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Jul 25, 2013 9:27 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Police Identify Woman Killed In Fatal CR39 Accident

Jul 26, 2013 9:40 AM

UPDATE: Friday, 9:35 a.m.

Southampton Town Police identified the driver and attendant of the Hampton Jitney bus involved in a fatal head-on crash with an SUV Thursday morning on County Road 39 in Tuckahoe.

The attendant is Shimona Kameka, 36, of Southampton and the driver is George Scheld, 54, of Nesconset, according to a press release issued Thursday evening. Both were taken to Southampton Hospital to be treated for non-life threatening injuries.

Police identified the driver of the 2004 Chevrolet Trailblazer who died in the collision as 29-year-old Carissa Castillo of Shirley on Thursday afternoon.

UPDATE: Thursday, 5:45 p.m.

Traffic remains congested around the recently reopened County Road 39 where a fatal car crash occurred Thursday morning.

Normal rush hour traffic in the East End was exacerbated because of a collision in Tuckahoe between a Hampton Jitney bus and an SUV at about 7 a.m. Drivers are encouraged to stay off the roads if possible to allow the build up of cars to clear out.

Traffic on the thoroughfare was shutdown complete until about 1 p.m. between Tuckahoe Road and Tuckahoe Lane when a single eastbound lane was opened. All four lanes were gradually opened at about 4 p.m.

A Southampton Town Police dispatcher said one minor accident occurred on St. Andrews Road near the spot of the previous accident, but did not impede traffic.

The dispatcher added that almost all the roads surrounding County Road 39—including Montauk Highway and Sebonac Road where traffic was diverted after Thursday morning's crash—were jammed up with cars.

Southampton Town Director of Public Transportation and Traffic Safety Thomas Neely said he received many phone calls and emails throughout the day from people inquiring about the status of the roads.

Mr. Neely said the road closure, which spanned about nine hours, was necessary so the Suffolk County Medical Examiner could declare the driver of the SUV—29-year-old Carissa Castillo of Shirley—dead at the scene and so authorities could clear the road.

"Unfortunately it's a great inconvenience to a great many people," he said.

Mr. Neely said there was no way of telling when the dense traffic might break, but he expects it to be a gradual process spanning the next few hours.

UPDATE: Thursday, 3:55 p.m.

All four traffic lanes of County Road 39 in Tuckahoe have reopened after a fatal car crash occurred there Thursday morning, according to Southampton Town Police. Residual delays are expected while traffic clears out.

UPDATE: Thursday, 2:45 p.m.

Police have identified the driver of the SUV who died after being involved in a head-on collision with a Hampton Jitney bus Thursday morning on County Road 39 as 29-year-old Carissa Castillo of Shirley.

The mother of two was driving eastbound on the highway at about 7 a.m. when she crossed the double yellow lines and crashed into the westbound bus, Southampton Town Police Detective Sergeant Lisa Costa said.

The bus driver and attendant were taken to Southampton Hospital to be treated for what Sgt. Costa classified as non-life threatening injuries.

Eastbound traffic was opened up at about 1 p.m., Sgt. Costa said, and as of 2:45 p.m. authorities were still trying to clear the road for westbound traffic, which had been rerouted to Sebonac Road. She said the road should be open within the hour.

UPDATE: Thursday, 1:30 p.m.

Eastbound traffic on County Road 39 has partially reopened after a fatal car crash brought traffic to a halt for more than six hours on Thursday.

One lane of traffic was reopened as of 1:30 p.m. and the Southampton Town Police said authorities still are working on opening westbound traffic on the highway but no timetable has been set.

UPDATE: Thursday, 11:15 a.m.

Southampton Town Police Detective Sergeant Lisa Costa confirmed from the scene that one person died in the Thursday morning accident between a Hampton Jitney bus and an SUV.

Marsha Kenny, director of public relations and marketing for the Southampton Hospital, confirmed that two people are being treated for injuries related to the accident.

Southampton Volunteer Ambulance Chief Donna Kreymborg said two individuals were transported to the hospital with minor injuries, one by an ambulance from her agency and one in a Southampton Village Volunteer ambulance.

Aerial footage of the accident shows that the bus involved was a Hampton Ambassador bus, a luxury line operated by the Hampton Jitney.

ORIGINAL STORY

County Road 39 in Southampton remained closed to traffic in both directions as of 10:30 a.m. Thursday following a fatal accident involving what appears to be a small SUV and a Hampton Jitney bus that occurred at around 7 a.m. this morning in Tuckahoe.

According to a Southampton Volunteer Fire Department official, the small SUV was heading eastbound and veered into the westbound lane and was struck head-on by the Jitney bus, which was heading west. The accident occurred near St. Andrews Road, and the highway remains closed between Tuckahoe Lane and Tuckahoe Road.

The sole occupant of the SUV, a woman, was pronounced dead at the scene and as of this morning was still entrapped in the vehicle, which was nearly unrecognizable, according to the same fire official.

Southampton Town Police would not immediately confirm if the woman died in the crash or how many people were injured in the accident.

Hampton Jitney Vice President Andrew Lynch confirmed Thursday morning that involved bus belongs to his company, but said no passengers were on board at the time of the crash. He said only a driver and attendant were aboard at the time; he did not know the severity of their injuries.

“Our driver and attendant were taken to [Southampton] Hospital and the local authorities are currently investigating,” Mr. Lynch said.

The highway remains closed between Tuckahoe Lane and Tuckahoe Road, creating massive traffic tie-ups in both directions. Eastbound traffic is being rerouted to Montauk Highway while westbound traffic is being directed to Sebonac Road.

