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Jun 2, 2010 11:44 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Mattituck woman will receive six months for DWI fatality involving Hampton Bays teen

Jun 2, 2010 11:44 AM

Caroline Goss, the Mattituck woman accused of killing a Hampton Bays boy while driving drunk last summer, now faces six months in jail after pleading guilty in April to vehicular manslaughter—and the victim’s mother said she is outraged and disappointed by the sentence.

The jail term that awaits Ms. Goss after her sentencing on Thursday, June 17, is the result of a plea bargain struck with prosecutors. Prosecutors said that they might not have been able to secure a felony conviction if the case went to trial, because evidence shows that the victim, 15-year-old Joseph Marino, swerved into Ponquogue Avenue on his bicycle immediately before he was struck by Ms. Goss’s vehicle.

“Given the witness statements and the accident reconstruction in this case, a conviction after a trial would have been problematic,” Robert Clifford, a spokesman for Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota, wrote in an e-mail last week. “The plea and sentence of six months and five years’ probation assured the defendant was convicted of a felony, served some time in jail, and will be subject to multiple drug and alcohol conditions of a lengthy probation.”

Police said Ms. Goss, who was 34 at the time of the accident, was drunk when she struck Joseph while he was riding his bicycle on Ponquogue Avenue on the evening of August 12, 2009. Joseph was transported by helicopter to Stony Brook University Medical Center, where he died the next day.

Ms. Goss’s 6-year-old son was in the front seat of her car at the time of the accident, authorities said.

In Suffolk County Court in Riverhead on April 20, Ms. Goss pleaded guilty to second-degree vehicular manslaughter, a felony, as well as DWI and endangering the welfare of a child, both misdemeanors, and driving with an open container of alcohol, a violation, according to Mr. Clifford.

Ms. Goss’s attorney, Anthony Palumbo of Mattituck, declined to comment this week.

As a result of the plea bargain, Ms. Goss faces six months in jail and five years’ probation, Mr. Clifford explained. She is scheduled to be sentenced later this month before Judge Gary Weber. If Ms. Goss violates the terms of her probation, she faces up to seven years in prison, according to Mr. Clifford.

Joseph’s mother, Dorothy Marino, said this week that the sentence falls short of what she had hoped for.

“It’s just that I’m outraged at the entire legal system and how it seems as though the criminals have more rights than the victims, and that the victims just don’t seem to get the justice that they deserve,” Ms. Marino said.

“My son did not deserve what happened to him,” she added later. “He did not go out there expecting anything to happen to him. He went out there to enjoy the bicycle that he just got the week before.”

Ms. Marino and her husband, Phil, will file a civil suit against Ms. Goss within the next two weeks, seeking compensatory and punitive damages for the wrongful death of their son, according to Edmond Chakmakian, the attorney representing the family in the suit and a longtime friend of the Marinos.

“The proposed sentence is of little consolation to them,” Mr. Chakmakian said. “They feel that she should have paid a higher price­—more jail time. And they’re sorely disappointed in the way the criminal justice system worked in this particular case.”

Mr. Clifford said that if the case went to trial, prosecutors may have had a difficult time winning a felony vehicular manslaughter conviction because Suffolk County investigators determined that Joseph may have darted in front of Ms. Goss’s 2001 Jeep Cherokee before he was hit. “The evidence shows the victim swerved into the lane of traffic on Ponquogue Avenue and was immediately struck by the defendant’s vehicle,” Mr. Clifford wrote.

At about 8:40 p.m. on August 12, 2009, Joseph was riding his bicycle from Argonne Road East to Ponquogue Avenue alongside a 16-year-old friend who was on foot, Mr. Clifford wrote. At some point, the two boys encountered a girl they knew. Joseph was struck just as the 16-year-old boy was waving to the 15-year-old girl, neither of whom was identified, according to witness statements provided by prosecutors.

“I think Joey may [have] swayed into the road, and he got hit,” the 16-year-old boy said in a statement to police.

