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Feb 3, 2010 11:59 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Home in Mastic funded by Southampton Town Section 8 money shut down

Feb 3, 2010 11:59 AM

Mr. Blowes said that he and Ms. Cirincione have been auditing the Section 8 program’s files and are making sure that all vouchers that can be ported have been. Once that audit is complete, the town will most likely farm out the administration of the entire Section 8 program to an outside agency, possibly by the end of this year, he said.

“Before we find another agency to administer the program, we need to make sure that our house is in order,” Mr. Blowes said. “Then we’ll look and reach out for someone to administer on our behalf.”

Despite the town’s plans for the future, and its current audit work, Ms. Browning said that Southampton should have alerted Brookhaven officials about the presence of the family using the vouchers. She said that the family had moved in by the time Brookhaven knew about them, and that Brookhaven officials would have never permitted the family to move into the home because it was in disrepair.

“Why did they move a family to the area when this home was not approved by Brookhaven as a Section 8 home?” Ms. Browning asked. “They moved them in before Brookhaven even inspected it. If Brookhaven inspected it, they would have not allowed them to move there.”

Ms. Browning added that many of the problems at the home were not only due to its poor condition, but also the behavior of the inhabitants. She said that neighbors of the house said that there was drug and possibly gang activity there.

The identity of all people accepting Section 8 vouchers—such as the family formerly residing at the Patchogue Avenue home—must be protected according to Section 8 rules, Ms. Cirincione explained.

All people receiving vouchers are thoroughly screened by the town, Ms. Cirincione said. The screening process includes a criminal records check, income disclosure, family history, and other personal details, she said.

Ms. Browning, exasperated at the poor conditions in her community, lashed out one last time at Southampton Town, and the federal government system in general.

“The people I represent understand that people need somewhere to live,” Ms. Browning said. “But you cannot put every social service program in the same community over and over again.”

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all i have to say is''I TOLD YOU SO''that's just the way it is with many of these people on public assistance.......they appreicate nothing....trashing and abusing everything that society gives them.......from food stamps to housing to whatever other vouchers we give them........pathetic.......my thoughts are to take away the children,put them out on the streets to fend for themselves.....
it's called ''tough love''.............sorry you abusers of sosiety.........that's pretty much how everyone ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 6, 10 1:13 PM
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All an article like this does is encourage the vile "I told you so's" like the poster above. Why focus only on the negative aspects of these programs. As the Press ever run a positive story - because they ARE out there.

To paublgabe1 - you are painting with much too broad a stroke. Let's hope you and your family never need help.