The cause of the accident is still under investigation.

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Gruesome.
By Spelling Cop (22), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 10:33 AM
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Possibly a heart attack behind the wheel.
By Frank Wheeler (1818), Northampton on Jul 25, 13 10:36 AM
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By ba (50), speonk on Jul 25, 13 11:43 AM
You must be a 27east VIP. My sarcastic response to you got removed. I better behave.
By ba (50), speonk on Jul 25, 13 1:29 PM
Really, why would you take to time to post such a comment that is so speculative and serves not purpose at all?
By EH123 (22), East Hampton on Jul 25, 13 1:33 PM
ba:

Not a VP at all -- the removal of your "sarcastic response" most have violated 27East's TOS, although it seemed to have been met with approval by those who had the opportunity to read it. But yes, you'd better behave. I've had comments removed in the past, and have managed to figure out what is acceptable here and what isn't.

EH123: yes, it was "speculative," and based solely on the information provided in the initial report.

But it was reasoned speculation -- short ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1818), Northampton on Jul 25, 13 2:24 PM
I like Frank. He says so much and so little at the same time. But dont we all?
By ba (50), speonk on Jul 25, 13 2:34 PM
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there was no reason for your response to be removed

By jacks (70), hampton bays on Jul 25, 13 3:16 PM
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My thoughts and prayers are extended to this woman's loved ones and friends. It is so frightening how lives can be altered forever in a split second. So scary that she hit a large bus--she never had a chance.
By Mrs.Sea (268), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 13 10:55 AM
Tragic... Was on the jitney once when a tire lost from a car a Ross the LIE came crashing through the window. Our driver handled it exceptionally well and there were no serious injuries. Life is short... Be thankful for every day given to you
By pegee (14), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 11:15 AM
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So sad an occurence.

Thankfully they were no passengers on board the bus.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 11:22 AM
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Avoid coming out east right now. The traffic is backed up to Westhampton and it's noon time. Poor lady and her family. Very sad.
By BeachQueen (8), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 25, 13 12:29 PM
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My condolences to the family of the woman. It was stated above, life is short, make it sweet.
By Terbear (77), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 12:32 PM
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So sad...
By localgirl (17), southampton on Jul 25, 13 1:18 PM
Need seat belts on busses and trains...imagine if the bus had been full...the driver has a belt the poor attendant must have gone flying......could have been much much worse
By Jude (2), Quogue on Jul 25, 13 1:33 PM
Can we put CCTV cameras on every telephone pole on CR 39? Maybe it could cut down on some of the time recreating car accidents. Each pole could have an east facing camera on one ide and a west facing camera on the other. Intersections could have a south facing camera on one side of the road and a north facing camera on the other side of the road.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 25, 13 1:43 PM
Let's just put a camera in every single car while we're at it.
By itsamazing (222), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 1:51 PM
Your average driver in the former USSR has a dashcam. It actually worked out well when that meteorite came screaming over a few months ago.

Or, if things go seriously awry on the road...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 4:39 PM
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What happens in a real emergency? This is just a traffic accident. What if everyone has to get off the island at the same time? Or if an overpass on the canal is closed? Just a cautious thought.

By LovinLife (60), East Quogue on Jul 25, 13 2:22 PM
You would die
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Jul 25, 13 6:54 PM
What is wrong with you LovinLife, a woman died it was not just a traffic accident.
By jacks (70), hampton bays on Jul 25, 13 3:19 PM
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oh and fyi LovinLife, this was a real emergency - I am sure her two children and family would agree
By jacks (70), hampton bays on Jul 25, 13 3:20 PM
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To LovinLife - If you are worried about an escape route - buy a boat!

With regard to this tragic accident - so sorry for this poor young woman and her family. Our prayers and thoughts are with you.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 3:23 PM
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Condolences to the family.

Regarding the long time for the road to be closed, the fact that one of the vehicles was a commercial bus may may raised the bar on the number of investigating agencies who had to sign off on the road being opened (after all evidence was collected), in addition to the possibility that the coroner coming from the west may have been delayed.

Similar to the bad crash near the Lobster Inn 1-2 years ago IMO.

Oh, and in reply to a comment or two above, ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 3:31 PM
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I'm not being snarky or disrespectful when I ask this - is it necessary for a coroner to pronounce a person deceased at the scene of the accident? I'm just wondering because I watched a Frontline show about coroners and it was pretty hair raising -- in many parts of the country, coroners are not even doctors. I know they are here and that I am allowed by NY state to pronounce a person in their home if that person has a terminal illness and has been under my care. So I was wondering if a doctor from ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 25, 13 3:58 PM
I thought a physician's assistant (PA), can pronounce in NY State as of 2 or 3 years ago.
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 13 4:24 PM
Prayers to the young lady that passed

What is a bus doing in the left lane? Ill tell you why...

