
Residents of West Tiana Road in Hampton Bays are trying to derail plans that call for the opening of a homeless shelter in their community, possibly as early as next month, and sat down with local elected officials on Saturday to express their outrage.
Suffolk County Legislator Jay Schneiderman and Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst met with approximately 50 residents who crowded into the West Tiana Road home of Robert and Gail Liner to voice a litany of concerns over a situation that they believe will alter their quality of life and pose considerable safety threats.
Mr. Schneiderman and Ms. Throne-Holst said they were just as shocked as residents to learn about the plan that involves the transformation of the Hidden Cove Motel into a permanent homeless shelter, and both said that they are now working against the clock to stop Suffolk County’s Department of Social Services from following through with its plan.
Ms. Throne-Holst said the town sent code enforcement officials and the fire marshal to check out the motel—which is currently occupied by about 20 tenants living there full time, plus a dozen homeless families placed in the motel by DSS on a temporary basis—last week to ensure that it is up to code. She said their reports are expected soon. In addition, Ms. Throne-Holst said town officials are still investigating whether or not a full-scale homeless shelter is permitted at the site under the town code.
On his end, Mr. Schneiderman said he plans to pen legislation that, if adopted, would prevent the conversion of motels into permanent homeless shelters. He also told those in attendance that litigation is a possibility only if they, or the town, decide to sue the county—and its Department of Social Services—over the decision.
Other possible remedies, Ms. Throne-Holst said, could include the town purchasing the motel property and converting it into affordable housing.
“We were not notified,” Ms. Throne-Holst said of DSS’s decision to make the former motel a permanent homeless shelter. “The town only found out when we started getting calls from residents.”
The supervisor added that the county has pushed forward other initiatives, including the contentious homeless sex offender trailers that are still sited in Westhampton and Riverside, without the “courtesy” of notification. “We are as upset, taken aback, shocked and dismayed as the rest of you,” she said.
Mr. Schneiderman, who said he also had no pre-knowledge of the county’s plan, noted that it might be illegal for Suffolk to convert a motel into a year-round homeless shelter.
“DSS doesn’t call me to say they’re thinking of a homeless shelter,” said Mr. Schneiderman, who owns a motel in Montauk. “I don’t want this as much as you don’t want this.”
Livid residents believe that the Hampton Bays shelter is another example of the DSS pushing through a plan without first reaching out to those living in the affected communities.
A flier passed around at the meeting raises a number of concerns, including whether or not county officials have taken a close look at reported criminal activity at the motel and its surrounding areas in recent months. Town Police responded to the motel more than 60 times since January to answer a variety of calls, ranging from assault and burglary, to menacing and domestic disputes, according to police reports. The documents were requested and secured by Hampton Bays resident Salvatore Coppa.
Other residents continued to question whether or not the building itself can accommodate up to 32 homeless families; at the present time, about 20 tenants are renting the rooms, while another dozen of the units are occupied by homeless families. Others asked if the building’s cesspool and electrical systems are in compliance with town code.
“We’re looking at an imposition of government into our lives, and it’s hurting us,” said West Tiana Road resident John Pinna. “Stop it by saying ‘no.’”
Mr. Schneiderman reminded residents that the county’s DSS must provide temporary housing for the homeless in its jurisdiction, adding that those figures have swelled in recent months. He previously reported that more than 500 families in the county are seeking temporary housing through the county. “We are legally mandated to care for the homeless,” Mr. Schneiderman said.
The Hidden Cove Motel previously served as a homeless shelter for the county from 1999 until 2002, when it operated under the name “Luv ‘Em.”
Residents learned three weeks ago that the owners of the Hidden Cove Motel—Laml Realty Corporation—intend to evict its rental tenants so the DSS can open a full-scale homeless shelter there before the end of the year.
I Love how Schniderman says 'we are legally mandated to care for the homeless". As if without that "legal mandate" he wouldn't bother. You people are elected officials - you should be looking out for everyone, even those (or especially those) without homes.
To registeredindependent, I wish I could ...more believe that we are still a society with compassion for those less fortunate but each and every day I see overwhelming evidence of the contrary. When our concern for the value of our properties trumps the value of a homeless man, woman or child then we are surely lost.
You and stand before us with your self righteous rant about ATH pandering to voters and not helping the homeless. Might I remind you these people are not from here... At the very least they do not seem to be very responsible individuals and some of them may be both desperate and dangerous, Maybe like the sex offenders the town has allowed to live in ...more those trailers that you seem to fear. (from your own comments here in the past) It seems to be fine with you that other peoples children are subjected to this influx of questionable outsiders. homeless non resident people of questionable character concentrated in one neighborhood from towns far to the west of where we have chosen to raise our families. I also find it very disturbing that you seem to be ok with any amount of homeless being warehoused in Hampton Bays, but jump up and down and light yourself on fire when any corporate entity wants to do anything near your coveted neighborhood of Tuckahoe
Proposal for a new 7-Eleven on County Road 39
We do not need another 7-eleven and we don't need to use day laborers as an excuse. A 7-eleven will have an adverse impact on traffic and aesthetics. By Dagdavid Feb 22, 10 1:45 PM
Developers present new plans for Tuckahoe hamlet center
If you live in Tuckahoe and care about your community and your property values, you will fight this at every turn. Dagdavid Jun 3, 10 1:18 PM
Southampton Village mayor foresees legal battle over proposed Tuckahoe commercial mall
You said what Mr. Morrow is proposing is in an area not zoned for that use and with NO benefit to this community and that is the issue.
