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Mar 19, 2010 3:26 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Bishop will vote yes on health care reform bill

Mar 19, 2010 3:26 PM

U.S. Representative Tim Bishop of Southampton announced on Friday that he will vote in favor of the Senate’s version of the federal health care overhaul bill that is coming the House’s way in the next few days.

With that declaration, Mr. Bishop became the 199th expected “yes” vote on the legislation. The Democrats need a total of 216 ayes to pass the bill, which could be put to a vote as soon as Sunday. Thirty-two congressman have yet to indicate which way they will vote.

In November, Mr. Bishop was one of 220 congressman to vote in favor of the House version of the health care bill, to 215 who were opposed.

Mr. Bishop was quoted as saying in a press release issued at about 2:30 p.m. on Friday that the legislation will save lives by insuring 30 million more Americans and will keep Medicare solvent by cracking down on waste, fraud and abuse. “I am pleased that the reconciliation process corrected several deal-breakers for me in the Senate bill, notably the side deals worked out for states such as Nebraska and a provision related to Medicaid funding that would have cost New York several billion dollars,” he said. “Another important factor was the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office’s analysis that estimates this bill will reduce the long term debt by over $1.3 trillion.”

The congressman cited several aspects of the bill he said would lower costs and make coverage more affordable.

“It includes tort reform, holds insurance companies accountable for keeping down premiums, prevents denials of care and coverage for pre-existing conditions, and will create a health care insurance marketplace that will give millions of Americans the kinds of options enjoyed today by all federal employees, including Members of Congress,” Mr. Bishop said.

The bill also includes many benefits that will begin immediately, Mr. Bishop said, including reducing the prescription drug “donut hole” by $250 and providing a 50-percent discount on brand-name drugs, providing free preventative services and immunizations for Medicare beneficiaries, helping the uninsured with pre-existing conditions enter a temporary high-risk pool and prohibiting insurance companies from placing lifetime caps on coverage.

Additionally, young adults will be able to stay on their parents’ insurance policies until their 26th birthday. According to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, that provision would affect 49,000 young adults in the First Congressional District.

“Long Islanders are not known for holding back their opinions, and I have had blunt conversations with literally thousands of constituents about health care,” Mr. Bishop said in the press release. “I have listened to deep, passionate feelings on both sides and I respect those opinions. I have heard from thousands of my constituents and from Americans across the country who are for or against the bill. Despite much disagreement about reform, however, there is broad recognition that the status quo either isn’t working or isn’t sustainable.

“The health care bill is not a perfect piece of legislation nor has it been crafted through a perfect process. As someone wiser than me once put it, the last perfect piece of legislation was handed down from a mountaintop on two stone tablets.”

His decision boiled down to two questions, Mr. Bishop said: “Does this legislation improve upon a status quo that is failing millions of Americans and will soon be unsustainable for millions more?” and “Whose side am I on—the side of the working families in my district like the one I grew up in, or the insurance companies?”

He said the legislation is an improvement—and he chooses the side of families.

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Yay Cong Bishop. The status quo is unsustainable. Report yesterday that NYS's uninsured grewthis last year by 500,000 and counting. Employers and individual systems cannot afford the current system. Despite the lack of bipartisan support, this bill incorporates many Republican ideas. We will immediately become a better country when Pres Obama signs health care reform. We'll join other industrialized nation with a goal of universal insuance.
By number19 (111), Westhampton on Mar 19, 10 3:38 PM
I hope that whatever deal Tim worked out included employment for him after the November election.
By workingmomof4 (21), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 4:27 PM
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Sounds like our congressman either got a ride on Air Force one or was smacked around by Pelosi... What a shame... Government controlled health care is a disaster worldwide.. welcome to mediocrity, socialism, and the end of America as the greatest nation on earth...
By grimag (38), southampton on Mar 19, 10 4:30 PM
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It is the type of fear and ignorance in your posting that would destroy America. Thank goodness that, in the end, you are no more than one of a small, vocal minority who care about nothing but your own personal interests.

Despite your ideological deficiencies, you should rest easier knowing that if this legislation passes you will never have to worry about ending up bankrupt and on the street due to a lack of health care because people like Tim Bishop and Nancy Pelosi fought for all ...more
By lablover (104), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 5:03 PM
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I am taking a poll. How many people really think we are going to spend a trillion dollars and have it actually save us money?

By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 19, 10 5:17 PM
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Medicare + Medicaid are both government-run health care programs. Do you consider them socialist as well?

And what about Social Security? It can be argued that it's an example of wealth redistribution...is that socialist too?

My point is that the government already has an enormous hand in our daily lives; why is healthcare suddenly the the straw breaking the camel's back?
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 5:59 PM
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Agawam, you have to consider the source. Grimrag is the same person who, in a letter to the editor of this paper, accused the Catholic church of colluding with immigrants in a communist plot to overthrow America. He also recently went crazy at a school board meeting shouting at a mother who expressed her opinion to "SHUT UPT!! SHUT UP!!" He then posted on this very site that the woman should be "put in a cage"

I think this person fairly well typifies the anti-reformist and will never ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 19, 10 6:09 PM
Medicaid and Medicare are broke.. Is this a good example to set?
By conservative-gal (6), Sagaponack on Mar 20, 10 12:36 PM
I agree. We are watching a soft Tyranny unfold before our eyes. It is a disgrace. Unconstitutional.
By conservative-gal (6), Sagaponack on Mar 20, 10 1:06 PM
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Hi Conservative Gal,

I totally see your point.... Why emulate a failing business model, right? But that's not exactly what I'm trying to say. The rallying cry of so many health-care bill oponents has been along the lines of "keep the goverment out of my health care!". So my point is that via Medicare and Medicaid, the govt is already involved (since 1965!) and no one is calling them socialist. See what I'm getting at? It's all a matter of perspective.
By Agawam Yacht Club (69), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 7:09 PM
Thank you, Mr. Bishop. Let's hope that this bill brings us one step closer to the rest of the world's democracies who insure all citizens.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 4:44 PM
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yes....big thanks to you Tim! LOL!!! What a joke. Why don't you Libs get a job and work hard for a living to get what you want? Why does the Govt have to support you? As Stretch Peolosi says: we have to wait for the bill to pass to see what is in it......so Hope all you wand ma'am.....hope all you want.

Howz your Hope and Change going for you?????

