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Aug 22, 2014 5:16 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

KKK Recruitment Material Distributed Throughout Hampton Bays

Aug 26, 2014 3:18 PM

When E.J. Lopez walked down the driveway of his Hampton Bays summer home on Friday morning to retrieve his mail, he was dismayed to find a plastic bag at the foot of his driveway. It contained three pieces of Starburst candy—and a pamphlet urging him to join the Ku Klux Klan.

Mr. Lopez and dozens of his neighbors on Columbine Avenue and nearby Washington Heights Avenue were the latest recipients of a weeks-long campaign to recruit Hampton Bays residents to the North Carolina-based Loyal White Knights chapter of the KKK.

“It’s kind of embarrassing, in a way,” Mr. Lopez said on Friday. “I would never want to think of Hampton Bays having that kind of mentality.”

The packet includes a pamphlet labeled “A [sic] Introduction to The Platform and Principles Of The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan,” which outlines the white supremacist group’s ideology. It maintains that borders should be closed to anyone who isn’t a white European, that the United States should promote “our unique European (White) culture,” and that homosexuality and abortion should be made illegal.

Robert Jones, Grand Dragon of the KKK in North Carolina, said klansmen throughout the country have been instructed to recruit more members to combat illegal immigration, although he admitted that he was not aware of the specific activity in Hampton Bays prior to being notified by The Press.

Mr. Jones said the main KKK stronghold in New York is located in Buffalo, although he declined to identify the leader of that chapter, known as an Exalted Cyclops, stating, “We don’t give out names—that’s why they call us ‘The Invisible Empire.’”

With at least one chapter in each of 38 states, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based organization aimed at combating bigotry, the Loyal White Knights are one of the more prolific branches of the KKK, an organization known historically for using intimidation and violence against minorities, particularly blacks.

Although Mr. Jones said he believes all gays should be killed, and he expressed a desire for a second American Civil War to take place during his lifetime, he maintains that the KKK is a non-violent organization, saying, “We don’t really hate no race—we just hate what they do.”

Also included in the packets distributed in Hampton Bays were applications to join the organization and a crude piece of propaganda that appears to depict caricatures of a Jewish man, a black man and a Hispanic man topped by a headline reading, “Beware!” There is also text underneath stating: “We want your jobs—we want your homes—we want your country.”

The Southampton Town Police first got word of the passive recruitment effort in late July, when residents of Fanning Avenue reported receiving the informational pamphlet. One Fanning Avenue resident reported seeing two white, middle-aged men posting pamphlets on people’s mailboxes during the middle of the day on July 19.

Town Police Sergeant Todd Bennett, who represents the department on the Southampton Town Anti-Bias Task Force, said the department has received several other complaints of KKK recruitment material being distributed throughout the hamlet, and has notified the Suffolk County Police Hate Crimes Unit. Town Police said they weren’t aware of any similar efforts going on anywhere other than Hampton Bays.

Sgt. Bennett also said this week that police did not announce the previous incidents publicly because they have spent the past month trying to track and identify the trend. He said it was unclear who is distributing the literature or what relation, if any, they actually have to the KKK, although he said whoever is doing it does not seem to be targeting specific homes but rather distributing their information widely to entire blocks at time.

Even if police were able to identify the person or persons responsible for distributing the material, they could not charge them with a crime—the literature constitutes free speech and is protected by the First Amendment, according to authorities.

The packets are being left outside mailboxes, typically on nearby driveways, or left hanging from mailboxes, according to those who have been receiving them. The literature contains no direct threats to any one group, nor does it explicitly advocate violence.

“It’s a brochure, no different than anyone else’s. It’s protected as free speech,” Sgt. Bennett said. “But we still want to know why they’re being put out. It doesn’t seem to be targeting any specific group.”

It is illegal, however, for non-postal employees to place materials that do not contain postage inside mailboxes.

Lisa Ancona, who frequently stays with her boyfriend in his home on Columbine Avenue, said she was appalled when she saw the packet that had been left in her driveway. “I just think it’s disgusting,” she said. “It’s 2014—this shouldn’t be happening.”

Paul Zeiser, a 22-year resident of Hampton Bays, said he’s never seen anything like it, although he has heard some people in the area, particularly those in the contracting and construction industries, complain about the influx of immigrants and migrant workers into the area, which he suspects is why Hampton Bays has been targeted.

Mr. Zeiser said he planned on sending the packet to U.S. Representative Tim Bishop to see if the congressman could address the issue, although Mr. Zeiser said he’s not particularly concerned about the Klan gaining a big following in this area. “They look like a desperate organization,” he said. “They’re clearly looking for members to give them money.”

The application says there is an initial fee of $20 and a monthly membership fee of $10.

Shirley Centeno, who has lived on Columbine Avenue for five years, was shocked when she was handed a copy of the material sitting at the end of her driveway by a reporter. “Oh, my God,” she repeatedly gasped as she read through the material for the first time.

Ms. Centeno said the pamphlets were disconcerting because of the violent history of the KKK, which has included acts of violence and the murder of African-Americans in the South.

“I’ve never seen anything like this before—this is not right,” she said. “This is, like, a really good neighborhood.”

Mr. Lopez, who has owned his home on Columbine Avenue with his husband, Julio, since 2007, said he has never felt any racial tension in his neighborhood, and in fact has always viewed it to be an eclectic mix of people who seem to get along well. Because of this, Mr. Lopez continued, he was curious as to why the KKK would seek members in the community.

“Where we live is a very diverse area,” he said, “so you’re not gonna attract too many Nazis.”