I paced a Jitney going 73mph in the left lane of sunrise the other night. I can honestly say that their drivers are the most reckless, unprofessional commercial drivers I have ever encountered on the road. They are a close second behind fung wah bus and the meth head sand trucks. I spend about 3hrs a day on the LIE and 27 and obviously the buses are giant billboards. Maybe a bus ...more
By politcal pawn (120), Flanders on Jul 25, 13 6:33 PM
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It was the SUV on the wrong side of the road, you should read the article.
By Terbear (77), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 11:22 AM
So it's OK for you to go 73mph but not anyone else? Interesting...
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 11:40 AM
Please explain to me why it takes any medical professional with the proper credentials NINE HOURS to pronounce one person dead and the Town of Southampton to clear the road of an accident. It's absurd! There are multi-vehicle accidents with multiple fatalities all over Suffolk County on all roadways -- and yet only County Road 39 closes for such ridiculous amounts of time! This has nothing to do with disrespect for the young woman who lost her life, but rather a practical matter that I'd like explored. ...more
By EastEndWriter (5), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 8:02 PM
Had a friend who was a SH Village Police Officer. He told me that for a fatal accident it will take at least 6 hours for the on scene investigation to be completed. In addition to having to wait for the coroner, there are a tremendous number of measurements that have to be taken. I didn't get into all the details with him but I'm guessing the reason for all the measurements may have to do with insurance, lawsuits, etc.
By itsamazing (222), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 9:40 PM
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Just like the last major accident on 27/39 a commercial vehicle was involved. This means not just the town police, but DOT/NTSB are involved as well. Multiple agencies must respond to the scene, and each of them takes time to conduct their individual investigations. In case you missed it, 8 - 10 hours is the average time to complete all scene remediation, and investigation under circumstances as such. There is ALOT that goes into it, and some personnel have to commute here at least 40 minutes ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 8:22 AM
All well and good. But in most areas where there is a great deal of traffic, care is taken to divert traffic away from the accident area and to alert motorists of delays ahead (mobile traffic signs). If you know a major roadway is going to be closed for 6-9 hours, you should make an effort not to have people sitting in a car for that long. Imagine if it had been during the heat wave and elderly people or drivers with infants in the car were stuck for hours. It's a shame someone died, but it's more ...more
By Heinz57 (17), Water Mill on Jul 26, 13 10:33 AM
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Think about it the TRAFFIC unless they took a helicopter or a fast cigarette boat out to the accident of course it took time duh!
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 26, 13 4:57 PM
It's a bottleneck. Once you get to the canal nothing can change that via 39. or Montauk Highway as those are the only two ways in or out. Everyone going East or West has to pass along either route. An accident on one, or the other means only ONE way to divert traffic. No matter what, you have to cross the canal. PERIOD. Most of 27A doesn't connect to 39/27 through Shinnecock Hills except for the Sunrise exit ramp, Hill Station Rd., and Tuckahoe Road, not Lane. All three were USELESS under ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 5:54 PM
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Very sad. But. Those Jitney drivers need to slow those buses down. I've seen them cruise along the LIE at excessive speeds and weaving in and out of traffic. I pray the Police keep an eye on them especially on the LIE. If they have GPS on them the company must know and if they know they appear to ignore the speeds of the buses. I hope this gets thoroughly investigated.
By realistic (465), westhampton on Jul 25, 13 8:16 PM
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The driver of the SUV crossed over into the westbound lane and hit the bus head on...ummmm that much has already been determined.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 2, 13 3:12 PM
Was about 20-30 cars behind this when it happened. Gruesome indeed.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 13 9:32 PM
Why are you all blaming the jitney? It was the SUV that entered the opposing lane of traffic, not the bus. And does someone really think 73 mph in the passing lane on sunrise Higheay is lightning speed? I wish the other vehicles in the left lane on Sunrise were only going 73.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 25, 13 9:45 PM
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"Mr. Neely said the road closure, which spanned about nine hours, was necessary so the Suffolk County Medical Examiner could declare the driver of the SUV—29-year-old Carissa Castillo of Shirley—dead at the scene and so authorities could clear the road."

I did a search and found that a physician's assistant from the Office of the medical examiner has pronounced death at accident scenes. When I looked at the website of Suffolk County government, I see that all on-or-off-road ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 25, 13 10:14 PM
btdt, the length of time the road was closed was not only waiting for the medical examiner. It takes the officials time to do their measurements and accident reconstruction.
By MACK (50), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 8:11 AM
Guaranteed, she was looking at her darn precious cell.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 10:27 PM
A cheap shot IMO, and pure speculation it would appear. Attempting humor in this situation?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 6:23 AM
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By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Jul 26, 13 6:49 PM
Is it sad? Of course it is. There is a great chance that this accident may have been the result of a distracted driver. If in fact that turns out to be the case, which we may never know, then we should all be thankful that more innocent lives weren't destroyed. One does not simply veer into the opposite lane of travel for no apparent reason.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 7:33 PM
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So sad for this young mother to have lost her life so tragically. The only consoling thought that comes to mind is the belief that she may be in a better place. My condolences to her children, family and friends.
By V.Tomanoku (783), southampton on Jul 25, 13 10:42 PM
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The NTSB had to be called since a bus was involved. took the NTSB a few hours to show up and do their investigation in addition to the police investigations.
By Jaws (243), Amity Island on Jul 25, 13 10:42 PM
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The county had to pull money out of the ME's budget to staff the county health illegal alien clinics, that's why it takes hours for the PA's from the ME to show up and pronounce.
By politcal pawn (120), Flanders on Jul 25, 13 11:21 PM
P P that was a stupid uncaring comment.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 26, 13 5:07 PM
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CR 39 in SH is set up as though people are actually driving 35 mph. Thus, there are no dividers of any kind. At some point, there needs to be some sort of divider or bumps or something that will alert a distracted driver that they are heading into the oncoming lane of traffic. At 50 mph the cars, trucks and buses on the inside lane are threading a needle. For cars that are turning either from the outside lane or from the middle lane to cross traffic - they are putting their lives at risk just ...more
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Jul 26, 13 6:48 AM
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Good points, all. It is long-overdue time for traffic signals at most intersections from the Lobster Inn to the diner in SH, with a master computer system timing all activity, both vehicular and pedestrian. Sorry, but it has come to this IMO.