By conservative-gal (6), Sagaponack on Mar 20, 10 12:56 PM
Well I do work hard and I still cant afford insurance. So what do you have to say about that? REGULATING the insurance companies is not going to turn us into a Socialist country, nor does it mean that I would be accepting a handout. It just makes sense to regulate ridiculous prices and policies that are put forth by health insurance companies. But then again, you probably came from money so you dont have to worry about that.
By lczoe (4), westhampton on Mar 20, 10 3:33 PM
At the risk of putting Tim Bishop in even worse repute with the dead-enders, I'd guess it took neither the Obama carrot nor the Pelosi stick to bring him around. Tim Bishop is the kind of decent and thoughtful person who would come to supporting health care reform all by himself, because it's the right thing to do, a conclusion that the rest of the industrialized world reached some time ago.

It is time for America to catch up, and to stop letting the reactionary right act as a brake ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 19, 10 4:47 PM
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Despite the far-rights' lies and ludicrous cries of "socialism" and "government take over," both of which this bill most certainly is not, we will finally get meaningful healthcare reform in this country. This bill will be a foundation on which to build the goal of universal coverage.

We have been given a very clear insight into the great philosophical chasm that exists between the two parties: on the right - tax cuts to the wealthy (which contributed 2 trillion dollars to our deficit), ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Mar 19, 10 4:52 PM
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This bill is the most comprehenisve piece of legislation dealing with health care reform in decades.The bill is by no means perfect but will cover over 30 million AMERICANS who do not have health care. Fortunately I am in a position where I already have health care through my employer. Workingmomof4, just curious to how you feel about the other "workingmomsof4" in this country that DO NOT have health care through their employer? Grimag, perhaps you should look into moving along with Rush Limbaugh ...more
By BaymenNYC (59), Manhattan on Mar 19, 10 4:52 PM
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The individual mandate is unconstitutional. The federal government can not require everyone breathing air to purchase a particualr product or service. The United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia is go to so rule.
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 19, 10 5:00 PM
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to RemembertheDucks

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 20, 10 2:25 PM
US Constitution- the commerce clause does not allow the federal government to regulate inactivity. Beyong that, punitive taxes- in this case for not buying insurance- are squarely against supreme court case law.

Why Va? They passed a law last week specifically to prohibit an individual mandate. That circuit is know as "rocket docket" for the speed with which cases are decided. The ruling will come down by end of summer.

By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 22, 10 11:46 AM
Great! Thanks Tim. We need healthcare reform desperately. Too many hard working people have no insurance and can't afford to buy any, not if they are still to be able to pay their rent and eat.

The faces of the uninsured are not the faces of poverty, many of them are the faces of our friends and neighbors, but we do not find out they are uninsured until something terrible happens to them. They are the countless part time office workers, waitresses and salespeople we interact with daily. ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 19, 10 5:06 PM
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Don't fool yourself, only if the government health plan approves medical care (if they deem the person worth it) will these sick people ever see any medical services.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 10:45 PM
Nearly 3/4 of Americans do not want this bill as presently constructed. Democrats in Washington know that their time is coming to an end in November and are doing whatever it takes, no matter how immoral or unethical to ride out in a blaze of glory to get something only they want done.

This plan has already failed once in the state of Massachusettes and without Federal bailouts that state would be completely bankrupted already. So what does congress and our president do? Instead of learning ...more
By Wickatuck (4), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 6:00 PM
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Taxpayers earning over $250,000 will pay an added tax on unearned income and capital gains in addition to increases due to Bush tax cuts expiring. These type of taxpayers are the engine of the East End ecnomy. Put an added burded on these people and you'll see housing values drop, all services related to housing upkeep drop as well entertainment, while umemployment will skyrocket. Out of work people will not be able to afford healthcare and therefore be subsidized. TAXES _TAXES TAXES
This ...more
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 19, 10 6:46 PM
There is no money. The current federal budget, that doesn't include this new entitlement is already at a $1.5 Trillion deficit. The money that to pay for this will come from new taxes and more debt, extracting free market/free enterprise capital from America and further stunting the growth of the economy. More people will lose their jobs and their homes. By the way, does anyone actually know someone who died because they we uninsured? I had occasion to accompany someone to the emergency room recently. ...more
By RichardBlumenthal (24), Westhampton Beach on Mar 19, 10 6:54 PM
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Yeah, but who do you think paid for that uninsured persons care? It's not "free".
The hospital would never turn them away, but will get stuck with the hard costs. Is that right? It hurts our hospitals financially - check out Southamptons balance sheets - and drives up the insurance cost for the rest of us. We need this reform, like it or not.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 21, 10 11:01 AM
Outside of waging war, can anyone offer an example of something the government does well?
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 19, 10 8:27 PM
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They're pretty good at finding creative ways to steal money out of their citizens' wallets. There will now be a financial penalty for anyone who doesn't BUY health insurance ($2000 annually, or 2% of income, whichever is more)
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 20, 10 2:31 AM
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 21, 10 12:24 PM
Thank you U.S.Congressman Tim Bishop.
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Mar 19, 10 8:52 PM
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Thank you Tim.
By lb (2), whb on Mar 19, 10 9:27 PM
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Pray that this health care bill fails. If it should pass, it’s the ends of having any new good doctors going into the profession.
The government can't run anything, Medicare is broke and now some doctors are dropping Medicare patients because they pay peanuts. What good doctor will work for a $10 or $15 office visit?
This bill is not even passed, and now obama is looking to give amnesty to all illegally.
We all know who will be paying for them as well. That’s us the middle class.

Mar 19, 10 9:52 PM appended by reg rep
Sorry: amnesty to all illegals.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 9:52 PM
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Immigration "reform" is next. Everyone who needs health care in the western hemisphere will be on the US healthcare tit. Just you watch.
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 19, 10 10:17 PM
Wow Bishop read all 2000 + pages of this bill already and knows everything that's in it. Wasn't it just released? He is so full of it. He has no idea what he's voting yes for and could really care less.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 19, 10 10:09 PM
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2700 pages
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 19, 10 10:13 PM
What happens when you add 30,000,000 new patients while the number of Doctors is decreasing?
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 19, 10 10:11 PM
Can anybody name a country for me in which universal healthcare is either not bankrupting the country or greatly limiting the quality of care?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 20, 10 2:42 AM
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According to the world health organization, all of the countries listed below rank higher than the US in terms of access to and quality of care.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 10 12:03 PM
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This is a ranking of access to medical care, it can't possibly be a ranking of quality of care. People from every one of the countries on this list come to the US to have major surgeries, due to the fact that our level of healthcare is far superior. I do not by that this would happen if all of these countries had better quality healthcare than us. Please cite your source.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 22, 10 4:11 AM
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Yes, wealthy people from all over the world come to US and pay top dollar for Medical Care. And they pay cash How the hell does that have anything to do with health insurance?
By C Law (354), Water Mill on Mar 22, 10 5:34 AM
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Our level of healthcare is superior IF YOU HAVE ACCESS which millions do not. Do people from other countries come here for preventative care? No. Do they come her for mamograms or colonoscopies or diabetes testing? No. But millions of people living right here in our neighborhoods, good, hard-working, taxpaying citizens, have no access to basic care and, because of that, we rank below so many

