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May 20, 2016 3:12 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Village Residents Outraged At Possible Picnic Area Driving Limits

May 25, 2016 10:25 AM

Almost 180 people—many of them outraged that the Southampton Village Board would even consider such a move—attended a second public hearing on a plan to limit driving on a popular ocean beach known as the Picnic Area.

Of those who attended Tuesday’s meeting, 15 people addressed the Village Board, and only one spoke in favor of the proposed change. Many restated arguments they had made previously, insisting that the proposed rule, prompted by a recent lawsuit filed by the owners of nearby oceanfront homes, would unfairly limit their access to a 2,000-foot-long section of sand that runs between the village’s western boundary and Road F.

In response to homeowners’ complaints about large numbers of vehicles on that stretch each summer, village officials propose to limit to 175 the number of vehicles that can access the Picnic Area from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. between Memorial Day and Labor Day. 
The Picnic Area is the only stretch of ocean beach in Southampton Town on which people are permitted to drive, with a village permit, in the summer during that time period. In the past, as many as 2,500 permits have been issued, and the number of vehicles permitted at one time was not limited.

If it moves forward with the plan, the village would police the number of vehicles on the beach at the Picnic Area by setting up a single access point at the nearby heliport.

The public hearing—which was held at the Cultural Center because so many people were expected to attend—was left open until a Village Board meeting on June 9, at which point board members plan to review an environmental impact study prior to making a final decision.

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By Hamptonsseashell (359), on May 20, 16 5:02 PM
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Everyone , and I mean EVERYONE who cares about our beach access rights should attend this vital meeting and let the Village Board and Mayor what you think about this plan!! JOIN SABA TODAY
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 20, 16 5:21 PM
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Chip, chip, chip...
More laws - more chances to regulate our lives.
By sag2harbor (117), sag harbor on May 20, 16 10:42 PM
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Will be there May 24, at 5pm at the Cultural center for this VERY IMPORTANT meeting!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 21, 16 8:08 AM
SABA needs an attorney to help fight the homeowners suing and the Village Board who are basically giving away public access to one of the most relaxing and enjoyable spots left for locals to enjoy. People who go to the "picnic area" respect it, unlike the surf instructors who speed, pick up clients daily for lessons at the helipad that have nothing to do with the "private" lessons being given in front of the homeowner who is suing oh......and they fail to mention that one of the more popular surf ...more
By rjhdad (73), southampton on May 22, 16 1:38 PM
Someone like Evelyn Konrad would be a GREAT attorney for this....wonder is she works pro-bono

Missing Tim so much !
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 22, 16 5:19 PM
PUBLIC HEARING MAY 24th @ 5pm at the SH CULTURAL CENTER! SEE U THERE!!!!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 23, 16 8:14 AM
No concessions - - - PERIOD. What isn't broken doesn't need fixing. And take down that bloody gate!!
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 23, 16 10:14 AM
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A gate was erected already, before any changes to existing 4x4 access have been made?

Pretty weird if so. pre-emptive gating?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on May 26, 16 1:40 PM
PUBLIC HEARING TODAY AT 5PM AT THE SOUTHAMPTON CULTURAL CENTER!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 24, 16 7:41 AM
The meeting last night had more residents in attendance than the first one. Ms Strunk , attorney for the Araskogs read a letter from her clients directed to the Bord in which she continued her blatant lies, misinformation and downright hostility towards the beach goers. They claim that they didn't know how beach use would grow and become an issue for themselves, here's a news flash for you, bringing the surf school down there 7 days a week is one of the reasons for the increase !!! The photo on ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 25, 16 6:12 AM
You are correct on the surf camp causing the increase in vehicles on the beach!! The largest spike in beach stickers sold was the year the surf camp was allowed to legally operate ...an increase of just over 250 stickers !! The second largest spike in stickers sold was due to the first lawsuit an SABA forming . Sadly these homeowners cut their noses off to spite there faces .

