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Oct 14, 2009 1:51 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Proposed change to Southampton Village code would allow archers to shoot deer on their property

Oct 14, 2009 1:51 PM

Southampton Village officials are considering a change to the village’s weapons laws to allow residents the opportunity to hunt deer on their land with a bow and arrow.

Mayor Mark Epley began a discussion of the idea at the Village Board’s monthly meeting on Thursday, October 8, suggesting the village allow residents to kill deer to cull the local population. He said deer pose a health threat in the village because they carry ticks and cause car accidents.

To permit hunting, the Village Board would have to adopt changes to the local laws regarding the discharging of weapons. Currently, weapons—including a bow and arrow—cannot be discharged within 500 feet of a dwelling, roadway or building.

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, or DEC, allows property owners to obtain nuisance permits to lawfully shoot deer on properties that are normally not designated for hunting, Mr. Epley explained. The permits allow property owners to shoot deer within a 500-foot radius of their homes if they receive permission from all neighbors within that area.

But the village code is so prohibitive of firing weapons that it makes the nuisance permits useless, Mr. Epley said. Two village property owners have nuisance permits but cannot fire their weapons because of the law.

Mr. Epley said that the village would allow residents to only use bows, not firearms, to shoot the deer, and he pointed out that the villages of Quogue and North Haven allow deer hunting. There have been 175 deer killed in Quogue since the program for hunting began there in October 2007, though there has been some debate over how effective the hunting has been. Some residents have speculated that there are more deer in Quogue now than there were before the hunting began.

According to the DEC website, archery is the only permitted method of hunting deer from October through December. There is a shotgun season in January.

DEC spokesman Bill Fonda said anyone who obtains a nuisance permit also needs to be a hunter licensed with New York State, and the DEC inspects the property of anyone applying for a nuisance permit to ensure that hunting there would be safe.

“It’s not like we’re going to have open deer hunting season in the village,” Mr. Epley said.

Mr. Epley said he attended a DEC seminar on deer management in Southold earlier this year.

When the mayor brought up the idea at Thursday’s public meeting, Trustee Paul Robinson voiced strong opposition. “I don’t think it’s appropriate in the village,” he said. “I’m not going to vote for this.”

Trustee Nancy McGann said she would need more information on deer hunting before she made a decision.

Even so, Mr. Epley explained that property owners and residents have come into Village Hall asking about what they can do to deter deer from their property. He added that deer have also caused numerous car accidents in the village.

Deer hunting would most likely not happen in the densely populated areas of Southampton Village, such as the neighborhood around the hospital. At his own home, the mayor said, he would need permission from at least 20 to 25 of his neighbors before he could shoot a bow and arrow.

Most likely the owners of any farms within the village, and perhaps some residents of the Southampton estate section, would look to secure permits, Mr. Epley explained.

Gary Goleski, the village highway department superintendent, said that other methods of controlling the deer population are costly. Deer sterilization costs nearly $1,000 per animal, he said. Trapping and hiring a sharpshooter also are alternatives.

Affordable Housing

Also at last week’s meeting, the Village Board heard from Southampton architect David Rose, who reviewed his plans for building as many as three affordable homes on Bailey Road.

The board is currently contemplating a zone change for the 1.64-acre parcel on the road, which is currently in a residential zone that requires building lots be nearly an acre in size. The zone change would permit the creation of three building lots at the site, each at just over half an acre.

Mr. Rose, who is donating his services for the project, explained that half-acre lots would fit in well with the existing homes on Bailey Road. Many of the homes on the road are on lots smaller than a half acre, he said. “Seventy percent of the lots are [equal to] or smaller than the properties they’re creating in the subdivision,” Mr. Rose said.

Mr. Rose noted that he has tentatively found contractors who would donate their services to building the homes, a way to save the village money and keep the cost of the homes even lower.

John Bennett, a Southampton attorney representing residents of Bailey Road, spoke out against the plans, explaining that the road is too small to accommodate three more houses. He also demanded that the village complete an environmental impact statement as well as allow him and his clients to comment on it.

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What an incredibly stupid idea.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 9, 09 3:36 PM
This is a joke, right?
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Oct 9, 09 4:34 PM
What dagdavid said.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 9, 09 5:37 PM
By Jane (4), Remsenburg on Oct 9, 09 6:53 PM
Barbaric and stupid.
By Uncle Fester (61), Southampton on Oct 10, 09 12:17 PM
I'd chip in to buy Epley an antler hat.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 10, 09 12:52 PM
I'll buy the deerskin cap and coat.

Mark Epley, feel free to explain what the voice in your head was saying at the time. Do you even remember saying this, or this whole story a joke?