The 15-year-old girl told police that she was walking along the shoulder of Ponquogue Avenue, against traffic. As she neared Argonne Road East, the two boys passed her and waved, she told police. When the 16-year-old witness moved so she could get by, Joseph rode “into the roadway a little,” according to her statement to police.

“That’s when Joey got hit by a black SUV type of truck,” the 15-year-old witness told police.

When asked if her son may have swerved into the road, Ms. Marino said: “Unfortunately, there are only two people who are going to confirm that, and one of them isn’t talking and the other one can’t talk,” referring to Ms. Goss and the victim.

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I don't think anyone goes to state prison for six months. I think it has to be a year or more. That headline and lead probably should read "jail," and not "prison."
But six months for manslaughter? Why did the judge agree to that deal?
By bailey (52), East Hampton on May 27, 10 5:52 PM
You're right; it was jail. This has been corrected.
By BOReilly (135), 27east Web Editor on May 28, 10 11:57 AM
Perhaps now it's time to correct the headline?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Jun 5, 10 11:17 AM
Seems like an awful lenient sentence ! Was Judge Weber asleep again during the proceedings ?
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on May 27, 10 6:11 PM
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Wow, you sure this is 6 months and not 6 years? Yea, less than a year, I think you can do it in the county jail. I wonder if she gets 2 months off for good behavior. A 15 year old boy dead, riding his bike. What kind of message are you trying to get get across Mr. D.A.? Makes me MADD.
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on May 27, 10 6:21 PM
Unfortunately she will get 2 months off with good behavior, in Suffolk County people do 2/3 of the time they get. Why she was even given a plea should be the question! She kills a 15 kid and the DA doesn't choose to take it to trial? This is appalling she should be held responsible for her actions drunk driving with a fatality needs to equal more than 6 months, that only net 4 months!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on May 27, 10 7:47 PM
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Wrong decision on the judges part. When is election time?
By Sag Native (54), East Hampton on May 27, 10 9:59 PM
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6 Months? That is a travesty. I wonder what the Marino's have to say about this. I know guys who've done more than six months for a DWI without killing an innocent child, or causing an accident, or while endangering the welfare of a child, or while having an open container in the vehicle. That plea is absolutely disgraceful.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on May 28, 10 2:34 AM
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Well, maybe it was a bit of mercy considering ALL the circumstances...
May 28, 10 2:40 AM appended by Mr. Z
A rather advanced trait in a society, I tend to think.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 28, 10 2:40 AM
To what circumstances are you referring Mr Z? I know alot more about this case than this article contains, and NOTHING I have heard favors Mrs Goss. Do you know something that I don't? Or are you just trying to get people to believe that she was less at fault than this articlle leads on?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on May 28, 10 8:20 AM
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and what exactly would "those" circumstances be?
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on May 28, 10 11:04 AM
Apparently much more than what was printed.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 29, 10 11:52 AM
please, do tell
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on May 29, 10 10:12 PM
Mr Z, please check out this site,
She has a history of six speeding violations, passing in a no passing zone, and a FELONY POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE charge (not to mention her prior DWI arrest in 2003) Do you still tend to think that this "bit of mercy" is a "rather advanced trait in a society," or a mistake?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 5, 10 3:07 AM
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This shows the value Spota puts on life - zero!