Ms. Throne-Holst vows, "Rest assured, unless I have the community's clear support . . . I will not vote in favor of it."
One thing is abundantly clear, you do not "have the community's clear support" and what we want is for you to "just say no." Anything less is simply unacceptable.
This project never should have been allowed to come this far in the first place. Dagdavid Sep 1, 10 5:36 PM
This community needs to separate wants from needs. Convenience from quality of life. Mr. Morrow is just another in a long line of developers who purchased land believing that it was his right to change zoning to suit his needs. Just another developer who wants to destroy someone else's neighborhood to fatten his pockets. Is this the only place in Southampton where a grocery store could be placed? No. Is it the most ideal? No. Do we need another grocery store? No. Dagdavid Jan 19, 11 8:43
This grocery store is not needed and placing it at this location would be just one more "convenience" that does nothing to enhance the quality or character of our town." Dagdavid Jan 19, 11 8:54 AM
Dagdavid, you are the ultimate NIMBY social justice hypocrite
These people do not belong in Hampton Bays. The people of HB do not want them in there neighborhood any more than you want that grocery store in yours. The only difference is one more store on county rd 39 is not a danger to your family or children's safety.
Xtiego did not mention whether this person who was taking the turkey was homeless did they?
In fact, when you're on a road trip "roughing it" with a tent, and sleeping bag with your own supplies/food, they are a nice respite.
so you equate these people with garbage, trash and refuse?
Does God love them any less than the rich Hamptonite??
However, I do feel sorry for the tenants who are being evicted. Now they will be homeless. Isnt this an oxymoron?
It is too bad that our state governments, and we as citizens, did not insist that anyone living in this country (state) learn the language of the people of this area they are living in and speak it in public. Why else are they living here if they do not want to learn the ways of their new home?
And if you read between the lines on the comments, residents certainly don't wan't 'animals' or 'them' or 'these types of people' on the same street as their lilywhite butts.
It is already a rundown motel in a rundown neighborhood.
If the motel could fill its rooms full of tourists wishing to spend their summers on the beaches of tiana bay then you wouldn't have this problem.
The ugly truth is that the motel is only one of many run down, soon to be condemned had their peak in the 70's type of establishments that litter the western hampton ...more bays area. The owners are looking for the best return on their investment, and since the tourist industry ain't cutting it, homeless are the next best thing.
These were thriving summer resort motels until the owners started renting on the off season to welfare. It then morphed into full time. Now a homeless shelter.
Have they kept up with repairs on the establishment? Surely you understand that it isn't that people don't want to summer on the beaches of Tiana bay, it is that they don't want to summer in a run down motel on Tiana bay.
The owners are always looking for the best return on their investment, ...more with the least investment.
For all those talking about "greed" this is a perfect example. Let's not take care of our property, rent to the County and put the unfortunate inhabitants in a dumpy run down place, without proper living facilities then complain when everyone is unhappy.
1. This motel is currently home to local town people who are virtually homeless themselves. Before this conversion, they were living in very modest circumstances. After they will be homeless. ...made homeless by people who are mostly from western suffolk. From how far afield should one community support them? At what expense to local residents?
2. Homelessness is usually a product of much more than economics. ...more Very often there is a pathology here i.e. serious mental illness, drugs, alcohol or some anti-social behaviors. This is what causes problems and why people who are homeless often are unwanted in communities. Instead of getting the adequate help they need, they are generally dumped into the community which now has to deal with the attendant problems.
3. There should be very small catchment areas. That is if someone is homeless, they can only be housed in emergency housing withing a small number of miles. This would prevent some communities from becoming large receiving grounds while other areas escape entirely.
4. Hampton Bays is the kind of community which has more affordable housing than most, more social service residences than most etc. HB should not be allowed by anyone of good conscience to become overwhelmed by populations in need and which might further strain the community's stability.
What is fair is fair.
You forgot to take a potshot at the disabled, as well.
We have to face facts. As Baywoman said "... it happens." ...more .. How far away are the homeless to be driven? How cruel is it to take them away from their home area? Much less chance of their ability to find a job in a strange town. Nobody wins in this situation.
I cant believe she said that. That should be removed by the overseer of this page. OMG
Why not keep the county's surplus properties ...more to use for the homeless? These parcels are randomly situated throughout the county avoiding a concentration in any one area and would keep some homeless closer to "home". Of course no (probably well connected) developer would be reaping obscene profits but now is a time for even them to sacrifice.
Does this mean that we need to force him to take a job since it is his right? How exactly would you do that?
The rights described by local 84 are there should you choose to partake of them. And, historically speaking, just because someone has a "right" deigned to them, does not mean that it hasn't been denied ...more to them...
snip....legally obligate the president and Congress to use all available means to achieve FULL employment.