If you read the post you're commenting on you will see that a source was cited The World Health ...more
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 12:30 PM
My point, C Law, was that alomg with the list provided by fcmcmann she suggests that 36 countries have better QUALITY healthcare than the U.S. (which is not accurate)

setyoufree, I was asking specifically where she read this list, because I couldn't find it. I was hoping to read the specific information taken into consideration when compiling it-- as I believe fcmcmann has misrepresented it in this post. That is all, I don't doubt that she saw a list that the US ranked 36th on, but I ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 27, 10 12:46 AM
p.s. setyoufree- I know someone who specifically moved to the US from canada so that her diabetes could be better tended to.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Mar 27, 10 1:18 AM
Health Care. Brought to you by the same people that run the passport office.

By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 6:58 AM
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Read the legislation: this is not government run health care, it is still controlled by the private insurance industry! Glenn Beck is NOT a reliable source of information, people, sorry.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 10 12:04 PM
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Biden said the govt was going to control the insurance companies.
By conservative-gal (6), Sagaponack on Mar 20, 10 12:40 PM
The government is going to REGULATE private insurance companies whose job it is to make a profit, not provide you quality health care. I am so amazed that you tea-partiers would stand up for a freaking corporation whose job it is to steal you blind! You are the tool of corporate America and the best think is, you don't even realize it.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 10 1:26 PM
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You are a commie
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 10:18 AM
Ironically, this gov. take over makes me sick. Why people have any faith in gov. run programs baffles me. Everything the gov. touches goes bankrupt. It's a form of insanity to expect this to be any different.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 20, 10 8:01 AM
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For everyone who thinks healthcare reform is the answer you must hate your children and grandchildren. There aren't enough doctors and nurses now. You already spend hours in the emergency room for care this reform will make the wait days. You will see a drastic reduction in the number of people going into the healthcare professions because the government will want them to work for free and they won't be able to afford to pay for their malpractice insurance. Just look at anything run by the government. ...more
By lifesaver (118), speonk on Mar 20, 10 8:42 AM
What this bill should be called is HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM! Who here thinks that we do not need health insurance reform? These companies are bleeding the country by a thousand cuts. They are more concerned about profits then providing services. We all know people who have health insurance and were denied coverage......come on folks, this is HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM.
Thank you Congressman Bishop for taking real steps toward taking on the Insurance Companies….hang in there; your constituents are ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 8:52 AM
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Unfortunately, these bills as written will become unsustainable entitlements For those of you in NY who think this will lead to drastic changes, think again. Nearly all the critical aspects of these bills already exist in the state of NY (community rating, guaranteed issue, expanded required coverages, expanded Medicaid eligibility) as they do throughout the Northeast and California. The result from their application is a reduction in competition (in NY, Empire BC/BS is nearly a single payer system ...more
By Native Westhamptonite (14), Westhampton on Mar 20, 10 8:59 AM
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If people can't afford healthcare now, how are they going to pay for it when it is Federally mandated? No one is mentioning the "add-on" of the "Student Loan" Bill? Once passed our children can only borrow money from the government? No more private lending from banks or college funds with banks, this too is an important issue that they are brushing under the rug of the Health Care Bill.

Full List of Backroom Health Deals in
"Deem and Pass" Healthcare Bill
From Ryan Ellis on Friday, ...more
By teeteeme (11), Water Mill on Mar 20, 10 9:52 AM
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Your posting is so full of outright lies that I find it hard to believe you actually wrote it. The Student Loan Bill redirects money that currently flows as subsidies to student loan providers into aid to make college more affordable for students.

Show me where in the legislation that private bank student lending is done away with. I challenge you to back up your assertions, not with something you heard from Glenn Beck, but with actual text from the legislation. It is OK to disagree with ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 10 11:59 AM
All federally guaranteed college loans will now be made by the federal government. The only bank allowed to make such loans will be the state-owned bank in North Dakota and that is only because their one congressman was "undecided" about the health care bill. The "North Dakota Bank Job" is the name this one has gotten.
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 20, 10 12:16 PM
Glenn Beck is too moderate. Now, Mark Levin......Rush Limbaugh......now we're talking !!!!! LOL.....maybe you should listen to Mark and Rush... fcmccmann.
By conservative-gal (6), Sagaponack on Mar 20, 10 12:45 PM
Exactly "all federally guaranteed student loads" The legislation DOES NOT bar private banks from making student loans. Now tell me why people like you side with private banks who add up to 30% in costs to student loans, over federally guaranteed student loans which do not. Do you think the banks are more concerned about you then the government?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 10 1:23 PM
There is not one thing in my post that is "made up" and I resent you calling me a liar. The purpose of having a COMMENT section is so that people can do just that. If you don't agree with it, so be it. But in the future, why don't you refrain from childish namecalling and just state your opinion.If you can't play with the adults, go back to the sandbox.

If you will notice I put the source of my info., if it turns out to be wrong,.....ooops! But I think you should read more carefully ...more
By teeteeme (11), Water Mill on Mar 20, 10 4:02 PM
FCMCMANN was right, your posting was completely untrue. You said, referring to the student loan legislation "Once passed our children can only borrow money from the government" False. You may not have intentionally lied, but you certainly did not bother to check your facts.