Sag Native - elections will not matter - Spota is cross endorsed. He is bought & paid for by the Political bosses & the PBA. The same people he takes his orders from.
By G (342), Southampton on May 28, 10 6:29 AM
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What kind of an example is that? More like a slap on the wrist. Maybe the judge should lose someone close in his family and understand that this ridiculous sentence isn't doing any justice at all!!!!! People get 6 months for DWI's. People who kill innocent people should get 6 YEARS! Isn't anyone listening here! I cannot believe this.
By Diane S. (4), Massapequa on May 28, 10 6:54 AM
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This verdict makes me sick! I can't believe she only got
6 months!
By mttk (1), MATTITUCK on May 28, 10 7:33 AM
6 months is a joke...can you imagine if it were your child? 6 months is not justice!
By Talbot77 (53), southampton on May 28, 10 8:10 AM
This just shows that the system does not work.A deal was made and the only loser was a 15 year old boy that had all his dreams taken away. Lets all so look at the fact that she had her 6 year old son was in the front seat and there was a open container in the vehical. This womans drivers linc. should be taken away for ever and her child should all so be taken away from her care since she cares about no one but her self
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on May 28, 10 8:12 AM
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How gross this women should suffer like those poor parents are now suffering for the rest of their lives..She had her son 6 in the front seat thats just another stupid thing on her part since that to is against the law. Shes just above the law I guess...Our system is so frustrating this women took a poor innocent childs life and thats only worth 6 months of her time thats really fair...
By SESMOMOF2 (21), SOUTHAMPTON on May 28, 10 8:15 AM
Diane S. ,this is a travesty of justice but we shoud not wish harm to the Judges's family - iit is not their fault that the he is irresponsible, and cannot do his job properly. Also blame the DA's office, who could not be bothered to do their job properly and came up with this plea bargain. I hope they all have sleepless nights worrying about will happen in 6 months when she is on the road again. Hope their kids or grandchildren are not riding bikes round here..
By consciencepoint (16), Southampton on May 28, 10 9:45 AM
Nothing will fix this tragic situation, I feel for the family
But six months? What kind of example does that set?
Come on already. It makes me MADD also.
By diogenes (57), westhampton on May 28, 10 9:46 AM
What PERSON in their right mind would think this is appropriate sentence?! Why would the DA's office even CONSIDER something like this?! The woman was DRUNK! She obviously had no regard for anyone's life - not the poor boy whose life she actually took or her own son, who sat in the front seat, let alone the countless others on the road who escaped injury at her hands. How can anyone look at this situation and think that 6 months is an appropriate punishment?! She took a life! Obviously, she has ...more
By LocalMom (36), Southampton on May 28, 10 10:01 AM
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This is OUTRAGEOUS! How could this woman get off with a 6 month jail term? No one is safe with irresponsible drunks allowed to kill children and get off essentially free. It would be different if it were an unavoidable accident but to drink and drive and with your own kid in the car? Ms. Goss doesn't value her own child's life, so it's no surprise she didn't value another's. I don't know how she can live with herself. If she had any character at all, she'd take her own worthless life.
By Babyboo (293), Hampton Bays on May 28, 10 10:54 AM
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By bbb, Hamptons on May 28, 10 12:06 PM
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By LovedHerTown (132), southampton on May 28, 10 1:11 PM
I think it is time for someone to start looking what is going on out here.
First there is Southampton Town surervisor arrested for DWI and we never hear anything more.Than the Mayor of Quogue who gets 8 years for steeling 2.4 million but get time to get things in order before he goes a way and lets not forget his wife is a justice.
Now a woman kills a 15 year old boy and gets 6 months
Time for things to change
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on May 28, 10 1:42 PM
So am I supposed to feel ok when my 12 yr old wants to ride into town with his friends when the justice system didn't throw the book at a drunk driver who took a boys life? What message has been sent with the light sentence given to this woman? Tell me.
By randommom (4), hampton bays on May 28, 10 1:44 PM
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By J. Totta (106), Sag Harbor on May 28, 10 2:55 PM
6 Months? Unbelievable! 6 months for taking a life but you'll get a lot more if you get caught with some weed on you. Where are our priorities? You can all say "we'll see on election day," but the truth is that nothing will change. Politicians will continue to be bought out, sell out and do favors for those with deep wallets.

