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Apr 30, 2013 2:34 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Civil Rights Activist Bob Zellner Arrested In North Carolina For Protesting Voting Law

Apr 30, 2013 2:34 PM

Nowhere close to retiring as a civil rights activist, Southampton resident Bob Zellner, 74, has again been arrested for non-violent civil disobedience.

On Monday Mr. Zellner, a longtime civil rights activist, joined the North Carolina National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in protest of bills being considered in North Carolina that they say would restrict voting rights, particularly among low-income and minority voters. The group met outside the North Carolina General Assembly in Raleigh Monday afternoon before the Senate’s evening session considered the legislation. Reportedly, 17 protesters were arrested out of a group of 50.

Last week, the House passed a Republican-supported bill that would require voters to show photo identification at the polls beginning in 2016, which would “guarantee that no registered voter is denied the right to vote at an approved polling site; and to prevent the unauthorized use of a registered voter’s voting privilege through the fraudulent misuse of a registered voter’s identity.” While Republicans reportedly say the bill will prevent voter fraud, Democrats and civil rights groups argue that it will suppress turnout among those less likely to have ID.

The bill is now headed to the Republican-led Senate. Other bills, which have not yet been debated, have cropped up in the House that would restrict early voting, Sunday voting and same-day registration. Other issues have been stirring up opposition in the state—cuts to Medicaid, unemployment benefits and funding to public education, for example.

Mr. Zellner said these actions would negatively affect African-Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians, low-income earners and students, and are regressive actions in an otherwise progressive state. Furthermore, members of the NAACP have reportedly said the voter ID legislation is comparable to a poll tax because it would force voters to purchase a photo ID.

“The frustration is so high here in North Carolina,” he said before the protest on Monday, adding that the state has been the most progressive of the southern states in education. “The most important thing going on in the country is in North Carolina,” he said. “That’s why I came here when I retired from Long Island University.” Mr. Zellner is a retired history professor who has homes in both North Carolina and Southampton.

Mr. Zellner said it was his intention to be arrested along with the other protesters.

“We will remain in jail as long as necessary to make the point that a small ultra right minority should not impoverish and embarrass a previously progressive state,” he said. “In the nonviolent direct action process this will always lead to civil disobedience in the tradition of Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and Dr. [Martin Luther King Jr.].”

From the time he was 22, Mr. Zellner has been an active civil rights activist. He began his activism as a Freedom Rider in 1961 as the SNCC’s field secretary, traveling from Atlanta to Albany, Georgia, to test two U.S. Supreme Court decisions that outlawed the segregation of interstate travel facilities. He was jailed, just one of his 18 arrests throughout seven states.

He said his newest arrest is old hat.

“This is what we do … we focus on expanding freedom rather than restricting freedom,” he said. “I’m just a small cog in a big machine. Right now this is the most important story in civil rights.”

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Bob Zellner is a profile in courage and a true American hero.
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Apr 30, 13 6:43 PM
Thank you Bob!!

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 30, 13 7:17 PM
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Southern states have had a problem with voters voting numerous times. Illegal aliens have been caught voting illegally. Why is it a problem to ask for I D to vote?
Bob Zellner thinks getting an ID is a tax? Having ID is a law! There is a lot of things wrong with this world, and this isn't even in the top twenty
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 30, 13 8:13 PM
"Having ID is a law"???
Just once, back up the drivel you post. There is NO law that requires anyone in this country to carry any kind of ID for identification purposes.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 1, 13 12:47 AM
What a load. We need ID for everything else, particularly rights and privileges that come from the government: driving, SS, various licenses(real estate, barbers, etc). You also need to produce government ID to get on a plane (but not a train?) and to enter a midtown office building. Intrusive? Restrictive? Perhaps, but there is some underlying common sense, and a public safety element to it.
Just letting anybody show up at the polls, putting down any name they want, is a massive open door ...more
By smacw (240), New York on May 14, 13 9:19 AM
PS Zellner is a fraud and a crank. I don't buy his story, which puts him at every major civil rights event of the last 60 years. A regular civil rights Forrest Gump.
He does however show up at every Native american rally regarding land disputes with developers. I wonder when he will be turning the deed to his home back to the Shinnecocks? just askin...
By smacw (240), New York on May 14, 13 9:23 AM
That's right limit one citizen to one vote. ID'S are free for anyone who can't afford them. What's the problem? Phil as usual you sound like a fool sticking up for people who want special rights. Do you hear any hard working honest people against this law. Phil you need a job and a reality check.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 30, 13 8:33 PM
to chief1:

Voter fraud is statistically insignificant. Requiring photo IDs is nothing but a despicable Republican plot to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters.

The article, "Five Myths About Voter Fraud" by Judith Browne Dianis in The Washington Post, succinctly skewers Republican duplicity.

Yes, there are a lot of things wrong with this world, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore attempts to make it WORSE.

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 30, 13 8:40 PM
What a swarm of comments!

What happened, did they fumigate the other crowded threads?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 30, 13 10:11 PM
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Bob has a point, "it will suppress turnout among those less likely to have ID" meaning those without a driver's license or passport, both of which are expensive and not everybody has them or needs them. The urban poor come to mind, along with non-drivers and people with certain visual or physical disabilities who can't drive. When you think about it, the list of those without government accepted identification documents could be very long.

Requiring ID brings us a step closer to required ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Apr 30, 13 11:59 PM
Bobs argument is ridiculous, because states that require ID for voting give the ID for free to the poor. Most disabled people have a picture ID so they can be identified if they are injured or lost. These so called urban poor needed ID for Medicaid, and welfare so why such a problem now? How do people buy Alcohol and cigarettes without photo ID? The democrats have been caught bussing people from town to town voting in elections illegally so why is asking for ID unfair? Something is wrong when you ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 1, 13 8:59 AM
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Chief, how about a link on that busing thing? And a link for the law that requires people to have ID?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 1, 13 9:51 PM
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Thank you, Bob! The teabagging morons on this site would eat the poor and disencfranchise everyone but rich, white voters - litte do chief and captn crunch realize that idiots like them would be the first to be subjugated.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 1, 13 12:46 PM
The Republican arguments for photo ID laws herein proposed are ALL based on ignorance or deceit, as the most cursory of research would show, to wit;

1) Voter fraud is a problem. - - - No, it's virtually nonexistent.

2) Illegals are voting - - - No, they aren't.

3) Minorities aren't discriminated against - - - Yes, they are.

4) Photo IDs are free - - - No, they aren't.

5) Voter IDs save the states money - - - No, they don't.

There is only ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 1, 13 12:49 PM
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Didn't "Anonymous" put the brakes on Karl Rove recently?

You're all being distracted from the real potential for fraud.

Seems to me some servers unwarrantedly "went down" during the '04 election...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 2, 13 2:01 AM
Please explain how having a free ID is a tax. One needs an ID to open a bank account, get an EBT card, get a library card, get on a plane, rent a hotel room , receive taxpayer provided services and the list goes on. It's disengenious to claim that showing proof of who you are in order to vote will suppress ones ability to vote.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 2, 13 6:55 AM
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The reason the able body poor are poor is because we give them free food, medical, free housing, and a whole host of other things. If a person can't make the effort to get an ID maybe the lack of effort is why this person is in a bad position. Mr Zellner also thinks he represents Latinos in his fight when ironically they want ID so they can work, and drive. My favorite part of the article is how he classifies gays and students in the same light as minorities. Firstly I have never met or heard of ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 2, 13 7:48 AM
I am constantly surprised by how little people know, and that they have no inkling that they know so little.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on May 2, 13 12:27 PM
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I am constantly surprised how generation after generation of certain people have multiple kids and no jobs. I am surprised that we have generation after generation on public assistance. How do foreigners come to this country with a sixth grade education and are instantly employed? Its called determination and hard work not excuses for laziness and stupidity.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 2, 13 3:29 PM
Chief, Dislodget that teabag from your throat and swallow some truth - you are an idiot.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 2, 13 4:14 PM
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Chief,
Perhaps you missed it above. Can you be so kind as to post a link to the law that requires people to carry IDs? And one for the democrats busing people from polling place to polling place? Thanks.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 2, 13 4:01 PM
Perhaps you should research Columbus Ohio and illegal Somali voters.
You need ID to get a job, or social services so what's the problem? Phil, Blank, and the Witch need a reality check on people who defraud this country.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 3, 13 3:57 PM
Perhaps YOU should post a link.
Again, where is there LAW that requires one to carry ID as you claimed above?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 3, 13 4:34 PM
Found it, did you? That story was complete horse puke. It didn't happen. Those Somali's were American citizens. Do some research.
Once again Chief is proven to fabricate his postings.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 3, 13 4:39 PM
It really gets better. Please follow Chief's advice and research ""Somali voters in Columbus Ohio. He has provided a way to see how easy it is to fool those wanting to be fooled.
And at the same time, you will see how very foolish and misguided Chief is.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 3, 13 5:37 PM
Hey blank why don't you do a little more research instead of reading liberal commentators and reporters. The Somali voters did not speak any English and were bused by Democratic groups. the Democratic group also provided free translators, and poll workers said that they were told to vote for Obama. Blank you are a fool.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 4, 13 9:06 AM
I challenge you to post a single credible link that shows ANY of what you said it true.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 4, 13 10:10 AM
You seem to have an obsession with tea bags Witch, nice of you to bring your personal life to this board! I bet you're quite popular.
Back on topic, please, someone from the left side of this issue explain how having a photo ID, when they're available for FREE, is a tax?! An ID is required to get an EBT card, government benefits, section 8 housing ad nauseum, no hinderance to the recipients is there? Why is there a problem with voting?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 3, 13 7:00 AM
Maybe you should get a job phil and get off the govt teet.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 3, 13 3:50 PM
Since there is NO problem with individuals registering fraudulently as voters, what is the point of making voters obtain photo IDs? It's a complete non-sequitur.

