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Apr 20, 2016 10:24 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

If Blinking Light Program Is Successful, County Road 39 Could Get A New Underpass Instead Of Light

Conceptual changes for a possible underpass on County Road 39.
Apr 20, 2016 10:54 AM

While Southampton Town officials do not expect to receive data on this week’s blinking light trial run on County Road 39 until early next week, they say preliminary observations suggest that traffic flow improved in that corridor during its three-day run.

If the program does prove to be successful, the town will work with Suffolk County to develop a long-term plan to change up the intersection at Tuckahoe Road and County Road 39 to eliminate the traffic light there. That plan could possibly include an ambitious idea: an underpass, similar to the setup at nearby St. Andrews Road.

The three-day program began Tuesday and was scheduled to run through Thursday. Effective from 6 to 9 a.m., it involved switching the tri-colored signal at the intersection to blinking yellow to see if removing the traffic light would reduce traffic backups on busy County Road 39. Left-hand turns from Tuckahoe Road onto County Road 39 were prohibited, as were left-hand turns from County Road 39 onto Tuckahoe Road. Motorists traveling north and south on Tuckahoe Road were not allowed to cross over the main road.

Tom Neely, the town’s director of public transportation and traffic safety, said on Wednesday morning that traffic flow through the intersection the first two days of the program seemed to have improved, although he noted that traffic was still backed up on Sunrise Highway as far west as Hampton Bays at times. The town will not receive actual data on travel times for a couple of days, so the success of the program cannot be determined yet, he said.

“Just based on my visual observations—not any formal or measured timings—the traffic flow along the 39 corridor does seem to be flowing better,” Mr. Neely said. “[But] it’s hard to quantify if there’s been a significant change in the overall travel time.”

Mr. Neely added that data from Tuesday morning may be skewed because a truck broke down just east of the intersection, which caused drivers to merge from the right eastbound lane into the left. The truck had broken down near the Bottle Hampton shopping center at about 7:15 a.m., but traffic appeared to clear up a half hour later, Mr. Neely said, when he went through the intersection himself.

Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman has said that if the county’s data from this week’s program show that travel times on County Road 39 improved by about 10 minutes, then the town will work with county engineers to develop a long-term plan to modify the intersection at Tuckahoe Road. For Mr. Schneiderman, that intersection is particularly important because of Southampton Hospital’s planned eventual move to the Stony Brook Southampton campus, which would bring more traffic, including ambulances.

The supervisor said he discussed the intersection with Bill Hillman, chief engineer at the County Department of Public Works, who drew up a concept design for an underpass at County Road 39. The drawing—which both officials stressed is very preliminary—shows Tuckahoe Road closed off on both sides of County Road 39, as well as several new access points for traffic heading east and west. The underpass would be west of the intersection, where County Road 39 curves to the right, to avoid the expense of having to run the underpass below the Long Island Rail Road tracks.

The plan would also involve opening up what is called North Road, a road just north of the college campus and south of the railroad tracks that is currently closed off. Motorists would be able to access County Road 39 and Tuckahoe Road that way, either by ramps or the underpass, depending on which way they were heading.

Tuckahoe Road north of County Road 39 would be closed to public access, as Mr. Schneiderman said there is an effort by Shinnecock Hills Golf Club to reroute that road, which bisects the golf course, so that it connects to St. Andrews Road instead.

Mr. Hillman said the project would be a $10 million to $15 million endeavor, although there are no discussions yet as to how it could be funded. “From an engineering standpoint, it’s completely realistic,” he said.

“There’s not a whole lot the county can do beyond what has already been done,” he said, referring to the widening of County Road 39 nearly a decade ago.

“The idea’s not so pie-in-the sky,” Mr. Schneiderman added. “The idea would be for it to be large enough to accommodate ambulances and fire trucks, and quickly move people from County Road 39 to the Stony Brook Southampton campus, or to the hospital, in a safe and expedient manner. That’s basically it.”

Mr. Hillman said, though, that if the data from the blinking light program does not show any improvements in traffic, then the intersection will stay the way it is.

“If eliminating the signal at Tuckahoe Road does not make substantial improvements, I think the East End has to live with traffic,” he said. “Extend Sunrise Highway, or live with the traffic.”

