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Dec 8, 2012 1:43 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Two Pulled From Shinnecock Bay Saturday Afternoon Were Disoriented Hunters

Dec 8, 2012 5:34 PM

UPDATE, 5:25 p.m.

The two people rescued were hunters who became disoriented as fog rolled in, but they have survived and will be fine, Capt. Brenner said at about 3:30 p.m.

The pair had gone out onto some flats in the bay opposite Road D but lost their bearings in the fog, panicked and started screaming for help, he said. A bystander called 911. Their identities were not available, but the captain said they were both male.

Both were conscious and still standing when reached by rescuers, but the one taken aboard by Southampton Fire Department’s water rescue team lost consciousness upon rescue and regained it later on shore.

In addition to the fire department and the U.S. Coast Guard, the North Sea Fire Department also sent a boat.

“What a great Christmas story,” Capt. Brenner. “You always hear of bad things happening this time of year.”


Two people whose condition is unknown were pulled from Shinnecock Bay on Saturday afternoon in a “major water rescue,” according to Southampton Fire Department Captain Chris Brenner.

The Southampton Fire Department water rescue team and the U.S. Coast Guard were called out sometime around 12:30 p.m. to a report of “screams heard in the fog,” on the opposite side of the bay from Road D, the captain said. Upon arrival, they could hear the victims but not see them, he said.

One victim was recovered by the fire department, while the other was recovered by the Coast Guard. They were transported to Coast Guard Station Shinnecock in Hampton Bays to await an ambulance to the hospital, the captain said.

Additional details on the victims was not immediately available.

It was also not immediately clear why the pair had been in the water. They could have been swimming, clamming or boating, the captain said.

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nice job guys and gals, one of the busiest and most professional fire departments on Long Island.
By politcal pawn (121), Flanders on Dec 8, 12 2:06 PM
With the water temperature around 50 degrees +/-, this was one lucky rescue, based only on hearing the screams in the fog IMO. Well done.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Dec 8, 12 2:20 PM
I guess they missed the Polar Bear Plunge.
By harbor hound (31), southampton on Dec 8, 12 4:24 PM
Other sources report that it was two hunters who got lost in the fog.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Dec 8, 12 4:38 PM
Tag and release to a drier habitat.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Dec 9, 12 6:48 AM
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They were actually in the water with Hypothermia coming on! If the FD was a another 10 mins. they would of both died!
By johnnyhampton (82), Southampton on Dec 9, 12 8:36 AM
Was there any other kind of drink involved besides the shinnecock?
By btdt (449), water mill on Dec 9, 12 3:25 PM
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 10, 12 2:53 PM
Lesson 1:

Always carry a compass.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 9, 12 4:02 PM
And maybe a cell phone? (some include a compass)

Fortunately, a Darwin Award was not granted.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Dec 9, 12 4:51 PM
A waterproof cellphone with a compass, in case you get stuck in 5 feet of water.
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Dec 9, 12 11:25 PM
Seems that there are pieces missing to this story. What hunters walk into the bay that is so fogged over that they cannot see the shore. What could they possibly see to shoot? Bizarre! Lucky somebody heard them before they walked into the channel.
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on Dec 9, 12 4:55 PM
Hey it's foggy out. Let's go shoot stuff.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 12 5:52 PM
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Hey gun control now, it seems you don't understand the story, and this is just your pitiful miss contraception of the real fact. Were you there to see if it was six inches of water? NO you obviously weren't. The tide was up and higher then you think. Yes they were in the wrong and put other people in danger, but you need to understand hunters are not bad people. If it weren't for firearms you would have the freedom you so enjoy today!
By capt. Jack (17), Southampton on Dec 9, 12 7:26 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By LocalTeacher (23), Southampton on Dec 10, 12 8:51 PM
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Miss Contraception. Is that anything like Miss Congeniality? ;)
By Tay (35), Hampton Bays on Dec 16, 12 2:21 PM
Thank you to all the first responder for a great job done. You all are our backbone to this community!
By capt. Jack (17), Southampton on Dec 9, 12 7:29 PM
Correction, if it weren't for firearms you would not have the freedom you so enjoy today!
By capt. Jack (17), Southampton on Dec 9, 12 7:35 PM
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why don't we cut out all the non-sense
A sad situation was averted
two lives that were at risk were saved
the responders did their usual outstanding job. (don't take them for granted folks)
What more is there to say?

