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Jul 26, 2017 10:39 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Fred Havemeyer's Petition To Run In Democratic Primary Is Challenged

Fred Havemeyer.
Jul 26, 2017 4:37 PM

Southampton Town Democrats have filed a general challenge against Fred Havemeyer’s petition with the Suffolk County Board of Elections to run in a primary against incumbent Supervisor Jay Schneiderman in September.

Gordon Herr, the Democratic Party leader in Southampton Town, confirmed on Tuesday that he had challenged the petition, although he would not point to any particular problems with the document.

“It’s still being reviewed,” he said, noting that the review should be completed in about a week.

Mr. Schneiderman, an Independence Party member who is seeking the Democratic line in November, said on Wednesday afternoon that Southampton Democrats are challenging some of the signatures on the petition and, more specifically, the way in which some of them were gathered.

“We are just simply exercising our right under election law,” Mr. Schneiderman said. “The petitions, we believe, are inadequate. There are numerous non-Democrats who are included and other legal problems with the petitions as submitted.

He continued: “In addition, numerous people who did sign believed they were signing to place me on the ballot because the petitioners instructed the person at the door to sign for the Democratic slate—and the petition included [Town Councilwoman] Julie Lofstad’s and [Town Board candidate] John Schiavoni’s names without their permission or consent. People thought they were signing for the three individuals submitted by the Democratic committee.

“This approach is deceitful and reveals the character of Mr. Havemeyer and his campaign,” Mr. Schneiderman added.

According to Mr. Herr, the general challenge was filed as an attempt to avoid a Democratic primary, which is set for Tuesday, September 12. “He is not the candidate of our choice,” Mr. Herr said of Mr. Havemeyer. “And he’s not a serious candidate.”

He added that he doesn’t think that Mr. Havemeyer has what it takes to defeat the Republican candidate for town supervisor, Ray Overton, in November’s election. Both Mr. Havemeyer and Mr. Overton are former Southampton Town Trustees.

“He’s a one-issue candidate,” Mr. Herr said of Mr. Havemeyer. “He’s a one-issue person.”

Mr. Herr pointed to the Long Island Environmental Voters Forum putting Mr. Havemeyer, a former Republican, up to run in the primary mainly because of his promise to vote down a proposed luxury golf course resort community targeting nearly 600 acres in East Quogue called “The Hills at Southampton.” The application is before the town to build 117 residential units and an 18-hole golf course along Spinney Road in East Quogue.

The general challenge was filed on July 17—just a few days after the deadline for the petition to be submitted with the Suffolk County Board of Elections. Anita Katz, the Suffolk County Democratic election commissioner, declined to comment on the general challenge, noting that the Board of Elections does not comment on cases where there is pending litigation.

David Reisfield, executive director of the Long Island Environmental Voters Forum, said the general challenge signals to him that the current supervisor—an Independence Party member who was cross-endorsed by Southampton Town Democrats when he made his first bid for supervisor in 2015—is worried about losing in the primary.

“It looks like what they are trying to do is run a stalling tactic,” Mr. Reisfield said. “When you’re grasping at straws, any reason is a good reason to get into court.”

Mr. Reisfield also noted that Mr. Havemeyer received 699 signatures on his petition—nearly 150 more than is required.

“The developer-backed political machine, apparently, will stop at nothing to retain their stranglehold on our town,” Mr. Havemeyer added in an email. “The will of the people and free choice are viewed simply as impediments by them. Jay Schneiderman & Company should be ashamed of themselves for their transparently low behavior.”

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I think Mr Herr is mistaken that Fred can't beat Overton. Mr Herr is has a attitude problem. Who is better for Southampton?
I'm with Fred and many in Southampton are, regardless of political party...
By knitter (1890), Southampton on Jul 26, 17 2:46 PM
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... I would call anyone that got 700 signatures, as the Democrat Havemeyer did, to the Independent Schneiderman's 1,000, a "serious" candidate.
By William Rodney (555), southampton on Jul 26, 17 3:55 PM
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As they have done in the past, the Southampton Town Democratic Organization will hike up its skirts and whistle lasciviously at anyone, no matter their registration, who looks like they have a shot against whoever the GOP is backing. (Think Thiele, Penny, Throne-Holst. all the way back to Marty Lang.

Fred Hevemeyer has at least had the good graces to register as a Democrat, something none of the others cared to do, and the Town Dems, displaying naked opportunism, have welcomed them with ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Jul 26, 17 4:19 PM
how many years does an elected official have to serve to be eligible for a pension?
By Resident tax (182), Hampton bays ny on Jul 26, 17 5:49 PM
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Frank Wheeler. Except that he might not have gotten 700 valid signatures. He may have gotten some fraudulent signatures. Maybe a lot of fraudulent signatures. In which case Mr. Havemeyer and his supporters may be in a pickle. We shall see.
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 26, 17 11:39 PM
I appreciate Fred's honesty with the entire mess created by the Republicans at the Town Trustees department. What a disgrace! But on the issue of The Hills, Fred has gotten way out in front of himself and the application before the Boards. In his recent ViewPoint in the Southampton Press, Jay Schneiderman eloquently and accurately explained the process by which he would review and vote in favor of the application for The Hills. I don't know that anyone could have expressed it better; not me, ...more
By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Jul 27, 17 12:01 PM
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First, just to keep perspective, let's remember that this whole primary campaign of Fred Havemeyer's will dissolve when the Town Board votes, as it should, to deny the application of The Hills, because that's Fred's one and only issue.