Your votes mean nothing, it's time to wake up and realize that since the beginning of our government, we the people were never meant to have a real say.
By eastendgolf (28), Manorville on May 28, 10 3:57 PM
How do we get rid of the DA and the Judge? There has to be some way.
What about her kid, growing up having seen his mother kill someone? Who has custody? I hope they are not telling him it is not her fault because it WAS and he/she is lucky he/she is not the one deadn and I hope they say that, but they will probably try to hide it.
DRUNK DRIVERS NEED TO BE OFF THE ROAD PERMANENTLY- as soon as she is out and has had a few drinks she will drive licemse or not.
Southampton Press - at ...more
By consciencepoint (16), Southampton on May 28, 10 5:06 PM
Sure, she'll be even more stressed out and will drink again to forget the horrible accident she caused. As a Thank You to the lenient justice system she should promise to leave the state for good. Go live in the desert somewhere.
By hamptonsnrcit (47), sag harbor on May 28, 10 7:43 PM
The light sentence was probably based on the fact that the kid swerved in front of her on the road, she didn't drive up on the sidewalk and run him down. My heart skips a beat everytime I have to pass a bike, stroller, pedestrian, etc. on a road, especially busy ones. If they sverve in my path and I hit them, I could go to jail for manslaughter, even completely sober. And so could ALL OF YOU.

This woman has ruined her life with this felony conviction and other charges...
By Q333 (161), Southampton on May 28, 10 9:05 PM
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Don't believe everything you read. He was in a clearly marked "bike path" on a very well lit street. The DA's office released that statement to the press, I'm sure to cover their own asses knowing all hell would break loose once word got out about the light sentence.
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on May 29, 10 10:17 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention, bicycles aren't allowed on sidewalks, not that we have all that many of them here anyway. There's only about 6 ft of sidewalk on that corner.
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on May 29, 10 10:19 PM
I must let you know that he wasn't in a clearly marked "bike path", because a "bike path" is separated from the road. He was in a "bike Lane" if it is marked as such, otherwise he was just riding on the shoulder of the road.

Even if he swerved in front of her as Q333 states, her being drunk easily could have affected her reflexes. Either way 6 months is no where near long enough for this crime.

True bicycles aren't technically allowed on sidewalks, but outside of business districts ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on May 30, 10 2:28 AM
it's actually marked "bike route"
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on May 30, 10 9:18 PM
Indeed and for clarification this is from the Town's 1999 Master Plan -

The bicycle route system envisions a simple hierarchy of dedicated bike paths and demarcated bike lanes. The dedicated bike paths would be paved and divided from any adjacent streets with curbs or other safety barriers. The bike lanes that would predominate would consist of striped shoulders. Both would have clearly marked signs, with maps posted at bicycle route intersections. The Town’s street specifications (§292-36) ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on May 31, 10 6:39 PM
I'm a Hampton Bays Girl, and I knew Joey very well through his older brother. I know the area where the accident was, it's the corner of the sidewalk of the road the high school is on, and the sidewalk is quite narrow often frequented by pedestrians. Riding your bike on the sidewalk would probably have still resulted in him having to move off to the road to let them pass. Also, I believe he was stopped on the side of the road to talk to his friends when he was struck, but with everything that went ...more
By DidNot8989 (1), Hampton Bays on Jun 3, 10 2:04 AM
I'm with you on the DA's lack of action in this case, but to say you can guarantee he won't be re-elected easily is absurd. Have you voted recently? He runs unopposed, so if you intend for him to have a tough time getting back in, I suggest you find someone to run against him!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jun 3, 10 7:16 PM
If I were you, I would worry about the parents of the little boy that was killed. This woman made her choice to drive drunk and deserves whatever consequences come her way.
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 5, 10 8:32 PM
6 Month si way too light. The kid may have been stupid and irresponsible by swerving in front of the car, but if she were driving without insurance it would have been 100% her fault because she should not have been on the road in the first place. Same for the alcohol.