However, if one understands that photo IDs have been shown to decrease voting by groups known to vote Democratic, the purpose is clear.

Rather than passing a law requiring photo IDs, we should increase the punishment imposed on those found guilty of manipulating vote totals (which IS a problem.) If we required that ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 4, 13 12:37 AM
IT'S ALIVE!!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 4, 13 4:01 AM
When a voter goes to vote, they should produce a photo ID that has their photo and name on it. How hard a concept is this to comprehend? For that miniscule portion of registered voters that have no ID, one shall be provided free of charge. Next topic please!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 4, 13 7:40 AM
to bigfresh:

Quote:
"When a voter goes to vote, they should produce a photo ID that has their photo and name on it."

- or - they should sing, "The Star Spangled Banner", - or - do an Elvis impersonation - or - complete at least six pull-ups - or - tap dance!
May 4, 13 12:14 PM appended by highhatsize
Better still - - - they should touch their toes without bending their knees. (That should disqualify about 75% of Republicans.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 4, 13 12:14 PM
Sounds like you're on the way to getting another DIWI there HIGH hat size. Your post makes less sense than your usual drivel. What's the harm in proving identity before voting? Voting is a right for US citizens and showing proof that the voter is who they say they are protects that right.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 4, 13 12:31 PM
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This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states. ◦ California: 49,000
◦ Florida: 30,000
◦ Texas: 28,500
◦ Michigan: 25,000
◦ Illinois: 24,000
I say a license to vote, and a license to own a gun. With all the threats we have in this country why shouldn't everyone had a photo ID?
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 4, 13 3:17 PM
"license to vote"

"license to carry a gun"?

Then there is that pesky little document called the US Constitution to deal with.

One more time, Chief, a link with credibility that shows what you claim above. Thanks!
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 5, 13 5:21 PM
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And by the way, of these dead people who are still on the voter rolls, any evidence that a vote was cast in their name? If a person died today, how would Board of Elections know that? In the same vein, if I choose not to vote, I would not be dropped from the rolls for several years.
Make a connection Chief!
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 6, 13 1:14 PM
HMMMM , Black Panthers carrying billy clubs intimidating white voters in Philly is OK with the leftists but trained volunteers monitoring polling places is somehow wrong.
Still waiting for an answer as to how a photo ID is a poll tax if the ID is given free of charge .
Save the Huffington Puffington talking points and try to come up with a logical answer, thanks.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 5, 13 6:55 AM
Your explaination made no sense there Phil. A free ID is not a tax , if you thought for yourself instead of relying on the liberal media for ALL your info you would see that.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 6, 13 5:22 PM
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Alec Baldwin's 'Orphans' a Flop, Will Close Six Weeks Early the people have voted
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 6, 13 10:40 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 6, 13 10:48 PM
Looking at the bickering, I'd be tempted to ask when the Golden Wedding Anniversary is...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 6, 13 9:18 PM
Sorry Phil, your logic doesn't hold water. In this day and age there isn't much anyone can do without a photo ID, Except vote! No way to determine if the voter is registered, a citizen or even the person they claim to be. Crazy stuff. Voting is a right, on that there is no debate,but one must be a citizen to have that right,where's the harm in proving citizenship by getting an ID? It's not an obstacle, it's a guarantee that our right to vote is being protected. The only ones making an issue about ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 7, 13 6:40 AM
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Hows this for a vote to remember,

*SANFORD [R] 54%

COLBERT [D] 45%
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 7, 13 10:25 PM
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to bigfresh & Captn America:

Your arguments ignore the fact there there is NO problem with ineligible individuals trying to vote. Were this the case, there would be a principled reason for trying to impose photo ID requirements. Even then, one would still have to weigh the benefit of deterring fraudulent voting against the onus of deterring legitimate voters from registering. However, as I have said, there is NO evidence that such a problem exists. If you can find some, please post ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 7, 13 4:37 PM
Nice
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 8, 13 8:56 AM
Goodnight all I am going to bed early tomorrow is the big day!
I even took off work so
I can watch the coverage.

Republican lawmakers hounding the Obama administration for months over unanswered questions on the Benghazi attack will have their moment, on Wednesday, to demonstrate whether the internal response amounted to a cover-up -- as whistle-blowers give long-awaited testimony expected to challenge the White House's version of events.

Two of the whistle-blowers' opening ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 7, 13 10:17 PM
Do not get your hopes up only a fool would think the media would ever hold BHO accountable for anything.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 7, 13 11:31 PM
How would showing an ID deter minorities from excercising their right to vote? The poor need ID to obtain welfare benefits, no ID no Foodstamp EBT card, no section 8 housing, no medicaid no nothing! No cries of discrimination or disenfranchisement when there's freestuff to be had! Your argument is specious HH and begs the question why do you want to allow anyone at all to vote without proof of anything but a pulse?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 8, 13 6:31 AM
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What coverage CNN has not said a word about it all morning it is a media blackout so far. Just FOX as been talking about it all morning. CNNs web page does not have a word about it ??? Nothing not a word even in the politics section... Are they for real. The Times as one page 7 story from yesterday quoting former ambassador Bolten saying this could potently bring down this administration and CNN does not have ANY coverage as of 11:37 this morning ??? WTF... This Amanda Berry thing was interesting ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 8, 13 11:43 AM
I know better than to wade in on this - but you can't put the blame entirely on the media. The goal of media companies is to make $$ - they make $$ by appealing to their audience. I read that the guy who rescued Amanda Berry was the #1 trending topic on Twitter since the story broke - beating out Bengazi and Mother's day. Clearly the people (i.e. general public) are more interested in amusing interviews with a colorful black man (no pun intended) than understanding the alleged injustices which ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 8, 13 12:13 PM
Hey Joe 'WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?'
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 8, 13 12:59 PM
And, Nature, you think Bumper Car comments are annoying?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 8, 13 1:00 PM
repitition is annoying. What these people debate about for months on end is, well, nasueating.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 8, 13 1:11 PM
Annoying to the point of repitition and nasueation!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 8, 13 1:29 PM
You don't get to 5024 comments because you are articulate and original with you commentary
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 8, 13 2:27 PM
to Captn America:

Lost in the welter of statistics which you post about folks' OPINIONS about photo ids is any reference whatsoever to instances of actual voter fraud, the reason being that they are virtually nonexistent.

Clearly, our opposite political philosophies determine our perspectives herein. As a Liberal, I am most anxious that every citizen's constitutional rights are preserved. As a conservative Republican, you don't mind extinguishing some other citizen's rights as ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 8, 13 12:03 PM
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'WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?'
Shock testimony from Benghazi witnesses...
Moment-by-moment account of attack...
Emotional recollection of murders...
CONGRESSMAN: 'Death is part of life'...
DEM BLAMES BUDGET CUTS!!!!
Another vows to 'protect' others at State Department...
Fourth whistleblower blocked from testifying...
Witness told not to meet with Congressional investigators...
White House claims 'attempts to politicize'...
'Operation Smear' already underway...
Bolton: ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 8, 13 6:26 PM
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Remember when Phil said , "There is nothing there.
Manufactured outrage by the right "
By philathome, Southampton on May 8, 13 5:50 Am
If you watched TV today and did not have on Fox you would not know about BENGHAZI GATE! Like Nature and Joe said, CNN also wanted to pretend there was nothing to the story and expected us to watch 12 hours of a historical seemingly drunk neighbor give his opinion of the three Spanish kidnappers.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 8, 13 6:37 PM
Who gave order to stand down? Who gave orders to relieve Gen Ham and the Admiral from thier Commands?

