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Jul 25, 2012 11:36 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Head-On County Road 39 Crash Backs Up Traffic For More Than Six Hours

Jul 25, 2012 12:01 PM

A monster traffic jam locked up most of the roads on the South Fork for as long as six hours on Tuesday afternoon and evening, while crews investigated and cleared a head-on crash between a compact SUV and a rolloff garbage truck on County Road 39 that resulted in one motorist being airlifted to the hospital.

The collision, which occurred near Inlet Road just east of the start of Sunrise Highway between Shinnecock Hills and Hampton Bays, caused a six-hour shutdown of a portion of the area’s major traffic artery.

Cars could be seen waiting in a bumper-to-bumper standstill traffic throughout Southampton Village for hours, leaving others temporarily stranded in a Waldbaum’s parking lot. The traffic jam’s impact rippled out in both directions, as east-west traffic was funneled solely to two-lane Montauk Highway.

The call of the crash came in at 1:56 p.m. The eastbound and westbound lanes of County Road 39 were not reopened until about 7:44 p.m., according to Southampton Town Police.

“A debris field encompassing all lanes of travel was covered in fluids from both vehicles, requiring the roadway to be completely closed while the drivers of the vehicles received medical attention,” read a police statement issued Wednesday morning. It remained closed until deemed safe for public use, the statement said.

During that time, State Police surveyed and diagrammed the accident scene as part of the crash investigation, Town Police Sergeant John Boden said. The Troopers have more sophisticated accident reconstruction tools than the Town Police.

“It was difficult because of the size and magnitude of the crash,” said Southampton Fire Captain Chris Brenner, who said his department was on the scene for about two hours. Its heavy rescue squad extricated one motorist from his car using the Jaws of Life, and its firefighters assisted with traffic control, which he said was coordinated well by all agencies involved.

A fuel spill and extreme heat were two factors that contributed to the time needed to clear the scene, he said. “We had a fuel spill probably about 65 feet across the roadway,” Capt. Brenner said. “It was very slippery and dangerous for the firemen and responders that were there.”

The spill was cleaned up, and the scene was turned over to the police for further environmental cleanup, he said. Temperatures in the high 80s to low 90s also made the job more difficult, he said. Nevertheless, he praised the work of the responders as a “true asset to the community.” “Kudos to all,” he said.

Police said a 2012 Mercedes-Benz SUV and a 2004 Western Star truck collided, injuring the driver of the Mercedes and causing substantial damage to both vehicles. The Mercedes driver was pulled from his car by firefighters and Southampton Volunteer Ambulance crews. He was flown by Suffolk County Police helicopter, which landed in the eastbound lanes of County Road 39, to Stony Brook University Hospital for the treatment of unspecified injuries. He had no passengers.

The truck driver, also a male and the sole occupant of his vehicle, was able to walk after the crash. He refused medical attention at the scene, police said.

Officers did not release the motorists’ names or explain what caused the crash. Both vehicles were impounded for further investigation.

County Road 39, from Hills Station Road to just west of the Lobster Grille Inn, was closed in both directions for about six hours. Traffic remained backed up for about an additional hour. Crash debris was strewn across all lanes of the highway.

Suffolk County Department of Public Works crews also responded to help clear the road.

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I get it. bad accident. However, investigate for an hour, clean up the road and get a lane open at least westbound so thousands of people don't have to suffer after a long hot day's work. Does the whole world out here have to come to a complete halt because of one motor vehicle accident. WLNG should be telling people not to go out to go shopping or anything not important to give working class a chance to get home. What is the evacuation plan if Sunrise is closed? Better have a boat. How hard is ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 4:50 PM
Obviously you don't get it. Don't you know that the whole idea behind accident investigation is to mess up the commute for everyone else! I'm sure they're laughing at everyone else's misfortune while they go about their duties.