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...and at Magee, North Sea, North Main, Montauk highway, Watermill, and under Bridgehampton..There, problem solved!
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Apr 20, 16 11:26 AM
If one adjusts one's blinders narrowly enough, there are NO problems in life . . .

Judging from the comments under the previous article, including my own at about 7:30 this morning, the trade parade morning traffic backed up to the top of the hill at the Quogue exits.

THIS IS NOT AN IMPROVEMENT !!!

Chances are good the OVERALL
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 20, 16 11:53 AM
Chances are good that the OVERALL commute time from west of Hampton Bays will not improve by much if at all, as Mr. Neely seems to be anticipating.

To quote the article: "Mr. Neely said . . . '[But] it’s hard to quantify if there’s been a significant change in the overall travel time.' "

Time to let sleeping dogs lie . . .
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 5:01 AM
Don't know about Tuesday, but it took me closer to 40 minutes to get to Southampton from Hampton Bays Wednesday morning. the typical commute was running less than 30 for me.
One light eliminated, but you can't go any faster then the people in front of you. And if those people 500 cars in front of you are stopping at the next light, so do the rest of us, all the way back to Hampton bays.
It's just too much traffic on roads that were never meant for this.
We need a crackdown ...more
By ADAMSG (53), EAST QUOGUE on Apr 20, 16 12:01 PM
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THURSDAY MORNING 50 MINUTES
13 MILES FROM HOME TO WORK. 30 MINUTES BEFORE THE EXPERIMENT.
By ADAMSG (53), EAST QUOGUE on Apr 21, 16 10:54 AM
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FRIDAY- EXPERIMENT OVER 32 MINUTES HAMPTON BAYS TO SOUTHAMPTON 39A. EVEN HAD TO STOP AT THE LIGHT
By ADAMSG (53), EAST QUOGUE on Apr 22, 16 7:41 AM
Nothing but a band aide, they need to rip up the worthless LIRR tracks and use that right of way from the choke point where 39/27 meet up and run a car/bus only parkway from Southampton to Montauk. Put in a hub at Southampton and run express buses to points east that you can adjust seasonably.

P.S.: what ever happened to useless Freddy Thiel's local commuter train? Another wasted idiotic pipe dream: build a road.
By Preliator Lives (429), Obamavillie on Apr 20, 16 2:19 PM
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This has more to do with Shinnecock members wanting the road closed in front of their clubhouse. Seems to me that traffic was slowed while they were testing. How could it not move faster? The fix is in.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 20, 16 5:32 PM
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I just saw that on the map in this article. Can you privatize a public road?????? Sounds elitist to me. Next Meadow Lane, Gin Lane etc.
By baywoman (165), southampton on Apr 21, 16 10:09 AM
they have already taken back the road shown in gray that runs parallel to cr39 on the north side - runs from Tuckahoe to St Andrews .. they fenced it off a few years ago quite sneakily in the middle of winter and partly waiting for the road to decay
..
can you imagine if they get the govt to fund the cost of this road swtich!
By dave h (193), calverton on Apr 24, 16 10:16 AM
Passed through this morning going west from the village. Still blocked up. The engineers can make up the report to read well. What is the problem to get people to work 10 minutes faster, BS. LIE, S State, Belt Pky and all of the roads on the island are Backed UP at peak hours. Get real and leave earlier for work.
Wait for the backups if they start to construct that. How many millions in over runs???
By knitter (1865), Southampton on Apr 20, 16 7:06 PM
dnice you are 1000% correct. You could see this coming from a mile away from the previous SP article about this "great idea". So let me get this straight (pun intended), we are going to change a very logical and long established road system/traffic pattern with this Rube Goldberg "better idea" configuration in order to save a guesstimated 10 mins of reduced travel time for a 2 hour period of time in the morning for 6 months of the year. So let's start with some questions. Who is paying for this ...more
By longtimelocal (56), Southampton on Apr 20, 16 7:50 PM
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Ok once again lets go over the solution Joe Hampton origanaly came up with... just like we have done every year in April for the last 4 years.

Put up a toll just East of Rt 111 and charge $10 bucks a day on weekdays (More $ Per axel for trucks), between the hours of 6 am and 11 pm... maybe $1 dollar for all non resident vehicles other times.