By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 2:16 PM
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Peoplefirst, let me tell you a little thing about needs. I was on the street for 6 months, refused help by every governement branch, because even though I had no where to live, I stll had 2 jobs. And guess what, by making only $15,000 a year, I was making too much money. Yet all these "immigrants" are driving brand new mustangs and escaladers and have houses. I work constantly to just buy the necessities. My positive story is that my husband and his family came along and gave me a place to ...more
By LovedHerTown (132), southampton on Feb 7, 10 4:13 PM
Your anger is misplaced. The "immigrants" have nothing to do with your hardships, but they are the easiest target so people like you lash out at them. Each and every day corporate America and their influence on our politicians do far more to hurt you than any day laborer ever could.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 9:32 AM
Again I am reading an article where Richard Blowes is overseeing something. How much longer is Southampton Town going to pay this man to oversee something. It seems like every time he oversees something it goes by the wayside. I think it is time for Mr. Blowes to go and our tax dollars to be spent better. As far as people abusing property while on Section 8 they take it away from them. You don't really want the help you are just one of those people that think you are entitled to it. Make the ...more
By favaunt (24), Sag Harbor on Feb 6, 10 4:34 PM
We need to see a complete inventory of all properties involved in the out of town Section 8 vouchers issued by the Town and their condition (violations etc.). We also need to know who are the "landlords" (in some cases slumlords) of these properties and is there any connection political or otherwise to any town official involved with these programs. Section 8 has a bad history of providing subsidies for substandard housing on LI no matter what Town handles the program. By the way, you have to drive ...more
By nellie (451), sag harbor on Feb 6, 10 5:37 PM
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Once again someone in Town government putting the blame on a former town employee. If Mr. Blowes is overseeing the adminsitration of the Section 8 program it is HIS responsibility
By HB90 (164), southampton on Feb 6, 10 7:04 PM
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peoplefirst............it's very funny that your response came so fast after i had posted mine....we are having a pre super bowl get together with about 25 people and we were betting or wagering if you will on how fast a ''bleeding heart'',''politically correct ''person would respond......well there you are..........
now we know (and i say this mocking )that all their problems are not of their makings......it's society's fault.......they were abused as a child,grew up in poverty,was a single ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 6, 10 10:29 PM
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You fight back those who are powerless to do anything. If you had any courage you would do something positive with your hatred. Hope you enjoyed your superbowl party.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 9:33 AM
Again in this town someone is blaming someone else.Does ANYONE own up for anything?????
This system DID not work and it was abused.
This is why these type of systems have to be watched and if they are not lets get ride of the people who are suspose to be watching them or do away with them all together.
If you read the artical there was drug traffic and other probles.So now we are supporting drug dealers with tax money. It has to stop
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Feb 6, 10 11:49 PM
Paulgabe....My Gran Dad taught me to "never say never" cause you bever know.

What a wierd party game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By wondering (63), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 7:11 AM
Because you NEVER know.............
By wondering (63), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 7:12 AM
Makes you think. Abuse on a tiny level by scum. What would happen if Gov't healthcare was enacted. Subsidizing and entitlements are the death blow to A Free Society.
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Feb 7, 10 7:40 AM
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really,really like your brief comments.....so short,so simple,so common sense.....things that government will never ''get'',or understand....the pathetic people that they are
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 10:09 AM
whenever I hear words like 'funnel' I look much, much closer.

By nellie (451), sag harbor on Feb 7, 10 7:54 AM
wondering.........read your comments and trying to understand them...........i never said never...i said PROBABLY i won't need help.............and poor society if all us hard working,honest people went on public assistance for every little problem we had.....who would pay the bills???
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 10:14 AM
wondering......weird party game to you.....but not to the successful,hard working people at the gathering......it continues to amaze us how you bleeding heart liberals,politically correct people continue to allow yourselves to be used by these pathetic people......so when we talk about''clueless'' and the ''blind leading the blind''and we need a hard laugh....we post a message similiar to my original posting.....
so i can be more knowledgeable (because knowledge is power)would you mind telling ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 10:33 AM
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Section 8 is a good program, a lot of decent hard working people use it, but clearly it needs closer oversight. I don't understand why people with vouchers from this town can take them elsewhere. Perhaps because it's Federally funded? I'd like the Press to clarify that point.

By goldenrod (505), southampton on Feb 7, 10 2:07 PM
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Basically 'portability' is about the right to better yourself without leaving yourself homeless. And Rights! And the market and job opportunities and housing etc. Very complex but well thought out program that works to help people maintain their independence so they can move on to a better life!
And to all the others naysayers....not you goldenrod who asked a good question?...........
It isn't enough to think you know someone is dealing, or has dealt, or does drugs, or worse sells them, ...more
By maggie (16), East Quogue on Feb 13, 10 5:13 PM
No...not on public assistance...I work hard for money!