Thanks for making the day amusing, and thanks for opening the door for your ouster.

A very Noble Prize!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 10, 09 1:00 PM
By fdny7318 (60), Water Mill on Oct 10, 09 5:00 PM
You should go live in the city where there are no deer. Get rid of the people who think like you is a much better idea !
By amazinggrace (4), brookhaven on Oct 17, 09 8:26 AM
That's right,
If human did not like deer then move to the city that wat you will know real danger and these human animals can actually kill you where deer are only a defenseless living sentient being that were their home we encroached on.
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 3:13 PM
I have six that live on my lawn.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 10, 09 7:25 PM
And you view this as a good thing or a bad thing?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 11, 09 12:40 AM
They are beautiful and majestic creatures of God and should be protected not destroyed.
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 4:12 PM
If I won the lottery I but the 45 acre land next to my home and call Anthony Marr a wildlife preservationist to help me turn it to a REAL animal loving sanctuary where ALL LIFE is respected and kept harm free. Where people can come and see the wildlife without fear of bullet, or arrow flying thru the air.
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 4:15 PM
It's about time. Bambi lovers need to have a near miss on the highway, or perhaps serious car damage. People DIE out here from deer/car strikes. These Rabbits on Hooves travel in packs, decimate hard worked fields and gardens, and trust me, if you're inadvertantly anywhere near a rutting male while on foot you are in serious danger of being killed.
I'm not too wild about bows and arrows in neighborhoods, unless it's a very experienced archer- those things are just as dangerous as guns in the ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Oct 10, 09 9:47 PM
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I am an avid bow hunter for more than 25 years.i have harvested countless deer. I have the deer professionally processed and make good use of all of it,in fact i have raised my family on venison. deer meat is actually a much healthier alternative to common red meats.In the process i have helped alleviate some potential property damage of many a farmer and homeowner alike.When practiced properly,bow hunting deer is effective at balancing healthy deer numbers and is extremely safe to the surrounding ...more
By splitg2s (2), moriches on Jan 13, 10 5:53 PM
I recently sent you a reply to your post of October 10 if you could please forward it back to me I would appreciate it. thank you
By splitg2s (2), moriches on Jan 13, 10 6:03 PM
What a bunch of knee-jerk bunny-huggers!

I'm not much into the blood sports but in various areas of this Town -- including mine -- it's become an "them vs. us" situation.

Or perhaps DagDavid, PBR. HighHatSize et al, in the alternative, would support the release of some natural predators (cougars and wolves) into the affflicated areas of Shelter Island, Sag Harbor/North Haven, Southampton Village. Quogue, Westhampton Beach and Wildwood Lake!
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 11, 09 12:39 AM
As an arch bunny hugger and vegetarian, I oppose any proposal that allows sentient animals to be killed, period. There is no animal population that cannot be controlled by non-lethal methods. Deer can be trapped, darted, neutered and ID chipped.

I know that we are a predatory species and that it is normal for us to kill other animals to eat or wear or just for fun. Fortunately, until now, local law has prevented this from being done outside my window.

I suggest that the towns ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 11, 09 3:39 AM
Were "alternative methods" viable, they would have already been implemented, not just in Southampton Village, but elsewhere on the East End where the deep population has proved troublesome.

"with the advice of PETA and other animal welfare organizations."

Are you serious? PETA, Animal Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Brigade are all on terrorist watch lists for their activities.

And if, as you state, you are truly a "vegetarian," I can understand your opposition ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 11, 09 6:05 PM
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To Frank Wheeler:

You libel PETA which is not on any terrorist watch list. Ditto for The Humane Society of the United States and the American Humane Association which would be happy to provide information on humane population control. There are many others.

Since it is you and Mayor Epley who are attempting to change the status quo by initiating bow hunting of deer in the village , how am, "I' attempting to, "impose my beliefs on all others". Rather it is you two who think ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 11, 09 9:29 PM
I do not "libel" PETA in the slightest, and you need to take a closer look at Ingrid Newkirk and her crew of zealots.

I never referenced the Humane Society of the United States and/or the American Humane Association, so why have you introduced them here?

Deer are a problem on several different levels -- can you really be ignorant of that?

I don't know Mark Epley, but is it your contention that he all of a sudden decided to introduce this initiative on his own and in a ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 12, 09 12:50 AM
Although I despise Peta I like to ask you to name one person who have died from these so callled ARA "terrorist" compared to how many that died from your terrorist monsters called "sports hunters". Google "Hunting accident and cash" and see how many of their own kind they harvested and even their children as well cozz pappa daddy wanted kids to become future killer for "tradition" but "tradition" then may have been about getting meal but today you all take your camera and video camcorders laugh ...more
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 5:08 PM
Mr. Wheeler, not surprisingly you twist words and resort to infantile name-calling. Predictable.