By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 8, 13 7:04 PM
Good to see Phil still spewing the same garbage and double posting to boot.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 8, 13 9:27 PM
Resistance causes persistence . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 9, 13 3:29 AM
All of that and he never bothered to even try to answer my question,

Who gave order to stand down? Who gave orders to relieve Gen Ham and the Admiral from their Commands?

By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 8, 13 9:41 PM
The way I see it there were six key points from today's Benghazi hearing

1. Two "stand-down" orders were given while the Benghazi attacks were in progress.

2. The "protest" about a You Tube video was a complete fabrication by the Obama administration.

3. Cheryl Mills, Clinton's lawyer at the State Department, told witnesses not to speak to House investigators.

4. The diplomatic personnel on the ground acted with incredible, unheralded heroism.

5. Democrats ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 9, 13 12:03 AM
Well, that's the end of this thread. The East End Republican Onanists have hijacked another one so that they can stand around stroking themselves and each other with comically partisan, specious fables about President Obama. When will they get over the fact that last November the American people decisively rejected their bloodless leader and his mean, predatory ideology?

I don't begrudge anyone his private pleasures, but for the sake of any little children who might read these posts, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 9, 13 8:45 AM
... And you proved to all of us how concerned you are about the children with your opinions during the Jay Sears thread.

Further more...

I'm sorry wasn't it you and you liberal brethren who were running around the Hampton's for eight years with your Dissent is patriotic bumper stickers
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 9, 13 10:04 AM
to joe hampton:

At least the topic of the Jay Sears thread would have forewarned parents to prevent their little children from reading the article. Herein, little children seeking enlightenment about an innocuous voting rights debate find themselves confronted with another congress of self-gratifying Republicans.

By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 9, 13 12:05 PM
you have some nerve, you are the biggest abortion advocate I have ever meet and you stand here and try and say you have feelings for children. what a twisted mind set.

It seems to me the people on this site want there second amendment rights to protect there children and family's and you know that to be true in your hypocritical hart, (if you have any left) so save you double speak for people who will buy it. maybe your captive audience in the class room. if you really are a teacher.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 9, 13 3:59 PM
Erin, see you joined your male teabaggers in posting complete bs. Firstly, no one is an "abortion advocate"! We are pro-choice advocates. Secondly, learning the difference between "there" and "their" might lend you just a modicum of credibility.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 9, 13 4:37 PM
I agree with you.the choice is about caring for a baby or selfishly pretending that killing your child is somehow ok, after all you have a life to get on with.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 9, 13 6:53 PM
Highhat, You act as if Benghazi does not matter?

We have separation of powers between the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government for checks and balance. Left unchecked any branch of our government could run amok. The executive branch did not give the American people a credible account of what happened in Benghazi on 9/11/2012 and why four of our citizens, including the Ambassador were killed. It is the obligation of congress to hold the executive branch accountable.

Now ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 9, 13 10:27 AM
27dan, you have FOX news coming out of your ears! Under George W. Bush there were 30 embassy attacks. That's right, 30 embassy attacks and they resulted in 13 deaths.

Again, 30 embassy attacks resulting in 13 deaths and you know how many hearings they had? Three. 3 lousy hearings.

If you think this Benghazi bs is about anything other than politics, you are incapable of critical thought.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 9, 13 4:37 PM
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chief1/philathome/blank! --

You wandered over to the girls locker room last night. Please come back.

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Westhampton-Beach-Surrounding-Areas/4569/Westhampton-Beach-Middle-School-Teacher-Pleads-Not-Guilty-In-Riverhead-Court#comment86316
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 10, 13 5:56 AM
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On what basis?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 10, 13 4:03 PM
phil, I've been watchin' that post for an hour, but I have to move on now . . .

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 10, 13 5:40 PM
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The post is still there Phil. Guess I'll keep watching though.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 11, 13 9:59 PM
To The Champ, Witch and the rest of the leftists here: Is there anything, anything at all that Obama or Hillary or any of the prominant Demokratz could do that would cause you to stop supporting them? Is your alligence to the Party or the country?
Stating that being pro choice is not the same as being pro abortion is not intellectually honest. Murdering an unborn child for convenience and calling it a woman's right is barbaric. The death penalty is wrong but killing an innocent baby is fine. ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 10, 13 6:21 AM
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So, do you eat spirulina? Do you kill the algae growing in your pool? Do you kill arthropods?

A human at less than eight weeks of development is far less complex in form, function, and biological organization than the above lifeforms. In fact, "Plan B" performs no differently than a woman's body does when it fails to implant a fertilized egg.

If you are against abortion after eight weeks, that's fine and personally I agree. But it bears mentioning that the issue is not as simple ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 10, 13 6:33 AM
BBC Apologizes for Benghazi Coverage: Hillary In Trouble, 'Heads Will Roll'
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 10, 13 1:13 PM
Chief, how many times have you been pregnant? We're any of your pregnancies the result of rape? You are a simpleton.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 10, 13 7:50 AM
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Want to know why the teabaggers turn a converstaion about voting discrimination into a rant on Benghazi and abortion?

According to a new Census Bureau report, "In 2012, blacks voted at a higher rate (66.2%) than non-Hispanic whites (64.1%) for the first time since the Census Bureau started publishing voting rates by the eligible citizenship population in 1996." The republicans got less than 6% of the African American vote in 2012.

The largest growing voting population? Hipanics. ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 10, 13 9:01 AM
You couldn't be more wrong witch. The overall hispanic vote nationwide was about 5% of the overall vote. In the swing states, if Obama had received 100% of the hispanic vote, the results would have been identical. The hispanic vote was not pivotal at all. In Ohio, where Obama got 54% of the hispanic vote, he would have won the state with 22% of this hispanic vote. Neither Obama nor any Republican candidate needs to win the Hispanic vote and this has been proven over and over again. The joke ...more
May 10, 13 9:24 AM appended by Groom Henge
we can play that game all day. numbers don't lie, the media does. unless you want to discuss the actual numbers, the internet is filled with nonsense to fan the flames of syncophants like you. surf away. if finding articles that support your errant opinion helps you, then have at it.
By Groom Henge (7), Southampton on May 10, 13 9:24 AM
Sorry, Groom Henge, but you are delusional. Even the right-wing Washington Post disagrees with you.

"A historic turnout by Hispanic voters helped fuel President Obama’s triumph in Tuesday’s election, with exit polls showing a growing share of Latinos casting ballots in a contest that has set off Republican soul-searching and left many Hispanic voters with a greater sense of political voice.

National exit polls showed that 10 percent of the electorate was Hispanic, ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 10, 13 9:50 AM
So your bs numbers are ok but all the others are made up? Typical right wing crap
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 10, 13 4:29 PM
Let's hope that republicans continue to deny the importance of the Latino vote as they do so at their own peril! Si se puede!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 10, 13 11:12 AM
Worth mentioning a second time: No photo ID, no social security number, no habla Ingles.
By AFB (31), NYC/SH on May 10, 13 2:37 PM
It seems that being "human" is a deficiency in this day and age...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 10, 13 10:19 PM
White House scrambles to contain Benghazi-gate fallout
Published May 10, 2013

The White House scrambled Friday to explain newly released email excerpts that show a top State Department official pushing to water down the intelligence community's initial story-line on the Benghazi attack, as Republicans sharply challenged the administration's honesty.

With new details emerging in the Benghazi-gate controversy, the White House held a background discussion with more than a dozen ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 11, 13 12:24 AM
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: This story isn't going to explode; this is a drip, drip, drip [story]. And what the drip, drip, drip is about is this: the administration tried to suppress the truth about what happened in Benghazi and did that consistent and deliberately while the president -- at the same time -- tried to say that his only objective was to collect the facts and to share them as they receive them with the American people. Every piece of evidence that we heard yesterday contradicted that.

Now, ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 11, 13 12:14 AM
Mr Z I'm not a canibal that would eat his young, your argument doesn't hold water.
No ID, fake SS# No habla Ingles = Future Demokrat voter!
Phil: The Demokrat Party panders to the freestuffers, no one in their right mind would want them in power, unless they're on the receiving end of the government gravy train. Obamaphones yo!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 11, 13 7:00 AM
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As usual, you have put your keen and critical mind to task, and failed ineffably to garner the point.