Wierd party game.
By wondering (63), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 2:35 PM
goldenrod......it doesn't matter who runs or subsidizes the program.....local,state or the federal government.....it will always not work....because almost all things they become invovled with becomes broken,corrupt,and quite frankly a mess.............hence almost every local and state government in america are very,very broke and in almost insurmontable debt......and let's not mention the feds..........we need less government and more accountability.......for every program,for every dollar spent.......come-on ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 2:46 PM
wondering....very glad that you work hard to provide for yourself........and are not using the system.......good for you.......as far as your insistance that our party game is weird......i can respect your comments on that.......i am sure that you do things that are weird too....at least to my friends and myself.....however we won't judge you on that..........
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 2:53 PM
It takes an abnormally shallow mind to assume that everyone sees reality with a single perspective. The hard-working Luddites above assume that everyone in Section 8 housing is a leech. That's a convenient, self-serving and ignorant view. One hopes that none of them ever develop, for instance, a degenerative disease that consumes their prosperity and compels them to seek social welfare assistance such as Section 8 housing.

If they do, they will, doubtless, rationalize that they are the ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 5:56 PM
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Well said.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 9:35 AM
thank you highhatsize for your very true observations.
The people I have met on section8 would love to be independent .The properties are inspected, and the property owner has to bring everything up to code..
Unfortunately most going jobs pay mimimum wage and rents are at ridiculous levels due to the high cost of houses, and many have no choice.
It is not fair to expect people to move away from their families and friends just when they need help and support in a time of economic downturn ...more
By consciencepoint (16), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 6:56 PM
'highhatsize" and "consciencepoint"
We are talking about this artical. Ther is no way these people should have been getting this money from Southampton WITH OUT being checked on. No one was checking on them.There were problems of drug dealing and God know what else was going on. It was SOMEONES job to check on them and that was NOT being done. If you are hired to do a job DO IT or get ride of the person that should be doing it and GET ONE THAT CAN.
I am getting REAL tired of all these ...more
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 7:20 PM
The comments were NOT all about the article. Many generalized an ignorant perspective of undeserving, lazy and destructive Section 8 clients.

No one will disagree that this particular Section 8 house should have been shut down long ago. It is a question of the allocation of resources, a topic that I address later in the thread.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 8:53 PM
consciencepoint......tell me the absolute truth....how many people on ''the system''do you actually really know..............and how many of them have actualy told you ''they want to be independent''......short of calling you untruthful....i don't buy it...........sorry...
your statement''it's not fair to expect people to move away from their families and friends''when the going gets tough.......that's the point......duhhhhhhhhh....nobody expects them to move away....how ''bout''moving in ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 7:42 PM
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All the money provided to social welfare agencies goes to "services". Those services are provided either by the civil service social workers or by contracted entities. The contract with the Mastic Section 8 house would have been voided earlier if social workers had run regular and rigorous checks. However, there aren't enough social workers to do this. Diverting more of the funding from rent subsidies to social worker salaries would provide a labor force with complete oversight of Section 8 ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 8:22 PM
highhatsize.....well lookie here....we've found yet another hampton elitist,who has it all figured out......only you understand the problems,needs and thoughts of the people....the masses.....society if you will....''kinda a karl marx type.....
your pompous,self-self serving,intellectual babble......your inteligentsia attitude is both boring and makes little sense except to your self....someone who seems to be self absorbed.....you must get over it or risk being called ignorant ...for your ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 8:47 PM
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your anti-intellectual babble is astonishingly shallow
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 9:36 AM

"but social science understands the bad effects these programs have on peoples mentals....." [paulgabe1]

How can one dispute such a cogent argument?


The fact is, paulgabe1, regardless of what you say here, if you become incapable of caring for yourself, the social welfare system, created by people who are your compassionate antithesis, will prevent you from falling ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 9:04 PM
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The system would be wonderful, Highhatsize if it were for people who truly were unable to care for themselves.Many just dont want to work for minimun wage and therefore run to Social Services to pay their way. It has nothing to do with compassion but the regular people who work two jobs just to stay afloat have to watch the young, very able bodied come into a store and use WIC checks or welfare card then pay for non covered items with a hundred dollar bill. I bust my behind to buy food yet when ...more
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Feb 8, 10 1:51 PM
highhatsize..............do i have to beg you...............stop concerning yourself with my well being......and that of my family and friends......we are not like you....we don't think like you.....
i am flattered that you could only pick out one bad quote..... on my long,long posting....the result of typing and watching the super bowl at the same time.....to the readers i apologize for not proof reading my post...........perhaps there is some hope for you....however i am not interested ...more
By paulgabe1 (29), riverhead on Feb 7, 10 9:44 PM
To paulgabe1:

