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Jul 12, 2016 12:13 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Officials Meet At Triton Lane To Discuss Opening Second Ocean Beach-Driving Area

Triton Lane Beach in East Quogue.  DANA SHAW
Jul 13, 2016 3:25 PM

Should “Hot Dog Beach” in East Quogue be opened to beach driving during the day in summer?

Southampton Town Trustees, Town Board members and beach access advocates gathered last week at Triton Lane in East Quogue to discuss that very issue.

At the meeting, Trustees President Ed Warner and Trustee Scott Horowitz met with Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman, Councilwoman Christine Scalera, and three members of the Southampton Association for Beach Access, or SABA.

Hot Dog Beach is off Dune Road, about four miles west of the Shinnecock Inlet. Opening it as a drive-on beach during the day could relieve pressure on the “Picnic Area” in Southampton Village—the only stretch of ocean beach in Southampton Town where people are permitted to drive and park between 9 a.m. and 6 p.m. in summer, as long as they have a village and town beach driving permit.

“The issue has been narrowness at that beach,” Mr. Warner said of Hot Dog Beach. “Now that it’s built back up, we’re trying to achieve more access for the people of Southampton.”

The meeting last week was the first where Mr. Schneiderman weighed in on the topic, and Mr. Warner, who supports opening Hot Dog Beach, said he thought it went well. “I think he’s open to more beach access,” Mr. Warner said of the supervisor. “He’s always been a good legislator for opening access.”

The stretch being considered is about 1,000 feet wide, Mr. Warner said, and the Trustees are looking to open only 700 to 800 feet to daytime driving. The remaining 200 feet at the eastern edge would be for beachgoers only, no vehicles.

Since part of the area being looked at was purchased by the town using the Community Preservation Fund, town officials will explore whether there are restrictions that could prevent them from opening the beach to four-wheel-drive vehicles.

Mr. Schneiderman warned that a great deal of research needs to be done before the Town Board decides whether to move forward with the proposal. Although the area of beach is a fair distance from the nearest homes, an environmental impact study would need to be completed, and there would have to be a public hearing.

“We need to allow the public to be heard,” Mr. Schneiderman said. “I think there are a number of people in the community who like to drive on the beach. … I’m certainly willing to listen to all sides of the debate.”

John Kosciusko, the president of SABA, said positive ideas came out of the meeting, and that he is hopeful the Trustees and Town Board can work together.

The Picnic Area has become more and more crowded, and a lawsuit filed last year by nearby homeowners against the Town Trustees and the Village of Southampton appears to have spurred a townwide search.

Filed by Southampton-based attorney Nica Strunk on behalf of Meadow Lane residents with homes near the Picnic Area, the lawsuit claims there were 2,500 beach-driving permits issued last year, and as many as 500 vehicles park in rows along the beach in summer.

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Finally, a progressive idea/alternative from this Town Board!
By Mouthampton (439), Southampton on Jul 12, 16 12:53 PM
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Nah, just make Hot Dog Beach a nude beach again
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jul 12, 16 12:59 PM
please no.

This beach is great as it is, why ruin it !?

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 12, 16 1:56 PM
This is truly terrible, here's why:

- Hampton Bays and East Quogue have some of our best beaches...why? Because there are (mostly) no homes on this stretch of beach, there's plenty of parking in the summer, and walking/spreading out between the entire stretch on foot is very easy.

- Why would we need to add trucks to beaches that are already very accessible ?

- Dune Rd. already has plenty of beach parking / camping on the western end at Cupsogue.

Here's what ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 12, 16 2:24 PM
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This is WONDERFUL news!!!!!!! There are many Hampton Bays, East Quogue & West Hampton Residents who frequent the Picnic Area ! Triton Lane Beach sounds like a great spot to open up for 4x4 access!!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 12, 16 4:40 PM
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What?
There's a parking lot right there and a parking lot on the bay side, it's huge. Why on earth would you need to drive onto the beach there?

This makes no sense.

Have you ever been to this beach?
By dogfacejones (81), Southampton on Jul 12, 16 4:54 PM
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There is plenty of parking at the HB beaches - no need to park on the beach. The beaches are always crowded with people and should be enjoyed by people - not trucks. Terrible idea.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Jul 12, 16 6:34 PM
If Picnic Area Beach is limited to 175 vehicles , the already crowded beaches will only get worse....

And if theres plenty of parking at the HB beaches , it wont stay that way for long...