If you are a full time resident of Southampton or East Hampton you would be exempt.

If you are going to carpet bag for work out East ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 20, 16 8:12 PM
however,if you are a full time resident in a condo development, you have to pay a permanent local congestion fee
By dave h (193), calverton on Apr 24, 16 10:22 AM
Underpass? More like underpants! The only underpass that will help the situation is one that starts at the Lobster Inn and goes to the circle in Montauk. Put an exit at the 39/27 intersection, one at Bridgehampton Commons and one at the pond in Easy Hampton.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Apr 21, 16 12:13 AM
I don't get it? Why another underpass?

Acquire the road connecting Tuckahoe to St. Andrews through eminent domain (hint--road is already there), and close off the intersection.

Done!
By aging hipster (201), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 7:00 AM
I don't get it? Why another underpass?

Acquire the road connecting Tuckahoe to St. Andrews through eminent domain (hint--road is already there), and close off the intersection.

Done!
By aging hipster (201), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 7:00 AM
The whole concept is ridiculous ! Inconveniencing the folks who LIVE HERE in order to make the commute from up the Island a few minutes quicker , spending tax dollars that could be better used elsewhere and eliminating an important north / south route. The traffic is what the traffic is, imagine if the Tuckahoe Mall was built!!
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Apr 21, 16 7:26 AM
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When translated from political-speak to plain English - "preliminary observations suggest that traffic flow improved in that corridor during its three-day run" means that they have already decided the program was successful.
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Apr 21, 16 7:33 AM
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Oh they will claim that it has to do with the new hospital as well....
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 21, 16 8:09 AM
Toll booth on the bridges. Mandatory EZ pass (as is done in many places), free for residents. The cost will limit cars and create a great source of revenue. The money can be used to improve all our roads from SH to Montauk.
By Corwin1879 (39), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 9:29 AM
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Where have I heard the idea before ? Oh like 8 lines up
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 21, 16 5:07 PM
Sorry I missed that when reading through the comments the first time. Its a great idea.
By Corwin1879 (39), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 7:10 AM
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Very interesting. While the town/county planners are trying to figure out the mess that is CR 39, the Shinnecock club's long awaited push to close off Tuckahoe road (one of the most scenic public vistas we can enjoy) is now conveniently part of the solution. Nice try, but we've been watching the quiet clearing of an alternate route over the past few years, designed solely to get that beautiful ambling stretch closed off from the public for good. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure closing off this ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 9:30 AM
One of the dumbest plans ever put forth. Aside from the loss of the public vistas available through the golf course and past the clubhouse (don't forget, the road and right-of-way are owned by the Town and thus the residents), the proposed underpass and connector road goes through a Nature Conservancy Preserve and will route traffic through SUNY's Southampton campus.

If you look at the roadways on the college campus (or if you've been there), you can quickly understand how this would ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 9:37 AM
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The town talks about affordable, workforce housing yada yada. Then they give all kinds of variances etc at the western end of town which already has more people and overcrowding on smaller lots.
What they should do is try to get people living closer to job sites which are at the eastern end of town. Even if land is more expensive there, they should buy it and build. But they probably won't have the courage because people (ignorantly I believe) are nimby-ists and the politicians want their money ...more
By baywoman (165), southampton on Apr 21, 16 10:15 AM
Well this is not working.Traffic has been terrible in HB with this blinking light. Another idea by Jaybo that sucks. And this is the guy who won't let a town board meeting happen when he is out of town. What's the matter Jaybo worried that your puppets will say something you are trying to hide? Also Lofstad as a resident of HB would you step up to the plate and speak out for once. You look lost like a chicken with its head cut off.
By islander6615 (133), hampton bays on Apr 21, 16 12:26 PM
Is this really about traffic or is it about an excuse to give the road to the golf course. Something those 1%ers have been after for ages?

Why would Tuckahoe Rd north of 39 need to be transferred to the Golf Course?

Inquiring minds have to wonder what is going on in Town Hall. Partisan Political Campaign Commercials, Big time taxpayer giveaways to the Union (against rumor has it Labor Counsel's advice), attempts to misuse federal grant funding, give aways to private golf courses.....