If ALL traffic on CR 39 was forced to travel at 35 MPH, and to move in "blocks," most accidents could be prevented, or at least minimized in terms of damage to lives and property.

In the meantime if ALL governmental and commercial vehicles ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 7:05 AM
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The lights already are timed to slow traffic down, and leave gaps to make left turns. People exceeding 45MPH between the college, and the old Squaw Hill Deli screws that up. Heck, they do that westbound anyway. Try leaving the light at Sandy Hollow, and see if you catch the light at Magee Street. Also, there are divots cut into the pavement in many places under the double yellow line.

Problem isn't the lights, or the road. The problem is the drivers.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 7:54 AM
ALL are problems IMO. A chain is only as strong as its weakest links. Fix them all as much as possible. At least improve the obvious weakest links.

I am talking about many more lights, more left signals, fewer left turns without a arrow, and so forth.

CONTROL -- and yes, slower times to get places, but fewer accidents, injuries and deaths.

Is our impatience to get places quickly more important than accidents and deaths like this?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 8:28 AM
Apparently the answer to that last question is: Yes.

If people just behave within reason and travel at a prudent speed, the road is designed to work and allow for left turns. It's a people problem, not a road problem.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 8:35 AM
"If" and "people problem" are the weak links in your chain of logic IMO.

We all need to wake up to the reality that people generally do NOT self-correct when their impatience and adrenaline kick in, especially in the summer out here.

The answer?

CONTROL them!

By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 11:08 AM
PBR, did you look at the map? it appears to me to have happened at the bridge over St. Andrews Road. No light or turn lane would be erected there.
It certainly is a tradgey one that could be solved if the authorities would all act together to make the train and village taxi vans the sensible answer. That young lady might be alive today if she'd had the alternitive.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 26, 13 5:20 PM
Could this be another tragedy that could have been prevented? Was she texting while driving......?
By communitymember (2), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 7:31 AM
This accident is so unfortunate but probably avoidable. The state recently cut rumble strips on the yellow line of rt 24 in Flanders. The county should of followed suit on cr 39 because it is a narrow Rd for four lanes. As far as the Jitney goes I have personally had them pass me in the left lane on CR 39 doing at least 70. I know the woman crossed the double yellow, but its just a matter of time before the jitney causes an accident at these speeds. The bus should have a black box on board, and ...more
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 26, 13 8:16 AM
See all comments above: NTSB, coroner, etc. etc.. all trying to reach the center of a big traffic jam.

The best solution is PREVENTION IMO, but it is not clear that people have the PATIENCE to accept taking more time to get places (see comments above).

If there is one theme which rings clear here, is it not impatience?

PS -- And yes, it may be a good time to move off LI before the big hurricane hits, or there is a major catastrophic event closer to NYC.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 8:34 AM
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There already are "rumble strips" cut into the double yellow.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 8:37 AM
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Where on 39 are there rumble strips besides one small area which is not near the accident scene? I think it's time that government officials think about taking the railroad tracks out and putting in a four lane highway. It will save energy and stop congestion. By the way I was just pased by a Ambassador bus going westbound on 39 at 10 15 doing at least 60!
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 26, 13 10:23 AM
They don't cut them into turning lanes.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 10:42 AM
Chief - the LIRR only runs along MTK for .77 miles... pretty sure that wouldn't solve anything
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 4:16 PM
along CR 39 (not MTK)
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 4:16 PM
There is really no more efficient means of transport than mass transportation, especially a diesel powered, electrically propelled train.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 6:16 PM
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It was a tragedy but the village and town police departments did little or nothing to help those trapped in traffic. What about phone alerts from the town? Why not post cops to "police" traffic at the big intersections on CR39 and in the Village of Southampton on Main Street. I think they should do this every morning and evening at the rush hour. Public safety never seems to be a concern of the police. Our governing officials need to take a good look at this situation (and a similar one happened ...more
By localcitizen (108), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 8:53 AM
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My condolences to this woman's family and young children. A true tragedy.