Another aspect that may have been a factor is the level of intoxication; she may not have been much over the limit (I do not recall the details of her case). The threshold for legal intoxication was reduced from .10 to ...more
By Funbeer (273), Southampton on May 28, 10 11:44 PM
Her level of intoxication was .13
Lets all so not forget she had her own child in front seat.
The driver has to use caution when driving plain and simple. Lets not try and make up excuses for this woman.The loser here is a 15 year old boy
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on May 29, 10 2:13 PM
Actually, the attitude of the courts is that a bicyclist is held to the same rules of the road as a motorist. And according to certain people, who remain unnamed, a motorist is not "required by law" to do anything when approaching pedestrians or bicyclists. However, had she been sober and thinking like any rational person would, you see kids on/near the road (and you can rest assured if she could see clearly she could have seen these kids from at least a block away) whether they are walking, on ...more
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on May 29, 10 10:29 PM
I recall driving a Kenworth down David's La. one day, headed toward Mecox Bay. There's a sharp bend in the road, and there is foliage which prevents seeing oncoming traffic.

Picture that, as you come to the bend and very quickly have to brake for a bicyclist moving at a good clip coming at you head on, pedaling down the wrong side of the road on a blind turn.

That wasn't the first time I encountered a bicyclist traveling into oncoming traffic, and I'm sure it won't be the last. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 29, 10 12:01 PM
The take home point here is legal limit or not, don't drink anything and drive your car. Period.

(Sorry, the second take home point is that I agree with pretty much everyone here that it is a tragedy - that boy's future is worth more than 6 months. She will serve it, get out and move on. A real tragedy.)
By DogLover (14), Wainscott on May 29, 10 10:57 PM
Just so, so sad. Some people have no scruples at all...let alone are they worthy of being parents. She jeopardized her own kid's life, and killed someone else's. What is wrong with this picture?! Was the judge even listening to the case~~ its despicable!!!

She was driving drunk, her kid in the car...right there, CPS should know about it.
Then she killed a human being. 6 months???? Makes me just sick to think about this...and the pain the poor mother of the boy she killed ...more
By AnonymousSgh (183), Sag Harbor on May 30, 10 9:33 PM
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By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 1, 10 6:10 PM
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By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Jun 2, 10 12:59 PM
What a crock.. It doesnt matter if this young man was jumping up and down in the middle of the road. The murderer should not have been driving period! Therefore, the murderer should have never killed this young man regardless of where he was riding, standing, swerving.. Once again, blame the victim, and protect the murderer....
By grimag (38), southampton on Jun 2, 10 8:15 AM
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By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jun 2, 10 5:35 PM
Removed? Really? Come on now with the unjust censorship!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jun 3, 10 7:17 PM
My point exactly. The justice system is trying to do the same thing to another young man that stepped off the curb before his friends and was killed by a drunk driver. They're saying he committed suicide. Let's just plea them all out, blame the victims, clear the docket and save the taxpayers money on a trial. What the HELL are we paying these people for?
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 2, 10 10:21 AM
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By J. Totta (106), Sag Harbor on Jun 2, 10 2:00 PM
A couple of weeks ago a Westchester County man was sentenced to one year in jail and one year probation for killing a dog.
By deelove (152), Bridgehampton on Jun 2, 10 2:55 PM
Was this while driving drunk? If so what was his BAC%.
Two weeks ago a Northport man was sentenced to 30 days for shooting a squirrel. Now that is harsh, considering he could've tied one on and run over a 15 year old and only gotten another 5 months!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jun 2, 10 5:38 PM
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Mr. Cliifford stated " the DA may have had a difficult time"....what lazyness on the part of the DA office. Look at the facts:

- Drunk.
- Open container.
- 6 year old in front seat.