You should also try learning board etiquette regarding the "Reply" option.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 13 5:25 AM
Hey, bigfreshy fool, your hate for Obama is pathetic and irrelevant. Can't wait to hear your same whining bs during Hillary's eight years in office. It will be a good diversion for you because you'll be able to set aside your racism to focus on your misogyny. The Latinos are here to stay, your breed is vanishing.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 11, 13 9:59 AM
The pro-choice crowds have the microphones and the current administration, but Gallop’s annual Value and Belief poll proves once again the majority of Americans are pro-life.
Gallup asked voters if they think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances. 52% opted for something in between, which has been a consistent number since Gallup started this poll in 1975. 26% said legal under any circumstances and 20% ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 11, 13 7:58 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 11, 13 10:13 PM
That's funny, all of a sudden all you maniacal libs are worried about the Heritage Foundation using some material from a racist. That would be something of note except the entirety of the current administration is not only racist but many are known domestic terrorists. The road to the white washed house started in Bill Ayers living room you nincompoops.
By Groom Henge (7), Southampton on May 12, 13 6:06 AM
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Ayers, really?! There still exists someone stupid enough to bring up that old canard? Your desperation is showing, groom. Notice how the baggers, instead of condemning such outright racist hatred, will always defend it by changing the subject. Bill Ayers! Hah! What an idiot.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 13, 13 7:03 AM
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PRESS CORPS TURNS ON BENGHAZI...

NEWYORKER: 'Now there is something to it'...

DOWD: 'It's not true, it's not true, it's not true -- it's old news'...

KLEIN: Obama 'on the same page as Richard Nixon'...
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 12, 13 9:52 AM
When committed Republicans are newly released from the locked ward, noblesse oblige and compassion demand that they be treated kindly while in transition. Objective commentators should not pounce on their irrational and ignorant pronouncements but rather withhold comment while these unfortunates are rehabilitating. Lord knows that if they ever achieve fully normal cognition, they will be embarrassed enough to read what they wrote while still imbalanced rationally without the additional chagrin ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 12, 13 2:41 PM
George Will On Benghazi: "Carney's Usefulness To This Administration Is Diminishing Rapidly"

A week ago, Mr. Carney, who's usefulness to this administration is diminishing rapidly. A week ago he said, Benghazi was a long time ago as if it was the Punic Wars. This is a very live issue, because we now know three things.

We know that Mr. Hicks, the night of the attack, speaking from Libya, said pretty much what it was, an armed interaction, not a movie review conducted with rocket-propelled ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 12, 13 10:52 PM
The question is what kind of a press secretary does Obama want at this time.

If he's looking for someone that appears comfortable defending the indefensible no matter how outlandish or absurd, in the face of immutable facts that completely refute his position, Carney appears to be the right guy.

That is unless Baghdad Bob is available.

By They call me (2826), southampton on May 13, 13 12:38 PM
If Baghdad bob is not available we could always get, Alan Comes,Barneys Frank,Melissa Harris-Perry or highhatsize to fill in
May 13, 13 12:50 PM appended by 27dan
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 13, 13 12:50 PM
Please, Everyone do not dignify this horse crap again. This patriotic good men and women of this site have done more then their share of rebuffing these false accusations.

The race card is predictable pulled by the left when they have been backed into a corner.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 13, 13 4:34 PM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 13, 13 5:46 AM
Here you go phil,

Senators Caught on Tape: "Confiscate, Confiscate, Confiscate"
By Darryl R. Isherwood | May 10th, 2013 - 4:27pm

Second Amendment rights advocates are fuming today over words from three Democratic state senators caught on tape after Thursday's hearing on the upper chamber's gun control package.

The three female senators, who sound from the recording to be Sen. Loretta Weinberg, Sen. Sandy Cunningham and Sen. Linda Greenstein, are heard discussing the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 13, 13 8:55 AM
Spin? did you even read what was said Spin? Hardly
I just got done reading the following...

On Monday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) fired back on assertions by the IRS that its efforts to target conservative groups were relegated to low-level employees. “Of course not,” he told the press. McConnell noted that he had raised the issue of IRS targeting of conservatives in 2012, and further noted that the Washington Post “dismissed it as a bunch of red ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 13, 13 4:14 PM
Gosnell - GUILTY AS CHARGED !
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 13, 13 3:23 PM
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good so then you agree that it was a life, and buy that same admission you submit to the idea that at the very least late term abortion is murder as it makes no difference if the baby is inside the womb or out!he was an evil heartless cowardly excuse for a man
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 13, 13 4:19 PM
39 votes to repeal Affirdable Care Act, 9 hearings on Benghazi with no end in sight, blocking all judicial nominees, filibustering every piece of legislation and not one single vote on the Jobs act and you morons blame Obama?!

Last election hundred of teabagging, "patriot" groups applied for not for profit status and huge tax breaks under the guise of educating voters and them spent hundreds of millions on ads attacking the president and you want to know why the IRS targeted these thieves? ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 13, 13 4:32 PM
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Their motivation? Racist hatred of a black president. Period.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 13, 13 4:33 PM
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you too sound so small its always the color of the skin with the both of you. can you prove what you say about the others on this site. I doubt it.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 13, 13 4:51 PM
Hazel is exactly right. As for the proof of her accusations: just read the posts of people like chief, captn america, joe hampton, et al.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 13, 13 5:33 PM
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By Groom Henge (7), Southampton on May 13, 13 5:37 PM
The leftists here are so blinded by the radiance of the Messiah that they can't see Him for what He is. Playing the race card is the last act of desperation by those who are seeing the Obama administration crumbling. Heh Heh Heh, adios Barry!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 13, 13 5:58 PM
The left seem to be the ones who are blinded,

Just this week alone look at what you try to defend ???

State Dept. Kept Media From Speaking To Benghazi Attack Survivors

IRS Intimidation Forced Founder To Shut Down Tea Party Group True the Vote Founder: IRS Tea Party Scandal 'Beginning of Tyranny'

CNN as learned The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 14, 13 10:34 AM
Hey, bigfesh, want to make a wager that the Obama administration's not going anywhere? Double or nothing that Hillary is our next president.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 14, 13 9:19 AM
I will take Hillary over this Arrogant, Socialist, Redistributing,Spite Meister from parts unkown.... any day of the year.

I think if given that choice again we all would.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 14, 13 10:16 AM
If you want more proof that the teapartiers on this site are racist fools, just look at the subject of this article which they have mutated into an attack on immigrants and the president.

"On Monday Mr. Zellner, a longtime civil rights activist, joined the North Carolina National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in protest of bills being considered in North Carolina that they say would restrict voting rights"

Their immediate reaction to restricting voting rights ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 14, 13 9:23 AM
The time for civil rights is OVER!

You just don't get it... We are all just Americans now, good hard working Americans and the takers. Its time you ask yourself... Which are you?
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 14, 13 10:08 AM
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By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 14, 13 3:23 PM
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Funny I read Joe's comment on civil rights as if it was a positive thing. All Americans start out equal its the life you choose that defines the rest.

After all if an African American can become president there does not seem to be a need for affirmative action any longer.

Hard work and personal responsibility is all you need to make it in this world.

Time to define the makers from the takers!
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 14, 13 6:53 PM
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For all you teabagging idiots who believe Benghazi is going to bring down the president, think again! Turns out Issa and his fellow liars edited the white house emails to fit their argument! That's right, the REAL COVERUP is that the rethugs have lied in order to bring down the president! You won't see this on FOX so look it up on legit news outlets.

CNN speculates that whoever leaked the White House emails "seemingly invented the notion" that Rhodes, a White House official, wanted ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 14, 13 3:21 PM
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Lies about Libya

By Thomas Sowell on Obama-team fibs: 'As with potato chips, it is hard to stop with just one'


There can be honest differences of opinion on many subjects. But there can also be dishonest differences. Last week’s testimony under oath about events in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, makes painfully clear that what the Obama administration told the American people about those events were lies out of whole cloth.

What we were told repeatedly last year ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 14, 13 6:34 PM
maybe it is just me, but i am trying to understand all these breaking white house scandals the last few days and i just read you post dan from tom sowell and it was easy to read and understand. after giving phils post a chance i was very confused

so i went back and read them both again with the very same results.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 14, 13 6:45 PM
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Gulf of Tonkin.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 13 5:33 AM
I'm sure the IRS was targeting conservative political groups for extra scrutiny all on there own. Hey Phil, you don't work for the IRS do you?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 14, 13 8:41 PM
Flat tax NOW!
May 14, 13 10:08 PM appended by They call me
With a flat tax there can be NO CHEATING on either side!
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 14, 13 10:08 PM
Like I have said to both you and Mr Z and Dan in the past . A flat consummation tax would be very fair if done correctly. food and medicine would of coarse have to be exempt. after that the more you consume the more you pay. want to buy a yacht pay your 15 % and your done, it would eliminate the fear of being audited as a political weapon and the 15 % would be more than enough to run the country in a responsible manner.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 14, 13 10:44 PM
A simple VAT would eliminate the fear and anxiety associated with taxes, but only if done in place of any other federal tax. You could still have property tax for locale services. but that is it! The government must live within its means and stick to spending only what it has. NO MORE PRINTING and BORROWING!