With respect to the fallout from the accident - I do find it curious that the Press semeed to be hours late in reporting the closure of the road. I'm sure plenty of people check this website before heading off to work and I didn't see anything until AFTER 9 AM (even though it was being widely reported on radio and tv).
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 9:09 AM
CHIEF PEARCE IS ON VACATION DURING FATAL MVA IN JULY!?!?! POLICE CHIEF SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TAKE VACATION IN THE SUMMER !!! PERIOD!!
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 10:03 AM
It wouldn't matter what time of year he was on vacation as you'd find someway to say he shouldn't be on vacation because of X. Whether you're for him or against him its a ridiculous statement.
By lursagirl (237), southampton on Jul 26, 13 3:50 PM
Interesting, it has been stated here that chief Wilson should not have been on vacation during hurricane sandy which happened in October as if he could have held back the flooding and called upon the heavens to prevent the east end from being hit by the storm. Maybe if chief Pearce was not on vacation during the high season the officers could have had better direction and not have had traffic balled up for roughly 9 hours. Traffic which during the summer season in the Hamptons is already difficult ...more
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 4:20 PM
That is why it is not the Chief and 80 cops, but the Chief. Lieutentants, and Sergeants. Its called a chain of command. When one is missing, the next fills in. Its that simple.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 4:44 PM
My point exactly. But I guess that only applies when it is ANY chief BUT Wilson. Thank you blank for clarifying that for me.
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 4:51 PM
Ditto -- both as to the Chief here, and former Chief Wilson during Sandy.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 4:53 PM
Clarification -- My Ditto was to blank!'s comment about the chain of command being there for a reason.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 4:54 PM
A lot of people speed up to "beat the light" at St Andrew's Rd. If you know the area, you know they are speeding up because of the light, but the traffic light is not visible from the area where people start speeding, because of the road curvature. If you are unfamiliar with the area, you might speed up as everyone around you is doing so, but not know that the roadway curves to the right. If distracted, you could wind up in oncoming traffic if you aren't following the curve.
It's not a long ...more
By Heinz57 (17), Water Mill on Jul 26, 13 10:18 AM
I held back for a while because no matter what I said would not bring the dead back. I reported to the jitney safety office 2 times in the last month that I was blown off the road by jitneys traveling in excess of 70 mph in that area. I had the opportunity to speak to a manager and reiterated same. if that bus had been going 35-40 would this accident been fatal? would it have occurred?
By rabbit (65), watermill on Jul 26, 13 11:21 AM
Not for nothing, but the report states she crossed into oncoming traffic. It could have been you, you, or you. And I know you never speed on that road.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 11:51 AM
My condolences to the family of this poor woman and my best wishes to the driver of the bus and the other person onboard (the attendant?). That being said, the Town Police dropped the ball on traffic control - AGAIN. It took me over 4 hours from Hampton Bays to the Village of Southampton. To have that much traffic winding up on Montauk Highway without any traffic control is absurd. The congestion at Montauk Highway and Canoe Place Road in HB was a nightmare and a carting company truck trying ...more
By MrsD (52), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 1:04 PM
Well, imagine if you were on the Sunrise, directed down Sebonac Rd.

Probably would have made the same time. Volume is volume, and it has to clear. There are only so many linear feet of road...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 9:51 PM
I have to add my voice to the critics of the police departments handling of the traffic situation. With five layers of police enforcement (State, County, Sheriff, Town, and Villages) I did not see anyone in law enforcement out there trying to manage the traffic situation. Motorists were left to fend for themselves in bumper to bumper traffic, trying to figure out which way was best to go. Not one cop at an intersection trying to manage gridlock. We were lucky that there were no secondary deaths ...more
By V.Tomanoku (783), southampton on Jul 26, 13 2:10 PM
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I'm sure if someone did a cost estimate of the amount of $$ lost by the traffic it would get a fire under someone's butt to come up with a better contigency plan.

I remember a few years ago when there was a fatal accident in Napeauge and it effectively prevented anyone from leaving the Montauk area for hours. That's understandable in that there's only one road - but still a nightmare. What happens if a boat strikes the Mtk Hwy. or Sunrise Hwy bridges and one of those roads needs to be ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 2:24 PM
All good points, but with each individual town board looking more and more like a hornets nest of dysfunction, imagine what a combined effort might look like!
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 2:31 PM
And what would the plan be?

A massive ferry? People driving down the wrong side of the road?

I'd LOVE to hear this "contingency plan"...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 9:52 PM
For starters having proper notification of the accident on sites like 27east. Perhaps having the Town supervisor urge through news outlets that non-essential trips eastbound (or westbound - whatever the case may be) be avoided (like during snow storms).

Another potential aid would be a rail/shuttle bus system. Provided there's adequate warning of the traffic jam, people could be urged to take the train from HB to SH or BH with shuttle busses taking people from the train stations to the ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 10:34 PM
Nope.

News 12 was all over this almost immediately.. And, most of your ideas should simply be common sense. However, how would the shuttle busses get to the station with all that traffic? They don't just sit in a garage out east, do they?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 27, 13 6:11 AM
Mr. Z's post below has a number of good observations with the basic theme being ADAPT.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 7:58 AM
That's why there *should* be a contigency plan Z. There obviously are busses both east and west of the canal (private and public). There wasn't traffic in say, Speonk or WH and there wasn't traffic in BH or EH like there was in parts of HB and SH.

I know it was all over News 12 and other outlets - but not the press which I'm assuming is a source many people view first thing in the morning.

And we both know Common Sense rarely prevails - so someone should put the ideas in writing. ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 13 10:05 AM
I remember when they first had "fixed" CR 39/27 they had police cars pacing the traffic. Now they go just as fast as everyother vehicle nd they aren't going 35 mph
By yadayada999 (1), southampton on Jul 26, 13 2:39 PM
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Who are all the gray haired guys who jump in their vehicles and put the blue lights on their dashboards? I see scores of these guys racing down Sunrise Highway highway to accident scenes on CR 39. Surely they can't all be of use at a scene with a deceased driver for 8 hours. Perhaps they could volunteer to help find a way to divert traffic.
Next time one of these day long traffic backups occurs, drivers should all band together and make multiple calls to all the police and fire departments in ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 26, 13 3:38 PM
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You can't be serious with your first sentence or two? The men (and women) who drive the cars with blue lights are all volunteer firefighters on their way to an emergency, which remains an emergency until declared otherwise, and they deserve our thanks and support for the tireless work they do for free, by the way.

Your more general points are worthy of consideration IMO.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 3:46 PM
They don't work for "free". They get all kinds of benefits and tax breaks.
By lucy2 (63), Southampton, NY on Jul 26, 13 9:14 PM
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The pittance of a tax break and so called benefits is not what attracts men and women to serve in that capacity.


