77% is a gaping hole, of your course you will be filling it, but time is needed to bring the replacements up to speed. Overtime will go through the roof as you wait for your new recruits to graduate, become trained, and adjust. Savings will be minimal comparatively speaking to the loss of experience, and of course the pending lawsuit ...more
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on Apr 12, 11 10:42 AM
to Bayman3142:

Far too long. Here's a reply that saw some editing:

1) "The savings in longevity pay AND A SHALLOWER PAY CHART GENERALLY would be astounding." (Kindly quote me accurately.)

2) Thank you for listing all the pedestrian jobs that STPD cops perform that DO NOT JUSTIFY their high salary. (The fact that the most dangerous incident you could recall involved a cop being assaulted "over a can of malt liquor" speaks volumes.)

3) Your paragraph about the ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 12, 11 2:21 PM
He should try reading this book.

Chapters 4, & 7 are a real pair of kicks to the pants...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 12, 11 10:06 PM