Anyone ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 5:09 PM
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It doesn't make sense to have the only stop light from which to go straight or make a right be the one where the school is on Magee.
Apr 21, 16 5:27 PM appended by KevinLuss
that should actually be a left.
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Apr 21, 16 5:27 PM
More affordable housing = more locals that can fill local jobs = less people coming in from points west = less traffic.
By lamm (304), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 8:47 PM
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or a toll means less people coming from points West to take local jobs
By They call me (2756), southampton on Apr 21, 16 9:49 PM
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Yeah, I can just picture the toll booths before the Westhampton exit, lol. Tolls would only make the traffic back up even further.
By lamm (304), Southampton on Apr 21, 16 10:11 PM
how do you figure that genius ?

It would help to space the flow out on the east side of the tolls. Plus the other above stated benefits. Face it you are a partisan who just wants affordable housing
By They call me (2756), southampton on Apr 21, 16 11:40 PM
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You would create two backups..one before your nonsensical toll booths, the other going through Tuckahoe into Southampton. As long as all the traffic leads into one lane over by Pier One Imports, miles past your perceived toll booths, you will have a traffic jam. As far as partisan, I'm not sure what party you're talking about, I'm a republican who prefers to look at the big picture.
By lamm (304), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 11:09 PM
I drove out yesterday morning from the city and its not even May yet and oh my God the cars are just unbearable. I think the toll is the only solution as well. and it sounds like a damn good one. If Joe Hampton really came up with this idea then he should be elected King of the East End. but what's the difference we will never see any solutions just more traffic
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Apr 22, 16 7:24 AM
After the PBRTA builds the East End Shuttle, with inter-connected N/S bus lines, you will be able to take the Peconic Bay Rail Road from Penn Staion, or the parking lots at Calverton/Speonk/Calverton,, or leave your car out here.

Getting blue in the face here, repeating this multi-year suggestion, kwhile the rest of you wake up, but . . .

It is an idea whose time has clearly come!

Awaken !!!
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 7:50 AM
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They are both excellent Ideas PBR and Joe Hampton should run for office !

If they could only get along lol
By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 22, 16 7:19 PM
Ditto to mandatory EZ Pass graduated by vehicle size/weight, which could easily pay for infrastructure improvements.

How long do we have to wait for the political will to make it happen?

A blind child could see what is needed . . .

Wake up!

PBRTA = Peconic Bay Regional Transportation Authority

PS Shadow Captain you aren't getting any younger. Take the helm and lead. Go for it!
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 8:02 AM
If you put tolls on 27east - you think people aren't going to dip down to Mtk Highway or go through 104/105 in Riverhead and down Flanders Road? Yea right. All it will do is create more traffic on local roads and some 3rd party will make a killing on collecting the fees.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 9:17 AM
People, people, people, IMO most of you are falling for Jay's classic magician's trick of misdirection by thinking the REAL purpose of this project is to reduce traffic/travel time. It has NOTHING to do traffic. It is ALL about Shinnecock Golf Course wanting to get rid of the section of the public Tuckahoe Road that goes through it. How is removing one light going to reduce traffic? It doesn't make sense. The traffic just backs up at the next light.
By longtimelocal (56), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 9:53 AM
You know what a career politician's job is? To get re-elected.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 16 2:22 PM
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And that is why Trump AND Bernie are doing so well. The masses (Democrat and Republican) are fed up with the establishment politicians. Jay and ALL elected officials would be wise to take note of this.
By longtimelocal (56), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 4:49 PM
Maybe so but we still need to solve the real problem because It is approaching ludicrous again. with all these Brookhaven carpet baggers it took me 2 hours to get to work today!
By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 22, 16 7:23 PM
I understand 27dan, but do you think this proposal is going to do anything to help the problem. Unfortunately, the South Fork is it's own island created by the Shinnecock Canal. There are three ways on to the South Fork east of Hampton Bays, Sunrise highway (2 lanes each way), Montauk highway (1 lane each way), and the LIRR. If you ready want to go crazy there are the Shelter Island ferries. That's it, period. The biggest immediate gain would be if you allowed left hand turns again on Shurbland ...more
By longtimelocal (56), Southampton on Apr 23, 16 9:18 AM
Limit the amount of cars coming by charging a high toll and you will not have as many cars.

wow very easy math here gang.