By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 12, 16 7:39 PM
500 vehicles??? This article needs some updating. Greg, please identify your source. It is blatant misinformation.
By shch (4), Southampton on Jul 12, 16 8:35 PM
it seems that SABA may be just another blind lobbying group...
By dogfacejones (81), Southampton on Jul 12, 16 9:30 PM
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You couldn't be more inaccurate. Actually SABA was started - unofficially- hundreds of years ago when the White family began driving the beach from Bridgehampton to Southampton to transport produce. Stop over at the Southampton Historical Museum. They'll teach you all about it.
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Jul 13, 16 6:16 AM
maybe they've lost their way.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 13, 16 10:13 AM
SABA is a great group of locals who are trying to do the very best for the community they live in.....oh and 500 vehicles, the attorney for the homeowner is grossly exaggerating her so called facts. Open up more access!
By rjhdad (73), southampton on Jul 13, 16 4:59 AM
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SABA is a great group of locals who are trying to do the very best for the community they live in.....oh and 500 vehicles, the attorney for the homeowner is grossly exaggerating her so called facts. Open up more access!
By rjhdad (73), southampton on Jul 13, 16 4:59 AM
Beach driving is a birth right here. At one time most of the entire Town and Villages were open for 24/7 4x4 access. As time has gone by and more and more homes have been built on the beach, the politicians caved to pressure from these new homeowners and eliminated most of our traditional access.
all we have left is the "picnic area" in the Village of Southampton. The proposal to open up OUR BEACH at Triton Lane is a good first step to right this wrong. Seems as if Mr Wehner is now on the ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 13, 16 6:10 AM
Yes, you're right. This is about accessing OUR beaches. And Triton lane has so much access already. There is a big parking lot there. You think it makes sense to add trucks to the mix.

If this is about access, make it about access not just putting trucks on an already readily accessible beach.
By dogfacejones (81), Southampton on Jul 13, 16 6:43 AM
4x4 access is important to many town residents , have you ever driven the beach? For a lot of a us a day at the beach means loading our truck with surf boards, paddle boards, chairs , umbrellas, barbecue and coolers, driving to our favorite spot and spending time with friends and family. Been doing this for 50+ years , we bring our parents and grandparents, some of whom can't walk the sand , it's a tradition.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 13, 16 6:52 AM
4x4 beach access allows the handicap to enjoy an experience they seldom get!! Have u ever seen the way the face of a handicap person lights up when you drive them onto the beach and set them up in the sand . Its the most beautiful rewarding experience !!!!!

It also allows for grandparents , who may struggle walking through the sand , to be able to spend a fun filled , memorable day with their family .

By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 13, 16 8:14 AM
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so what are you saying - those that are handicapped that don't have relatives that have 4X4 should not be able to use the beach? Make the beach handicapped access for ALL. Don't use that as an excuse to use your 4 X $ - it is insulting to the handicapped and elderly. Drop off your "stuff" and park in the designated areas. No need to drive on the beach when people are trying to walk and enjoy the beach.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Jul 13, 16 9:23 AM
Plus there are already 2 beaches within 5 miles of this spot with handicap access, parking lots, showers, lifeguards and !bathrooms!.

Plus plus, there is a large, unused parking lot sitting exactly off dune rd at the proposed area for 4/x4's that could be purchased and truly increase access for all

Plus plus plus there is another unused parking lot to the east of this beach that needs repaving and is owned by the town.

Plus plus plus plus this beach is deep in plover country ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 13, 16 10:11 AM
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By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Jul 14, 16 8:12 AM
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sorry you must be a friend of the editor
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Jul 14, 16 8:04 PM
Its a very bad idea to open a new beach driving area - when the already existing areas are controversial to the point that at least 2 are in litigation.



By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 13, 16 1:05 PM
Perhaps you mean RE-open access?

Beach driving restrictions are the "new kid on the block", as it were...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 17, 16 6:43 AM
I'm simply saying that driving onto the beach allows for those who can barley walk to be able to sit down on the ocean and enjoy family time!! Or those being confined to a wheel chair and 4x4 beach allows those with handicap capabllities in their ehicles to drive themselves onto the beach .

MY GOD HB Proud did my very valid point hit a nerve.....FYI I have family members who are unable to walk ....Im NOT insulting them !!! Nor my Grandparents who have trouble accessing the beach as well!! ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 13, 16 1:32 PM
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I hope no one is truly trying to be insulting here, it seems that we all love the beach.

From what I can gather, being from the area, and reading this thread is that:

- There are 2 Handicapped accessible beaches nearby here (Ponquogue and Tiana), both have ramps and bathrooms.

- There is plenty of parking at this beach already.