You are quoting a republican opposed to health care and everything the president proposes and he is lying.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 6:42 PM
Do not give up my Conservative friends!! We knew Bishop would vote yes. Please, this is no surprise. We must keep the focus on our movement....especially here in the Hamptons......Land-o-the-Libs. Stay strong.
By conservative-gal (6), Sagaponack on Mar 20, 10 12:50 PM
HAH! This is the first of many battles you neocons will lose! Long live the liberals!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 10 1:27 PM
That's the problem... you see this as a battle between neocons and liberals.
It's health care we are talking about. If this very same bill came from the Republicans and they used the same tactics that your beloved liberals are using, you'd be dead set against it.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 20, 10 9:43 PM
Well ANOTHER sell out. Time to send Bishop walking
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 20, 10 1:02 PM
Good for Bishop. He will vote just as any compassionate person would, (and compassion IS NOT a highly prized value in Congress). It will be necessary for him to hold his nose with his left hand while his right hand asserts "Yea" to the roll call vote. Voting to make insurance companies the masters of all they survey is gut-wrenching. One can only hope that successive bills will pull the rug from under these predatory greedheads. (Probably not, though, they already have so much money to throw ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 20, 10 2:15 PM
Much has been made recently of a California insurance company proposing up to a 39% increase in their rates for their individual insurance line. What isn't widenly spoken about is their individual line is actually operating at a loss. Businesses deserve to make a profit on their investment. Without profit, why would anyone put their capital at risk?

By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 20, 10 3:28 PM
Absolute nonsense. The company in California you are referring to is Wellpoint and the made massive profits last year by dropping sick people and raising premiums. The insurance industry makes billions of dollars in profit every year. Fine, they are a business, that is why the exist. But that is also why health care should be not-for-profit.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 5:33 PM
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 20, 10 6:02 PM
These companies make money by denying coverage, dropping sick people, and raising premiums. You want us to feel sorry for Wellpoint because they made billions in profit? Justify this:

Angeline Braly, Wellpoint's CEO, earned more money in 2008 ($9,844,212) than in 2007 (9,094,271), increasing her option rewards by nearly $1.5 million, and also receiving a $200,000-plus bump in base salary, from $922,269 to $1,135,538.

Braly's "other compensation" comprised use of a private jet ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 6:38 PM
Why don't we all put things into perspective? I'm willing to bet that everyone who is complaining about this HAS insurance. Well I am 25 years old...born and raised on the East End, and let me tell you something...it SUCKS to be my age in the US. I cant afford to finish college. I can't afford health insurance. Yet I make too much money to qualify for Medicaid. With the three years of college I do have, the job market only offers part time work any way...which does not qualify me for benefits. ...more
By lczoe (4), westhampton on Mar 20, 10 3:18 PM
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Iczoe, I sympathized with you until the very end. What does you, or any American, not having insurance have to do with undocumented workers? Nothing. The vast majority of folks without insurance using emergency rooms are citizens of the US - single mothers and children without insurance. You deserve affordable health care, everyone in America does, but to say that "illegal aliens" are receiving free health care and you can't is short-sighted, bigoted and unworthy of a college educated individual. ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 5:30 PM
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Oh no you misunderstood me...If you scroll up, the second comment from "pressguy" states that: "The bet here is the middle class will end up paying for the millions of poor people -many not even legal residents -- who will get a free ride. " I was simply trying to let him know that this already takes place. I was sarcastically saying that I might have it better, being an undocumented person, because at this point in time, its pretty desperate. I would never seek to belittle anyone or say that ...more
By lczoe (4), westhampton on Mar 21, 10 12:46 AM
I hope that clears things up. Sometimes my sarcasm gets me in hot water.
By lczoe (4), westhampton on Mar 21, 10 12:54 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 5:34 PM
to Iczoe:

You have but scratched the surface of multi-generational public policy that has screwed those segments of the enfranchised population who are too new to be identifiable as a voting bloc. Hard as it may be to believe, there was a time in the United States following WWII and the Korean War when students could get a post-graduate degree from most public universities without encountering any debt. In fact, the philosophic goal of prestigious state universities, like the U of California ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Mar 20, 10 4:19 PM
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Being able to stay covered under your parents insurance until you are 26, which this bill does, will be a major help to people like Iczoe.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 5:31 PM
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It's clear that there are strongly held viewpoints on this question. It's equally clear that those viewpoints are deeply divergent, demonstrating the great divide between those who care about their fellow man and those who don't. In my opinion, those who oppose this legislation fall in that second category -- they don't care about their fellow man, and in not caring, they defy all the moral and ethical teaching of Western civilization.

Among all the opponents, there are only two subgroups ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 20, 10 4:52 PM
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You sure do paint with a broad brush. You are going to need a bigger box if you want to categorize why people are for or against this or any other piece of legislation.
So if you think this version of healthcare reform is wrong for the country then you don't care for your fellow man? Are your philosophy books penned by Dr Seuss?
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 20, 10 9:32 PM
When someone has fallen down and cannot get up you do not keep him there and bring him food, You help him up and make sure he is able to stand by himself. NO THATS CARING FOR PEOPLE!!!!
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 22, 10 8:09 AM
Don't care about your fellow man? What a clueless comment. You might try reading up on the constitution, and garnering a better understanding of LIBERTY.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 20, 10 6:39 PM
Please explain which part of the constitution your referring to? Does the constitution say "each man for himself"?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 6:46 PM
We all agree that the country needs healthcare reform as right now it's a disaster. That said, this bill is a joke and Obama and Pelosi did nothing but twist arms, bend rules and force it down our throats. This process is an insult to all of us. I hope that anyone who is applauding this remembers this day when you wake up and realize that you just fell for a pile of garbage. Very expensive garbage at that. The Repubs had 8 yrs and did NOTHING. The Dems follow up with this nonsense. Those of you ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 20, 10 7:00 PM
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Well done Mr. Bishop, the country needs more men like you to lead us out of the mess the Bush, Cheney crowd has left .
By DJ9222 (85), southampton on Mar 20, 10 7:33 PM
People are guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We are not guaranteed happiness. Oh and this trillion dollar socialist health program will be paid for with tax payer money. If you understand the founding principles, they deemed taxing one person's prosperity to give to another as unconstitutional. In other words wealth redistribution is unconstitutional.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 20, 10 8:15 PM
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The wealthy pay a smaller proportion of their income in taxes than the middle class. Where were you when Bush and the Republicans gave huge tax breaks to millionaires and corporations - unpaid for tax breaks which added 2 trillion dollars to the deficit. Where were you when the redistribution went from the middle class to the rich? Do you think that is what the founders hand in mind? I don't.