some of you have such collectivist minds, never waste a good crisis lets try and push some more left wing agenda "we need mass transit, affordable housing and a Trader Joe's that will solve everything"

No ! What we need a toll with a high tax to work here in the promise land !
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 23, 16 4:46 PM
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UD - what prevents people from bypassing the toll via the other routes?
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 24, 16 7:56 PM
It would take them way to long and be an agonizing ride every day
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 24, 16 9:00 PM
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Never under-estimate what lengths people will go to save money
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 25, 16 9:09 AM
Yes but that is fine, If they want to slowly and carefully work there way past the West Hampton police Dept patrol cars at 35 Mph then let them. it will still accomplish the goal of reducing the snarl

If they want to drink our milk then let them wake up at 430 in the morning to work the cow.

It will take them an extra hour and be very frustrating for them to avoid paying there fair share for our road upkeep and sanity!
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 25, 16 11:08 AM
So great to read the comments and see that I'm not the only one in favor of a toll booth! Will slow down the traffic and maybe deter the trade workers from doing out this way!
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Apr 22, 16 8:08 AM
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So that the tradespeople can up the prices they charge us to pay for the toll. We need those trade people.
By btdt (449), water mill on Apr 26, 16 5:35 PM
An underpass, no matter where you put it is only going to move the back up to another location. The only way to "ease" traffic is to either extend the LIE or us the RR tracks and extend 27. Through traffic to EH and beyond needs the bypass, not Tuckahoe Road. The toll both is the way to pay for it!!
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 8:41 AM
The Great Peconic Bay Causeway...Beautiful ride...
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Apr 22, 16 9:43 AM
This is not an improvement. The traffic is worse for those of us who live, pay taxes, & work here! It lets the trade parade drive faster and police can't control it.
The Shinnecock Golf Club has always wanted the road privatized. Not happening! An underpass? How about a huge overpass bridge!
They can use lights to their advantage. The center turning lane can be lit with overhead hanging green lights in the direction going East in the morning hours from 7-9 and Red going West. Then it switches ...more
By Linda Goldsmith (8), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 16 12:11 PM
Wow,

I just tuned in to this channel for the first time... Thank you all for remembering !

I was begining to think no own was paying any mind to my humble suggestion.

I dont know if the toll booth idea is possible... but still think it would have a real impact on the situation and is a win win for all of us.

Does anyone know how it could be done ? They do It on Hilton Head why not here ?

Z ? Greger ? Jay ? Lee ? ...
By joe hampton (3395), Hamptons on Apr 22, 16 7:32 PM
The backlash to creating a toll system would be incredible. It would end up being an expense added to the bill, and solve little.

The capital required to annex enough land to push a causeway or highway to Montauk would be staggering. The EIS cost alone would be prohibitive.

The real problem is the exploitation of our home, not the road.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 23, 16 3:33 PM
you clam to be so well read yet even i can see know one was talking about a causeway to montauk, just a toll in west hampton so everyone working here has some skin in the game.

these up island guys dive in here with little to no insurance, charge to little and then do substandard work.

then the local contractors need to explain how you get what you pay for every time they do an estimate.

it would reduce the amount of cars coming in everyday and the exploitation of our ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Apr 23, 16 4:28 PM
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Mr Z said

"The backlash to creating a toll system would be incredible"

Really? Backlash from who ?
By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 23, 16 6:12 PM
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For starters, the local population on Montauk Highway. That is where the overflow of people will go who don't want to pay a toll. There's also the route to the end of the LIE, and then through Riverhead. How many of you out there take the Williamsburg Bridge into Manhattan? Additionally, @joe, continuing the highway has been and continues to be a subject of these comments. Pardon you for being the way you are.

Will you make all potential alternate routes toll roads?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 23, 16 7:29 PM
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My comment on this situation from April 27, 2015
Apr 27, 15 We are not going to be able to stem the flow of traffic caused by the development in Southampton and East Hampton over the years since the big highway to Montauk was dead on arrival. Unfortunately the hoped for limit of development didn't quite work out.