Who cares if anyone was injured or worse, killed in this accident, right? People are sitting in traffic! That's what's important!
By itsamazing (224), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 5:08 PM
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I agree. This happened the when a woman was hit while crossing in the same spot years ago. Make a lane! traffic disaster. Hours waiting. Anyway, hope everyone is ok. Wlng and local channels should report accident.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 5:53 PM
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I hope you're not agreeing with me because my post was pretty much complete sarcasm because Mets fan posted something completely asinine
By itsamazing (224), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 6:41 PM
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Obviously you dont get it. Six hours to investigate a 2 vehicle accident? I've seen plane crashes cleared in less time. What the hell takes 6 hours? What is gonna happen here when there is a major disaster? Hours sitting in gridlock, WHY?
By jim (48), hampton bays on Jul 25, 12 12:59 AM
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Maybe when it's your father-in-law (the man in this accident is mine), you won't be so worried about people "suffering after a long hot day's work"...did you see the pictures in this article? My father-in-law was trapped inside that car and near death for hours. The paramedics and law enforcement did EXACTLY what they should have done, and the fellow drivers should be happy they were the ones sitting in a car and NOT the guy hit by a truck! The problem is the roadway itself and the fact that ...more
By lolajane (2), Philadelphia on Jul 25, 12 9:32 AM
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Respectfully ma'am the road is not the problem. The people operating vehicles in a reckless and/or irresponsible manner are. While I agree that many of the comments here are short sighted, ignorant and selfish, I have always found it interesting how people are so quick to blame inanimate things instead of themselves.

Looking at the photos your father in law was not hit by a truck, but rather quite the opposite. I hope that if he survived his recovery is speedy and fruitful.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 9:59 AM
And you would know if he was cut off by a speeder and/or trying to avoid an accident in the first place? Or if he had a heart attack while driving the car? Every time we are coming up to visit and heading out of town - he warns us to drive carefully on this road - EVERY time - he is adamant about it and tells us of all the accidents. He would be the first one to tell you that yes, it is the people driving on this road who are the primary problem. But the sheer number of accidents in this particular ...more
By lolajane (2), Philadelphia on Jul 25, 12 10:31 AM
Very sorry for your family's traumatic experience yesterday. Obviously any normal person would want police and medical teams to take as much time is needed to secure the scene, and quickly,safely expedite those who were injured. My problem is what happens after that has been taken care of. You don't live here. You weren't part of the chaos that occured during the wild fires in WH or the summer blackout. Waiting to get to an intersection with hundreds of cars in front of me and hundreds of cars in ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 11:44 AM
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By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 1:30 PM
Listen I can tell you have not read any other posts I have written, and I'll keep this succinct.

You can do whatever you want to the road. More lights, rumble strips, whatever. BUT, unless people's behavior and conduct are amended it matters naught.

I'm sorry for your grief, and I know the road to recovery will not be easy. Take care...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 4:30 PM
I was there during the wild fires...I was working out west at the time and was heading home in the thick of it....I don't recall being stuck. Of course I know my way around and I had been forwarned. I made it from hicksville to southampton with minor difficutly. I have also survived a my share of hurricanes out there. Traffic isnt a huge conern then either. The city folks head back to the city and the locals ride it out. Hurricanes dont come out of nowhere. Evacuating to my knowledge has never ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Jul 26, 12 7:37 AM
It was leaving the east end not coming into it were the delays. Your obviously high or from out of state to think we don't have evacuation problems.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 12:36 PM
The funny thing is from September-April we don't have these issues. This town has bEcome to over populated in the summer!!!!
By ianmegginson (1), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 12 1:17 PM
Mets Fan,
Apparently you don't know protocol... If there is a traffic fatality, a road closure, and investigation is necessary. Obviously the road is closed due to the potential of a fatality here. And you're concerned with the ride home from work... Perhaps you should look at a map, broaden your horizons, and discover a little road called "Old Montauk Highway"... Let alone muster up some sympathy for those a lot less fortunate than you, who are more than just "stuck in traffic"...
By The Royal 'We' (199), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 5:11 PM
That's about the most idiotic post of all time on this site Mets fan, and that's saying something. Have some compassion you UTI fool.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 24, 12 5:14 PM
anything that comes from bigfresh that disagrees with me is actually a compliment
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 7:19 PM
What does "compassion" have to do with it? The injured victim is long gone. Accident investigations are routine, and it's highly unlikely 6 hours was needed for the investigation/cleanup.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 24, 12 9:39 PM
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@ reality:

Did you see the stains on the road? The extent of the scattered wreckage?

It's actually impressive it only took six hours to reconstruct, document, and clean up the coolant, diesel fuel, tow the vehicles, transfer the container to another truck, and remove whatever else was in the roadway.

No offense, but broaden the scope of your mind's eye a bit, OK?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 24, 12 10:07 PM
Bigfresh, you are spot on on this one. Thank you
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jul 25, 12 10:14 AM
country 39 is a death trap...feels like accidents occur every 2 weeks
By GoldenBoy (351), EastEnd on Jul 24, 12 5:16 PM
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That 35 mph zone really works!
By ride the truth wave (125), southampton on Jul 24, 12 6:06 PM
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Happens enough that the Police should do a better job! And yes, they do laugh at you waiting in traffic!
By BigOne (22), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 12 6:45 PM
"Police should do a better job"? what a joke. I remember when they reduced it to 35, they set up a billboard to tell everyone and set up speed traps to catch speeders. Do you remember what happened next........the public complained and made them take the signs down and stop trying to catch speeders. Now that there was an inconvenience in peoples commute all of a sudden the cops are not doing their job....Funny how that works.
By MACK (50), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 7:34 AM
Suffolk Crime Scene called in for a 360 picture and road may open for the next 4 hrs. Not a fatal yet.
By BigOne (22), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 12 6:51 PM
Just think about that poor person in tha accident that was airlifted to the hospital which I hear has passed away. I bet they wish they were stuck in traffic right about now metsfan how can you say such things? Take a back road!!!y thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those involved
By princess11954 (5), east hampton on Jul 24, 12 6:53 PM
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Did you hear the person airlifted has passed away???
Pray for that person and their family and loved ones....
maybe the large cutout of a police car with radar isn't such a bad idea...how about next time increasing the shoulder lanes so that people can have a chance to get out of the way of another car or truck ....by the way...traffic was moving---and don't forget "rubbernecking" of people wanting to know what happened...and yes...metsfan in case you get infront OR inback of someone on ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 24, 12 8:14 PM
Very irresponsible to make tthat statement Very.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 11:18 AM
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By johnnyhampton (82), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 7:03 PM
For you idiots that weren't out there, it was complete gridlock, yes even Old Montauk Highway. I feel for anybody in an accident. I talking about opening a sliver of lane so the world out here can at least get home. For you people sitting at home,don't comment you don't know what it is like. All I'm saying is keep it measured, a sliver of a lane is not going to disrupt the whole investigation.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 7:28 PM
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You haven't seen the scope of the accident scene ... not good
By AndersEn (174), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 7:40 PM
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A sliver of a lane? Its not going to disrupt the investigation......how would you know, your more concerned about getting home then the well being of people involved!! I would believe that the road is considered a crime scene and anyone entering and exiting need to be documented, so if thats the case the road will be shut only to PD. Someone obv got seriously injured or killed today and your worried about a sliver of a lane......this worlds going down the crapper, sorry for your inconvenience today ...more
By mrobin (121), North Sea on Jul 24, 12 7:48 PM
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Yeah, I hear recovery time of the accident victim is dependant on stretching out a routine accident investigation. Have some compassion!
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 24, 12 9:40 PM
Start off all the accidengt scene cant be move until suffolk county moves out and trooper take there measurments which took at least 1 and half hour by it self. and when you open up a SLIVER OF LANE all traffic is to busy looking at the accident that a lot of cars get into rearend accidents and cause more gridlock plus the helicopter had to land right on sunrise cant have cars driving while a helicopter is landing. And if a lane is open then personel on scene have to worry about getting hit by rubbernecker ...more