You got some 'splainin to do Lucy
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 13 9:17 PM
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By SusieD (114), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 11:40 AM
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I am at a complete loss....
These men and women, regardless of hair color are part of a VOLUNTEER organization that is trying to help out the general public during their time of need. When their alerting devices are activated they respond to yours and anyone's aid NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
Weather or not there are Tax Breaks or Benefits, these men and women all have jobs and families that they leave at the drop of a hat to aid a complete stranger. they are sitting in the same traffic you are ...more
By MACK (50), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 8:30 AM
Well said, MACK.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 12:45 PM
There are 2 things that deserve a serious review in light of the last few summers. Three years ago wasn't just a ''bad summer for accidents''. It appears to be the beginning of a ''new normal'' out here insofar as fatalities on CR 39 in Tuckahoe are concerned. The Town of SH needs to review ways to increase the safety of the roadways and if necessary...protect them from themselves with whatever technology is available. Humans are driving, thus there will be accidents. Secondly the Town needs ...more
Jul 26, 13 5:02 PM appended by KevinLuss
bad grammar correction: to protect 'drivers' from themselves.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Jul 26, 13 5:02 PM
This seems like one of those times when the train and village van taxis look good. Just sensible thinking especially since people keep driving out to the east end knowing full well the traffic jams. It is now the time for all good men and women to acknowledge the fact there has to be some way to solve the problem.
Perhaps if that young mother had another way to get to work she would be alive today.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 26, 13 5:05 PM
Absolutely amazing how many hate-filled morons post on this site.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Jul 26, 13 6:48 PM
Thank you Witch Hazel.... and people should stop hiding behind false names, I'm sure if your name was print there would be a lot less posts as are above. So much false information.......
By bpcooke (12), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 9:19 PM
I see the same selfish, nescient reactions just like last June when last summer's head on at the merge happened.

It's a bottleneck. Once you get to the canal nothing can change that via 39, or Montauk Highway as those are the only two ways in or out unless you fly in via helicopter. Everyone going East or West has to pass along either route. An accident on one, or the other means only ONE way to divert traffic through the bottleneck. And frankly those of us who do know how to get around ...more
Jul 27, 13 10:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
If many of you out there haven't watched the extended Chopper 12 coverage, you should. Thoroughly. There was NO "alternate route" which was not bumper to bumper.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 26, 13 10:11 PM
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Very well said, Mr. Z. Your thorough post is an excellent overview, with the word "ADAPT" ringing out IMO.

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 6:33 AM
Mr Z, great post.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jul 28, 13 6:03 PM
Oh please Mr Z a 12 hr long traffic jam is unacceptable. Your wrong about the rumble strips and where the accident happened. The accident area had a double yellow line even in the turning area had a double yellow line which should of had rumble strips. Your right we need to adapt we need to take the Long Island Railroad tracks out and make an expressway to Montauk.The ignorant people here have thought for the last 30 years if we make it hard for people to come here they will stop coming. This isn't ...more
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 27, 13 8:20 AM
chief1, and where will your new road cross the canal?

Or are you proposing that we also build a new bridge, and if so where?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 8:59 AM
PS -- Has everyone considered the possibility that a 12-hour traffic jam might be nothing compared to the larger "inconvenience" if something catastrophic happens happens west of the canal?

What if the two bridges over the canal were both out of service, just for starters?

Do you have a plan for these possibilities, no matter how remote they may be?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 9:02 AM
3 bridges incl. LIRR.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 9:29 AM
PBR - we have bigger problems if there's a catastrophe resulting in all 3 bridges being out. At that point you better hope you know someone with a boat
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 13 10:08 AM
Chief - LIRR tracks are wide enough for ONE lane in ONE direction. Maybe if more people actually used the train to commute traffic wouldn't be such a problem
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 13 10:09 AM
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Chief, I never stated where the accident happened. Just mentioned they do exist. And, that double yellow median/turn lane is about half a lane wide.

Looking at the scene video, the Trailblazer, and the bus have very long skid marks. The rubber from the bus is in the right lane, which would mean the Trailblazer crossed almost two full lanes of traffic.

Somehow, I doubt rumble strips would have made any difference. My best guess for the cause is falling asleep at the wheel.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 27, 13 1:15 PM
The railroad right away is big enough for 4 lanes. Most of the traffic in the morning are trades. How would tradesmen carry their tools and equipment on a train? Plus after you got off the train how would you get to your destination? This ain't Manhattan. Its time we stop the ignorance and make a proper highway for the east end.
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 27, 13 11:43 AM
Please specify where the railroad "right-of-way" is big enough for 4 lanes (east of the canal, we assume you mean).
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 12:00 PM
Amtrak Auto Train?
Jul 27, 13 1:17 PM appended by Mr. Z
Hey chiefie, how about an elevated highway above the railroad tracks, with an exit ramp from 27 at the canal? I'm sure that would go over as big as tearing up the railroad tracks...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 27, 13 1:17 PM
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The north road on the north fork works great. Its just a matter of time before a new highway is built out of necessity. No one is taking mass transit around the Hamptons will never happen. Save energy, live and time. Hell I will pay a ten dollar toll to get to Montauk in twenty minutes.
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 28, 13 12:11 PM
You keep posting about a pipe dream IMO, and won't provide details about your vision. Where? New bridge? Cost?

As you may recall, the idea for a new highway was proposed -- and shot down -- decades ago.

Are you volunteering YOUR house for the first of thousands of Eminent Domain proceedings through VERY expensive housing (used to be farmland and woods), owned by VERY powerful people?

My goodness, just the litigation alone would take years, before the first shovel was in ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 12:23 PM
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I have long said that the only place left to build a proper highway would be above the train tracks. The area above the tracks and including the right of way is just wide enough for a highway and most of the surrounding area is not overly developed due to no one wanting to live on the tracks. Exit ramps could be placed near each train station. It would certainly cost a lot, but it could be eventually repaid with tolls. We could spend more time enjoying the Hamptons and less time sitting in traffic. ...more
By Brian Bailey (36), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 2:09 PM
Maybe you and chief1 should get together on this?