The D.A. should have not taken the agreement and could have done their job. To think this gal will do six months and may do this again is so sad. Very Sad.
By GerryBayz (13), Hampton Bays on Jun 2, 10 9:26 PM
To ICE... when one is driving drunk they are engaging in attempted murder... when a poor victim gets in their way and actually kill someone while driving drunk then they are a murderer. Hope that clarifies...Over thirty people per day, 7 days per week, 52 weeks a year are murdered in drunk driving incidents. Thats over 10,000 people in the USA that are murdered year after year... think about how screwed up our priorities are as a society... when we practically put Toyota out of business, held all ...more
By grimag (38), southampton on Jun 2, 10 9:35 PM
I understand your point, but in this case the DA allowed for a plea of manslaughter and not vehicular homicide.
Please don't try and twist this to say I'm sticking up for this sad woman. All I'm saying is by definition manslaughter is not murder, therefore you a factually wrong. She should have been tried for vehicular homicide, then the sentence would have been much more severe.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jun 3, 10 7:21 PM
Its amazing to me just how many people drink and get behind the wheel. We need harsher laws. This is a prime example. This person not only was drunk behind the wheel, she killed someone. She took the life of a young boy and will only serve 6 months in prison. What would she have gotten if she didnt kill anyone? We as a society have to stop allowing people to drive drunk. We need to petition our lawmakers for harsher punishments. I live in Hampton Bays and want to see police check points set up ...more
By BC10879 (1), Hampton Bays on Jun 3, 10 3:08 AM
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By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 5, 10 8:35 PM
I think the days of beach bars and intoxicated day trippers should be over.We live in a seaside town not a zoo.If people want to drink they shouldn't drive.Period.A honk of the horn by a sober driver could've easily avoided the whole situation.I remember seeing Joe around town and was just heart broken when this happened, 6 months jail time is not enough time.
By randommom (4), hampton bays on Jun 3, 10 1:53 PM
This was a plea bargain what role does the judge have with it? I'm not defending him I'm just not sure how that works
By Enjoy LI (5), Mattituck on Jun 4, 10 10:55 AM
I think the Judge can reject the "deal," allow the defense to withdraw their plea, and either go to trial or enter into a new, stiffer arrangement.

I doubt that this will happen and I'm fairly sure that the current "deal" has all been informally agreed to.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Jun 4, 10 12:40 PM
Well Frank as always you show how you use of that thing on you shoulders.
Stop thinking Frank
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Jun 4, 10 11:43 PM
Don't want to get you bent out of shape or anything, but the judge CAN refuse the deal made between the DA's office and the defendant. Judge Doyle recently did this with the man that killed Karen Naclerio in April 2009.
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 5, 10 8:23 PM
Well all I can say is that if some DRUNK kiiled my 15 year old son and some DA and judge did not do what should have been done I would be the one going to jail.
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Jun 4, 10 6:50 PM
Plea Bargin To Get a Conviction Number....
By 1640sWhaler (74), Sag Harbor/Easthampton on Jun 4, 10 7:23 PM
By way of comparison, whatever happened to Karen Fisher, the DWI case where a retired Catholic Priest was struck by her and killed?