And given that the Town Board has apparently never seen a PDD it didn't love thereby creating even more traffic, the likelihood is that traffic snarls, traffic accidents and ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Apr 23, 16 2:44 PM
Lets try this again,

You put up a toll just East of Rt 111 and charge $10 bucks a day on weekdays (More $ Per axel for trucks), between the hours of 6 am and 11 pm... maybe $1 dollar for all non resident vehicles other times.

If you are a full time resident of Southampton or East Hampton you would be exempt.

If you are going to carpet bag for work out East ...more you should pay to play... Maybe giving half the $ to road upkeep in the two towns and the second half to CPF. ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 23, 16 4:39 PM
VERY WELL SAID!!! I couldn't agree more with your entire statement!
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Apr 23, 16 6:06 PM
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Are you listening Jay , Instead of redesigning a hot dog stand on the beach how about talking about somthing useful like this TOLL !!!
By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 23, 16 6:09 PM
the toll sounds like a wonderful idea .

a real solution instead of pie in the sky but for some reason some of you resist this idea ? very puzzling
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Apr 23, 16 6:17 PM
And what about the on/off ramps from alternate routes?

I can think of four ways to avoid that toll booth of the top of my head. Do you think of the full scope of what you propose, or just spew ideas with zero forethought?
Apr 23, 16 7:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
And you do realize this is a state road? I'm sure they'll need a cut of the monies. How long will it take to pay off the construction costs of a toll system to service all six interchanges?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 23, 16 7:48 PM
Than move the toll booth closer than RT 111!!! Its OBV that many people agree with his wonderful idea! Local business owners are losing jobs to the trade parade bc they can afford to under bid the local business here!! And if u don't understand why this is , ask a local business owner. Zero forethought my behind! Send ALL the non locals through the toll booth ...NO EAZY PASS FOR THEM whatsoever. Let them sit on a long line to pay the dues ( that money can be used to repair the roads! Thus using ...more
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Apr 24, 16 8:05 AM
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Wait, but how does it reduce traffic and congestion?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (736), southampton on Apr 24, 16 9:13 AM
As a pragmatist, my glass is always full.

How much will this system cost to implement?

As far as saving the "locals", you're late to that party by over a decade.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 24, 16 2:20 PM
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Sorry its not Mayberry anymore Mr Z but we can still stop it from becoming Centereach
By They call me (2756), southampton on Apr 24, 16 2:26 PM
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Damage is done. The exploitation cannot be undone.

This will eventually become a place of extreme wealth on one end, and rent seekers putting a roof over the head of the working class on the other.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 24, 16 7:43 PM
Your glass is always full but u condtradict yourself by saying it's too late to save the locals.!!Kudos to U for having such a negative attitude. Its never too late Mr Z ! As for toll booth, as I said its OBV by reading all the comments that more ppl are in favor of this than your "glass always full ideas" If you could find some way to think outside the box you would see this is great resolution to the problem. I wish you well on this.
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Apr 25, 16 8:04 AM
Hey toes - you understand how things work, politically, right? Politicians make decisions not on what the majority wants, but on what will get them re-elected.

Do you honestly think, for one minute, that politicians (it would have to be local, county and state) would EVER vote LI's first toll booth to the hamptons? Can you imagine the uproar? Forget the trade parade and their arguments which are obvious.

The rich would complain that they spend enough money out east and they ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 25, 16 3:27 PM
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"Only a fool fights in a burning house."

~ Klingon Proverb
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 25, 16 8:51 PM
I sure DO ! I know how it works out here! I have sat in meetings at Village Hall an Town Hall an have watched petitions get disregarded an decisions based solely on what the summer crowd wants. Asking til I'm blue in the face is my right. But one disappointed blue face is irrelevant.... but maybe 100 blue faces aren't. At least I can say I tried!
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Apr 26, 16 8:54 AM
CONDESCENDING

( kande sending )

Adjective

1. Having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority
By toes in the water (881), southampton on Apr 26, 16 8:57 AM
Could you define "pragmatist" for us?