Helping the elderly and handicapped members of the community on to the beach is very nice and that's why SH town strives to provide ...more
By debd (3), hampton bays on Jul 13, 16 4:20 PM
Great to know debd ! Thank you for that info . I haven't been to any of those beaches you mentioned. Though my family prefers the Picnic Area
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 13, 16 5:16 PM
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Summer Resident The picnic area is the only drive on location in litigation our other drive on beach at Cold Spring is not. The litigation has been brought by a family who purchased their home in 2004 well after that beach was designated as 4x4 accessable , they drive the beach also . Not sure why you want to restrict our ability to access OUR BEACH in a manner we have enjoyed for decades. Please elaborate
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 13, 16 2:10 PM
bigfresh,
Apologies if I am incorrect, but I understand that the picnic area is being litigated as well as truck beach in Amagansett.
By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 14, 16 2:52 AM
and I am not trying to restrict anyones access Just having respectful discussion.

common sense says why open any more locations when the existing ones have been controversial challenged.
By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 14, 16 3:32 AM
Truck beach in Ammagansett is a quite different situation than ours. In the Town of Easthampton the Trustees own the beach, in the late 1800's a part of the beach in Nappeague was sold and later sub divided. As time went on the residents of Easthampton were also forced onto smaller and smaller areas , finally left with only Truck Beach. The community fronting the beach has sued to have driving there eliminated. They are fine with beach driving , just not in front of their homes. This is a traditional ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 14, 16 6:24 AM
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This is the best news the beaches are empty all week. Hope the town opens it.
By jjinhb (16), Hampton Bays on Jul 14, 16 11:06 AM
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Having a quite beach during the week is an asset in itself, it's not just an space that needs to be filled.

What is the value of opening this section up to trucks?
What are the costs?

I'm all for accessibility for the handicapped. If that's what we're after then let's find a solution that doesn't come with the high cost turning a pristine beach into a parking lot. (apologies if that analogy sounds harsh).

There is plenty of sand that is truly inaccessible due to a ...more
By debd (3), hampton bays on Jul 14, 16 12:48 PM
*quiet
By debd (3), hampton bays on Jul 14, 16 12:49 PM
The stretch of beach from this location east to the inlet is one, if not, the last stretch of public access beach from the dunes to the ocean in SHT. IMO, updates and repairs are needed for public (not 4 x 4) access, handicapped access, parking, and pavilions. No need for a full service restaurant at Ponquogue. Sorry toes in the water if I hit a nerve about the disabled. It is nice you care for your family. There are many elderly residents in Hampton Bays that use the handicapped accessible ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Jul 14, 16 2:10 PM
Like I said, I have family members, whom the ONLY way for them to enjoy the beach is to be driven onto the beach! They physically CANT walk on!!!

Its wonderful That Ponquogue has a handicap ramp.

By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 15, 16 8:33 AM
So it seems if you use the Picnic Area you need 4 x 4, if you use the HB beaches you don't. There is no need to have 4 x 4 on HB/EQ beaches when there is handicapped access. Many seniors in HB can't walk. I personally need assistance on and off the beach and can only be on the beach with assistance, so I understand first hand what it is like. It seems you may never have been to one of the Town senior centers.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Jul 15, 16 9:01 AM
no never been to the senior centers.....and I never said my family members who are handicapped , who cant walk onto the beach are senior citizens !!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 15, 16 9:40 AM
You did mention your grandparents. I am not a senior citizen either, but cannot go to the beach unattended due to a disability. I cannot travel unattended safely in many areas without assistance. Due to that, I am familiar with the struggles of daily living for the disabled and elderly. As I said, it is nice that you care about your family so much - not everyone is so blessed. However, 4 x 4 access, based on my experiences, is unrelated.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Jul 15, 16 10:43 AM
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I disagree with you. Every person has a different story and a different situation. Im sure you would think differently if u could see for yourself why its the only way for my relatives to access the beach. Yes my grandparents struggle on the beach, but I also have relatives who are in a far worse situation , so end of story on that. Thank you.

And I hope you would consider visiting the Picnic Area . I would be more than happy to pick you up in the parking lot. Your welcome to join us and ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 15, 16 5:06 PM
HB Proud, I just finished reading the article "Southampton Village Board Wont Consider Picnic Area Beach Parking Limits Until After This Summer" I hope you would read it as well and maybe you might understand me a little better. And I hope you choose to come visit the Picnic Area :)
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 15, 16 5:15 PM
The Hampton Bays beach is largely unspoiled. Why not keep it that way? In my daily walks I've never seen a disabled person transported onto the beach. I'm afraid it will become another Daytona. The beauty should be enjoyed without the intrusion of a 4x4 trucks
By thragg (1), Hampton Bays on Jul 14, 16 4:20 PM
there are many taxpayers that enjoy a day at the beach , accessing the beach by vehicle. It's a family tradition for a lot of us and we have been squeezed into one small area and we need more space. Triton offers a great place for us and room for a pedestrian only area. Sharing is caring.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 14, 16 4:23 PM
Understandable, but chalking this up to the tradition of BBQ's seems half-baked.