Whats the matter Phil to simple for you.after what we saw this week it seems the right time to have this national discussion. I just hope now the media will give Rand Paul a chance ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 14, 13 10:55 PM
The freestuffers should start paying their fair share, they've had a free ride for much too long! As your boy Barry said, we all need to have some skin in the game!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 15, 13 6:58 AM
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Once again, under republicans deficit balloon, under democrats they shrink. Fact.

WASHINGTON, May 14 (Reuters) - The U.S. deficit is shrinking considerably more quickly than previously thought, the Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday in a report that could sap Congress' sense of urgency to find further budget savings.

In one fell swoop, the non-partisan budget referee slashed its deficit forecast for the current fiscal year by $203 billion from estimates made in February ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 15, 13 8:47 AM
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Your are exactly correct, peoplefirst.

Two Stories Not To Miss

Two stories not to miss from yesterday.

First, with that White House emails brouhaha last week about Benghazi. ABC said they’d seen the actual emails when they hadn’t. They’d only seen written summaries, apparently by an unnamed GOP staffer.

Second, remember the deficit? Lost in yesterday’s news, it’s falling rapidly, on track to be the lowest the Bush administration and ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 15, 13 8:54 AM
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W.H. Blames Treasury Dept for IRS Scandal...

Holder NOT ME: points finger at deputy for AP phone taps...

Atty Gen 'not sure' how often media records seized...

'PRESIDENT PASSERBY': Obama deflects blame, claims ignorance...

THE BUCK STOPS -- WHERE?
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 15, 13 10:04 AM
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Definitely not with the CIA.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 13 11:05 AM
Of the 41 percent of Republicans who consider Benghazi to be the worst political scandal in American history, 39 percent are unaware that Benghazi is located in Libya. 10 percent said it's in Egypt, 9 percent in Iran, 6 percent in Cuba, 5 percent in Syria, 4 percent in Iraq, and 1 percent each in North Korea and Liberia, with 4 percent unwilling to venture a guess.

From Public Policy Poll
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 15, 13 11:21 AM
In the month before attackers stormed U.S. facilities in Benghazi and killed four Americans, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens twice turned down offers of security assistance made by the senior U.S. military official in the region in response to concerns that Stevens had raised in a still secret memorandum, two government officials told McClatchy.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 15, 13 11:22 AM

Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that he believes obama owes the American public big explanations for Benghazi, the seizure of Associated Press phone records by the Department of Justice and the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

“I don’t think anyone truly believes that the president has given us a sufficient answers for America, much less the press,” Rangel said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I think this is just the beginning.The ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 15, 13 12:48 PM
Yeah and it's the press which is conveniently leaving out the fact that over 80 percent of the people in Ben Ghazi we're CIA operatives. Only 7 people were State Department staffers. It was an undercover CIA operation.

Can you say Kermit Roosevelt boys and girls? I bet you can...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 13 1:08 PM
Talk about the press conveniently leaving something out,Guess there is only room for 3 scandals at a time.

Why the Pigford Fraud Must Be Exposed, Especially to the Youth
1 May 2013

For today’s American youth--the so-called “Entitlement Generation," with twisted attitudes towards hard work, success, proper compensation, and the relationship between the three--the Pigford fraud, with its handouts based on little to no evidence of discrimination or even being a ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 15, 13 6:06 PM
Something tells me Karl Rove would not want the spot light shining on Crossroads...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 13 6:45 PM
Phil will be home any minute now watch for these talking points in his posts...

Media Matters Distributes Talking Points to Defend DOJ Spying on AP Reporters

Wednesday morning, Media Matters for America (MMFA) openly sided against the media in favor of the Obama Administration. In what might be a major tipping point against them, the hard-left, Soros-funded, 501 (c)(3) welfare queens released a set of pro-Obama talking points that take the Department of Justice's side in the case ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 15, 13 3:21 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa I think you confused him, first time he has not shown up after class in month's

ROTFLOL
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 15, 13 5:51 PM
Here he is, Did your boys presser clear everything up for you ?

lol
May 15, 13 6:36 PM appended by They call me
100 pages down, several thousand to go, Don't you all just love the "Transparency" of this wonderful Obama Regime.100 pages, Sure now that they have bee fully scrubbed and redacted. Let the cover up continue. as you would say Phil this is just a shiny object to get the press off Benghazi and back in their sheep clothes. You will have to take it from here Captain / Joe I am out of bullets for today
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 15, 13 6:36 PM
Why should there even be "talking points"? Isn't the truth good enough? Oh yeah, the truth shows that there was insufficient military presence on sight to protect our diplomats. Also an attack by an Al Qida offshoot blows Barry's BS narrative that He had the terrorists on the run. Caught with His pants down on this one. Via con Dios to our Chump in Chief.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 15, 13 7:04 PM
It was a CIA operation.

NOT diplomatic.

At all.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 15, 13 7:42 PM
Both parties are an absolute joke. They keep casting their lines and you guys keep biting. Our gov't is beyond laughable and the masses just keep on keeping on.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 15, 13 9:40 PM
You are 1000 percent correct welcome aboard my good man... you have arrived at the same conclusion I have.Now keep calm and VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 15, 13 10:23 PM
Which school of Libertarianism might you be referring to?

Anarchism, or Socialism?

I can just see joe running through the streets screaming "Laissez-faire, Laissez-faire, Laissez-faire"...

By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 16, 13 4:31 AM
The school of Transparent small Fed. Gov., Free markets and Common sense.

The school of a fair tax where everyone pays his fair share (after tax free food and necessity's of coarse) a school where the word successful is not a bad word. and people stay out of other peoples business.

(With the exception of what some on this board call " womens reproductive rights since that is in fact murder" and cannot fall into the category of personal choice)

but as far as who ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 16, 13 12:17 PM
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i do not really understand the definition of fascist but when i looked it up it was described as

: fascism stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

does not sound close to what joe is saying phillip it kinda sounds the opposite

just saying
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 16, 13 12:53 PM
mr z the definition of laissez - faire sounds more like what he is saying

1: a doctrine opposing governmental interference in economic affairs beyond the minimum necessary for the maintenance of peace and property rights
2
: a philosophy or practice characterized by a usually deliberate abstention from direction or interference especially with individual freedom of choice and action

and it may not be such a bad idea to think about it instead of mock it. i think the founding ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 16, 13 1:02 PM
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Erin, you need to take a deeper look into the historical, and vernacular meaning of "laissez-faire".

Pure anarchy is only possible in a completely moral society, where each individual practices their beliefs, and conducts themselves in a harmless manner.

Good luck with that.
May 16, 13 6:01 PM appended by Mr. Z
I must amend that to include "harmless and unselfish manner".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 16, 13 6:01 PM
Responsibility for Benghazi falls squarely on the shoulders of Darryl Issa McCarthy and his cohorts who refused to vote for increased funding for security.

The AP debacle falls squarely on the shoulders of Republicans who blocked the shield law that was meant to protect sources.

The responsibility for the IRS rests with the Supreme Court that declared corporations are people and can give unlimited dollars. The vast majority of 501c applications in 2009-10 came from teaparty zealots ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 16, 13 2:22 PM
No.

Ben Ghazi falls squarely on the CIA.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 16, 13 6:02 PM
Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad
May 16, 13 6:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
That decision not only defied, but spat in the face of the Founding Fathers who deemed that corporations were not permitted to be involved in civic life. It has been the abject cause of governmental corruption ever since.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 16, 13 6:47 PM
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1. Obama failed to properly oversee the protection of our American ambassador serving in an area that was a hotbed of unrest. The compound structure did not even have BULLET PROOF GLASS….and was far, far from being a safe haven of protection.
2. Obama failed to acknowledge that it was a planned TERRORIST ATTACK, deferring to call it anything BUT an act of terrorism, even while leaders in the area called it just that.
3. Obama failed to call a terrorist a terrorist, continuing to fail ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 16, 13 7:21 PM
The only thing known about the incident is what the CIA wanted people to know.

Get over it.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 16, 13 7:30 PM
Obama called it a terrorist attack the following day. The rethugs just rewrite history to suit their narrative. With the release of hundreds of documents by the white house we learned what sane people knew all along about the Benghazi "scandal" and this is that there is not scandal. The rethugs, with encouragement from their zombie bagger followers, will, once again, overplay their hand!

Hey, Mr. Boehner, where are the jobs!!
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 17, 13 8:20 AM
Chris Matthews who we know is in love with Barack Obama. What Matthews feels is way beyond a man crush. The "Hardball" anchor is deeply in love with the President. It's not a sexual thing, but it is romantic and unrequited.
How else to explain Tweety McTingles' erratic and ongoing emotional tingle-osity:

President Obama "obviously likes giving speeches more than he does running the executive branch," Chris Matthews said tonight.