Merry Christmas folks.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Dec 10, 12 8:25 PM
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Just wondering why the villiage FD called a boat all the way from North Sea for help and didn't bother notifying the town bay constables, who have two boats right there in Shinnecock bay? Capt Brenner? Hello?
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 11, 12 5:43 AM
Do you do anything but criticize and complain? I didn't think so.
By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Dec 12, 12 1:17 PM
Black Lab- I noticied from your prior posts that u only bleat when someone dares to question or- God forbid-critisizes one of the ambulance or fire depts, one of which u are obviously a memebr. Let me fill u in on something- when you are a member of an entity which is funded by tax dollars you have to answer to the taxpayers; and the public has a RIGHT to question how your entity operates, how it spends our money, and to raise questions or voice complaints if we don't understand or approve ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 13, 12 6:47 AM
And I surmise you are a Bay Constable, or former one...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 13, 12 4:23 PM
It isn't about being on a high horse. I just don't find how doing nothing but complaining will help improve things. Going off of your prior posts, you do absolutely nothing but complain about almost everything. At least I have positive things to say about certain things. There are protocols in place and if you want to do something about it, write a letter, join the department, or just keep it to yourself if you have no way of being productive about it. The only bad thing you can point out is that ...more
By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Dec 13, 12 4:29 PM
Draggerman- No I am not but based on your screen name I would surmise that we are in the same industry. And I have an old friend who works for the government agency that operates the big aluminum boats with the red stripe on the side, and he has told me that his agency has the command authority for all SAR missions , and that his agency has been having problems with SOME of the FD's in the Long Island sector, specifically two in Southampton town, who have told his agency that THEY are "in charge, ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 14, 12 6:36 AM
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I was. Until the DEC and NMFS took the fun out of it... Fishing was and always will be, my preferred occupation.

That being said, I know that SFD called the USCG. There goes that argument. There were 2 Bay Constables on duty that day. One was in Westhampton, one in North Sea. They would have had to get to the CG dock (where their boats are for the winter)in record time to be of any help. It sounds like your beef is with the dispatchers who decided to call out SFD, not the fire department ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 15, 12 6:19 PM
You apparently have information that I'm not privy too (where the bay const were that day, the NSFD boat- someone in the dept said 500k, etc) but there was a ten minute delay for calling coast guard, and SVFD decided to call for mutual aid, not the coast grd, which is fine, however that being the case wouldn't you also notify the town police to send a boat which would be closer that NSFD and Sag Harbor?

When there is a life or death emergency doesn't it make sense to utilize ALL available ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 16, 12 5:47 AM
Sig, the SFD chief notified the USCG prior to calling mutual aid. As you have stated, the CG has lead agency on all SAR cases. It was decision to call for more help.

Bottom line is that the SFD and the USCG worked together on this call. NSFD was ready to launch at road D. Two lives were saved.

There isn't any controversy as far as I can see...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 16, 12 8:05 PM
the north sea boat had to come from conscience point. please tell us what boat they launched from road D- And I hope youre not going to say it was a small inflatable, because I 'm sure that little boat is not equiped for SAR in heavy fog (GPS, radar, FLIR), and a boat like this is useless in heavy fog. By the way what equip does the SVFD boat have? And while were at it please list the marine training your boat crews have.

The brunt of our disagreement comes down to this: I favor an ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 17, 12 7:08 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 17, 12 1:19 PM
Just answer the questions. very simple.
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 17, 12 9:02 PM
Still looking for the second shooter on the grassy knoll, are you.

