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Sep 13, 2016 12:12 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Petition To Keep Tuckahoe Road Open Gains Traction

James Ding with portions of his petition.    JEN NEWMAN
Sep 13, 2016 1:09 PM

A petition to keep all of Tuckahoe Road open to the public—noting its “magnificent views” for bicyclists, walkers and joggers as well as drivers—has collected more than 2,000 signatures so far.

The petition comes in response to a pitch to close a quarter-mile section of Tuckahoe Road that now runs through the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club—instead rerouting the road around the club—with the promise of millions of dollars in community benefits.

“Privatizing a public entity is just a dangerous precedent,” said James Ding, a member of the Noyac Citizens Advisory Committee, who started an online version of the petition on August 23 that now has more than 200 signatures, as well as a paper version that has garnered approximately 2,000.

“I am doing this because town supervisors and town councils come and go— but this will be permanent,” Mr. Ding said last week.

“I support Southampton Town in keeping Tuckahoe Road and not selling it to the Shinnecock Golf Club,” says the paper version of the petition. “I support the Southampton Town officials who vote in favor of keeping Tuckahoe Road for everyone.”

Mr. Ding said he is bringing his petition to all the citizens advisory committees in town and that most residents he has encountered favor keeping public access to the road.

“It’s been an overwhelming response,” he said. “As soon as I mention the word ‘golf club’ they grab my clipboard, there’s no resistance. It’s just a hot topic, people are tired of this.”

Bob Schepps, a member of the Southampton, Tuckahoe and Shinnecock Hills Citizens Advisory Committee, said at the group’s most recent meeting that he understands Mr. Ding’s efforts and agrees with a lot of his points, but sees the club’s offer to pay to move the road as an opportunity for the town.

“Shinnecock Hills wants something,” he said. “For me, there is potential here to get something for something. We should come to the table to say, let’s talk. They’re asking for something huge—we can get something huge in return.”

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said he would like to see the petition, which can be found at ipetitions.com/petition/tuckahoe-road.

Representatives from the club could not be reached for comment.

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Disagree with Bob Schepps here. There is nothing "Yuge" to get here, other than a guarantee to the public that this road, and the vistas will remain publicly available. It's not about dollars. Find dollars elsewhere. This is about carving off a little bit of Southampton natural beauty for a weak safety claim that in any case can be mitigated many with many other effective alternatives. Yes, the supervisor should meet with all sides, but in the end, this should not be seriously considered, as it ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Sep 13, 16 12:43 PM
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Agree with Bob Schepps. Not only would Town receive funds, but this will deter traffic from using this as a short cut, since will no longer be a straight run thru the golf course. Golf course views will still be there.
By Yawney (1), Southampton on Sep 13, 16 1:34 PM
Gee. Shocking. Shinnecock Members want the road closed.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 14, 16 8:33 AM
Hey Yawney how about we leave our road where it is? Better yet why dont we use eminent domain and buy the course so everyone can play golf not the few lucky snobs.
By chief1 (2788), southampton on Sep 13, 16 1:56 PM
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I do agree with the premise that we do not want to set a precedent especially when our property rights are getting challenged such as with the Picnic Grounds and Truck Beach in EH, however the realignment would make the road more usable and provide vistas as well and bike paths. The thought of getting some money out of the club for other means is also appealing and we hold the poker chip. They would pay for the road work so there is no tax to us and gives more money. Its interesting I wouldn't be ...more
By North Sea Citizen (564), North Sea on Sep 13, 16 3:03 PM
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Southampton Town Highway Superintendent Alex Gregor was a class act at the town meeting, a voice of reason. Notice he's not invited. It's not about reason, money. Alex stand tall!
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Sep 13, 16 3:07 PM
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Why does jay want to see the petitions. Is he totally Brain Dead??? He knows whats right and wrong.
Just likes his mug in the paper...
By knitter (1903), Southampton on Sep 13, 16 5:49 PM
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Maybe he really doesn't know right from wrong, and that's pretty disturbing, because if he did he would have dropped this thing weeks ago.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Sep 13, 16 8:07 PM
When I first heard of this absurdity, I had hoped that it was a piece from "The Onion".

Apparently not...

Sep 13, 16 7:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
Our public assets are NOT for sale.
By Mr. Z (11676), North Sea on Sep 13, 16 7:42 PM
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When do the "Town For Sale" flyers go out?

Shameful pandering to wealth and power IMO.

As Z says, our Freeholder assets are NOT for sale!
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Sep 13, 16 9:39 PM
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Since when does the status quo need to be petitioned for? Let the proposers of this debacle petition for the change they so selfishly desire. Just find a way to ensure they're not paying for signatures.
By VOS (1230), WHB on Sep 13, 16 9:40 PM
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One thing no one has touched on about closing Tuckahoe Rd is effect on response time for a house fire north of Shinnecock or even at Shinnecock itself. Right now, responders from the St Andrews station can cut through Tuckahoe Rd. to get there quickly.