Because it seems you missed the mark by quite an extensible margin.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Apr 28, 16 10:24 PM
LOL
By toes in the water (881), southampton on May 1, 16 8:26 AM
I think that it's a terrific idea to reconfigure the traffic patterns near the Shinnecock Hills Golf Club so that auto noises don't distract members. However, I also believe that a reasonable compensation from the club should be required apropos of that consideration. $20 million seems about right. That would pay for all the new construction and leave a little in the kitty for unforeseen eventualities. Assuming that the club will be the new owner of the "privatized" former county road, that ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Apr 23, 16 7:39 PM
Nice to see that you are a proponent of pay to play;)
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 23, 16 9:30 PM
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One tract mind / Here's a thought: Disband the civil service police and replace them with a sworn contract police force. Use the balance of tax revenues to fund an Olympic natatorium

By highhatsize (2699), East Quogue on May 6, 12 11:45 PM
By They call me (2756), southampton on Apr 24, 16 2:37 PM
hhs, you been drinking? I'm not judging, just upset you didn't offer me one.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 24, 16 8:39 PM
lol
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 24, 16 9:00 PM
I have it on good authority that Bloomberg is prepared to throw his money into closing down this road and they want it done prior to the 2018 US Open.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 24, 16 8:44 PM
Who really cares about what traffic is like during a one-week, once in a decade or so event? Whatever happens that week traffic-wise, is particular to that unique event and not particularly relevant to long-term planning.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Apr 25, 16 1:46 PM
It is more than just for the Open. They don't want cars driving by their clubhouse...ever again.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 25, 16 6:21 PM
what would the town government get it return ?
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it would be irresponsible and civil corruption for the town government members to give away value for nothing in return.
and they should receive substantial for that road ..
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directing traffic thru shrubland road takes ttraffic right past the golf course nonetheless (a heavy congestion on both sides!) and also past the ex-mayors house .. not sure he wants that
By dave h (193), calverton on May 8, 16 8:27 PM
OK, well the toll booth sounds like a great solution but let's be real, it's never going to happen.

I've got a better solution. JUST STOP BUILDING!! We cannot sustain this any longer. We are polluting our land, our air, and our waters. Just stop.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Apr 25, 16 2:59 PM
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We will never "stop building". Even when we get to the day when every vacant lot has been developed, there will be a never-ending number of people who build additions, or tear down existing homes and replace them. When you have people receiving $30,000,000 annual BONUSES, they don't bat an eye when it comes to buying a $10,000,000 home and knocking it down to build what they want. These people also want it to be built as fast as possible so they can get in their house and enjoy it. The faster ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 27, 16 11:21 AM
I understand it perfectly. That's why it needs to stop.

I love the irony of your handle btw: "Nature". It's a really nice touch.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Apr 28, 16 10:33 AM
As much as I would love everything to just "stop" and for no trees to ever be cut down again and for no new septics to ever be put into place, I understand reality. I also understand that I am an equal part to the problem - I don't believe in the whole "grandfathered in" idea. Why is it OK for me to live in the hamptons, and for me to have a septic, and for me to have a house that required the clearing of land, but not someone else? What makes me so special?

Yes, we have to limit it, ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Apr 30, 16 9:47 AM
You recognize the reality that there will never be toll booths. Its not that far a leap to realize that the building, just wont STOP.
Under what law, code or whatever would this STOP happen?
Come back to reality.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 30, 16 10:49 AM
Traffic consists of many suppliers of goods we need here. Restaurant suppliers, supermarket suppliers, farm supplies, liquor deliveries to shops and restaurants, auto parts, marine supplies, cars for the 10,000 dealerships in Southampton, UPS, Fed Ex, cable companies, highway maintenance, power company workers, You act like people who come here to work are here for a lark or stealing jobs from people. We need the things they are bringing in here. Charge them a $10 toll and watch the price of goods ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Apr 26, 16 6:00 PM
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Oh, more generalities.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 26, 16 9:14 PM
If there were good paying jobs for the plumbers in mastic they would stay there. Trust me 10 a day will not stop most of them just slow down the volume a bit
By They call me (2756), southampton on Apr 26, 16 10:34 PM
I think you better get your eyes checked. I travel west every morning. 90-95% of the vehicles coming out between the hours of 6-9am are construction vehicles, hence why it's called the 'trade parade'.

And again, if we just stopped building, we wouldn't need all those pumbers.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Apr 27, 16 10:34 AM
btdt said

"So that the tradespeople can up the prices they charge us to pay for the toll. We need those trade people. "

That is the point this desperate " so called contractors" do not charge enough.