Yes, you read that right: The MSNBC host who ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 16, 13 7:14 PM
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Bachman Today,

“This is extremely troubling because the axiom is, the power to tax is the power to destroy,” she said. “And now with the implementation of Obamacare at hand, and knowing that it is the IRS that will be the enforcing mechanism for this new entitlement program, it’s very important and reasonable to ask if a person’s access to health care may be based upon their political or religious beliefs.”

She said questions like that “would’ve ...more
May 16, 13 7:34 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
He's governed as though it's beneath him, and now it's coming back to bite him.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 16, 13 7:34 PM
US Jobless Claims Jump to Highest Level in 6 Weeks
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from AP 16 May 2013, 6:20 AM PDT 191post a comment (AP) US jobless claims jump to highest level in 6 weeks
By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON
The number of Americans seeking unemployment aid rose 32,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 360,000, the most since late March. The jump comes after applications fell to a five-year low.

The Labor Department said Thursday that the ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 16, 13 8:24 PM
Breaking: WOW!

This Is No Ordinary Scandal
Political abuse of the IRS threatens the basic integrity of our government
By PEGGY NOONAN

We are in the midst of the worst Washington scandal since Watergate. The reputation of the Obama White House has, among conservatives, gone from sketchy to sinister, and, among liberals, from unsatisfying to dangerous. No one likes what they're seeing. The Justice Department assault on the Associated Press and the ugly politicization of ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 16, 13 8:42 PM
Top 10 real, actual scandals since 1950:

10. Operation Mongoose/Bay of Pigs

9. Gulf of Tonkin

8. Agent Orange

7. COINTELPRO

6. Iran-Contra

5. Nixon and the Paris Peace Accords

4. Watergate

3. Pakistani CIA assassinations during Bush 2.0

2. Ford and Kissinger allow Suharto to kill over 100,000 in genocidal rampage

1. WMD's in Iraq
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 18, 13 3:00 AM
Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Report Claims

One day after The White House released 100 pages of Benghazi emails, a report has surfaced alleging that Republicans released a set with altered text.

CBS News reported Thursday that leaked versions sent out by the GOP last Friday had visible differences than Wednesday's official batch. Two correspondences that were singled out in the report came from National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes and State Department Spokeswoman ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 17, 13 9:09 AM
IRS Official in Charge During Political Persecution of Conservatives Now Running ObamaCare Office
by Debra Heine 16 May
The woman who was in charge of the tax exempt division at the IRS while it was targeting conservative groups is now leading the IRS' ObamaCare Enforcement division.

Via ABC News OMG
May 17, 13 10:17 AM appended by They call me
Maddow: IRS Mistake A Serious Breach Of Trust, "A Serious Breach Of Trust" OMG
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 17, 13 10:17 AM
Today on Bill Presses syndicated far left liberal radio show that heard across the country:

Shockingly Press said he thinks that it is time for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to be FIRED!
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 17, 13 3:32 PM
If Holderwas a white man he would have been fired,hauled into court over his non action re: voter intimidation by the Black Panthers, gun running into Mexico and the AP scam!
Is there anything Barry can do that would force the leftists here to stop backing Him? Progress Now, Witch, Philly, any of you??!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 17, 13 5:46 PM
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The ends don't justify the means - unless you're a power-grabbing Progressive out to change the world.

We're witnessing the rapid decline of American liberty and freedom because Americans no longer possess the moral and cultural values they once possessed.

Too many Americans are low-information voters simply looking for government hand-outs. This corrupt Administration simply reflects the quality of the electorate.

By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 18, 13 12:39 AM
And now, for some REAL corruption and "scandal":

10. Operation Mongoose/Bay of Pigs

9. Gulf of Tonkin

8. Agent Orange

7. COINTELPRO

6. Iran-Contra

5. Nixon and the Paris Peace Accords

4. Watergate

3. Pakistani CIA assassinations during Bush 2.0

2. Ford and Kissinger allow Suharto to kill over 100,000 in genocidal rampage

1. WMD's in Iraq
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 18, 13 3:08 AM
I agree these are scandals that are equivalent to the current state of affairs Barry now as even more bad associations in a comparison kind of way.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 18, 13 10:31 AM
He dose not need any help, He is doing a fine job all by himself.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 18, 13 10:41 PM
If you actually think that anything which has gone on during this sitting President's term is anywhere even close to the behavior listed above, I've got this lovely bridge you just have to see.

When it comes to "scandal", the how about LIBOR rate fixing? How about shaving basis points on municipal contracts to bleed town governments to death? How about petroleum price fixing? How about NOT ONE person being held responsible for the economic meltdown?

This country really has become ...more
May 19, 13 7:54 AM appended by Mr. Z
And one thing I do find incredibly pathetic is the one thing that really does qualify would be the "Monsanto Protection Act", considering Bt has been proven to damage mammalian red blood cells, AND it can be found in Monsanto's crops. No outrage over GMO crops poisoning people slowly, but all the rest of the trifecta scandal bull**** is important. Right...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 19, 13 7:54 AM
If your boy Barry got everything He wanted as Prez our country as we know it would be finished! Thank God for those with the guts to stand up to Him.
I've posed this question a few times before and will try again: Is there anything Barry could do that would stop the leftists from supporting Him? Using the IRS to go after political opponants maybe? Having the Justice Department seize phone records from the AP perhaps? NIxon was impeached for doing similar things, Bo must go!!! High crimes and ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 18, 13 6:23 AM
THEY KNEW...

...LAST JUNE

Dems grow nervous...

By They call me (2826), southampton on May 18, 13 11:05 PM
Wait until the investigations of His scandalous behavior are over before you start shooting your mouth off about Him not being guilty of impeachable offenses. Check the definition of 'facist' there Phil, sounds just what your boy Barry would do if given the chance, Heil Obama. Gotta go to work, the 1% are waiting, may the rich get richer!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 18, 13 7:47 AM
Already been at work for 5 hours, and you're still blind as a bat.

You're really not the type of sycophant your last statement dictates, are you?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 18, 13 8:05 AM
Erin gave us Websters definition of Fascism last week or did you miss that too.
: fascism stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

As far as the "boy" thing
I have told you before when Holder stops calling obama his boy then so will I.
NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS PAL... If Chris rock can say it then so will I... and I do to prove that point.
NO MORE DOUBLE ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 18, 13 10:37 AM
"Not really..."

~ Chris Rock
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 18, 13 2:12 PM
Says you, If you can say it I can say it, I don't because I have more class than Chris Rock. But If I was singing a Dr Dre song and Chris was in the room you can bet your last dollar I can and will say it proud. If you don't like it blame Dr Dre for the garbage lyrics he puts out.

Don't like it Mr. Z ask me if I " Really" care!
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 18, 13 10:55 PM
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I was talking about the n word. If these so called artists think they can paint these words into songs and they are the only ones allowed to sing them I say BS! I am going to sing them and loud. Just to prove the point they should not be in the song in the first place. No more spacial privileges Affirmative action is dead. We have a black leader for better or worse and the one thing it proves is every one has a shot, its what they do with that shot that matters. So you gotta ask yourself a question.

Are ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 19, 13 2:56 PM
I agree with you TCM if the word is bad then it should be bad for everyone. Stop the double standard crap.and do not lecture us on how it was this way or that Phil is it a bad word or not? I say it should be a bad thing for everyone not just who you say it is so I agree with TCM
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By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 19, 13 8:09 PM
Please, do not let people pull you into that argument with there race baiting just ignore it it is what they seem to do when they get desperate. it has nothing to do with anything you were talking about he is trying to change the subject.cant you see that it is soooo obvious
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 19, 13 8:55 PM
BTW, if you (2nd p. pl.) want scandal with an applied exponent, try looking over the UCS paper entitled "Heads They Win, Tails We Lose".

Or don't, and remain distracted and ignorant by "bread and circuses".