Mr. Lopez said while he didn’t feel personally targeted or threatened by the material, he remains concerned for his neighbors, particularly those who are immigrants from Latin America.

Mr. Jones said the purpose of the recruitment campaign is not meant to threaten non-whites or non-Christians, or anyone else not accepted by the KKK—although he does not mind if that happens. “I don’t care if I offend a homosexual by spreading the word and practicing free speech,” he said. “It’s not to threaten to them. It’s to wake up more white Christians to defend our country.

“These homosexuals,” he continued, “the only reason they’re alive is because our government refuses to kill them, so I don’t care if I offend them.”

The packet gives an address for the organization in Pelham, North Carolina, as well as a “Klan Hot line” number that directs callers to an outgoing message from Mr. Jones that celebrates the recent killing of an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, by local police, and also urges whites to arm themselves. “If it ain’t white, it ain’t right. White power,” the message ends.

Sgt. Bennett said there have been previous instances in which inflammatory literature has been distributed in Hampton Bays, as well as in other parts of Southampton Town, but never with the same sort of volume.

“We’ve had different pamphlets, not just the KKK. It has popped up in the past, just not to this extent,” he said. “They’ll hit one street, then move on to another in a different part of town.”

Town Police will continue to track the distribution of the materials, Sgt. Bennett said, urging anyone who receives a packet, or has any information on them, to contact him directly at (631) 702-2227.

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Can they fine them for littering?
By LRai (1), New York on Aug 22, 14 5:46 PM
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By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Aug 26, 14 2:23 PM
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By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Aug 27, 14 6:51 AM
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By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on Aug 27, 14 9:55 AM
"although he has heard some people in the area, particularly those in the contracting and construction industries, complain about the influx of immigrants and migrant workers into the area, which he suspects is why Hampton Bays has been targeted."

The nerve of those roofers, carpenters and masons for complaining about seeing their livelihoods destroyed by illegal aliens not burdened by things like income taxes and insurance. Just doing the jobs Americans won't, right?
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Aug 22, 14 5:58 PM
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By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 22, 14 6:33 PM
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Dear Moron, Undocumented persons do pay taxes. They just get a tax ID. They also pay sales tax, and they cut your lawn, wash dishes in restaurant and other sundry jobs that Long Islanders won't do.

I found one of the brochures on a mailbox at the end of Bay Avenue East.
By KathleenKettles (4), Woodside, New York on Aug 22, 14 6:33 PM
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Stop reading Newsday and the NY Times and open your eyes, you have a distorted view of what's actually going on - some pay taxes many, many do not. They can work for lower wages because they don't have they same expenses (like insurance). Many of them are nice hard working people-and so are a lot of the people who have lost their jobs to illegals who work for cash at a lower rate than American citizens are able to.
By Avatar (15), Westhampton Beach on Aug 22, 14 7:10 PM
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What should I read genius - The Post? No one is losing a job to an illegal if the contractor is willing to pay union rates. Immigrants are the backbone of a service economy which doesn't pay union rates or offer pensions and insurance.
By KathleenKettles (4), Woodside, New York on Aug 22, 14 10:58 PM
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I agree there is no place for any of these groups in hampton bays be it la razza, black panthers, the white knights or ms-13.

if these immigrants are legal and live one family per single family house they have just as many rights as anyone else.
wouldn't you agree kkettles
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Aug 23, 14 12:14 AM
Madam It amazes me how desensitized your publications of "choice" have made you? You say the word Illegal like it is something other than just that (Illegal)

You seem to have a problem with contractors (cowboys) and champion unions.Some of us feel corrupt unions and there unrealistic pensions are the problem in the first place.

these "Illegals" your word not mine, Have a disproportionate amount of children in the school district compared to the homes supposedly occupied by Spanish ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 23, 14 12:30 AM
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By KathleenKettles (4), Woodside, New York on Aug 23, 14 10:03 AM
First, I'm not even sure what your comment means, but I'll take a guess. I didn't say anything about what my publications of choice were and I never said I had a problem with contractors or unions, nor dd I use the work "illegal." You did. I pay Town of Southampton taxes in HB so I know they are much higher than other areas in the Town and that is an issue particularly because my kids are grown and never used any of the Southampton Town schools.
By KathleenKettles (4), Woodside, New York on Aug 23, 14 10:03 AM
pssst, they have those rights even if they live in an illegal garage apartment with 36 other people.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 23, 14 1:08 PM
"these "Illegals" your word not mine, Have a disproportionate amount of children in the school district compared to the homes supposedly occupied by Spanish family's. Do the math genius" (sic)

Please explain the math here and let us know your source for the information. If, however, this is just something you have fabricated, like much of what you say, just disregard this post.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Aug 23, 14 11:01 PM
The New York State School Tax Relief Program (STAR) provides New York homeowners with partial exemptions from school property taxes. If you earn less than $500,000 and own and live in your home, you are probably eligible for the STAR exemption.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 26, 14 1:22 PM
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By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 22, 14 7:34 PM
Once upon a time the KKK was very active in Hampton Bays as was Eastport. I recall a home being burned down because the owners were black.
By sgt202 (75), Hampton Bays on Aug 22, 14 7:48 PM
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The Klan -- may its name be forever reviled -- has a long history all over Long Island. Back in the day, they targeted not just Jews, Blacks and Hispanics, but Catholics and recent immigrants of any nationality, and they included not just people in the building trades, but businessmen, politicians and judges. In the 1920s and 1930s, it was the shame of Long Island that membership in the Klan was the way to get ahead in many of our communities.