Next, that last comment of Fred Havemeyer's is unworthy of him. To call it "transparently low behavior" for people to exercise their plain rights under the State's Election Law is all wrong, and Fred will realize that when he calms down. He's a much better ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jul 27, 17 12:59 PM
Fred IS a registered Democrat, unlike these Independence party charlatans that pose as Democrats but run as Independence and Conservative party members. If Mark Hissey and his Hills ilk are supporting Jay Schneiderman in the comments section above what does that tell you? Go Fred!!!
By CleanWaters (80), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 3:28 PM
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It tells me that Jay Schneiderman likes to follow the rule of law, long term planning, science, and has a strong sense of fair play. He doesn't buy into the banana republic way of governance that others are hoping will derail a great project for residents of East Quogue and the Town of Southampton.
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 28, 17 11:17 PM
... the PDD law has been shown by Schneiderman to be a joke, so he trashed it. discovery has no right under existing zoning to do what they have proposed, they are operating under this flawed law. Very easy for the town to shut them down. How can they still be considering this thing when they flushed the law that mistakenly allowed it to get this far?

By William Rodney (555), southampton on Jul 27, 17 4:53 PM
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Just as there was nothing wrong with the vast majority of group rentals that could not have been corrected by judicious application of noise, littering and parking regulations, there was nothing wrong with the PDD law that a little tweaking would not have cured. There was a reason for its original enactment and those reasons exist today, only more so.

Take a look around, talk to local business owners about how well they're doing this year. No need to wait until Tumbleweed Tuesday; feel ...more
By VOS (1229), WHB on Jul 28, 17 2:31 AM
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“This approach is deceitful and reveals the character of Mr. Havemeyer and his campaign,” Mr. Schneiderman added. The character of Mr. Havemeyer?!!! Are you kidding us, Jay? Fred Havemeyer was in the thick of it for years, fighting against the corruption of Throne-Holst while you were backing her all the way. I don't necessarily agree with halting the process for The Hills until it has run its course, but Fred has EVERY right to run a primary (as ATH did).

As for Gordon Herr ...more
By Earthgirl (52), Southampton on Jul 28, 17 1:00 AM
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This is going to be good... Think I'll get some popcorn and stay tuned.

There's a lot of things to be said about Freddy. But his lack of character isn't one of his short comings. Pretty low sound bite there, Jay. Freddy and his late wife Ceal stood up against any issue they felt was wrong. I don't always agree with him, but his moral character isn't up for debate.
By Draggerman (940), Southampton on Jul 28, 17 5:11 AM
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You're right about Jay's sound bite, Drag, but check out Fred's, concerning which see my post above. Seems like this stuff always degenerates into playground dialogue, even when good people are involved.

Speaking of good people -- BREAKING NEWS: Jay Schneiderman has just received the endorsement of the New York League of Conservation Voters. Probably they read Jay's Viewpoint piece in the Press and looked at his whole long record of standing up for our environment. Looks like Dick Amper's ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jul 28, 17 11:12 AM
Why are the Hills people so against Fred? Do they know something about Jay's decision we don't? I signed the petition for Fred and it was done properly and honorably. Shame on those who question Fred's integrity.
By Taz (695), East Quogue on Jul 28, 17 12:03 PM
Given that Fred Havemeyer has made his outright opposition to The Hills THE focal and sole reason for him running for Supervisor, how on earth can you possibly ask a question like that? It is crystal clear and self evident. And given the overwhelming scientific, fiscal and economic facts that supports the approval on The Hills, why on earth would any advocate for The Hills support him? It has nothing to do with Jay Schneiderman. It has everything to do with right and wrong.

Your signature ...more
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 28, 17 10:57 PM
... desperate.
By William Rodney (555), southampton on Jul 29, 17 9:41 AM
Not even a little bit. You may want to check that definition.
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 12:38 PM
The Town Democrat machine stands for nothing but party over substance, Fred is an honorable man who stands up for what he believes, not sure the same can be said for Jay. He reneged on his offer to make Hot Dog beach a drive on beach, sat down with Bloomberg twice to discuss selling OUR road running through Shinnecock Golf Course and has been a political hack for most of his life, I'll take Fred .
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Jul 29, 17 8:57 AM
to Mark Hissey:

Quote:

"When you are referring to somebody who had relatives slaughtered in the Holocaust, it is never a good idea to make a reference to "Gestapo-like" tactics being used. In fact, it is absolutely shameful and has offended both Jews and Gentiles alike. And to date, I have yet to read any sort of apology for this rhetoric from Mr Havemeyer.