They also dont want to share the beach with us!! I politely asked the Arasakog group one day if they were staying ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 25, 16 8:19 AM
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She (Kathy) did that to my wife and I one time also...c**kblocked my truck by double parking in front of us (which is what she is suing about) with her and her friend's truck. Then came over to us and forced us to say we were ok with it...she is never going to be able to go to any beach in SH again. BANNED
By GO HOME (7), Southampton on May 25, 16 10:04 AM
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The beachfront property owners over there own up to the "crest of the dune". They do not own the beach. As residents they like us, are free to purchase an outerbeach permit, drive to there favorite spot and park to enjoy the ocean. The real fight is not about access but about money. Just a few doors to the east homes sell for much more, however they purchased knowing full well, that they received a discount due to the more pen public use. This was fully disclosed via signage and vehicles even if ...more
By North Sea Citizen (568), North Sea on May 25, 16 6:35 AM
They bought that house specifically so they could surf...that's the real joke here. She drives from the house and to lineup every time on the beach with her Jeep. It's hilarious....
By GO HOME (7), Southampton on May 25, 16 10:09 AM
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Seriously - People buying beachfront do not want people to use "their" beach - It is laughable... We owned beachfront in Sea Cliff and understood that the property only extended to the high tide high water mark - so people could walk there anytime. On Shinnecock Bay I walked on a point in front of someone's house and they ran out and asked me to leave - meanwhile my dog was rooting around in the barbecued food they buried in their fire pit from the night before - as I called the dog to follow me ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jun 3, 16 4:06 PM
Next Public Hearing on this matter will be on June 9 !! Mark your calendars and lets get even more ppl at this next meeting! Strength comes in numbers! We MUST keep fighting for our rights.

GREAT JOB TO ALL WHO SPOKE LAST NIGHT!!!! TY
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 25, 16 7:36 AM
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Note to the Village Board:

If you enable antisocial arrivistes, you encourage like behavior by their kind.

The only acceptable course for the protection of residents' access rights is for the village to hire expert counsel and defend the lawsuit to its conclusion - - - without the slightest concession. Litigating to a judicial decision will be cheaper in the long run as it will dissuade others from initiating similar actions. For an added bonus, prospective real estate purchasers ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 25, 16 11:17 AM
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Maybe the locals should start taking pics of the homeowners who are suing being that they violate the rules more so than the locals............
By rjhdad (73), southampton on May 25, 16 12:28 PM
Couldn't hurt.
By Hamptonsseashell (359), on May 25, 16 1:17 PM
SOOO do as I say and NOT as I do...
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jun 3, 16 4:08 PM
Way isn't the village board listening to the majority? Am I missing something?
Or is this "the process" that issues like this must go through? Why are they so quick to compromise?? Would someone please explain this to me. Appreciate it.
By Hamptonsseashell (359), on May 25, 16 1:21 PM

By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jun 3, 16 4:12 PM
The answer can be found in George Orwell's book '1984' - "Some people are MORE equal than others..."
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jun 3, 16 4:13 PM
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Life's a beach, and so is karma...
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on May 25, 16 3:49 PM
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It boggles the mind that the Araskogs claim to be "ative members of the community", yet are trying to disenfranchise that same community by trying to sue us off the beach. if successful they will have quite the legacy to live down, certainly welcomed with open arms when surfing! Wait, let me be more accurate, when getting PUSHED INTO WAVES BY THEIR EMPLOYEES!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 25, 16 5:35 PM
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The Village gives out the 4x4 stickers for free to all town and village residents, i heard this year so far they have handed out well over 1300 stickers, now prior to a what will be a very beach season they decide to limit the cars on the beach to 175 and think that making an additional 75 parking spots at Road G will ease the blow.........they just made the situation worse, great decision by our elected officails
By rjhdad (73), southampton on May 26, 16 7:55 AM
where will trucks queue up to wait to get onto the beach. if the 'beach parking lot' reaches the 175 truck capacity, wont people who want to drive on just wait in a line until someone leaves?

seems like it could turn meadow lane into a line of trucks waiting to drive on.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on May 26, 16 1:13 PM
Thats most likely what will happen !!! Shinnecock East no longer allows campers to check in on the weekends bc the homeowners complained about the campers lined on Meadow Lane.
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 27, 16 7:00 AM
"beach parking lot"? Hmmmmmmm same phraseology used by the Araskog's attorney, I smell a skunk!!!!!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 26, 16 7:31 PM
the beach is being used as a parking lot dude....that's what we want and that's what we love.

if you dont like it move somewhere else!!!!!!!!!!
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on May 27, 16 7:39 AM
An obvious shill for the Araskogs, or the illegal"private" surf lessons given there 7 day a week.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 28, 16 7:18 AM
Cruised down there tonight after work.