This really touches a chord. Unlikely as ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Aug 22, 14 10:00 PM
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By islander6615 (133), hampton bays on Aug 23, 14 12:50 AM
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By FoReel (18), Hampton Bays on Aug 23, 14 1:49 AM
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By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 23, 14 2:30 AM
U HAVE AN ANSWER TO WHY HB
JUST READ ABOVE COMMENTS.

THE KKK WAS IN HB BURNING CROSSES BACK IN THE DAY.

NEVER FORGET.
By youteast (11), East Hampton on Aug 23, 14 6:58 AM
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It's important to remember that the material distributed was anti sematic and anti gay as well. We have Jewish neighbors who were afraid to speak with the press because they felt targeted. For some of the older residents this brings back horrible memories. I'd like to remind people that not everyone with a Spanish name or dark skin is an illegal alien, for heaven sake I'm Spanish and I don't even speak Spanish , nor has anyone in my family for generations.This isn't about illegal aliens ...its about ...more
By EJ Lopez (1), Hampton Bays on Aug 23, 14 7:34 AM
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By EJ Lopez (1), Hampton Bays on Aug 23, 14 7:54 AM
HB was a hotbed of Klan activity as late as the early 60's. Thank God that is in the past.Kettles: UNION WAGES??? Most business here are , thankfully, NOT UNION!!! The builders, plumbers, electricians, painters and landscapers here are independent small businesses with no use for the thuggery , corruption , graft and expense that comes with dealing with unions!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 23, 14 8:30 AM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 24, 14 5:01 PM
I don't know of any union builders here on the East End, thank GOD! Why should an owner be held hostage by a gang of union thugs when it comes to negotiating compensation with his , or her, employees? True , at one time unions served a purpose, but that time has long passed in this day and age all they do is squeeze the owners and raise the price of whatever they do, public sector or private their days are numbered. I'll refrain from joining you in the gutter in regard to the personal insults.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 24, 14 5:58 PM
... the three pieces of Starburst candy shows these guys are smart. Hershey's Kisses would have melted.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Aug 23, 14 9:16 AM
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we don't want the unions or the kkk in hb they are both equally not welcome !

a fair days work for a fair days pay, equal rights for all LEGAL citizens no matter what race or gender,

close the bordy barn,

fix the cpi

enforce one family to one house laws !

proof of address needed to attend HB schools

the county must stop the disproportionate locating of section 8 housing in our community. We got rid of the welfare motel and now it seems they ...more
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Aug 23, 14 11:47 AM
The county must stop? Ummm don't you mean the landlords should stop accepting section 8? The county can't force a landlord to accept section 8.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 26, 14 1:27 PM
wow
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 23, 14 1:10 PM
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Starburst Candy my favorite.The other material I will but in the garbage.I notice a number of Carolina (North and South) licence plates in this area.I hope Southamptons Finest will get to the bottom of this.
By watchdog1 (543), Southampton on Aug 23, 14 4:40 PM
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By watchdog1 (543), Southampton on Aug 23, 14 4:42 PM
Capt America should be banned from here for using a picture of someone not him
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Aug 23, 14 4:46 PM
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The carolona plate are ironically the illegal s
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 23, 14 5:13 PM
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By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Aug 24, 14 9:03 AM
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SO is the popo supposed to stop anyone from North Carolina just for the heck of it?

And those poor fellers from carolona, they best be on the lookout.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 24, 14 4:38 PM
Hate has never cured anything.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 24, 14 5:09 PM
I can not be affiliated with any group that promotes both racism and tooth decay.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 24, 14 6:00 PM
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Anything can be solved with the truth and getting to root cause...precisely why relations will never be solved as long as Jackson, Sharpton, Obama and Holder are the role models...period...Love Ben Carson - he seeks truth...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 24, 14 9:06 PM
I know Blank the dozens of little foreign cars in the police impound are not from illegals with Carolina plates. Its just an illusion of mine.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 25, 14 1:23 AM
Disgusting and despicable. And I'm not surprised to find many of their supporters on this page.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 25, 14 11:16 AM
Looks like it came with two Jolly Ranchers and one Starburst candy, not three Starburst, as reported.
By paulampeterson (9), Southampton on Aug 25, 14 11:35 AM
I actually find this super funny. This day in age and KKK are still around and the best part: oh, join us and we will give you candy. Plus we charge a monthly membership SERIOUSLY?? LMFAO These people are just stuck in Stupidville and won't be leaving any time soon! But lets just laugh at them because if you get mad, you are making then feel satisfied they got under your skin.
By LovedHerTown (132), southampton on Aug 25, 14 12:15 PM
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By Necrobutcher, Hampton Bays on Aug 25, 14 1:24 PM
The Klan does not belong in H.B.The Klan needs to go home and call it quits.I am white.We do not need white power and all this other garbage that go's with the Klan.
Some people of minorities and some whites also need to start respecting other people.You respect people and be respectful good things will come your way.Walk around with your underwear showing and acting like a thug or just acting like a thug and expecting people to give you respect gives groups like the Klan the means ...more
By velcros69 (10), Rockledge on Aug 25, 14 9:16 PM
Old white Christian racists will die out soon enough
By VargVikernes (2), Southampton on Aug 25, 14 9:20 PM
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be careful what you wish for, Imagine what that world would be like.
Aug 26, 14 9:01 AM appended by 27dan
not the racist part
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 26, 14 9:01 AM
Looks like 27 dan,big fresh, cap america,joe hampton, they call me, undocumented den have taking their business mainstream.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Aug 26, 14 9:02 AM
The White House sent three officials to attend Monday's funeral for Michael Brown in St. Louis -- three more than it sent for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral last year.