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By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 3:49 PM
I heard the same thing as teeteeme, student loans will be given from the government not from banks. Where do you get your lies from, channel CBS, NBC, CNN or ABC. If this was such a great health care bill why is Obama making deals on air force one and making threats to democrats who are on the fence, telling them they wont have any friends in the White House if they vote no on this bill. This president acts like a dictator and wants government to control everything our lives.
Can ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 8:40 PM
FCM is so liberal she makes Sean Penn blush. What FCM doesn't realize is that the hard push from liberals is turning moderates into republicans. Ther will be push back and it will be strong.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 20, 10 9:34 PM
I hope those that are in favor of this health care bill know that the cost is 1/6th of the economy. ONE SIXTH people. This is the start of the fall of this country. I do not want or need to be taken care by the gov. from cradle to grave. I want to work for what I have and do not want any hand out from anyone. I do not believe in re-distribution of wealth.
Another point, how will the gov. tell a private ins comp that parents must cover children to age 26?
Why is Pelosi telling members of ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 9:58 PM
peoplefirst Re: your comment above Wellpoint
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 20, 10 10:08 PM
Yes, free the insurance companies so they can continue to screw the American public. Reg rep screams and yells about liberty but would happily sell her soul to a private company whose only goal is to make as much money as possible from your misfortune. They will allow you to die to make a dollar, but you're afraid of the government? If you think this is socialism you need to actually read a book instead of burning them.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:25 AM
Thank you reg rep I was feeling a little lonely out there. There is no use arguing with these people. When their house of cards comes crumbling down, we will be the ones to rebuild. Obama lies to their faces, alll they have to do is look at some of his past "speeches" and compare. So it is not "opinion" it is "FACT" Now I have ear plugs in so don't respond until you have something of value to say, not an insult. Notice no one tackled the "backroom deals" I wrote about, but they crucified me ...more
By teeteeme (11), Water Mill on Mar 21, 10 12:43 AM
The reason you feel alone is that you are but one of a very small vocal minority
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 1:26 PM
Where does the constitution give the government the power to FORCE a person to purchase a product??!! The Marxist in Chief and his minions in congress and the senate have over stepped their authority in a misguided power grab. Bishop has got to go this November along with the rest of the Demokrat cabal.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 21, 10 8:46 AM
The constitution does not talk about income taxes or social security either, but we all pay for them because they are for the greater good - and because we are forced to by law.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 21, 10 11:19 AM
Correct. Your taxes are too high because your govt spends unwisely. Social Security is a complete dog and you will never get back what you put in. And now we will have govt health care. So history has already shown us what a wonderful job the govt does for "the greater good"
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 21, 10 11:36 AM
Headline should read
There had to be some kind of deal. Less than a month ago I recived a email from Bishop's office that he was going to vote NO
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 21, 10 12:22 PM
Today in congress the Republican party stands in favor of private insurers who make billions in profits by denying coverage. They stand against the millions of struggling, uninsured, hard-working Americans and for private insurance CEO's who make hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Same as it ever was.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 3:44 PM
Today in congress the Demokrat party stands in favor of big government taking control of 1/6 of the nation's economy. They stand against hard working Americans. They stand for federal tax dollars being used to MURDER UNBORN BABIES. Nice going Tim Bishop.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 21, 10 3:55 PM
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"Demokrat party"? What's that about?
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 21, 10 4:58 PM
Thankfully, the lies and fear-mongering of you and your fellow neocons had little to no effect. This is the first step towards achieving universal health care. The only thing I will enjoy more than the victory of this legislation is the defeat of people like you.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 5:34 PM
The health reform bill will not pay for abortions, that is a repuke excuse to JUST SAY NO.
By DJ9222 (85), southampton on Mar 21, 10 4:48 PM
Remember what you did when election time come around.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Mar 21, 10 4:48 PM
If this health care program passes at a cost of 1/6th (ONE SIXTH) of the economy the gov. is hiring 14,000 new IRS agenda to enforce the rules.
Someone said something about fear, you should be afraid, very afraid. This is first steps towards socialism.
Some of these people who probably have lived off the dole and been used to hand outs would be in favor of this bill.
Does anyone know what this SERVICE.ORG is, heard a commercial on WLNG with Obama voice encouraging our youth to sign ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 5:58 PM
Remember in November!!! Your vote IS your voice!!!! This is still America- BE HEARD
By just1voice (1), East Hampton on Mar 21, 10 6:10 PM
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Could any of you supporters oft this bill please post how this bill will actually cut health care costs. (No pre-existing conditions, children up to 26 on family plans, no lifetime cap etc) More costs for the insurance company to raise rates.
Shouln't the cost containment start with the vendor charging for the services. The insurance companies just pay for the medical service and charge premims based on billing rates.
Please, all healthcare supportes please explain this.
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 21, 10 6:48 PM
So let's discuss insurance companies and what the prices will be in ten years. Health cost has gone up 400% in 8 years.
What is that about....and I do not know why so many of you stand up for the insurance companies who would deny your necessary treatment and even let you die to save 8 thousand dollars.
You all know that I am right. We cannot afford to do nothing!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 7:14 PM
SH Native I guess you are one of those that has no health insurance.
You did not answer the question how much will this health care cost american's, we all know its not going to be free.
With the gov. running health care how long before its broke just like medicare. Do you really think for one minute that health services will not be limited and denied for the very sick(those that the gov think are hopeless) or the elderly?
BTW for me, I am not standing up for ins companies, I am standing ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 7:39 PM
Keep your damned insurance, nobody cares. You stand up for your own rights but demand that others' be taken from them? You lose, now move aside.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:29 AM
Under the plan, you still can choose which insurance company insures you and your family!
So now what?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 21, 10 9:30 PM
Where is Otis Pike when you need him?
By Hilton Head SC (3), Hilton Head Island on Mar 21, 10 10:14 PM
Water for votes: from the WSJ