Anyone remember how that one was adjudicated?
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Jun 5, 10 1:16 AM
So many things don't add up in this deal. She had a previous arrest for DWI, she was talking on the phone, also BAC of .13 is one drink away from a felony DWI of .15 (so it's not like she had one or two drinks) This is insanity. Even if Mr. Marino did swerve into the road, THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE-- IT AFFECTS YOUR REFLEXES!!
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 5, 10 1:35 AM
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Such a shame, I hope she loses everything in civil action-- not that it would even come close to what the Marino's have lost. The judicial system has completely failed our community in this situation. The DA and judge should both be run out of town.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 5, 10 1:38 AM
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The priest was Monsignor William Costello. Karen Fisher, a repeat offender, was charged with manslaughter and is serving four to 12 years in prison.
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 5, 10 12:51 PM
I know someone who was her cell mate while in Riverhead, I believe she was released into rehab a couple years ago. Permitted to go to Florida as she has family there. My memory is bad but I dont think she is still serving time.
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Jun 9, 10 5:02 PM
maybe the DA needs to put himself in their position
By Bridgehampton (36), Bridgehampton on Jun 6, 10 12:30 AM
Who did this woman know to have gotten as little as a scolding for killing this boy, endangering her own childs life and those simply driving alongside her in traffic? Perhaps had she not killed the boy and hit a deer she would have gotten upwards of 6 years.
How can the law be upheld for anyone else should they God forbid kill someone while driving drunk. What deterrent is there?
By localwater (35), east hampton on Jun 8, 10 8:52 PM
Disgusting. Those of us who disagree should each write a letter to the judge and copy it to the DA expressing what we think. Would the Press please print their names and addresses? Thanks. Just venting frustration here will do no good. Letters might get those involved in the decision to act differently in the future. We need to get drunks like this despicable woman off the road. The child she killed could have been any of ours - or theirs.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Jun 9, 10 1:18 PM
Seems like a bunch of typical "Hampton's Politics"
6 months for "taking a life, prior incidents involving alcohol and a controlled substance, having a child in the front seat of the car, as well as an open container of alcohol." I wonder how much time the DA is going to suggest to those drug pushers? (the big heroin bust) I doubt NOT a single person involved will get a simple 6 months, even those with no priors.. It's going to be very interesting to see how this works out!
By nylajen (8), Bayshore on Jun 9, 10 1:21 PM
she should go to jail forever. she ruined a family and his friends lives. she killed someone. she should be in jail for the longest time. does she even know how his friends feel? no, deffinatly not. his family? even worse. six months is nothing. i miss you joe<3
By ihateyou1 (1), riverhead on Jun 9, 10 8:03 PM
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Forever???? Id hate to have you on a jury. I agree that her prior record and fact she was drinking with a child in the front seat alone constitues a greater sentence but it doesnt constitute life. The boys death was a tragic accident. Was it due to her being impaired or him swerving into her lane. The article seemed to indicate this was an accident due in part by the bike riders wreckless driving. I do not know MS Gross or the deceased but am basing opinion on the facts in the article
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 11, 10 9:19 AM
Here's a link to a site that tracks opinions of County Judges. I urge everybody to weigh in on this matter. Judge Gary Weber should answer for this injustice.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 10, 10 5:01 AM
Law Clerk: Thomas F. Moore, Secretary: Diane S. Mullen
Chambers: Arthur M. Cromarty Court Complex
210 Center Drive, Riverhead, NY 11901
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 10, 10 5:26 AM
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Letters to the judge should include:
RE: Offender Caroline M Goss
Case # SC1-01014-2010
Victim: Joseph Marino
Date of Crash: 8/12/2009

Maybe if enough people write, he will give up and do the right thing.
Also, thinking about protesting the Riverhead Court Bldg, Mon-Thursday (sentencing day).
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 10, 10 3:35 PM
If she gets just 6 months than the guy who killed his g/f in the motorcycle crash should get 1 or 2 months. Goss was drunk and older and should hav known better. Byank was just dumb but sober.
By SirHampton (60), quogue on Jun 11, 10 9:16 PM
That is an insane comment. The kid on the bike got in a high speed chase with with his pregnant girlfriend on the back of his missile. Goss had a biciclyst cut in front of her. Reports have the biker weaving in and out of traffic. If she hadn't been drinking it would be labeled an accident and no time served. In the courts you need evidence that her impairment led to the bikers death and not his recklessness. In the motorcyle accident the driver was clearly at fault.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 12, 10 12:43 AM
"Reports have the biker weaving in and out of traffic"? Where are you getting this information from? The DA's office even said the witnesses statements say "may have" swerved into the road. NOT weaving in and out!
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 12, 10 9:04 AM
so you're saying its OK to get drunk, drive and kill little boys if there is a technicallity?
By SirHampton (60), quogue on Jun 12, 10 1:28 AM
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Of course not. Her major crimes which she must answer to is her repeated offense of drunk driving and the fact she had a minor in the front seat with her but killing little boys give me a break. If someone swerved in front of you while you were driving and you hit them is it an accident or are you killer? The facts and testimony of the witnesses speak for themselves. She is a person who needs help but not a killer. On a personnal level my heart goes out to the family who lost a child so young. I ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 12, 10 6:23 AM
And if a drunk driver ran one of them over, would you blame your child or the drunk driver? Let's be real here. She deliberately committed the crime of drinking and driving. She's a mom, a critical care nurse, a repeat offender, had her own child in the car! How many laws do you have to break before you go to jail? A sober person would have seen kids in the bike route and done what most sober people do, avoid the possibility of an "accident". This wasn't an accident. It was a collision. As for several ...more
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 12, 10 9:11 AM
Not so, Razza. She has plead GUILTY to vehicular manslaughter, meaning that she is to be punished for "killing a little boy," not the other less serious offenses. The fact that she has acknowledged that it was her actions that caused Mr. Marino's death takes out of the arguement whether or not she is responsible. The sticking point is the light sentnce. 6 months is far less than what one might get on that charge alone. Taking the other charges, and criminal history into account there is no ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 14, 10 12:59 AM
"Her major crimes which she must answer to is her repeated offense of drunk driving and the fact she had a minor in the front seat with her "