absolutely disgraceful
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 26, 14 9:06 AM
Sounds like he never used the word "racist"

Also, the aborigine people would probably disagree with the term "European settlers". More like... convicts
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Aug 26, 14 11:03 AM
Lol. Her own people didn't even like her. Why would we? Get a clue.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 26, 14 4:45 PM
Phil are saying Michael Brown was an innocent guy, and wasn't a thug? Phil are you saying Michael Brown having the store manager by the neck is ok? Lets cut the BS this guy wad a thug normal law abiding citizens don't act like Michael Brown. WARNING If you want to rob people and have no respect for the law and society you could get shot!
I might not agree with cops and their salaries but there is NO reason to not have respect for the law and their defense of it!
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 26, 14 10:58 AM
Did the officer know that Michael Brown had just committed a crime when he confronted him for walking down the middle of the street? According to all accounts the officer did not make the connection until after the fact. Bottom line, more than one person witnessed the shooting and they all say his hands were up while the officer continued to shoot. Did you know that this officer came to SLCPD after the department he worked for was disolved because its relationship with the community it sereved ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 26, 14 1:57 PM
to philathome:

I see numerous acts by Brown on that video that are evidence of a crime. Whether or not this is the case will eventually be proven. But contending that his behavior was innocuous is just silly and weakens your argument generally.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 26, 14 6:56 PM
Doesn't matter it provides tons of circumstantial evidence on his character. Stop playing us as fools. We saw enough to form a logical opinion of this bully thug of a man
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 27, 14 11:59 AM
And those rallies, parades and marches took place on Long Island too. I have seen photos of that taking place in Eastport. I have found living in the South and having grown up in HB that the racism in the North far exceeds that in the modern South. Northerners just cant seem to admit that they are fallible.
By Baymen87 (135), Lugoff, SC on Aug 26, 14 11:56 AM
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By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Aug 26, 14 12:19 PM
So true.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Aug 26, 14 1:58 PM
Oh please Brown was a thug he wasn't an innocent victim
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 26, 14 2:42 PM
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By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Aug 27, 14 3:21 AM
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By MACDADDY (49), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 26, 14 6:49 PM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 27, 14 6:39 AM
We don't need to feed anything there is a surveillance tape that accomplishes that
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Aug 27, 14 7:14 AM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 27, 14 7:17 AM
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By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 27, 14 7:26 AM
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By chief1 (2800), southampton on Aug 27, 14 8:17 AM
Just look at how coddled this subject is the press wont even allow a discussion to transpire
By They call me (2826), southampton on Aug 27, 14 11:52 AM
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By VargVikernes (2), Southampton on Aug 27, 14 1:48 PM
No human being is illegal, undocumented maybe, but never illegal. Stop being so selfish and try to think globally, as a species. We are all human beings and we all deserve the same rights and opportunities. Have we forgotten so quickly what this country was founded on? Freedom from persecution. Hate groups like the KKK will continue to exist as long as we continue to think divisively and verbally persecute others. Calling someone 'illegal' is verbal persecution, whether it's done purposefully ...more
By sintantrix (5), Jamesport on Aug 30, 14 3:01 PM
What a bunch of crap. Yes, illegal, is illegal, as defined by...law. While we are all human beings (and "deserve the same rights"), that does not mean that we as a country have to or should provide that opportunity. Frankly, it's an unsustainable goal.

That poem you've recited was written exactly to address, here it comes, LEGAL immigration which the US is (to its own detriment) already doing through law established in 1965 and the end result, chain migration. Most other countries manage ...more
Aug 30, 14 5:18 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Here's an idea. Don't come here illegally and the law won't define you as such. Problem solved.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Aug 30, 14 5:18 PM
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This country was not founded on people coming here and taking vantage of the system. Our ancestors didn't come here work for cash which they then sent back to their old countries. They didn't come here and live off the government dime, taxing our health care system, our school system. They didn't expect to be handed things that citizens work their asses off for. Not saying that's the case with all of them, but open your eyes. Go to Southampton hospital emergency room, go to your local school ...more
By bubby (236), southampton on Aug 30, 14 7:11 PM
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My eyes are wide open, which is why I see the broader issue while it seems you see only a small part. I grew up here and know very well the changes that have happened, I have travelled this country and lived in many states, I have also travelled to and lived in different countries and spent time getting to know people of all kinds. If we stop marginalizing other humans regionally, it will foster global acceptance and the ability to help others without sacrificing or suffering in our personal lives. ...more
By sintantrix (5), Jamesport on Aug 30, 14 8:33 PM
The black community must wake up to the illegal alien onslaught to their future an those perpetrating their continued unrelenting and unfair competion for jobs.
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Aug 30, 14 9:06 PM
You are incorrect in your assumption, I was not alluding to rights being conferred where none exist. Just because I believe all humans deserve the same rights and opportunities does not mean I believe this country has an obligation to provide them. I believe it is our obligation as humans to extend compassion, courtesy, respect, and open communication to other humans. These are not rights that need to be conferred, these are the means to ensure our survival as a species. Treating people with ...more
By sintantrix (5), Jamesport on Aug 31, 14 5:07 AM
Sure.

Because this country has NEVER overthrown a democracy and re-installed a monarchy, or installed a dictator...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 14 8:25 AM
"You’re a deep thinking coexister ideologue who believes with every ounce of your liberal soul the United States has wronged the world."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 12:59 PM
Huh?
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Sep 5, 14 1:33 PM
If I were president, I would not be arming ISIS terrorists in Syria like obama is doing,

We should be hunting down ISIS terrorist scum ourselves. 10 years of war and within a few months terrorists animals retake half the region and murder Innocent women and children by the thousands. WTF who is in charge of our lack of response anyway?