However, since Mr. Wheeler seems to get off on misrepresenting the words of others, allow me to clarify: I think this is stupid idea not because I am concerned for the deer, but for the innocent neighbor who is put at risk by a stray arrow. Perhaps if I lived next door to Mr. Wheeler I'd feel differently.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 11, 09 11:54 AM
Ahhhhhh! Some wit from DD.

What you huff and puff and indignantly call "infantile name-calling," seems to have resonated with HHS, who freely and happily pleads to not only being a bunny hugger, but "an arch" one at that!

As for your other charges, that of "twisting words" and "misrepresenting the words of others," how now Dag Cow?

And as for "getting off," if you mean holding one's words up to scrutiny, yeah!, that's me.

You stated without amplification, "What ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 11, 09 6:42 PM
Why do you keep mention HH? My comments stand alone and I have neither embraced nor rejected his. I stand by my original statement that this is a stupid idea. A truly stupid idea.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 12, 09 6:44 AM
You are right -- he embraced, without qualification, your root post. His issues are not your issues despite being on the same side of this matter.

Yet you still offer nothing in the way of an alternative, nor offer any example of where I have twisted your words.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 12, 09 7:35 AM
To Frank Wheeler:

You state that PETA is on a terrorist watch list. This is false – and libelous. You equate it with two notional organizations without members in whose names activists commit illegal acts to protect animals, also untrue.

You say that killing is the only effective way of controlling the deer population. Also false. Killing is just the cheapest way. I have already stated the humane alternative.

You state that deer hunting is not a, “blood sport”. False ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 12, 09 2:01 AM
HHS: I have no qualms about standing by my words.

So let's look at yours:

You propose that deer be "trapped, darted, neutered and ID chipped." (ID chipped?!?) In both the NYS DEC meetings I have attended -- how many have you attended? -- state employees have stated that as a long-term solution, this is expensive and ineffective as a method of "control."

As a short-term approach, it utterly fails to address the deep population's danger to vehicular traffic (and therefore ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 12, 09 8:33 AM
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Honestly, there are better ways to control ticks.

Is this the same village that is urbanized to the point where keeping hens has been prohibited for years?

Are we to believe it is suddenly so rural that hunting deer with bows would not be unsafe?

Let's just clear cut and pave over whatever shrubbery is left that is attracting these nuisances and solve the "problem" of unwanted wildlife altogether.

By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Oct 12, 09 12:53 PM
Venison Stew

2 tablespoons vegetable oil
2 pounds venison stew meat
3 onions, chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
1 bay leaf
1/2 teaspoon dried oregano
1 tablespoon salt
3 cups water
7 small potatoes, peeled and quartered
1 pound carrots, cut into 1 inch pieces
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1/4 cup water

In a skillet, deeply brown the meat in oil. Add onions, garlic. ...more
By NSea (10), Southampton on Oct 12, 09 1:58 PM
thanks, ill be sure to cook up a crock next time i illegaly take a fawn down, but you never know...

i might take the legal route and use the truck

git' er' dun!!!!!!!!
By ratboy (17), sousd-hampton on Oct 12, 09 6:54 PM
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
2 pounds BSE bovine spongiform encephalopathy meat
3 onions, chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
1 bay leaf
1/2 teaspoon dried oregano
1 tablespoon salt
3 cups water
7 small potatoes, peeled and quartered
1 pound carrots, cut into 1 inch pieces
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1/4 cup water

In a skillet, deeply brown the BSE bovine spongiform encephalopathy ...more
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 5:40 PM
To Frank Wheeler:

__________________________________________________________ (Insert name of terrorist watch list and security organization that compiled it here

You compound your libel. Your first assertion that PETA was on a terrorist watch list can be ascribed to ignorance and carelessness. Now, though, you have been informed that your claim is false and you, “stand by your word”. Your citations are ALL irrelevant. They are nothing more than complaints by, or catalogues ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 12, 09 2:49 PM
“Blood sport: a sport or contest (as hunting or cockfighting) involving bloodshed”.


By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 13, 09 4:08 AM
And speaking of obfuscation and intellectual dishonesty --

"Sport (2) -- An active pastime; recreation." (American Heritage Dictionary )

Why do you continue to try to portray this initiative as a "blood sport" when it is clearly not a sport at all, but a solution to an identified problem?