By semperfi9263 (23), quogue on Jul 25, 12 9:20 AM
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That's what you get for living or working on this part of the island. There is 2 roads in and 2 out when there is a potential fatal you need to close the road that's how it works, if you don't like it move or work else where no one here will miss you. I also think its ridiculous that so many people are bad mouthing the police force in the area. You people find it easy to say they do such a bad job on a website, so I have an idea for you get into the law enforcement field and make the changes you ...more
By MLB (4), Sag Harbor on Jul 24, 12 7:33 PM
Spoken like an ex-cop. Staying right here, you don't like my bitching don't read my posts. I think there are better ways to do things and I open my mouth in public or on this website
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 7:54 PM
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If I were an ex cop I would have to agree to bad I am a landscaper that isn't a pure idiot like you and wants everyone to cater to them. Lets open a lane so the hardworking people can go back west. What about the hardworking people that want to come back east? Oh wait they don't matter there not you. Right or wrong this is how police all over the world have done stuff for decades so god forbid you had a hard day of work today. Playing the worlds smallest violin for ya buddy I feel real bad.
By MLB (4), Sag Harbor on Jul 24, 12 8:09 PM
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No, I have a better idea, how about demanding better service from the highest paid police force in the nation.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 24, 12 9:41 PM
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By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 10:44 PM
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I hate to break it to you but this happens everywhere not just the east end of Long Island. Hmmmmm I was traveling on the BQE once and traffic came to a complete stop...I was stuck for close to 3 hours...not sure how long traffic had been stopped before I got to that point. Why? Auto Accident. Interstate 95 near the PA DE Border...stuck for 4 hours...Why? Auto accident. It has nothing to do with where you live. It’s just what happens when there is an auto accident with fatalities or possible ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Jul 25, 12 7:31 AM
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I didn't see Suffolk County Police there...
By aschor06 (9), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 12 8:51 AM
suffolk police doesnt have jurisdiction... however if there is a murder or an arson in some cases they do work with southampton town.
By Sour09 (18), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 12:52 PM
The problem is that CR39 is becoming more and more like the BQE everyday
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Aug 1, 12 3:52 PM
geeze how fast were these people going to cause so much damage?
By clamdigger (85), Quogue on Jul 24, 12 7:34 PM
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It doesn't take much when it's a big truck vs a compact.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 24, 12 9:41 PM
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The speed limit on 39 should be enforced-too bad if it slows up traffic
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jul 24, 12 8:00 PM
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Sorry, 6 hours is outrageously long to keep a road closed. Especially when there aren't many, if any, alternative routes. And why does every person from every volunteer fire department for miles around need to respond? I have seen thirty cars/SUVs respond for one accident and thy stay at the site for hours.
I am saddened to hear someone died, but that person wasn't being treated for 6 hours at the scene of the accident. I know photographs and video of the scene need to be taken, but were ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 24, 12 8:31 PM
I try hard not to read comments on these articles because they are usually made by people like you who know NOTHING and do NOTHING but complain and bad mouth others. If you do not like the way the system works, volunteer yourself if you had the guts. You have no idea what it takes to do the job your neighbors volunteer to do in order to keep you safe. To answer your statement, each fire unit takes at least 4 members to operate and respond, and accident scenes like this, in the middle of a HOT day, ...more
By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 10:03 PM
The fire department, I read, secured the scene in two hours, which left another 4 hours. I was told they were waiting for D.O.T. to respond for a safety check of the truck. You know, the guys in the orange coveralls who work with the troopers and write up all the truckers in the rest areas.