As for those who needed more persuasion: California Rep. Jim Costa bragged publicly that during his meeting in the Oval Office, he'd demanded the administration increase water to his Central Valley district. On Tuesday, Interior pushed up its announcement, giving the Central Valley farmers 25% of water supplies, rather than the expected 5% allocation. ...more
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Mar 22, 10 3:09 AM
Thank You for voting YES to Health care reform... Congressman Bishop.... one more good vote!!!!
By radioeuropa (8), east hampton on Mar 22, 10 7:08 AM
Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. Not only will corporate taxes go up.. but every single one of us will be paying for this disaster through the nose. Upwards of 16 million people will be dumped on to medicaid rolls. Medicaid is paid 50% by the Feds, 25% by the states and 25% by the counties.. if anyone is paying attention new york state is broke, suffolk county is in a financial hole.. so guess what our property taxes, sales taxes and state income taxes will be going up to fund ...more
By grimag (38), southampton on Mar 22, 10 8:00 AM
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Tim Bishop NEVER paid for health care himself. Neither has his wife. Neither has the people who voted YES. Neither has the people who supported it. How do you spend money you don't have? Suffice it to say that more jobs will be lost, inflation will come because they will have to print money, and costs will sky rocket. The only good news for seasoned citizens is that they probably won't be around long enough to pay for this mess. We needed reform, not this. One more thing, a "closed" loophole ridden ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 22, 10 8:05 AM
Why didn't we hear from you neocons during the lead-up to the Iraqi invasion? We spent more money there than we will for health care. Why was/is that OK but HEALTH INSURANCE reform not OK?
Also, why are so many of you folks standing up for the health insurance industry. They would sell you and your families out in a heartbeat.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 8:26 AM
Ahhhh yes that does make sense. Bush started the Iraq war so we should all settle for a horrible health care bill. Once again the liberals yell "Glen Beck, Neocon, Iraq War, Tax cuts for the rich"
People, G W Bush is gone and most of the world thinks that is a good thing. Time to exhale and move on. Try to look at the legislation without your party goggles on and tell us how this is a good long term solution?
This "We won, we won" mentality is a fools game.
Nobody wins here folks. Your ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 22, 10 8:46 AM
Follow your own advice. Your screen name is one of the most appropriate I've seen.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:20 AM
so would the government and they just did
By cwulforst (5), Manorville on Mar 22, 10 9:25 AM
Ha. I can offer solutions (like ala carte insurance bundles that best suit the needs of any given family or individual) but that isn't my job. PF you spew your angry liberal nonsense constantly. You may want to look up the meanings of fact and opinion because you clearly have things scrambled up in that noggin of yours.
You are sooooo very angry. Relax.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 22, 10 9:50 AM
"I can offer solutions but that's not my job" You really ARE a republican. POP! Another neocon head explodes! It's like the fourth of July!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 12:26 PM
Why? simple. This is government controlling our lives. READ the bill(now law). Unfunded mandates to states. Health care as a RIGHT. Under the old system, no one was denied care. Walk into a hospital and see for yourself. We needed reform, not this backroom dealing, non transparent, pork filled law that will cost us all. It would have been cheaper to buy the 30 million uninsured policies. It would cost under a trillion I am sure. Our freedoms are gone. Our Republic is gone evidenced by the way ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 22, 10 8:43 AM
A dangerous precedent has certainly been set.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 22, 10 8:48 AM
Oh, it certainly has! Listen, double standard, if I were you I would get out now while you still can, those of us who still maintain our sanity will look after things while you're gone. No, really, we'll be fine, you go. Please.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:33 AM
Good to know and thank you for the offer. However, I can not accept as I don't think you will do a good job. You have bad roll models.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 22, 10 9:51 AM
Is your family's health not worth 1/6th?
By interestedtaxpayer (21), southampton on Mar 22, 10 8:57 AM
The real problem with the passage of this bill, besides stripping away our civil liberties, is the fact that we can't even begin to afford it. Our house is burning down and we are polishing newel posts. I think Congress should be completely abolished. I can vote on a piece of legislation that I haven't read just as well as Tim Bishiop.
By cwulforst (5), Manorville on Mar 22, 10 9:21 AM
Give us two examples of how this bill strips away your civil liberties. Just two examples with actual language form the legislation and an explanation of how it will happen. And don't quote anyone from Fox News.

By the way, if no one read it, then no one knows what is in it, so how can you say it strips away your civil liberties! You lose.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:31 AM
By the way, if no one knows what's in a bill that is passed in the house then that's ulitmate proof that everyone's civil liberties have been stripped away.
By cwulforst (5), Manorville on Mar 22, 10 9:39 AM
That makes absolutely no sense, but it is clear that you cannot answer the question nor point to any actual legislation that would back up your claims. You are simply parroting falsehood you've heard spewed by other right-wingers.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 10:04 AM
Just based on your responses, I don't think you are capable of understanding simply because you don't want to. Don't make assumptions, I'm a registered Democrat and I get my news from various sources on the internet (liberal and conservative alike). I'll let you have the last word we all know you need it.
By cwulforst (5), Manorville on Mar 22, 10 10:16 AM
You made ludicrous accusations that you clearly CANNOT defend. Period. Thanks for the last word!
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 10:24 AM
This from David Frum - former assistant to and speech writer for George W. Bush and one of the most die hard conservatives around. He could not be more correct:

"No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:37 AM
Right on, David!
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 22, 10 9:02 PM
I encourage anyone to call bishops office and ask for a copy of the letter he sent pelosi stated the reasons why he wouldn NOT vote for the senate bill. His number is 631-696-6500. Once again bishop does not listen to his contituents or himself for that matter and votes party lines. He is not looking out for nyers. Dump bishop
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 10:08 AM
Everyone makes out on this bill but the working people who will be forced to pay for this crap. Reform.. Yeah right. Everyone gets a deal but us. Even the poor insurance companies get 30 million more insured most of them paid for with subsidies from tax payer money. Just another entitlment we can't afford
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 10:15 AM
As a progressive I believe that this bill does not go nearly far enough. I hope we will one day have single payer in this country. In the meantime, I am thoroughly enjoying watching all the right wing heads exploding!!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 12:02 PM
That's the spirit. I'm not happy with the bill but I'm happy that conservatives are mad. Very intelligent
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 12:14 PM
POP! There goes another one! Love it!!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 12:20 PM
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By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 1:12 PM
POP! POP! Triple head explosion! You're not a conservative?! HAH! Pop!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 1:14 PM
Oh setyoufree you are the clever one aren't you? Take a look at your tax bill in the coming years. POP! There goes your head.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 22, 10 1:30 PM
Ah, the king of the neocons weighs in. That is a big POP! Another rightie head explodes! I can wait to see what cap and trade does to you guys!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 2:29 PM
You mean what it does to us. Or are you exempt?
Hey listen, since you like giving your money away so much can you send a few bucks over to People First for some anger management therapy?
By double standard (1506), quogue on Mar 22, 10 3:24 PM
Now, now, no reason to bring others into this - I can handle your nonsense all by myself! POP! Keep up the lies and fear mongering and we'll chat again over cap and trade. BOOM!!!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 4:02 PM
I'm just curious about something. If this bill is going to be the end all be all as the liberals believe it wil, how come the members of Congress are not willing to be covered by this same bill? Perhaps we could save some money and end the complimentary health care plan they have now (that we pay for anyway) for all politicians. Of course, I'm not saying they shouldn't have a choice but, if they don't care to be covered by this supposedly wonderful plan, they can always pay for their own health ...more
By itsamazing (224), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 1:40 PM
I find it kind of funny that so many people here are supporting a bill (or law now) that you haven't read. Many of the important details have not been released.