Her major crime was Vehicular manslaughter, the other charges (which she plead guilty to as well) are just reasons for a harsher penalty.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 14, 10 1:02 AM
If she wasnt drunk she would have had the proper reaction time to slam on the brakes.
By SirHampton (60), quogue on Jun 12, 10 6:52 AM
plus a 6 month sentence is really only 4 months on good behavior. It makes no sense really.
By SirHampton (60), quogue on Jun 12, 10 7:32 AM
I don't want to belittle the point but due to witness accounts it does not appear that her sobriety would have had a different result. You are labeling her a killer. The courts would need to change the laws to justfy your comments.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 12, 10 8:04 AM
sounds like some people would like to have a law where if you hit a kid that swerves in front of you you should go to jail get real.
By banjack (45), port jeff on Jun 12, 10 4:04 PM
nobody is saying that. Just that she didn't belong on the road to begin with. She was drunk, she's the criminal. NOT the victim. The victim is lying in a grave.
By dadof2 (15), hampton bays on Jun 12, 10 6:06 PM
Agreed. She should not have been on the road and she committed a crime. I do not think anyone argues against that. The arguement centers around the punishment handed down and over what factors contributed to the tragic death of the biker
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 12, 10 7:15 PM
Just want to make a point here. Supposedly she was reaching for her phone..which would take her eyes off the road. Correct? Not proveable. Second. Supposedly Joe was swerving in and out of the lane. Not proveable. Pure speculation. Notice that nothing was mentioned about her on her phone anymore. Hmmm. Wonder why. Seems like all the attention is being put on the victim. But it cannot be proven. If she was watching where she was driving, there is no way she could have missed hitting ...more
By Diane S. (4), Massapequa on Jun 14, 10 10:51 PM
I agree. One of the first reports of this that came out had to do with the fact that Ms. Goss "was reaching for her cell phone at the time of the crash". And all types of cellular communication are illegal in New York while driving, so is that not an issue anymore. Should they not take that as truth anymore because it "can't be proved" even if the lawyer released that statement from the driver's mouth? Hmm...

But however, it's totally PROVABLE that the victim swerved into the road. Because ...more
By skeezador (5), HB on Jun 15, 10 10:02 AM
First off, this is a horrible accident. These kind of things happen everyday drunk, sober, stupid, alert, cell-phoned, caffeinated and so-forth.

The debate however is quite interesting. If this driver was sober this would be quite different altogether, the driver would be free to go. We would caulk this up as a horrible accident and move on. But since the person had alcohol on board it has turned into a lynch mob. Don't get me wrong drinking and driving is wrong, in fact we should put breathalyzers ...more
By mmmichael (1), Austin on Jun 16, 10 1:23 AM
could not have said it better.put breathalyzerson all cars.these people will complain that the fines are not enough but put an end to dwi well we dont want to go that far.if we do that then terer will be no drunk drivers will there. problem sloved.
By banjack (45), port jeff on Jun 25, 10 3:00 PM