Surly the "JV Team" taking over and spreading this caliphate could not be part of this administrations "Arab Spring" So maybe its time they admit ...more
Aug 30, 14 8:49 PM appended by 27dan
"I will stand with them [Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." -- Barack Obama
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 30, 14 8:49 PM
"we should be hunting...." The Armed Forces recruiting offices are on Main Street in Riverhead.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 14 8:54 PM
to 27dan:

Here's the quote to which you refer, from "The Audacity of Hope":

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 30, 14 11:13 PM
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No, just the radical, sharia,caliphate suporting extreme ones
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 31, 14 12:47 AM
Oh please the mans foreign policy (Including the unsecured border) is a complete FAILURE. Just ask Dianne Feinstein or Hillary Clinton

He has weakened our country to a point of in dangering us all!
Aug 31, 14 1:15 PM appended by joe hampton
endangering
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Aug 31, 14 1:15 PM
to dan hampton:

What, in god's name, are you are talking about?

There has been no degradation of the intelligence oversight of immigrants, documented or undocumented.

The fact that underage illegal immigrants from Central America have flooded our ports of entry in response to the (unfunded) Bush era law requiring judicial oversight of youths claiming refugee status has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with ISIL.

If ever there was an example of "booboisee" opinion, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 31, 14 3:02 PM
ISIS not ISIL
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Sep 1, 14 12:33 AM
Response to Mr. Snerdley: I never said our country had to provide that opportunity and I agree that it is an unsustainable goal using the governmental systems we currently have in place. I pity your small vision and misunderstanding of human rights. You are missing the broader meaning of that poem. I did not cite it to suggest that it is America's job to take care of everyone, I cited it to remind people of the responsibility we have towards our fellow humans to come to their aid in times of ...more
By sintantrix (5), Jamesport on Aug 31, 14 3:48 AM
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So tell me, how specifically would you like to change the "governmental systems we currently have in place?” I’m all ears. What form of governmental system would you like to change it to that would solve the persecution plight of the world?

I'd also like to know more about the "solution that satisfies the needs of all" you mention. How would you make this happen given the corner you’ve painted yourself into whereby “you never said the US should provide the opportunity”? ...more
Aug 31, 14 2:20 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
sintantrix, you are speaking out of both sides on your mouth/PC. You most certainly did say our country had to provide the opportunity - you did it through the reciting of the New Colossus poem.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Aug 31, 14 2:20 PM
If you read my response clearly, you would understand why I cited the poem and would not have made your appended statement. I did not contradict myself. If I had the solutions, I would have shared them already. I am not an economist or a policy-maker, I am a scientist. I study human behavior. So, although I do not have specific suggestions about governmental systems, I do know how to help people achieve better communication and solve problems without taking a defensive stance. When we go on ...more
By sintantrix (5), Jamesport on Sep 1, 14 2:01 PM
Wiggle as you try sintantrix, I fully understand your posts and position in the general context. That said, you've been crystal clear in an ambiguous non-specific way; complaining about shortcomings without providing ANY substance to the essence of the alleged problem - the who, what, when, and where if you will. But without specifics, I will continue to provide my interpretation.

There are problems as you say, but yet you provide no specifics to substantiate the allegations and certainly ...more
Sep 1, 14 3:23 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
And as a reminder, your very first post was an indictment of the laws of the United States and an indication of your belief that those that come here not here illegally, they are merely undocumented as is to allude that they have some sort of right to be here, which they do not. You further went on to cite The Colossus to further point out our obligation and "failure" as a country to take the masses of downtrodden into the country with open arms. Which to a large degree we already do. Clearly you want no borders and open society, which would work real well given the threat of terrorism and disease with the likes of Ebola, just for starters.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 1, 14 3:23 PM
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By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Sep 1, 14 10:47 AM
Newsday "The influx of newcomers -- from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and other countries -- who usually work in the service industry has resulted in tensions with some longtime residents of what has traditionally been a mostly white enclave for the working class in the Hampton's"
You cant have it both ways,We must incorporate and hire our own police force.We must enforce one family housing, you cant keep trying to keep property taxes the same as they were in 1964 and not expect the working ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 1, 14 1:44 PM
Why **** is so expensive:

11,457.8 Billions of Dollars
Weekly, Ending Monday, Seasonally Adjusted, M2, Updated: 2014-08-28 3:51 PM CDT

For REFERENCE (*Weimar Republic):

Monday January 16th 1995: 3,495 Billions of Dollars

Monday January 14th 1985: 2,311 Billions of Dollars

Do you get it, or do y'all have to be Fed it?
Sep 2, 14 12:22 AM appended by Mr. Z
Do the math: Monday January 17th 2005: 6,405 Billions of Dollars
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 14 12:22 AM
kiddie bars?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 14 2:55 PM
Dream, Barn, and the Diner/ Latino Club

Don't pretend you don't know what is putting a drag on this town. It is so close to becoming a legitimate part of the Hampton's with a few exceptions in decorum
Sep 1, 14 3:20 PM appended by 27dan
IMO We need more places like Cow Fish and less places like the Boardy Barn
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 1, 14 3:20 PM
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funny i am pretty sure my friends husband (a sh police officer) told me all three of those places were owned by the same people and that they give them the most reason for concern of all the bars. go look for yourselves what goes on around town and ask yourself if you are doing enough to make sure our town develops in a classy and responsible direction
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Sep 1, 14 3:31 PM
we need to be active in the community we live in one of the most amazing and beautiful places in the country, public drunken slobs with no respect for property should be tolerated
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Sep 1, 14 3:34 PM
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Hampton Bays is no where near close to being part of what you infer is "The Hamptons"
Never has been, never will be.
Please note changing demographics as reported in a daily paper here on the island.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 14 5:21 PM
Yes, You seem to keep reminding us of that notion you have about it never being a " Real Hampton"

You seem to put allot of mental energy into holding it back to nothing more than a party town,

What are you afraid of higher taxes of losing your high school pissing grounds.