Please define your design parameters:

-- LIRR right-of-way -- please state existing width in feet (at its narrowest)

-- NYS Sunrise Hwy. Rte. 27 -- please state width of existing 4-lane roadbed including median -- from outside of emergency pull-over lane on one side to the outside of the similar lane on the other side.

-- Area needed for interchanges over each train station. In your mind, will the entire interchange ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 2:39 PM
PBR that's not how this game works. I got the ball rolling and now you're supposed to help it along, not roll it back to me. I'm just an idea man here. I know nothing about construction. I would offer suggestions but they would likely seem insulting to experts such as yourself.
By Brian Bailey (36), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 4:17 PM
Very well.

Your ball is a pipe dream.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 4:49 PM
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Nonsense BB. The easier you make it get here, the more will come.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jul 28, 13 6:02 PM
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I would like to congratulate the town board and Suffolk County on another horrific accident on the death trap known as Cty Rd 39. What was once a 2 lane road with shoulders is now a 4 and in some places 5 lane accident waiting to happen. While the trade parade was once contained nicely on a limited access highway it is now encouraged onto the backroads of Southampton with the new merge being at the entrance to Watermill. While you could once easily shop at the businesses along 39 now you have to ...more
By bird (817), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 10:35 PM
The Town Board is not responsible for the engineering of a county road. Spreading traffic over more, rather than fewer lanes should result in less vehicle confrontation particularly on a straight stretch of the road. Barring an unforeseen mechanical problem the cause of the accident unfortunately lies with those involved. I fail to recognize any influence from the easily villified "real estate interests".
By VOS (1224), WHB on Jul 27, 13 11:58 PM
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bird's general points are well taken IMO, regardless of which governmental agency is in the spotlight. We have a growing transportation problem on the East End, and one possible solution has been staring us in the face for ages.

Can you spell L I R R?

How many more deaths will it take for us to change?


Remember the East End Shuttle experiment a couple of years ago for the trade-parade commute? It was a great success but the public did not clamor loudly ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 8:02 AM
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It's not a death trap if everyone actually drives the recommended speed limit. Too bad zero drivers do lol
By Brian Bailey (36), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 2:11 PM
We put a man on the moon 40 years ago a highway to Montauk is nothing. The experiment of difficult travel to stop travelers to the Hamptons has been a failure.Thank GOODNESS people didn't listen to you 40 years ago when they built the sunrise Hwy or the trade parade would start in Patchogue. Getting a right of way to Montauk is no problem, and the process should be started immediately.
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 28, 13 5:28 PM
You've got a lot of cogliones telling anyone they aren't "smart"...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 28, 13 8:01 PM
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It would be easier to build the Shirley to Boston Causeway.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle
By Nero (290), Sag Harbor on Jul 29, 13 7:01 AM
Any clue as to what a project of that magnitude would cost?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 11:08 AM
It is a death trap. No matter how many accidents are on this stretch of road memories are short. No one obeys the speed limit. No one learns from this. Sitting at the light at Magee Street this afternoon I watched scores of cars heading west ALL going well over 40mph. This last fatality was just 4 days ago. Very sad, condolences to all her family and friends:(
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Jul 28, 13 6:23 PM
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How come police, fire dept, DOT and NTSB investigation results are never released to the public? 27 East will report the accident, but will they ever publish if speed was a factor, was there something amiss with the roadway, was the driver's cellphone checked? Close own roadways for 8-12 hours on the public dime to do a passel of investigations, then don't bother to tell the public what the findings of those investigations are. I think we deserve to know. We've paid for it in more ways than one.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 28, 13 7:59 PM
The Chopper 12 video spoke volumes.

The bus was in the right lane westbound, and the Trailblazer crossed multiple lanes of traffic.

The information will be public record after insurance investigation, and any litigation is completed. Find the information once it's released, or FOIL it if such a demand exists for it.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 28, 13 8:04 PM
A) What Z Said

B) The reason the road was closed so long was because it involved a fatality

C) What would be your threshold for vehicle accident update reports? Should there be a whole section in the newspaper dedicated to reporting the outcome of any and all vehicle accident investigations?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 9:31 AM
Sorry Mr Z. I have to disagree. I have not seen the video, but if you go to the scene, you can see where the "point of impact" was. It is clearly in the left lane, marked in bright fluorescent spray paint with "POI". The two vehicle may have continued west bound for a bit and moved to the right, depending on speed, bus drivers response, etc.
Either way, those trying to place ANY blame on the bus based on having previously seen them speed is ridiculous.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 9:44 AM
The photos above do seem to show this IMO. [lots of sand in the left westbound lane]

And Ditto to blank! about linking Jitney speeding (if any) to this accident.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 9:50 AM
The results of an investigation are a matter of public record. You want the info, FOIL it.
Mr Z. it is open to FOIL once the investigation is done, not after any litigation, which in some cases , could be years.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 10:14 AM
Blank, I do have to beg to differ.

If you look not only at the road right at the St. Andrews intersection, and the overhead view from the chopper about halfway through when the cameraman zooms quickly in, and out, there are some MAJOR dualie skid marks in the right lane.
Jul 29, 13 8:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
Chopper 12 video at the 9:49 mark. You'll see what I'm talking about. The driver probably veered to the left, hoping the oncoming vehicle would miss the bus and travel past him.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 29, 13 8:26 PM
Thanks for the catch at 9:49, Z, but IMO your assumption that the bus made the skid marks in the right lane is incorrect. Those marks run in a very straight line, and the right ones (closest to the white line on the right) actually veer slightly to the right at their west end IMO. Watch the video full screen and pause the action at 9:49 for a good view.