You bore me.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 18, 12 10:25 PM
Still no answer. Your silence speaks for itself
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 19, 12 6:44 AM
Sig, I have neither the time, nor the energy to try to convince you that this was a good rescue, performed with correct equipment by qualified personnel. The facts are thus:

Dispatch called SFD.
SFD requested USCG
SFD requested NSFD to respond with a 20' RHIB to the scene
SFD boat was launched, responded to the scene
USCG small boat was underway.
SFD located 2 Victims within 10 minutes of the initial call
SFD gave USCG small boat the coordinates to rescue 2nd victim
SFD ...more
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 19, 12 11:05 AM
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See North of the Highways post above. Merry Christmas.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 11, 12 6:29 AM
Yeah you're right Draggerman- we should wait until someone dies before we ask questions or try to improve the way an emergency is handled.

All Im saying is if my dragger sprung a leak 12 miles out I wouldn't care who got there first as I floundered in the drink, but I'd sure as halibut want everyone with a boat or helicopter out there looking for me. Not a good time for surf and turf battles
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 13, 12 6:58 AM
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SFD and USCG were dispatched...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 13, 12 7:26 AM
the bay constables didn't notify flanders fd for a water rescue 500ft from the fd boat, they instead waited for a boat to come from the canal. That's just one of many incidents over the years of the bay constables playing politics with peoples lives. If a southampton fd member didn't hear the screams and call it in direct, these two might still be waiting for a bay constable to arrive from quogue.

By politcal pawn (121), Flanders on Dec 12, 12 3:28 AM
Really? Although it sounds like your beef is with the town police dispatchers-they are the ones who dispatch the bay constables, ambulance, fire dept etc. Didn't this happen like ten yrs ago? what else u got-and after this election I've heard enough about politics thank you. Oh no- I bet you got a ticket in your boat in flanders!
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 12, 12 6:04 AM
The updates to the article for the "print edition" on 12/12 detail what a close call this incident was. The coincidence of Mr. Wines hearing the men's voices in the fog as he was checking a house nearby on land. The fact that the men had shed their waders and tread water for over an hour.

Any delay in dispatching ANY asset to assist in a life or death situation, due to inter-agency squabbles and grudges, is never a good thing. Hopefully lessons were learned here, and the needed course corrections ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Dec 16, 12 7:19 AM
what lessons?
what corrections?

This was a perfect rescue with 3 agencies involved. The Hunters were in boats minutes after the FD and Coast Guard were notified.

Sig is trying to start controversy were it doesn't exist...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on Dec 20, 12 7:05 AM
It is normal, after an incident , to have a "de-brief" where the handling of the incident is reviewed to see what went right, what went wrong, and what could have been done differently to improve for the future.

The arrogance of the SVFD, as voiced by Draggerman obviously a member of that dept, is appaling- this rescue was not perfect, in fact there are several glaring imperfections as I have stated in prior posts- and it seems that the SVFD is not even willing to rationally discuss the ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 21, 12 7:40 AM
If you would like to be involved in the "de-brief" then you should join the department. Otherwise, you are not involved in the "de-brief" which takes place amongst the trained and appropriate officials of the local departments whch, again, does not include you. You are the only person out of everyone involved, including the USCG, who seems to have issues. Cut the BS and stop hiding behind 27East posts and come out with who you are, what your experience is, and who you think you should be to criticize ...more
By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Dec 21, 12 12:29 PM
"the trained and appropriate officials" - again I ask- what is the level of training in marine SAR of your members, and what equipment is in your boats? why is this an offensive question? I did not say I expected to be in on a debrief- and by the way in a multi agency incident officials from all agencies are there- not just from yours. Who are you and what is your experience? Obviousely you are a member of a local taxpayer funded FD, and I, as a taxpayer, have the RIGHT to ask the questions ...more
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Dec 22, 12 7:29 AM