No matter Its going to happen whether you like it or not in fact the transformation has has already started. The Spanish just rent here It is a transitional thing. People will not be able to run this ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 1, 14 5:38 PM
Your rules 27east, but you allow this person to insult the population of HB, and when I call him on it, you ban it?
By But I'm a blank! May 22, 13
HB is no where near close to being part of what you infer is "The Hamptons"Never has been, never will be.
By But I'm a blank!, Sep 1, 14
Odd standard of hypocrisy? Even for a police officer. guess you just like stirring the pot
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 1, 14 8:39 PM
I know most police officers do a great job and I will stand up for them every time but you must admit Blank allot of you guys are rather hypocritical when it comes to driving after having a few, talking on the phone while driving, not wearing seat belts, speeding off duty.lol

I don't really blame you the rules are way over the top. Its like living in a nanny state.

I disagree with you about HB as well I feel it is getting better and wife is a realtor and says HB is starting to ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 1, 14 8:48 PM
Care to try that again?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 14 10:53 AM
not especially
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 2, 14 8:16 PM
Firstly, UD, I am not a cop. Never said I was, I have however stated that I have several family members that are, up west.
If your mind read my statement as an insult to folks in Hampton Bays, I can assure, that was not my intent. But I stand by my words. Hampton Bays is, has been, and always will be Hampton Bays and "The Hamptons"
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 14 8:49 PM
"yes, you seem to keep reminding us......."
Care to show me where I "keep reminding you" of anything?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 14 9:01 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 14 3:49 PM
And on what grounds will you do away with these legitimate businesses? Maybe Uncle Carl has a few suggestions, We should ask him
Sep 1, 14 4:51 PM appended by They call me
Diner? What Diner, there is a Diner in Hampton Bays? I thought that was a ______
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 1, 14 4:51 PM
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By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 1, 14 5:02 PM
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That is a great idea putting a Diner in Hampton Bays, Someone should do that I bet It would do wonderful .
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 1, 14 5:02 PM
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I'm with Frankie:

Sinatra: Remember that leering, cursing lynch mob in Little Rock reviling a meek, innocent little 12-year-old Negro girl as she tried to enroll in public school? Weren’t they — or most of them — devout churchgoers? I detest the two-faced who pretend liberality but are practiced bigots in their own mean little spheres. I didn’t tell my daughter whom to marry, but I’d have broken her back if she had had big eyes for a bigot. As I see it, man ...more
Sep 2, 14 12:48 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, on your left, a photo of Scott Neeson...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 14 12:48 AM
Anyone who listens to Frank Sinatra about morals needs to have their head examined. Try cutting and pasting someone with a moral compass next time.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Sep 2, 14 7:37 AM
You'd need a dictionary to even comprehend his vernacular. I'll guess you're a McCarthyist?

The only one who needs his head examined is the dope brainwashed by the Fourth Estate who smeared the man...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 14 7:46 AM
to chief1:

Well, "I" was pretty impressed by that quote from "Old Blue Eyes." Who knew he had it in him? Until I read that it was a recorded interview, I suspected that he had merely appended his name to some PR guy's creation. The segment of the interview that preceded the quoted portion, in which Frankie describes his own religious belief and his distrust of organized religion, was pretty interesting as well. (I don't agree with his opinion therein but it was equally well-expressed.)

No ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 2, 14 8:16 AM
A bit of "As the Revolving Door Spins" for you this morning HHS:


Eric Cantor Is Now A Wall Street Investment Banker With An Annual Salary Of $2 Million
By David Badash
September 02, 2014 8:25 AM

After losing, by a large margin, his House seat in a surprising and stunning defeat, former Majority Leader Eric Cantor is headed for greener pastures.

Not that anyone was worried about Eric Cantor when he lost his seat in Congress to Tea Party Republican and political ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 14 8:46 AM
Yeah Frankie was a stand up guy. Like after coming back from WWII and doing that "from Here to Eternity " movie. So realistic, how could it not be with all his time in uniform?

OOOPs, wait, he didn't serve? Nope that guy duke either!! Why does anyone value the political opinion of people who seek to entertain as a living? May as well ask the dog catcher.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 5, 14 11:04 AM
to But I'm a blank!:

There isn't an iota of political content in anything Old Blue Eyes said. He simply stated his personal philosophy regarding racism and religion (which you may dismiss, if you wish, due to his notoriety) with remarkable articulation.