It would have been nearly physically impossible for the bus to have made the marks in the right lane, and then switch lanes quickly to ...more
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By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 30, 13 5:54 AM
One of the first responders indicated that the bus continued for 100 feet after the POI
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Jul 30, 13 5:59 AM
Mr Z, I just now got a chance to view the video. I'm sticking to my original opinion. I drove by the scene a few times today on business east. The point of impact is clearly in the left lane just before the end of the skid marks that you refer to. If you are in the area, look in the left lane. As of now you can see where the front ends of one or both vehicles hit the pavement upon impact. The skid marks could be from anything, as I noted numerous, dualies and otherwise, going uo to the light at ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 13 11:02 PM
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Yep, I'll have to go with that opinion. At that time of day of the accident, westbound volume would be "average". Hopefully looking on the bright side, it may have been a good thing it was a bus, and not another four wheeler. More than one life may have been lost in that case.

I do have to say I like the idea of jersey barriers from Tuckahoe Road, to at least St. Andrews.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 31, 13 6:54 AM
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At the risk of being a stuck record here, if the speed limit was VERY STRICTLY regulated at 35 MPH (methodology TBD), accidents would be reduced significantly. In the late 50's and early 60's did you ever drive north on Rte. 5 in Connecticut from south of Hartford to the city center (before the Interstate)? This was a very busy commuter corridor, but the many lights were all timed so that blocks of traffic could move straight through at 35 MPH +/-.

Build it and they will come?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 7:48 AM
PS -- One of the deleted posts above referred to the empty LIRR tracks visible in most of the video, just begging to be used more productively IMO.

Imagine the East End Shuttle scoot trains which could have been busily ferrying stranded motorists east and west all day.

Build it and they will come!
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 7:51 AM
As it has been so aptly pointed out by others besides myself, this is a PEOPLE problem, not a ROAD problem.

As a member of the "million mile club", I have seen far more stupidity than average. Just dwell on that for a bit...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Jul 28, 13 8:25 PM
That's not exactly an earth shattering revelation and nobody should argue that. However, there is no mechanism for fixing stupidity and there is no jurisdiction over individual bad judgement. But there are people charged with enforcing existing speed limits and departments in charge of the roads. These people need to review the existing situation to see if there are improvements that would help to decrease average speed and saves lives. if you are suggesting that the CR39 is perfect and that ...more
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Jul 29, 13 7:20 AM
You have missed most of Z's point IMO (incl. all posts above and in previous articles), and may have actually illustrated his last one!
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 8:31 AM
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again another sad accident and still nothing getting done.
again im gonna suggest jersey barriers from lobster inn to 7-11 .again another life would have been saved. Also who ever wasted millions on the new 3 lane make over did a lousey planning job it should have been 4 lanes plenty of room for one more lane . why all these vehicles must sit in traffic all day is just stupid
By baymen (26), hamptonbays on Jul 28, 13 9:27 PM
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For starters, the Supervisor could issue an Executive Order that ALL SHT vehicles are to travel the speed limit on ALL roads, including CR39 and Noyac Road, and that violation of the order will result in disciplinary action against the SHT employee driver.

Law enforcement vehicles would be covered, except those responding to an actual emergency with their red/blue rooftop lights activated.

Leadership requires breaking the mold once in a while, and with the November Ejections [sic] ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 6:47 AM
And how do you know if the vehicles are traveling at the appropriate speed? Aside from cop cars - Town cars don't have GPS. Do you propose that the cops pull over SHT employees "speeding"? We know that will never happen.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 9:29 AM
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"Leadership"
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 9:47 AM
Seems cr 39 is closed again after 7 11 to David Whites La. Again no traffic control but they had eight cop cars at the Boardy Barn last night.. Who the heck is running the PD!!!!!!!!
By chief1 (2768), southampton on Jul 29, 13 7:11 AM
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Breaking News banner on home page.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 8:33 AM
New article. Jitney and dump truck early this morning.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 8:53 AM
This accident was in the village. Boardy Barn is in the Town. Not saying it's right - but they're different PD's
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 9:27 AM
Once again, Chief hits a home run. The road was closed due to an accident at Hampton Jitney. If the road is closed, all you need is flares blocking it off.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 9:46 AM
Does the Village line stop at 39a, or does it run behind the Jitney? As a practical matter, SHT PD usually leads or helps in spots like this, don't they?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 9:46 AM
Interesting, it looks like the Village's northern boundary runs along the LIRR tracks to the east of David Whites Lane, and then goes diagonally to the WNW, meeting CR 39a at about the old Healey's Drive-in, then continues along the north side of 39a to the 7-11 intersection. Most of Mariner Drive is therefore in the Village (think real estate taxes?), and the crash site this morning is apparently only in Southampton Town IMO.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 9:57 AM
Just looked at the map myself... that's strange. Looks like som gerrymandering to me! Chief, please accept my apologies - looks like this was in SHT not the village.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 29, 13 10:15 AM
OT -- The area north of the tracks incl. Mariner Drive may have had to be re-zoned Light Industrial (and annexed to the Village?) in the 1960's +/-, and certain people in the Village benefited greatly from this, as the area was a potato field at the time. It would be interesting to check the deed transfers around this time IMO.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 12:21 PM
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