We aren't ever going to agree on the PeTA stuff.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 13, 09 9:35 AM
Terrorism is what hunters do not only to innocent non-human animal but to innocent human animals.

Cornell University is a big deer killing people and I am going to make a video to upload to youtube just for them those disgusting killers of the innocent. May they all burn in hell ! Are they friend with Anthony DeNicola the who owns a deer killing company "White Buffalo" and says I quote "Killing deer is like mowing lawn, it has to be done year after year ". Great for those who profit ...more
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 13, 10 8:08 PM
kill em all and let the grinder sort 'em out !
By ratboy (17), sousd-hampton on Oct 12, 09 6:56 PM
Let me know I will kill em all 4 u!!
By jonnyhampton (29), Southampton on Oct 12, 09 9:56 PM
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By jonnyhampton (29), Southampton on Oct 12, 09 9:58 PM
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By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Oct 13, 09 6:33 AM
So in one corner you have your tree-hugging bunny/deer let them be free crowd. And in the other corner, a bunch of supposed "expert" archers, hunters, erradicate-them-all crowd.

The real culprits are the board members who decided that it was ok to raise the tax base by approving every developer's application for building permits without a thought to where the local populace (human or animal) would have to shift to. Now, there is not enough open space left, and we are to have arrows whizzing ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Oct 13, 09 6:35 AM
As it is the mice that are the biggest carriers of deer ticks, can we pass an ordinance
to shoot them with bows too? It would certainly make it all more interesting.......

Exactly what keeps deer in other areas from moving into SH Village, Quogue or N Haven? Are there roadblocks & checkpoints?

Personally, I think we should microchip & sterilize all elected officials in the Town, they have made a much bigger mess than the deer. Excellent recipe NSea, have an almost
identical ...more
By G (342), Southampton on Oct 13, 09 10:03 AM
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Gee, the family dog also carries ticks. We going to declare open season on them next? We can certainly tell from the comments (& mentality) here who the hunters are. Now - think about having them in the yard next door to you! Every year folks are accidentally killed by stupid hunters. Last year a 16 month old CHILD was killed upstate INSIDE HER HOME by such a reckless hunter. Sure, let's allow them closer to our houses. Makes sense to me.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Oct 13, 09 1:51 PM
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I agree with your post. You must consider the attitude of the person holding the weapon as well as the lethality of the weapon itself.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 13, 09 2:26 PM
Just before Thanksgiving a young college student shot dead by bullet when the man mistaken her for a deer, then soon after a women and child hit with a hunters bullet when they too was mistaken for a deer.

There was a dog named Miles hit by bowhunters arrow and died. All he wanted to do was to play in the forest and so do we , without fear for our lives. It's unfair that we cannot enjoy the fall crisp weather and also the winter time is so beautiful but who wants to find blood trails ...more
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 3:56 PM
Really? Do you trust your neighbors to be shooting arrows around your property where your children play? I'm no 'bunny hugger' but there has to be a better way. I'm ashamed this is actually considered a solution in this town.
By LocalTeacher (23), Southampton on Oct 13, 09 6:20 PM
What a public forum of anger and misperception of what other posters are actually saying!

LocalTeacher has focused on the core issue IMO.

Does hunting deer within the Village WITH BOWS AND ARROWS (!!!) make sense?

Come on!

Convince me, and please subtract your ANGER before you post.

Anger poisons.

Mark Epley, you still have not chimed in here.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 13, 09 7:04 PM
Kill the GD deer ! I wish I could kill some on my property to save on my dog food bills .
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Oct 15, 09 10:24 AM
I bow hunt east hampton on county land but would like to hunt private land if I could. Pass it on. I carry proof on me that my record is spotlessly clean. 58 semi retired. Fishliny2@aol.com
By rchamb1203 (8), east northport on Jun 12, 12 7:07 PM
To the anti- hunting contingent: The deer's habitat has been reduced by over development and there numbers are growing exponentially due to no predation, this will lead to an unhealthy population due to reduced forage. The humane thing to do is to allow hunting to thin the herds to reduce pressure on their habitat. Bowhunting is done in close quarters minimizing the potential of a missed shot going too far astray.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Oct 15, 09 2:36 PM
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How many neighbors must take a bow in their rear quarters ? Sue the Mayor and the village.......you can't make this stuff up!!!!! Better than Hollywood
By golfer (7), Southampton on Oct 15, 09 11:07 PM
Why don't we import some mountain lions or wolves to thin the herds? It would be nice to see some predators roaming the countryside.