Let's think of the beach as one of our last (kind of) unspoiled resources - we're already doing our best to destroy our local ecosystems, let's try not to shoot ourselves in the feet and purposefully speed things up.

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 14, 16 4:48 PM
driving on the beach does not destroy the ecosystem so try blowing a different horn
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Jul 14, 16 8:07 PM
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certainly doesnt help...
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 14, 16 10:32 PM
"...and purposefully speed things up."

Then stop the overdevelopment and exploitation. After more than a thirteen hour day, I was on my way home and Scuttle Hole was backed up to Whispering Fields Court. At 6:45 PM. And people were still turning left from Narrow Lane to get off the highway. That is just retarded.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 15, 16 4:30 AM
please cite some facts
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 15, 16 6:39 AM
Here's something to start with:

https:// www.fws.gov/ northeast/ pipingplover /pdf/recguide. pdf

(remove the spaces, not sure how this site treats links)
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 15, 16 10:23 AM
No one would contest the plight of plovers endangerment. I would suspect that the construction, deconstruction and reconstruction of the 100+, 10,000 sq ft plus, seasonal summer oceanfront homes have contributed far more destruction to the to ALL the flora and fauna and their habitats -- than driving, or parking on the the sand.
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Jul 15, 16 11:46 AM
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Sure, but that is not the issue we are discussing. What you describe is a problem and it is probably a bigger problem. But we are talking about adding 4x4's to the beach, not building homes.

Using one example of poor planning to justify another doesn't really add anything to the conversation.

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 15, 16 1:00 PM
'driving on the beach does not destroy the ecosystem so try blowing a different horn'
By CaptainSig

'certainly doesnt help...'
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp


Sorry...seems to fit right in. Guess I missed something.
By foodwhiner (148), Southampton on Jul 15, 16 2:07 PM
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Are they going to supply security, traffic directors, full time coordinator, install bathrooms. Even with all mentioned its a very very bad idea that is going to be firmly resisted. Its dangerous and the already truckable beaches are a time bomb waiting to go off.
By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 16, 16 8:45 PM
as a SUMMER RESIDENT you are obviously ill informed on the subject, please provide some facts to back up your assertions, thanks.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 17, 16 6:17 AM
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hundred plus trucks driving on a beach that is used by pedestrians laying on the sand, maneuvering on a narrow beach does not sound safe to me.

I know, I know. Hasn't been any accidents. One does not wait for an accident prevent one. I nun was killed walking down the beach, a child was killed by a neighbor exiting a driveway on a quiet street. Whats being proposed here is far far far more dangerous.
By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 17, 16 12:17 PM
to be clear, I drive the beach in the fall. im not against beach driving at all what soever.

Im not for parking on a beach where others use it by foot.

By Summer Resident (251), Southampton N.Y. on Jul 17, 16 12:33 PM
The Picnic Area is the safest place to be ! Nobody has EVER been hit by a moving vehicle on that beach. Theres plenty of room for 4x4's to pass along safely, besides the fact that we drive the posted speed limit of 10mph. We are surrounded by EMTS, Firemen an women and off duty police officers. I have more of a chance of getting hurt driving on County Road 39 than I do at the Picnic Area !!!

"one does not wait for an accident prevent one" Well please provide facts to why the Picnic Area ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 18, 16 9:09 AM
you guys are terrible at having a discussion.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 18, 16 11:36 AM
are you the Comments Police ? Are we getting fined for posting comments and not pleasing you by carrying on a discussion..yet again u have me LOL
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 18, 16 3:52 PM
actually, you're quite helpful
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Jul 18, 16 4:07 PM
Well it looks like the discussion ended.
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jul 19, 16 8:11 PM
remember going by beach vehicle to many a BBQ/party in the 50's.60'. 70''s and having the best beach parties ever. I am 67 so these were not last year but I ask what has changed??? shouldn't the locals and new owners know this?? Us locals have been having beach parties since t he beginning of time and tor us to now be prohibited from what was our right it is not right that new owners seem think the beach is all their own. we must now fight for our rights as locals to reclaim our rights to ...more
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jul 19, 16 8:45 PM
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Currently we can drive on the beaches all year long except for 9am-6pm during the peak summer months. We have to understand that most parents do not want our trucks driving around them and their children on the beach. We should also keep in mind that many people do not want to turn beaches into large parking lots. The current rules are a good compromise. Think ahead, what happens when Triton lane becomes too crowded with trucks? More lawsuits, and perhaps a backlash that diminishes our current ...more
By Bayman (56), Hampton Bays on Jul 21, 16 10:18 AM