The lot is mostly complete, with air stations on the east side. It's a far cry from the little parking lot we all will now remember. And of course, a couple of Norsic privies are on site. Looks soft where the stone meets the sand.

Oh, and you can't miss the house to the west of the lot...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 26, 16 8:24 PM
Can you guess where the sand from the back parking lot went when they destroyed the dunes to enlarge the lot........

heres a hint....it was relocated to the West....
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 27, 16 7:02 AM
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Beautiful day on the beach today! BBQ fired up, good time with old friends.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 28, 16 4:59 PM
Great day at the beach yesterday! No sign of the Araskogs!!! And nobody seemed to want to park in front of their "surf inspired " estate.

Would be WISE for the Village to Post a WARNING SOFT SAND sign where the ugly parking lot stones meet the sand.....
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 30, 16 8:42 AM
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"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."
By Hamptonsseashell (359), on May 30, 16 10:22 AM
To judge by the construction going on at the site, the trustees have already caved in to the Araskogs, even in the absence of a formal vote. As a non-resident, I haven't the privilege of voting in the village. However, for those who DO - - -

Remember this supine capitulation!

At the next election, vote for anyone-but-the-above - - - in particular, vote for those who pledge to reverse this unconscionable betrayal.

Residents' vehicles - - - without limit - - - have had ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 30, 16 3:17 PM
Well I, along with many people, fully support the Trustees. Its NOT THEIR fault this has happened!!

Have u read and signed the Petition to reinstate the Trustees. You can find this PETITION at Southampton beach.org

Thank you!!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 31, 16 7:25 AM
to toes in the water:

You have confused the TOWN trustees, who, as you note, have nothing to do with this case, with the VILLAGE trustees, who are wholly responsible for its prosecution (or lack thereof.)

I would assume that the great majority of Southampton Town residents support the town trustees, the only political body that repeatedly stood against the despoliation of our environment by antisocial parvenus, until one of the latter succeeded in gelding them.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 31, 16 8:07 AM
Thank you HH for the polite an kind clarification. Clearly I misunderstood your comment.
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 31, 16 8:49 AM
Surfers please go to Flying Point - surf is better there anyway - Or better yet Montauk - really good surf out that way....
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jun 3, 16 3:56 PM
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now THAT'S funny! One way to reduce the amount of vehicles on the beach in front of the Araskog house would be to enforce the Village ordinance regarding the prohibition of commercial activity on all beaches. Surely they would be in favor of that. What say you?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 3, 16 4:13 PM
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For the sake of the beaches, no one should be driving or parking on them
By SA789 (3), Southampton on Jun 3, 16 8:06 PM
Dongan Patent

UMAPA

LIBBA
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jun 4, 16 7:51 AM
Next meeting June 16 !!!!! All those who value their traditional 4x4 access need to attend and let your voices be heard----again. Raise the issue of increased traffic due to "private" surf lessons and the illegality of commercial activity on the beach. Raise the issue of the plaintiff's beach driving. Be respectful of all involved but demand answers to your questions,
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 4, 16 9:35 AM
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MEETING IS TOMORROW JUNE 9 at 6:00 PM, cultural center.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 8, 16 4:23 PM
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By Hamptonsseashell (359), on Jun 8, 16 5:22 PM
Does it never end!? Now, our fearless leader, Jay Schneiderman, is "considering" giving Tuckahoe Road away to the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club so that its members aren't annoyed by having the hoi polloi LOOK AT THEM while they are on the links. (Vide "Southampton Town Officials Meet With Michael Bloomberg About Rerouting Tuckahoe Road" by Alyssa Melillo [June 15, 2016].)

This is madness. It's a story that rivals tabloid reports of the irrational behavior of self-entitled Hollywood stars. ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 15, 16 2:46 PM