They create unfair competition to the local guys who do the job right by under biding then doing substandard work
By joe hampton (3395), Hamptons on Apr 28, 16 9:09 PM
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if everyone drove the speed limit we would have less traffic.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (736), southampton on Apr 29, 16 7:55 AM
If everyone obeyed the border crossings we would have less Illegals
By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on May 2, 16 12:22 AM
The only way to slow/stop traffic is to limit the number of building permits for new construction, subdivisions, renovations or tear downs. Sanibel Island has done this, so have other areas. This is a no cost solution, except for the legal fees for lawsuits. It needs to be put through the political process meaning it has to be set for a public referendum and made into a proposition just like the 2% property transfer tax for the Community Preservation Fund. It would be a new type of community preservation, ...more
By AL (80), southampton on Apr 30, 16 7:24 AM
Discussing a toll booth that will never happen is like voting for Trump because the buses are coming the day after the election to send everyone back south.

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN FOLKS!!
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 30, 16 10:51 AM
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tener un maravilloso fin de semana mi amigo

By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on May 1, 16 12:08 AM
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Sounds to me like some of you do not want to lose your cheep labor and just want to find a new way to tax the rich.

Same old song
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 30, 16 8:55 AM
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"Toll booths" as a physical structure are obsolete. High speed EZ Pass for everything east of Brookhaven Town maybe, and definitely east of The Canal, like the NYS Thruway does from overhead and/or wires in the road. Cameras for those without EZPass. NYS does it. Simple.

All road use fees graduated by use, size, weight, residency etc..

Tolls collected could pay for infrastructure improvements.

Mo' people, mo' cars, MO' MONEY !

Now for the political will . . . ...more
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 30, 16 11:25 AM
I noticed this is not the first time you push the barrier to be at the canal, Again showing your prejudice for Hampton Bays not being a part of the Hampton's. In reality It is the hardest hit from the trade parade start the E Z pass on 27 just East of Rt 111 like Joe said
By 27dan (2776), Shinnecock Hills on May 1, 16 12:13 AM
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Well dan, who do you think will pay for these tolls? And yes, there are EZ Pass arches which can scan your tag at highway speed.

I guarantee every vendor will add it to their costs, and bill the businesses out here for it. Which, in turn, will be paid for by all of us when stores raise prices to cover those costs as well.

Like I said above, do you people really think about this ****?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on May 1, 16 6:50 AM
With only 2 routes crossing the Canal, the traffic backlog is inevitable . THE END
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on May 1, 16 7:24 AM
What's the matter, can't count to 3?

:)

The LIRR bridge is an underutilized asset just waiting to be put to work more productively!

The East End Shuttle is part of the solution here, if only people would WAKE UP and think proactively . . .

Plus political will -- ah here's the rub I guess . . .
By PBR (4947), Southampton on May 1, 16 7:54 AM
While a shuttle MIGHT be practical for a handful of commuters, the vast majority work either in the trades or outside of areas near the train stations. Most need their tools and machinery, deliveries require trucks carrying materials, stores need to be supplied with goods. When a commuter arrives at the Southampton station for example, how d they get to their job at the end of Meadow Lane? Folks need their vehicles .
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on May 1, 16 11:46 AM
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What a coincidence that this traffic improvement will completely eliminate a road that glaringly intrudes on the peregrinations (and the privacy) of Shinnecock Hills golfers throughout its entire length and reroutes it though a wooded area that was actually designed, by the original golf course architect, to be impenetrable to golfers anyway. Some judicious plantings should make the new route completely invisible.

Hands for anyone who believes that this ridiculously contorted rerouting ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on May 1, 16 9:22 AM
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"judicious plantings" .. at least one of the last things Shinnecock GC wants is a tree let alone any trees.
they have pretty much cut down ever tree on the property .. they want the wind to play its part because that's a key element of the course design.
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at least they create their own catch 22 and cant have it all
By dave h (193), calverton on May 8, 16 8:31 PM
Tuckahoe Road is a Major asset of the town.. how can ToSH just give it away?
what are they getting in return?
they already let that smaller road be acquired by the golf course -- who is getting the membership to pull it off ?? someone is because some members have told me ..just haven't figured it out yet
By dave h (193), calverton on May 23, 16 10:04 PM
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