From what i see (and that's just on the surface) is that this bill will cost taxpayers money, way too much money. More tax for families over 250k? Are you kidding? I don't make that much, but on LI that isn't a lot of money for a family.

I have insurance now, i hate it, it's too much money for what i get, but this ...more
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 2:58 PM
You hate your health care and you pay too much for it but you oppose a bill that would actually help you? Hmmmm . . .
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 22, 10 4:04 PM
How does it help? Lower premiums? What difference does it make if you save money in premiums but pay twice as much in new taxes, whether from the federal government or unfunded state mandates? Keep government out of it. Open up competition. Have tort reform. The congress has done away with the process. We are now a socialist state under Obama. Let's pass a law, then reconcile and tweak it and pay no attention to the constitution.. It is a bad way to govern. The Congress has also divided the ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 22, 10 4:19 PM
It amazes me how many socialists live in such an affluent area like the Hamptons. It also amazes me how some people actually have faith in the government. The founding fathers were wise to keep it at a minimum, For all of you who support all this government growth, you stand against the founding principles of this great nation. Obama is a Marxist. If you don't believe this, do a little reading on the definition of a Marxist. Pelosi and Reid should be tried for treason. A revolution is coming this ...more
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 7:54 PM
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For you of those on the left enjoy this Obama, Pelosi victory. The November 2010 election will show you who will have the last word.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 22, 10 8:47 PM
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Now that it's a done deal, the wide gulf between us that I referred to above is still there, maybe even wider. A lot of folks are really elated, and a lot are really steamed. In the run-up to the November election, we now may well have that clear-cut, nationwide debate over sharply defined opposing viewpoints that we've never fully had before, because there wasn't a big domestic issue to frame the controversy. Now there is. It will be interesting.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 22, 10 9:12 PM
The wide gulf is between people who understand the founding principles and those who don't. It is liberty vs. socialism. There is nothing to argue. Socialism is a failed system. History has proven that.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 22, 10 9:29 PM
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sell out! you lost vote I guarantee it
By 27dan (2854), south hampton on Mar 22, 10 9:31 PM
Sorry Senator, you sold out. You also organized a town hall meeting a "day late and a dollar short". Today you have missed the boat which means you will loose my families votes.Yes we need health care reform, but not this one. Al Sharpton took off his mask yesterday on the news and revealed Obamas agenda in all its ugly glory. This bill is unconstitutional, PERIOD. Lastly, just want to mention another two recent government interventions. FANNIE MAE & FREDDIE MAC. God Bless America, the voters WILL ...more
By gallerygirl (29), southampton on Mar 22, 10 9:43 PM
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Thank you, finally. For all those insured people, I'm sure you would not be so against this health care bill if you were the ones UNinsured. Having received a wonderful college and postgrad education, I am a full time teacher with no insurance. Only in America. There are others just like me and it is about time something is being done here. Just fathom being sick and not being able to go to a doctor for fear of high medical bills. Countries all over the world have better health care systems than ...more
By bmr5series (1), hamptons on Mar 22, 10 10:15 PM

You are absolutely correct. The loudest voices here are those of the most ignorant. They speak in Glenn Beckisms and tea-party drivel and when faced with the actual facts of this bill they cry socialism. The very same people enjoy social security, medicare, public works, etc. The insurance company's have been stealing Americans blind for generations, yet the far right is more concerned with protecting corporate profits than they are with helping their fellow man. They are ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 8:22 AM
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The insurance companies have to charge more and more because of all the free health care these freeloaders are getting.
How about you peoplefirst do you even have a job or any health care.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 6:19 PM
bmr5series, Thank you for what ? Generations of high taxes based on an unproven idea? Ask Mass. Treasurer about the 'model" of health care for all. They are being bailed out by the Feds.generously. Who will bail the Federal gov. out when we go bankrupt over this health care reform bill? Would you like China to step in so we can pledge our allegiance to them? With the education you have you clearly have made some wrong decisions in life. The U.S owes you nothing! Find a job with benefits if it really ...more
By gallerygirl (29), southampton on Mar 22, 10 10:47 PM
Why should a business be forced to provide health insurance for its' employees or be fined if they don't? This is just another step in the incremental takeover of the private sector by the Marxist in Chief and the Demokrat Party. For those infavor of the bill, please explain how premiums for those who pay our own way will go down when the insurance companies will be FORCED to cover everyone, including those with pre-existing conditions. They will be forced to charge higher rates to stay in business. ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 23, 10 7:03 AM
bmr5series-- Well now you do not have a choice, you will be mandated to buy insurance weather YOU deem you can afford it or not. You are probably making more than the income allowed for credits. So how are you better off.
And to boot, premums are going to rise because of this reform, so good luck.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Change you can get sick to your stomach on!!!!!!!

By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 23, 10 7:59 AM
Say bye--bye Timmy to your seat in November. You are a joke.
By Dayo (33), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 8:43 AM
This bill will not control the cost of healthcare ,but futher shift the cost to the taypayer as we spread around the expenses of the uninsured. The real cost of health care is primarily due to the treatment of chronic conditions, most caused by irresponsible behavior, smoking, drinking, drugging, overeating, lack of exercise, etc. Ironically many of these people are in the pool of the uninsured as well, further escalating the cost which will be incurred by us all. If you really want to fix the ...more
By grimag (38), southampton on Mar 23, 10 11:17 AM
"Bishop has betrayed us" Wrong, he voted the way those of us who voted for him wanted him to vote. "He betrayed his religion" Where do you get off making such a statement? Who gave you the power to determine how this man should think about religion? You far right-wing zealots want the government out of your life. You don't want people telling you what to do, but you are more than happy to tell others how to think or feel about personal issues like religion.

You are worried about ...more
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 11:35 AM
Listen to yourselves, The Real World, reality 101, gallerygirl, kpjc, bigfresh. Just listen to yourselves. You're ranting. You're foaming at mouth. It would be amusing if it weren't so sad. Note, please, I'm not including all the bill's opponents in this category -- I disagree with reg rep and double standard, but they don't spew crazy talk about Socialists and Marxism and "the Demokrat Party" the way you do. Get a grip.
I expect a torrent of abuse to follow this comment, and I'm not likely ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Mar 23, 10 11:22 AM
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Ad grimrag to your list of crazy talkers.
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 11:31 AM
Hey Turkey Bridge, get a dictionary. "Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources."