Because who "Really" cares anymore?
May 19, 13 8:22 AM appended by Mr. Z
"Access to the best available science allows federal decision makers to craft policies that protect our health and safety and the environment. Unfortunately, censorship of scientists and the manipulation, distortion, and suppression of scientific information has threatened the federal scientific enterprise in recent years. This serious problem has sparked much debate, but few have analyzed the key driver of political interference in federal science: the inappropriate influence of companies with a financial stake in the outcome. This influence affects not only the science used in decision making, but also public opinion and the decision-making process itself. By better understanding how corporations influence the use of science in federal decision making, we can both hold companies and policy makers accountable for their actions and ensure that the nation develops science based policies that serve the public interest."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 19, 13 8:22 AM
May the rich get richer! It benefits our community when the wealthy have more money to spend on goods and services. More taxes to pay for our public sector workers too.
As to Phil's incredible ability to see racism everywhere, it's like the pot calling the kettle black!! You sir are a racist, same as all those who feel minorities need the government to get involved in order for them to succeed.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 19, 13 8:43 AM
There are a few things it does not benefit like our farmers, the next generation of islanders, or the ousting of wildlife due to overdevelopment and the wholesale selling out of the community for the Almighty Dollar. It also does not benefit the level of socioeconomic disparity when massive fortunes are printed out of thin air, but only benefit the few. Too much power, in too few hands is one of the things this country was founded to rally against. It's a shame you can't see things through the ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 19, 13 9:03 AM
Too much power, in too few hands is one of the things this country was founded to rally against.

I agree that is why we MUST switch to a fair tax, There is to much power in the governments hands and its ability to target an enemies list must be neutralized.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 19, 13 2:50 PM
There is far too much power, and sway regarding the corporations and their lobbyists.

There is a reason why the Founding Fathers banned corporations from civic life. Those reasons being disregarded are a huge part of the reason why the government is such a disaster.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 13 6:58 PM
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By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 19, 13 7:16 PM
Nice try Phill,
WH in full Spin mode on IRS, Benghazi, AP Scandals
WH-spokesman-'Irrelevant' Where Obama Was During Benghazi Attacks
WH: Legality of IRS Action Against Conservatives 'Irrelevant'

Then this...Dan Pfeiffer finally told ABCs Stephanopoulos that the IRS’ targeting of conservative groups was “inexcusable,” and that the law with regard to the activity was “irrelevant.” “I can’t speak to the law here,” he said. “The ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 19, 13 7:21 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 19, 13 8:28 PM
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I am sorry but cant we all agree to judge each other on our accomplishments instead of what we may or may not look like. I feel most here do and it seems the ones still talking about racism are the bomb throwers on the left, get over it already.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 19, 13 8:46 PM
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well phillip? can you agree to judge each other on our accomplishments instead of what we may or may not look like.and stop with the racial division comments. you seem to have just dismissed the question,very rude phillip
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on May 19, 13 9:55 PM
Deflect deflect deflect, classic liberal tactic Philly, well done. Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech says it all a man should be judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character! Learn it and live it you little bigot!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 20, 13 5:59 AM
The law is irrelevant to liberals because they want to be judged on the REASON they did the crime , not the fact that they did it, it's all about the motivation. Anyone questiont the motivation behind the actions is a RACIST! Any more questions?
Off to work, Memorial Day weekend is fast approaching and the 1% of the 1% need our business to make their estates beautiful. May the rich get richer. Break out the rain gear, wet week coming up!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 20, 13 6:31 AM
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Since when have the " pay the fine but it made no wrongdoing" criminals in the fiscal industry been "liberals"?

More general BS on the BF Channel...
May 20, 13 9:27 AM appended by Mr. Z
"pay the fine but admit no wrongdoing". Heck, unless we're all second class citizens, that option should be on the table for the general populace as well...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 20, 13 9:27 AM
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"When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money."

~ Unknown
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 20, 13 8:37 PM
Hispanic immigrants come here with no education, no skills,and no sense of the English language. They all seem to get jobs when they get here The so-called American minority can't seem to find a job. Why is that? II can tell you the answer but my post would be deleted.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 20, 13 10:25 AM
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By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 20, 13 11:58 AM
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We should call you the Scarlet witch with all the red ink you wear.

Tracked movements via key card, traced calls, searched email...
FLASHBACK: Admin war on FOX...
REPORT: DOJ Leaked Docs to Smear Fast & Furious Whistleblower...
Administration's Two-Front War...
RNC Chief: Obama Creating 'Atomsphere of Guerilla Warfare'...
Congressman: Impeachment is an option...
'Richard Milhous Obama'...
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 20, 13 2:05 PM
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Schieffer To Pfeiffer: "Why Are You Here Today? Why Isn't The White House Chief of Staff Here?"
Bob Schieffer questions Obama adviser Dan Pfeiffer on "Face the Nation."


Why Indeed?
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 20, 13 2:33 PM
Howard Dean: Thinks Benghazi Scandal 'Laughable Joke'

Meanwhile on the other side of town this discusting abuse of power unfolds...

Breaking - Report: DOJ Leaked Docs to Smear Fast & Furious Whistleblower, Says IG
The Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General published a new report Monday that confirms former U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke leaked a document intended to smear Operation Fast and Furious scandal whistleblower John Dodson. The DOJ IG said it found “Burke’s ...more
May 20, 13 2:09 PM appended by joe hampton
Its like the gates of hell have been breached the dirt keeps coming and coming and coming
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 20, 13 2:09 PM
<--- hoRRRRRRRRARRRR
May 20, 13 2:15 PM appended by joe hampton
AP Chief: DOJ Grab of Reporter Phone Records Unconstitutional
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 20, 13 2:15 PM
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OMG, Did you see this yet,
Fox News reports that three Fox staffers, two reporters and one producer, were targeted by Barack Obama's Justice Department. Fox doesn't have all the details yet on reporter William La Jeunesse and producer Mike Levine, but their emails showed up in a IG report regarding Fast and Furious. Either their emails were leaked by the Justice Department officials they were sent to, or the email accounts of both were subpoenaed and invaded by government investigators,

Your ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 20, 13 3:09 PM
Right becuse just Fox is reporting on this,

A rare peek into a Justice Department leak probe

By Ann E. Marimow, WASINGTON POST Published: May 19

When the Justice Department began investigating possible leaks of classified information about North Korea in 2009, investigators did more than obtain telephone records of a working journalist suspected of receiving the secret material.

They used security badge access records to track the reporter’s comings and ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 20, 13 3:50 PM
What I saw in the letter was, until we get to the bottom of this, do not give libereal media outlets something else to talk about, or nearly half of the public will here nothing of the investigations, becuase they will not cover it at all!

Smart if you ask me real Smart!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 20, 13 4:15 PM
Listen both sides are in it together, I have not heard one member of congress stand up and say we should go to a fair tax to avoid this kind of mess in the future, not one?

We must take back this republic before its to late constitutionally. We must ignore the takers and unions and restore pride and liberty hard work and personal responsibility. Less Warren Buffet more Steve Forbes. Its really starting to feel like we are living an Ayn Rand Novel
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 20, 13 9:55 PM
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Its funny how every time obama has a huge scandal or problem, some bigger mess comes along and makes everyone forget? During the election when Romney had the momentum, Hurricane Sandy. When Benghazi happened last fall, same thing. When Benghazi came back into the spotlight, the Boston bombing. Then the IRS and AP things come up and we have the rapist in Ohio who kept the girls prisoner. Now we'll have days of coverage of this story, obama will head there and share their pain, and the three current ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 21, 13 2:10 PM
Not unlike what Soros has ordered you to do by citing this.

Hey did you hear the good news Glen Beck returns to Cablevision tonight,
I know you will be happy to hear that and welcome the Blaze network and Mr. Beck back to our Televisions.

I know the Group of Tea party protesters in front of the S.H. town hall today were happy when I told them. Have a Wonderful Day!
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 21, 13 2:30 PM
That is good news, Thanks for the heads up.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 21, 13 2:53 PM
The AP is reporting that although the FBI has identified five men believed to have been behind the September 11 Benghazi attacks, those men remain free because President Barack Obama will not allow the military to seize them.
According to the report, the FBI says it has evidence sufficient to support seizing the men as "suspected terrorists." Yet, Obama appears unwilling to authorize it.

WHY?

By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 21, 13 10:00 PM
@ They call me, some "food for thought":

“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
~ Thomas Jefferson

“There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by… corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 21, 13 7:23 PM
And we can give you just as many quotes the other direction what does it prove?
You will never think differently because of your envious nature. ( and please don't scrub that it was not meant as an insult) it is just you seem to think government redistributing wealth is the only way. I having seen that kind of government first hand whole heartedly disagree. Dont you get it, It is the reason people risk there lives to come here and not Sweden or Cuba
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 21, 13 9:51 PM
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Your wasting your time on MR Z or Phil, Concentrate on just presenting the facts and maybe you will make people think and do some investigating on their own.

Start be comparing Thomas Sowell or maybe even Ayn Rand since you brought her up yesterday with Cloward and Piven or Noam Chomsky on you tube and see how you feel for yourselves
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 21, 13 10:06 PM
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ROTFLOL he didn't just blame Bush did he lol
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 22, 13 9:44 PM
@ UD:

Typical, totally inaccurate accusation AND sure you could post a series of quotes in the "opposite direction", BUT what you can't refute is how the original corporate charter system was designed, implemented, and regulated by the states. The men who founded this country created a system wherein:

Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 23, 13 7:40 PM
Mr Z, You want food for thought tell me if you think this report I just read on Real Clear Politics is as strange as it seemed to me?