This problem arose because of overdevelopment and it's spreading rapidly. Keep the woods and drive slowly. Use birth control.
By darwin (47), southampton on Oct 16, 09 12:45 PM
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The deer should be able to roam and the people from Hollywood and Wall Street shot
By jekgbs (35), East Hampton on Oct 16, 09 1:43 PM
How un-Gandhi-like!
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 16, 09 2:37 PM
This from the man who defends the use of Stalin as an avatar. You have no better sense of what Ghandi means than jefkgbs.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 17, 09 11:47 AM
So now can I shoot my neighbor with a bow and arrow?? Yay!
I'll tell the cops "I was aiming that that deer, y'all!!"
(That'll teach him to dump his clippings on my part of the yard...) Yeehaw!
By nemesis (4), Southampton on Oct 16, 09 2:41 PM
How about borrowing the Jacobi's traps and using them for the deer?
By barnbabe (64), westhampton beach on Oct 16, 09 5:55 PM
You're not serious!
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 16, 09 6:39 PM
Although it has taken me awhile to think of it, this discussion is moot. This novel deer-culling method would not be covered by the Village's liability insurance. The increased premium to include it would make it the most expensive of all solutions.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 17, 09 1:59 PM

The only waiver that MIGHT be valid would be a waiver from all the people in the Village releasing it from liability should they be shot by one of the hunters.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Oct 18, 09 11:47 AM
Any of you nay sayers ever see bow hunting for deer up close? The hunter is usually in a tree stand making the angle of the shot virtually up and down. Unless some idiot sprints directly under the tree stand at the precise moment the arrow is released there is no danger of someone getting shot with an arrow. Additionally, if there are people besides the hunter in the area, the deer are going to shy away from the stand. The BMW and Range Rover contingent of soccer moms pose a much more real threat ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Oct 18, 09 4:27 PM
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so now everyone's going to build a tree stand in their yards? ...I am sure this is how it goes upstate...but not gonna happen here
By mjb (14), This Island on Oct 19, 09 11:24 AM
I am an avowed bunny hugger...and I would rather people hunt deer FOR FOOD than support the mass production of meat that is steroid fed where the animals live in filthy living conditions. At least they were able to have a healthy life, and this healthier meat would be better for those that ate it.
By mjb (14), This Island on Oct 19, 09 11:29 AM
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OK, no one dress as a deer for haloween this year.
By nicole (96), Hampton Bays on Oct 19, 09 4:24 PM
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You may actually be SAFER if you do dress up as a deer from the data I've seen on hunting accidents. Given that most hunters take out themselves, I'd be leery about dressing up as a HUNTER.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Oct 20, 09 9:44 AM
bow hunting is much safer than rifle hunting. A bullet can carry more than 1/2 mile, while an arrow carries a few hundred feet, although hunters don't take shots of more than 35 feet. You're not comparing apples and apples when you site statistics on hunting accidents and not include bow hunting.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Oct 20, 09 5:29 PM
Didn't realize Southampton Village had a deer pronlem, not to mention any forested areas. Who is running the insane asylum known as village goverment?
By Walt (292), Southampton on Oct 20, 09 8:25 PM
The main problem will be with homeowners allowing outsiders on their properties to shoot the deer, because I doubt that many village homeowners know how to use a bow, much less hit something.

I have had problems with injured deer coming on to my property to die after being shot poorly by hunters given permission to shoot under my neighbor's nuisance permit. Fortunately for me, I was able to get the permit holder to remove the dead and stinking deer, but by the time he did, they were crawling ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 21, 09 10:17 AM
Why is my comment not showing up? I only put a link up there not the html format. ?
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 3:59 PM
You post and YouTube link are there, higher up in the comment thread. Click "...more" to expand your comment and see the whole thing.
By BOReilly (135), 27east Web Editor on Mar 12, 10 4:16 PM
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By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 5:55 PM
Archery or bowhunting is cruel, barbaric and inaccurate. Why do we still resort to causing so much pain and suffering when today the year 2010 we have the technology to be able to keep healthy number of deer without killing though obviously as I stated before hunting is NOT about long term deer herd reduction because hunting industry need the deer for recreational killing. Just imagine if we use deer birth control how would DNR and state rake the billions of blood money?? How else will they ...more
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 12, 10 6:03 PM
You can bet with my video camera and Canon and soon to get super zoom lense I will capture any animal being shot, wounded, crippled what ever and will expose it to youtube under South Hamptons, East Hamptons, North Haven, Shelter Island, Sag harbor, and so on. It won't be one video it will be a whole lot count on it. You want to turn your town into an ugly blood shed of humans terrorist who takes pleasure destroying life?

We have compassionate choice..USE IT!
By Caroline Thompson (30), Sag harbor on Mar 13, 10 2:53 PM