Right-Wingers herein, on the other hand, have shown themselves eager to post vacuous political harangues by Right-Wing extremist celebrities of no authority whatsoever. (Think Jon Voight.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Sep 6, 14 7:34 AM
Right wingers or bleeding heart liberals, makes no difference, an entertainer is an entertainer, not an authority on morals, religion, race, or politics.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 14 3:13 PM
Why **** is so expensive:

11,457.8 Billions of Dollars
Weekly, Ending Monday, Seasonally Adjusted, M2, Updated: 2014-08-28 3:51 PM CDT

For REFERENCE (*Weimar Republic):

Monday January 17th 2005: 6,405 Billions of Dollars

Monday January 16th 1995: 3,495 Billions of Dollars

Monday January 14th 1985: 2,311 Billions of Dollars

Do you get it, or do y'all have to be Fed it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 2, 14 8:35 AM
Hey Z while your blasting Republicans why don't you explain the 120 million Robert Rubin received as a consultant fot Citibank? You know the guy from Billy Boys cabinet. The man who didn't warn citibank of the sub prime crisis while he was receiving his 120 million. How about Timothy Geitner obamas treasury secretary making millions?
That's why I laugh at you and Phil, because you can't see politicians both democrat and republican only care about themselves and their wallets. Both parties ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Sep 2, 14 11:21 PM
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I've already bashed Rubin on these pages, as well as Geithner. I've blasted Rubin in a public letter to the Press for destroying what should have been a National Historic Landmark to build yet another golf course.

What you don't seem to get is that lately (and in the last thirty years) it isn't Democrats who are regularly being brought up on charges, indicted, or arrested. It's Republicans. And, to be wholly honest the Republican kettle is FAR blacker than the Republican kettle when ...more
Sep 3, 14 1:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
Support the 28th Amendment: Separation of Corporation and State
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 3, 14 1:09 PM
first thing you said that makes sense in a long time ( applying that to Obama)
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 3, 14 8:50 PM
It's simple statistics, mentality, and culture.

The chances of the country going to hell in a handbasket are far greater when the current Republican culture has a shred of power or dominance. Republicans are the party of Creationists for Pete's sake...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 6:55 AM
Interesting read for Mr Z...
One of the underappreciated aspects of the current debate over corporate tax inversions is how it represents not just an opportunity for some progressive populism, but is just another aspect of the same view which motivates the left’s general disgust with Uber and other members of the sharing economy. It’s the same motivation behind this push by tariff-loving New Balance to prevent soldiers from buying running shoes on the open market, and instead use ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Sep 4, 14 9:06 AM
For starters, what is described are not real Progressive policies. Other side coin here is that companies like Burger King who invert pay poverty wages and the taxpayer has to make up the difference. Wages in "real dollars" are decreasing with every passing day. Federal tax revenues from corporate America when the vast majority of our infrastructure was built were over thirty percent of the take. Now, it's less than ten percent, and corporate profits are pretty much at an all time high. The ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 12:31 PM
Addendum:

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."

~ Thomas Jefferson

Note the sixth meaning of the word. It should give you some insight into what "Commonwealth" meant over 200 years ago.

wealth n. [welth]

1. a great quantity or store of money, valuable possessions, property, or other riches

2. an abundance or profusion of anything; plentiful amount:
"a wealth of ...more
Sep 4, 14 2:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... [a] means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. ~ Thomas Jefferson
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 2:53 PM
Ignorance? Really you think its all the Republicans fault? Thinking that would be true Ignorance. How about our great leader who preaches affordable health care? My medical is up three fold since oblunder entered office. They are all scammers and one step away from jail doing little for their constituents. But if you think its just Republicans you are being disengenuous.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Sep 3, 14 2:41 PM
It's very lopsided toward Republicans, plain and simple.

Enron was a boatload of card carrying Republicans. Wendy Gramm clandestinely changed the definition of a physical hedger over 20 years ago, and is Republican. Alan Greenspan who "found a flaw" and drove our economy into a tree is a Republican. The "Committee to save the World" was 2/3 Republican, and is now repudiated for ALL of it's economic method. Donald Regan and Ronald Reagan - both Republican.

The list can go on, ...more
Sep 4, 14 9:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
"A jury on Thursday found former Gov. Bob McDonnell (R-VA) and his wife guilty on multiple counts of conspiracy and honest services wire fraud. The pair were indicted in January on 14 federal counts over their role in a gift scandal. The indictments centered around tens of thousands of dollars worth of gifts received by the couple from a wealthy tobacco executive."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 3, 14 9:59 PM
And there it is when all else FAILS phill and mets fan pull out the race card like clock work!
Sep 3, 14 9:14 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Unlike Trayvon Martin, pictures of a 12-year-old Michael Brown haven’t been used to portray him as a gentle little cherub. Instead the media has cast him as the “gentle giant.” And they’re at least partially right, say critics. Brown certainly was a giant, as surveillance footage seems to prove, showing his 6’4”, nearly 300-pound self towering over a petrified convenience-store employee, who got manhandled and intimidated for having the temerity to object to his store being robbed.
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 3, 14 9:14 PM
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Travon got lost because he was high , What Phil doesn't want you to find out is the ingredients in the bag that Travon was returning home with were Arizona Watermelon drink, Skittles and Robitussen, three ingredients used to make a very potent drug called LEAN or PURPLE LEAN. It is very likely that Travon Martin was on his way to make some more LEAN the night he was shot, the coroner’s report shows that his liver was damaged in a way that is consistent with the use of LEAN/PURPLE LEAN. - ...more
Sep 4, 14 10:28 PM appended by 27dan
Do the Math people, Do the Math
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 4, 14 10:28 PM
Funny how you saw scared and lost in Dans post,When the rest of us saw drug using hip hopin sneeky punk
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 5, 14 7:01 AM
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By Tommy Turbo (60), Deep River, CT on Sep 3, 14 9:48 PM
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Best part of my day was watching President Confusion as he went off-prompter and finally slipped up calling the Terrorist Islamist Extremists ISIS and not his made up term ISIL ...and you could see the wheels falling off. Hesitant, nearly stammering, as he contradicted himself several times in the same speech.