The “charity” run by President Barack Obama’s brother that was fast-tracked for IRS tax-exempt status is based at a Virginia UPS store... .

According to its website the organization’s IRS filings list another Virginia address that is actually a drug rehab center where the foundation does not appear ever to have been based.

The ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 21, 13 10:41 PM
Once again...Erin gave us Websters definition of Fascism last week.

: fascism stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

We are for the opposite... Funny you cant seem to see that ?

By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 22, 13 4:03 PM
Fascism is not just a form of government. It can also be simply a philosophy believed in by a group, or person either in power or not. You actually may want to look more deeply into "Corporatism", which is the form of fascism this country and it's government currently suffers serious ill due to the destruction of this country's founding principles.

corporatism (ˈkɔr pə rəˌtɪz əm, -prəˌtɪz-) n. 1. Control of a state or organization by large ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 23, 13 8:04 PM
@ joe:

The "media" blacks out many things, like how successful Iceland was jailing it's bankers, and taking back their democracy.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 23, 13 11:02 PM
uh I don't think he answered your question
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 24, 13 4:02 PM
Racist post reported Joe!! Questioning Barry Soetoro will not be tolerated.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 22, 13 6:11 AM
Talk about eating there own check this out Cap,

Chuck Todd: Obama Wants to 'Criminalize Journalism'
May 2013, 2:16 PM PDT

NBC’s chief White House correspondent Chuck Todd said on Wednesday that the Obama Administration’s seizure of reporters’ emails and phone records is evidence that “they want to criminalize journalism.”
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 22, 13 9:38 PM
Project this,

Holder Approved Warrant for Fox News Reporter's Emails

A law enforcement official has told NBC News that Attorney General Eric Holder is the one who signed the search warrant for the private emails of Fox News reporter James Rosen. The warrant was signed under the guise that Rosen might be a "possible co-consiprator" in violation of the Espionage Act.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 23, 13 10:02 PM
Seems Holder might have comited perjury
Out of one side of his mouth, and while under oath, Holder says he has never heard of anyone trying to prosecute the press for publishing material. Out of the other side of his mouth, Holder is accusing reporters of espionage on applications for subpoenas.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 24, 13 12:46 PM
P.O.S.
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 23, 13 10:03 PM
He has several perjury problems, but nobody seems to care. Fast and Furious was is just the beginning. Lets not forget obama said he wants "revenge." That is his word, not mine.
His supporters seem to agree; as just one example, they threatened to RIOT! if obama lost the election.
at the same time Holder’s “Justice” Department is not interested in prosecuting bl ack-on-white crime.
Here's the point: The national government is: (i) inciting trouble; and (ii) ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 24, 13 12:54 PM
Talk about fabracation head clown Lawrence O'Donnell at MSNBC had the balls to say that the GOP has fabracated an ignorance fueled war against IRS

By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 24, 13 3:48 PM
Let them say what they want, all together including phill, progress now and witch hazel they only have 12 viewers.

Operation deflect and diminish is on full throttle. MSNBC is a disgrace to journalism. MSNBC is not relevant because they are too busy adoring their KING the head re distributer and propagandist in chief. No reporters work there....only lap puppies and weasels!
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 24, 13 3:59 PM
Well Well Well... if this is not the biggest case of the Fox guarding the Hen house
I have aver seen. Absolutely hilarious....

" Obama asks Holder to investigate Holder investigation "

You just cant make it up anymore...
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 24, 13 6:34 PM
And since Mr Z balked on this now I ask you... wonder how ProPublica missed this gem

Do you find the report I just read on Real Clear Politics is as strange as it seemed to me?

The “charity” run by President Barack Obama’s brother that was fast-tracked for IRS tax-exempt status is based at a Virginia UPS store... .

According to its website the organization’s IRS filings list another Virginia address that is actually a drug rehab center where the ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 24, 13 9:28 PM
Crickets
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 25, 13 6:20 AM
You find favoritism on the part of this charity odd, but favoritism and a despicable degree of nepotism on the part of the fiscal industry which wiped out trillions of dollars worth of fiat wealth inconsequential?

You're damn right I balked.
May 27, 13 8:17 PM appended by Mr. Z
Monsanto not only banned in tens of countries including the EU, but all the protests against GMO crops blacked out in the "media". Wake the [expletive deleted] up.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 27, 13 8:17 PM
This Memorial Day, I will be thinking about 4 dead American heroes in Benghazi who waited for your help, but got none.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 27, 13 3:25 PM
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What exactly is PETA's position on beating a dead horse?

It was CIA.

Good luck getting the truth out of "Mr. Lynch"...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 28, 13 6:40 PM
At least they came back and did not get sodomized with a bayonet like the ambassador
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 27, 13 7:23 PM
This has nothing to do with the "Military" that is the point!
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 27, 13 7:36 PM
I consider myself a Pittsburgh Steeler fan.
May 27, 13 8:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
"How much soft money can I expect to collect in exchange for my core values? So that I can continue my work in government." ~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 27, 13 8:05 PM
I'd actually like to be serious for a bit.

I've taken the time over the years to ponder the vernacular of the phrase "are created equal" from time to time.

I'd like to think it means it matters not who we are, but that none of us see the other as inferior. Take the time to read our country's documents, but also remember that no one says "Thy" out loud in Congress much anymore.

Anyway, Happy Memorial Day; and honestly we really are all just lucky to be here...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 27, 13 9:29 PM
SCANDAL? WHAT SCANDAL?
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 28, 13 10:43 AM
The heresy of Fox News is not just that it criticizes the Obama administration or that it provides a platform for conservative opinion, but that it rejects the attempt to place Obama beyond politics and accountability. It refuses, in other words, to endorse the idea that Obama inhabits a unique category, beyond the obvious (and, for most governing purposes, meaningless) historic fact that he is the nation's first black president.

Democrats use race to defend Obama from criticism, but race ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 28, 13 2:53 PM
Phil, I find it disturbing that a "Professor" of the constitution could goes to war against it

It has been said that "no one is better positioned to steal than a guard"

So perhaps we should not be surprised that the most conspicuous foe of liberty and the Bill of Rights in a generation turns out to be a former professor of constitutional law.

Liberals claim to care so deeply about civil liberties while trying to restrict the and other kind.

The president’s ...more
May 28, 13 3:55 PM appended by joe hampton
Liberals claim to care so deeply about civil liberties while trying to restrict liberties of any other kind.... sorry typing from my BB
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 28, 13 3:55 PM
Developing
By They call me (2826), southampton on May 28, 13 4:43 PM
Well, the "journalists" among the establishment media felt that the 2nd Amendment had outlived its usefulness when they acted like cheerleaders for the current administration and helped promote the call for more "gun control".

As they sink under the weight and the hubris of Supream Leader's administration they so willingly supported, perhaps they will have to come to terms with the fact that the 1st Amendment has outlived its usefulness.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on May 28, 13 6:11 PM
If Obama had a trial it would look a lot like this.

Judge Debra S. Nelson, who is the judge in the George Zimmerman trial for shooting Trayvon Martin, has barred some rather interesting information from being disclosed to the jury. Here is a list of what we know so far:

Lawyers can ask potential jurors about their marijuana use but may not include in their opening statements information regarding Trayvon Martin's marijuana use, school problems, and his history of fighting.
...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 28, 13 9:14 PM
No use of photo of Martin's gold teeth in opening statements, either.
No reference to Martin's school records, including suspensions and "aggressive" texts in opening statements. Nelson said they are "prejudicial and inadmissible" in court.
No text messages and pictures showing Martin smoking, either, during opening statements.
No photos of a hand holding a gun taken from Trayvon Martin's phone can be admitted during opening statements.
we wouldn't want actual facts to ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on May 28, 13 9:15 PM
Here is what your missing and always will ... associations matter in the real world !ACORN, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Frank Marshal Davis, Khalid Abdullah, Rezko, Tariq al-Mansour, Rashid Khalidi, Raila Odinga, all assorted leftists that form an unbroken chain throughout obama’s life, its not just a question of friendship... Its a question of shared worldview. BHO has surrounded himself and befriended a freak show of racists, anti-Semites, and America haters . This isn’t ...more
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 28, 13 9:40 PM
So when we say your boy Al Franken or Barney Frank I guess we must believe they are black with a white mother. You sound so ridiculous playing your tired race card
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on May 30, 13 6:03 PM
Phyllis is still playing the racist card. What a surprise.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on May 30, 13 10:09 PM
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