If it's closed, they would have to detour east to Tuckahoe Ln or west to Shrubland Rd to reach points north of the club. When every minute counts, do we really need to force our emergency responders to take the long way? I don't think ...more
By itsamazing (223), Southampton on Sep 13, 16 10:58 PM
Protect public beach access!!
By H2O (85), easthampton on Sep 13, 16 11:40 PM
Jay: whiskey tango foxtrot???!!! A simple NO is what is required, the road is not for sale
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Sep 14, 16 12:57 AM
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Go ahead Jay, put a referendum on a ballot.

See how far you get...
By Mr. Z (11676), North Sea on Sep 14, 16 6:07 AM
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So which one of you voted for this schmuck? When are the voters going to place someone in office that has their best interest at heart? Why do lazy voters on the East End continually vote the same dolts into higher office year after year? When the voters put people like this into office, they get people like this.

By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 14, 16 6:54 AM
I'd like to see the signatures too. I'm curious where he has been collecting these. CAC meetings? How many people attend these meetings? I have not seen anyone around collecting signatures at places such as S&S in Village, or BH Commons, or even KK in Hampton Bays to name a few places I've been too recently. So who has seen this list? 2000 signatures seems very high to me for SH. 200 online seems more realistic, but again where has this collection been advertised? I have not been aware of it until ...more
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Sep 14, 16 8:12 AM
I saw the article regarding this petition about 3 weeks ago ...... I believe Mr Ding may have posted a comment to advertise the petition..
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Sep 15, 16 7:59 AM
Thank you. Could you please elaborate where this article was published and is it for the online petition or the physical petition? Do you know where these physical petitions have been collected? Thanx
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Sep 15, 16 9:04 AM
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I searched for the article where I saw the comment posted about the petition and I cannot find it anymore ......... one of those article that the press has " lost in the fog" I assume ....
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Sep 16, 16 6:53 AM
All the recent articles on this topic are still on here (up on the left). I suppose its buried in one of those. But do you know how and where the physical signatures are collected? Have you seen anyone doing this?
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Sep 16, 16 9:32 AM
Dont know what to tell you . I read the comment about the petition an I signed it ...online . Your welcome.


By toes in the water (884), southampton on Sep 16, 16 10:11 PM
Thanx. Its a mystery to me how he got all of the physical signatures. Maybe the press will do an update listing where he got them from. :)
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Sep 16, 16 11:21 PM
DING DING DING!!! We have a winner. Thank you Mr. Ding for taking the initiative.
2,000 signatures is impressive...guess they'll have to check the authenticity- like that Shinnecock deed from the late 1600s...
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Sep 14, 16 8:59 AM
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New idea, widen the road [three lanes] put up chain link fence to protect cars. How about wall like the Expressway.
Town Board, stop this fool...
By knitter (1903), Southampton on Sep 14, 16 10:00 AM
One could get thousands of objections to the golf clubs desire to close this road. The club doesn't like the cars passing by while they are sitting on the deck having cocktails in the late afternoon. Their idea creates more danger elsewhere. The Town Board should be focusing on the many real problems in this town.
By esg1192 (9), Southampton on Sep 14, 16 11:17 AM
The only plausible reason for Jay's keeping this question alive for so many weeks is that he has foreknowledge of the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club's intent with regard to future offers.

As we have seen in recent days, some posters have suggested that they might, indeed, be willing to sell Tuckahoe Rd., community outrage to date notwithstanding, if the price were right.

How will that community react when Mike et freres plump down $5 or $10 million for the Tuckahoe School District ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 14, 16 4:06 PM
Preserve Tuckahoe Road!
Preserve Beach Access!
By Hamptonsseashell (359), on Sep 14, 16 5:36 PM
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I don't understand how a payoff to the Tuckahoe School District could be on the table. The Town and the School District is two separate entities. The School District taxpayers is a subset of the SHT taxpayers. (Notwithstanding it probably should not happen at all!)
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Sep 14, 16 6:07 PM
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Right. Tuckahoe is a Southampton Town asset, not a Tuckahoe School District property. What's one got to do with the other? Apples and oranges.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Oct 4, 16 7:50 PM
These golf course need to start paying their share of property taxes
By clamdigger (83), Quogue on Sep 14, 16 7:52 PM
Clamdigger, as you said the reduced property go the four golf courses is why tuckahoe schools can't be solvent. Remember the supervisor that had reduced their taxes and is now running for office again. These clubs are a not for profit worth millions of dollars. Please pay your fair share...
By knitter (1903), Southampton on Sep 15, 16 11:10 AM
I was very vocal on here during the election last year that jay was a carpetbagger that didn't connect with Southampton. I hate to say it, but Yaz wouldn't be discussing this.
By Draggerman (941), Southampton on Sep 20, 16 8:54 AM
You might well have a point here Drag. Whether its being a carpetbagger or imaging all those future campaign finance donations he could be raking in.

If the Supervisor is serious about his concern for the need for work force housing perhaps he should be thinking of an eminent domain taking of the golf course. Its an ideal locale with easy access to the bus route on County Road 39. It should not be that costly based upon the low tax rate of the golf course. it would not only provide ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Sep 20, 16 11:19 PM
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Actually, he did discuss it at the Aug. 4th meeting and was, as you say, NOT interested in the idea at all. Good for him.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Sep 20, 16 10:30 PM