The Democrats slammed through this legislation with back room deals, kickbacks, and corruption. They circumvented the process and destroyed the constitution.
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 23, 10 11:36 AM
Please explain exactly how "They circumvented the process and destroyed the constitution" and provide direct evidence to back your assertions.

Also, per your definition of socialism, since health care will remain in the ownership of the private sector, please further explain why the health care bill is socialism. You guys like to spew a lot of tea party talking points, but, in the end, you really have absolutely no idea what you're saying. The heads just keep on exploding!
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 12:00 PM
It is not crazy talk to refer to Obama, Pelosi, and Reid as socialists and Marxists. That is what they are. Read up on the definitions.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 11:56 AM
Let's see, the Commander in Chief spoke about "Spreading the wealth around."
Sounds like Marx's saying about from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. That's ourPRESIDENT espousing Marxist ideology!
The Demokrat Party is in favor of more government control of our daily lives. You need look no further than the health care bill just passed to prove that point. Another play out of the Socialist playbook.
We have the right to dissent with the administration and it's ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 23, 10 12:41 PM
OK, this is the FIRST legislation that was ever turned into law without a single opposite party vote, namely, NO republicans on board. Secondly, they circumvented the Senate having the final vote by using the "deemed passed" method. I guess lawful, probably not what the founding fathers wanted. Secondly, they want a "public option" for health care and ultimately a single payer system with the government in charge. I hate to say it, but it is a socialist method. If you think health care will remain ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 23, 10 12:56 PM
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By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 23, 10 12:56 PM
Absolutely the did NOT use "deem and pass" - absolutely false. The bill passed the house in a straight up and down vote and now must be passed by the senate. There is NO public option in the bill, although I hope they will add one, and this bill does not even come close to single payer as insurance remains in the hands of private companies who will receive 30 million NEW CUSTOMERS.

You are so incredibly wrong it is almost unbelievable. You really need to go out and educate yourself immediately. ...more
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 2:20 PM
@Turkey Bridge---its ok that you voted for Obama, but deep down you are realizing you made a big mistake and for justification for not feeling foolish you are defending this outrageous bill and process. You are not alone in your feelings sicne OBUMMER won by majority. So the next election, most of these voters will vote against him but never admit it. ----------------------------------
P.S. --none of you supposed obama supporters ever explained how this bill reduces insurance premiums when ...more
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 23, 10 2:18 PM
If only the bill could reduce ignorance! Well, kpjc, you've lost. As of today health care legislation is the law of the land. Next stop, single payer! Enjoy the view from the sidelines.
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 2:22 PM
It is quite ironic that you use a screen name like "setyoufree", when you apparently have no idea of what being free is.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 2:46 PM
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Your confusing ignorance and fear with freedom. Not quite the same. Sorry. How about addressing the lies that kpjc posted?
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 3:40 PM
Most Americans are not as stupid as many of the posters on this board are. Repeal and conservative normalcy in 2012. We recovered after Carter, we will recover after this.
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Mar 23, 10 2:53 PM
setyoufree: Do you pay for your health insurance, all of it, or do you get it through your workplace and pay a tiny portion of the premium? Just curious since you seem happy that the cost to those who actually pay for it will increase astronomicly. Maybe a better screen name would be igetminefree?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 23, 10 3:01 PM
I own my own business and pay for my own insurance for me and my family OUT OF POCKET and my rates have gone up every single year for the last 8 years nearly doubling and I now pay OUT OF POCKET nearly $15,000.00/year PLUS copay. Thank god that as of today, I will be eligible for tax breaks and might even be able to hire on more employees AND insure them as well.

Typical of you right-wing fascists to jump to ludicrous conclusions about folks you don't even know, but no real surprise. ...more
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Mar 23, 10 3:48 PM
I voted for Obama and now seriously regret it. I was hoping he would move more towards the middle (like a good politician should). The entitlement spending and government encroachment is disturbing. You can be sure myself and anybody with any type of business sense will vote him and the rest of the uber-liberals out of office. Social security, Medicare, and anything the government runs is broken. We still have another 20 years until the last of the babyboomers begin to collect, so what then? ...more
By YEAROUNDER (81), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 3:51 PM
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Free means liberty. The more the government grows, the more liberty we lose. Some Americans want liberty and the principles of the founders and others want handouts and bigger government.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 3:58 PM
My future voting will be totally along partly lines. Something i haven't done in the past. Seeing how the Democrats forced this "road to socialism" bill through the process, I must vote all republican, and will. November is just a start, then it's on to one term NObama.

Just wait to see what they do with immigration, this will be great too. So get ready lefties, your great life that our government has allowed will change for the worse. This is a sad day in American politics.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 4:52 PM
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Yea...you all said that about social security as well.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 5:03 PM
Speak for yourself old man, Social Security was signed in 1935. Most of us were not even born.
Also both parties were in favor of SS, it was not just one sided.
Mar 23, 10 6:10 PM appended by reg rep
Social Security Act was signed into law on August 14, 1935 284 Democrats voted - yes 81 Republicans voted - yes
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 6:10 PM
You need to bone up on your history:

"This is the largest tax bill in history," the Republican leader fumed. The reform "is unjust, unworkable, stupidly drafted and wastefully financed."

And that wasn't all. This "cruel hoax," he said, this "folly" of "bungling and waste," compared poorly to the "much less expensive" and "practical measures" favored by the Republicans.

"We must repeal," the GOP leader argued. "The Republican Party is pledged to do this."

That ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Mar 23, 10 7:14 PM
And look where it is now. Going broke.
By EEG (19), Southampton on Mar 24, 10 10:51 AM
Send some of these freeloaders back to where they came from so that we (the working people) wouldn't have to keep paying for them.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Mar 23, 10 6:21 PM
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I am very disappointed that Mr Bishop would vote against the will of the people. This is un-American and Mr Bishop along with all his morally corrupt political hacks needs to be voted out of office
By lusosarge (1), East Hampton on Mar 23, 10 7:30 PM
Hey "setyoufree" did you really write "Absolutely the did NOT use "deem and pass" - absolutely false. The bill passed the house in a straight up and down vote and now must be passed by the senate....."? I copied and pasted your text because I couldn't believe it. Before you start calling people names, you should get your facts straight. What was passed is NOW LAW.! Obama signed it today. The Senate is getting a reconciliation bill to "fix" the problems with the law. That is the backroom, buying ...more
By The Real World (368), southampton on Mar 23, 10 8:36 PM