A legal obligation? Exactly how is that achieved?
I am not criticizing the individual, or any individuals. I just don't think it as easy as saying something is mandated therefore it will happen.
Point one: Homeless folks should be supported as they strive to pull them selves out of tragic finanical disasters that have destroyed their lives through no fault of their own.
Point two: There is no excuse for slobs, or disregard for the rules and regulations that form the basics of our culture.
Help is good, but when you bite the ...more hand that feeds you, you must pay the price.
Southampton should be tasked to resolve the Southampton issues, and not wake up one morning to find 37 familys from Mastic have arrived to live in Hampton bays.
Oh yes the cost !! Now here we go with another issue. This is most likley buried under the leaf issue, the mind boggling leaf issue only over shadowed
by the hedge cutting law that in Southampton would get adult attention and no where else.
Don't bother to crack on me because of my views, or spelling, but just think if my comments have any validity.
Then we can discuss the cost to you, for the 87 billion dollars that Juan and Jose's kids are costing you, $$$$$$$
Disgusting lack of concern for HB as par normal!
If it was going in on Gin Lane I don't think she would have noticed either since that's in the Village of Southampton and not her jurisdiction.. nice try though
HB has enough affordable housing already and you know it!
Purchase it and make it into community marina or a dog park . My sister has three children under 12 and lives on that block and let me assure you they are serious about this, everyone is OUTRAGED ! and watching
I don't think that's an example of reaping what the ...more Town sowed. . .
Nature is correct, hotels were converting to condos which would house more families which would add to our school's budget which would, of course, raise our taxes.
If the owners of the motels want to fix up their establishments why don't they?
Should Sagaponack Village have a homeless shelter? Let's get real. . .
If this waterfront motel was in sagaponack village, some retired VP from Goldman Sachs would have already bought it for 20m to knock it down and build his ostentatious residence.
I mean, come on here. You can get an acre of waterfront for less than 400k on that road. ...more So lets not sit here with a straight face and say that this area isn's already a bit run down.
How many other areas in LI can you get an acre of waterfront for less than 400k?
Mastic Shirley?
Flanders Maybe?
I would hardly characterize my comments as "inflammatory". Someone inquired about the Town banning motel conversions and I simply stated that the Town put a moratorium in place to study the potential effects of motel conversions since the vast majority of motels were in one hamlet (Hampton Bays). Condos, unless they are age ...more restricted, are typically tax negative with respect to school districts. By converting a motel which pays school taxes but (in theory) doesn't send kids to the schools, the district and therefore taxpayers benefit. By converting the motel to condos, more school children enter the system and the taxes the condo owners pay do not cover the cost of the additional school children (especially when you consider the taxes the motel was paying previously).
If you read carefully, you will notice that the reply to Undoc did not state it was a good idea, that I was in favor of not converting motels that the Hampton Bays will benefit by having this there or anything like that. I stated that I did not think the town was reaping what they sowed because the moratorium is long gone (correct me if I'm wrong) and the property owners could convert to condos or another use if they so chose.
With respect to East Ends comment - it appeared that their belief is that every hamlet/village/town should have it's own homeless shelter - regardless of a need. Hence my comment. Why would sagaponack have a homeless shelter when there are no homeless (and there never will be) Sagaponack Village residents?
Do I have concerns about the County's homeless sheltering system? Yes. But that doesn't mean government officials should create laws to prevent the housing of homeless people. For all intents and purposes the current tenants at that place (and I've been there so I feel qualified to comment) are homeless and this is essentially their shelter. It doesn't really change anything except the property owners will get guarenteed income which they don't have the security of now.
From reading this article it seems that the residents haven't been concerned enough about the conditions of this dump in recent years but as soon as they heard homeless families were moving in they got scared? I'd rather have DSS place homeless families there than have who knows what walk in off the street and rent a room. . .
I suppose I should know better than to reply to a Cain supporter, but let's leave (national) politics out of this.
Did I ever state that illegals aren't a problem? or that it's ok to have 5 families living in a house? nope, didn't say that either.
You ...more called me inflammatory and when the facts are before you that I'm nothing but levelheaded with sound arguements and logical points with no bias you try and use the spin cycle. It's been fun, next time use facts to make your arguements.
P.S. what happend to Cain? Embarassed to call yourself a supporter?
and Phil speaking as a true conservative todays news was a delight
Obama's Job Approval Drops Below Carter's
November 29, 2011 RSS Feed: President Obama's slow ride down Gallup's daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president in political history.
Since March, Obama's job approval rating has hovered above Carter's, considered ...more among the 20th century's worst president, but today Obama's punctured Carter's dismal job approval line. On their comparison chart, Gallup put Obama's job approval rating at 43 percent compared to Carter's 51 percent
Its about time I will sleep well tonight, Good evening
Like 9, or 11%?
Hmmmmmm...
shame on homeless people.
No, no, no!
It was the Community Reinvestment Act of 1978!
;-)
The worse your negative actions, the longer it hopefully takes to stretch, and snap back.