That is both sad and inexcusable. It has nothing to do with integrity, but it has everything to do with judgement."
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Not ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 9:43 AM
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Not a reflection on his character at all as I clearly said. Quote:

"It has nothing to do with integrity, but it has everything to do with judgement."

And you are actually making the claim that "sadistic brutality" is what is happening with a legal process of determining somebody's eligibility for participating in an election? Any reference to the Nazi regime to create a positive for oneself has no place in 21st century discourse. That's my opinion of course. You clearly think otherwise.

And ...more
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 12:49 PM
Is DLC afraid to let the people choose? Desperate moves by desperate people. I thought the claim was that the people want the Hills? NOT. Also, Fred is a democrat, Jay is not.
By Taz (695), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 11:30 AM
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Let me be clear. NO.

One hundred percent no. The reason being that the public hearings, the written support coupled with the lackluster support for your view makes me ever more confident that the right thing will be done for the future on East Quogue. Like the poster above, you may want to check on the true definition of desperation. A dozen people showing up for each of Mr Havemeyer's rallies does not indicate overwhelming for him or your cause.

The legal disqualification of ...more
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 1:07 PM
Jeez Mark Hissey, the very thought of Fred running against Jay in a primary obviously scares the crap out of you. Not a bought and paid for Democrat hack like Jay , that's for sure!
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Jul 29, 17 1:25 PM
I just don't know how much more emphatic I can be in telling you that I'm not. I just play the numbers. The nitrogen numbers, the tax numbers, the economic numbers, and the numbers I can count in public displays of support.

From my standpoint, I would like Fred Havemeyer to run against Jay Schneiderman in a primary. Very much actually. Because I know that Havemeyer would lose in a landslide. That would be a a firm repudiation of his anti-Hills stance and would simply reaffirm to the Town ...more
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 2:02 PM
"Overwhelming public support is for the approval of the Hills project." Just a truly delusional statement sir, have you polled all residents of the Town? You conned a bunch of UTI builders to show up to your meetings and are basing your assumption on those numbers. As a recent arrival to our beautiful east end you obviously have no understanding of local politics, Fred has a stellar reputation of decades of standing up for the residents of the Town of Southampton, standing up for what he believes ...more
By bigfresh (4587), north sea on Jul 29, 17 4:09 PM
Your first allegation is factually untrue. You may want to find solace in claiming that builders made up our support. I've challenged opponents to look at the recordings of the hearings and then make the same claim. Nobody does. The reason for that is a better than 2:1 ratio of support versus opponent speakers at the hearings. They are all identified and three of them were up-island builders. Three.

But you getting your facts dead wrong isn't limited to that. Your claim that I am a recent ...more
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 9:30 PM
Freddy doesn't have a chance. The only votes he'll get are the "Hills No" faction. But, as previously stated by my friend TB, this primary may put Ray Overton on Hampton Road.

It does interest me that the Dems can't get one solid Dem to run for Supervisor. Freddy ran as a Republican as a Trustee. Mostly because, other than Billy Pell, Dems don't usually win trustee bids. Jay is really an Independent, endorsed by the Dems. ATH was Independent, endorsed by the Dems.
By Draggerman (940), Southampton on Jul 30, 17 7:46 AM
to Mark Hissey:

Quote:

"Not a reflection on his character at all as I clearly said. Quote:

'It has nothing to do with integrity, but it has everything to do with judgement.'"
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DOUBLETHINK (once again from "1984".) Character and judgment are inextricably linked.

You impugned Mr. Havemeyer's character with your specious, undeserved and hyperbolic accusation.

The only "shameful" act here is wholly owned by ...more
By highhatsize (4174), East Quogue on Jul 30, 17 10:51 AM
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My apologies. He did not say "Gestapo-like". He actually said this:

“The developer-backed political machine apparently will stop at nothing to retain their stranglehold on our town,” Mr. Havemeyer emailed The Star yesterday, adding that Mr. Schneiderman had said he “welcomes a political challenge, while on the other hand he unleashes his political Gestapo to shoot down our petition of almost 700 voters anxious to have their voices heard.”

So Mr Havemeyer ...more
By Mark Hissey (171), East Quogue on Jul 30, 17 2:08 PM
The Democrat leadership is backing Jay. The Hills people are backing Jay. What does that tell you? We are being lied to by the Democrat leadership. We need to tell these political hacks NO! We want a Real Democrat with Democrat values like Fred Havemeyer!
By CleanWaters (80), Southampton on Jul 30, 17 11:09 AM
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A "real" Democrat?

Freddy ran as a Republican in his last campaign.
By Draggerman (940), Southampton on Jul 31, 17 6:47 AM
Is Jay even a democrat???????
By Taz (695), East Quogue on Jul 31, 17 11:38 AM
Not sure, but I think that Fred ran as a conservative the last time. The republicans would not fund his reelection and fred changed parties. He also received more votes than any trustee.
He is well liked by all in southampton. All our parties here are influenced by MONEY...
By knitter (1890), Southampton on Jul 31, 17 11:55 AM
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