ISIS wouldn't even be a problem this adminastration would secured a SOFA and left a resilience group of troops in Iraq, like the Pentagon and generals told him to do. his legacy ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Sep 3, 14 9:57 PM
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I'd learn who the Presidents were.

There is a snowball's chance in **** that he will eclipse the title holder, Franklin Pierce or the close second Warren Harding for that matter.

Facts are facts...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 6:45 AM
Obamas chickens now coming home to roost
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 4, 14 9:21 AM
Obamadinajad started allowing 80,000 Muslims to immigrate to the United States starting in 2012. Additionally, he has promised to bring a minimum of 100,000 additional Muslims per year, for the next 5 years, 2012-2016. He is doing this by executive order. I just read about how our US Consulates are recruiting Muslims to immigrate to the USA.

meanwhile Obama cuts $200 million from Israeli missile defense partnership.

Any of you connecting the dots yet?
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 4, 14 11:30 AM
Either acronym is acceptable. Any other misinformation to vomit upon the board?

DAIISH is also a term they use to self identify.
Sep 4, 14 3:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
"self identify in the opposing faction."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 3:27 PM
i don't care what you all say i really miss president bush, i always felt safe like the adults were in charge, unlike this narcissistic, spiteful and race baiting disaster of an administration.

the poll numbers show just the die hard zealots are going down with the ship.

they seem so clueless and frozen, its scary
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Sep 4, 14 3:42 PM
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Erin you forgot 9/11, the adults were in charge?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Sep 5, 14 2:37 PM
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Please, 27Dan, can you provide the executive order number or some sort of identifier for a google search?
Short of that, what you posted here is either very ignorant on your part, or a complete fabrication.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 8, 14 11:38 AM
Yo, Dan , still waiting till you document that Executive Order
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 12, 14 11:26 AM
He was a THUG Phil , caught on surveillance video robbing a store! Did he deserve to die for that crime? No. If he attacked a police officer and tried to disarm him---well------
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 4, 14 6:20 AM
He robbed a store n roughed up the owner, that makes him a THUG!!!! Not a black thug, not a white thug, just a garden variety THUG!!! If he attacked the police officer and tied to take his weapon, he got what he deserved.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 4, 14 7:17 PM
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Down in the gutter labeling, and insulting a dead man. The background audio of the shots being fired by the officer collected by the FBI also conflicts with the police report. Seems more and more like fabrication on the part of the officer and the erosion of his credibility at time passes, as dead men tell no tales.

Ah well...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 9:22 PM
Discovered an interesting "test".

Try the Political Compass (org).
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 4, 14 2:42 PM
Joe Biden sounds like he is making a play for the presidency in 2016,

Saying yesterday he is going to

" Take back America"

I think It is a wonderful Idea... don't you Phil ! GO JOE !
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Sep 4, 14 2:43 PM
oh you cant be serious, please tell me your not serious joe
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 5, 14 6:19 AM
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You nonsense only resonates in the teachers faculty room at work were PMSNBC talking points circulate throughout the hive, socialist blather excusing bad behavior poor choices and lack of personal responsibility.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Sep 5, 14 7:07 AM
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The kid was a thug, fact, caught on tape, fact. Does it matter if he was black or white, of course not, criminals come in all colors. See that's where you go off the rails, you have made this tragedy a black/ white issue. It's cop vs criminal , if the cop was black too would you have even noticed? Of course not, it would not fit the narrative put forth by the lunatic fringe. Go to work!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 5, 14 7:25 AM
Agreed It is Cop vs Criminal,

Now Go Back To Work!

Don't you have any children to help indoctrinate today ?
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 5, 14 9:36 AM
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Exactly How Often Do Police Shoot Unarmed Black Men?

The killing in Ferguson was one of many such cases. Here's what the data reveals.

—By Jaeah Lee
Fri Aug. 15, 2014 6:00 AM EDT


Excerpt:

"Often, the police officers do not get convicted or sentenced. Delores Jones-Brown, a law professor and director of the Center on Race, Crime, and Statistics at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, has identified dozens of black men and ...more
Sep 5, 14 4:25 PM appended by Mr. Z
More falsehoods: "Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson lied when he said he had received "many" specific requests for the videotape that allegedly shows Michael Brown robbing a convenience store, according to a new report."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 14 4:25 PM
Watch What Happens When Police Confront a White 'Open Carry' Gun Nut

Police show great patience with possibly drunk, very agitated, gun-waving armed white man. What if he were black?

By Janet Allon
September 5, 2014

A perfect example of the double standard of law enforcement was videotaped in Kalamazoo, Michigan recently. A 63-year-old white man, clad in pajamas, was waving a large gun around, threatening people and scaring the bejesus out of them, understandably. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Sep 5, 14 4:44 PM
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Is it a double standard or just an example of restraint by the PD? Not sure it proves gun yielding white people are less likely to be killed. Not sure it doesn't.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Sep 5, 14 8:10 PM
A tight group is nothing more than "gun control". Not the kind Cuomo thinks he has, but what anyone who has been trained in the art of shooting can have.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 14 3:09 PM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 6, 14 7:45 AM
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By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Sep 6, 14 3:15 PM
Seems as if Phil has perfected playing the VICTIM CARD! Whenever there is a comment that disproves his position he reports it as it as inappropriate and Big Brother red inks it. Classic liberal maneuver, free speech is fine as long as we agree with it! DISSENT IS STILL PATRIOTIC KOMRADE!! Here comes the red ink.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Sep 7, 14 7:20 AM
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Really that was the most harmless thing I have ever seen get red lines twice, What gives with that. talk about being made of sugar, god lord
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 7, 14 10:56 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Sep 8, 14 11:45 AM