Agreed. Our correspondence is harmful to our characters.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 9:52 PM
Paulgabe...highhatsizes cares...you care about showing off your "intellect" in front of your tough superbowl-party friends...maybe you should stick to game commentaries!
By wondering (63), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 7:20 AM
btw paulgabe is wealthy and comes from a wealthy family....does that shed some light on his attitude?
By rabbit (65), watermill on Feb 8, 10 8:49 AM
As long as he's a taxpayer he's entitled to his opinion. Who care whats in his bank account.
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Feb 8, 10 1:53 PM
The program does much good; however, it is abused because it is not properly supervised and is open to corruption. It also is as much a landlord subsidy as a tenant subsidy. Go to any of those "get rich in real estate" seminars and hear how buying cheap housing and using the Section 8 program will make you rich.
Since the law does not allow for the recipients to be named, how about allowing the names of landlords to be public? You might be surprised to read just who owns multiple Section 8 ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Feb 8, 10 11:01 AM
On the negative side it drives up the cost the rentals by providing an artificial pricing floor; if the program pays $1,500 a month and higher for a rental then virtually every landlord will use that amount as the cost of renting a property regardless of having a Section 8 recipient or not. Thus the non-voucher holder suffers as they have to pay the $1,500 a month or higher without the aide of a subsidy.
The rates are way too high, especially in light of the housing bubble collapse.
The ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Feb 8, 10 11:14 AM
Now I know why LINDA KABOT'S aunt had all those shacks
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Feb 8, 10 12:26 PM
On this issue or porting; I assume this goes both ways so there must be people with vouchers that did not originate in Southampton Town but from other places. How many of this type is in the Town?
By diogenes (57), westhampton on Feb 8, 10 1:29 PM
This sort of thing has been going on for decades in the Mastic-Shirley area and has been referred to as "welfare dumping." I was alway aware of how it worked, but was completely blindsided by the fact that the funding stays with the originating town. Just so I get this straight: Mastic-Shirley gets the Section8 recipients and the lack of stablity/crime that comes with it, while neighboring townships get to keep the gov't money? Sounds fair. And I used to think the people who wrote into the South ...more
By DrEngine (10), Brookhaven on Feb 8, 10 2:02 PM
Confusing isn't it? It seems in this case the money stayed with Southampton Town and even if its "ported" Southampton gets to keep 20% of it.
Another item to note: assuming every $100,000 borrowed equals $600 a month mortgage payment, and with Section 8 paying as much as $2,000 a month, every property selling for less than $300,000 can in theory generate a profit for a landlord. This is one reason why Section 8 clusters in working class neighborhoods, and in the case of Mastics there are plenty ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Feb 8, 10 2:35 PM
Here is an idea "Get a job and do something with your life!" Now the liberal response to that is "There are no jobs." So why then do we have all these illegals running around? The liberal says "They are doing jobs that we don't want to do." To which I reply "I thought there were no jobs."
The govt. keeps taking away from the contributors and handing it out to those who do nothing. Enough already. I work for me and my family. Yes there is a need to help people out who REALLY need help. You see, ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Feb 9, 10 8:02 AM
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EVERY social welfare program has been subverted by some of its clients, including social security. Newsworthy stories focus on the most reprehensible of the recipients that have been uncovered. The fact that the programs provide humane living conditions for 90% + of the clients under the circumstances that are appropriate is simply not news.

Those who criticize the programs as a whole on the basis of individual examples are simply making use of a plausible excuse to justify their meanness.

If ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 28, 10 1:34 AM