6 hours for one injury? Way too long for that location....
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 12 5:42 PM
It took me 2 hrs 45 min to move .4 miles. How about a bridge from Southampton to Hampton Bays? Just to be used for emergencies like this. (And for very important people who need to get to the Beach Club)
By Toto (25), southampton on Jul 24, 12 9:02 PM
Several people mentioned that the local radio stations should have warned motorists about the accident and road closure. I heard them on WLNG warning people all afternoon and evening. Very happy I did not need to head west. Prayers going out to those involved in this terrible accident.
By beachbag50 (18), East Hampton on Jul 24, 12 9:25 PM
Unbelievable show a little compassion for the poor family that has to deal with the outcome of this horrific crash! Yes I can understand your fustration but if you were in that big of a hurry to get home there was a ferry in sag harbor that you could have taken! I'm shocked there were not any other accidents as a result of impatience....almost got into a head on wreck due to some idiot flying down the turning lane!!! Moral of the story SLOW DOWN life is too short!
By bonac79 (18), East Hampton on Jul 24, 12 9:28 PM
Why does it take so long? Lawsuits Happen.
By southold11971 (2), cutchogue on Jul 24, 12 9:42 PM
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Thanks to all the volunteer ambulance and fire departments that leave their jobs, accident after accident, fire after fire, whose bosses probably continue to pay them after they are fighting their way through traffic, behind idiots who don't move over, trying to get to accidents amidst the hustle and complete insanity of the summer crowds. How about writing a check to the local VOLUNTEER ambukance and fire departments who assist to the population that nearly, idk, multiplies by 30 in "the season". ...more
By beachgirl70 (7), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 9:44 PM
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I don't know how to begin this nicely, so I'll just write.

Looking at the photos, and garnering data from other sources a senior citizen had some type of medical episode while eastbound, and crossed the divider. A commercial vehicle was involved, thus magnifying the severity of the situation. The investigation not only needs to be thorough, but must be completely reconstructed, documented, and and any fault/blame must be determined.

As a professional commercial driver I know ...more
Jul 25, 12 9:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
Some good news here as it seems the gentleman did survive with the aid of the medics. Mea culpa...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 24, 12 9:52 PM
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I hope the person in that accident survives, those pictures of his smashed car are horrible.
But, to keep CR 39 closed for 6.5 hours is not the way to go. Has to be something they could do, when CR 39 is closed they need to make 2 lanes going West on Montauk Hwy that time of the day and use the shoulder for east bound traffic. I noticed not that much traffic going East. Montauk Hwy was backed up for miles and miles with cars from CR 39 trying to cut in, feeding in from all points. No police ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 10:01 PM
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Well, maybe if the commercial vehicle did not end up straddling the westbound lanes you'd have a point.

It's lucky there were only two vehicles involved.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 24, 12 10:34 PM
Maybe the County should think about put some speeded bump along the high away.
By Jasmim (2), Brazil on Jul 24, 12 10:38 PM
Pretty dumb idea.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 10:23 AM
Oh NO NO On a main highway! Have you no idea of the trouble that would cause?
We'd rather pay extra cops on duty to control Speed.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 25, 12 3:55 PM
It is a about time the police enforce the 35mph zone!! There are people who do 70 mph and 30 mph..That is a deadly combination . This area needs to be watched much more then it is..I travel this route 6 days a week and the police are almost nonexistent .
By tunagirl84 (6), east quogue on Jul 24, 12 10:49 PM
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Agreed. I travel CR39 five days for work and haven't seen a single patrol car in WEEKS.
By HBPatriot (19), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 9:10 AM
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It doesn't sound like speed played a role in this accident but regardless police are constantly ticketing on 39, I travel this road 5 days a week and see cars pulled over daily. 2 coworkers and my brother were ticketed within the last 30 days for driving between 51-53mph which is a little more than 15 mph over. In my experience tickets normally start at 20mph over the limit so IMO police have a smaller tolerance on this route. Its common knowledge that there is a low tolerance for speeding here, ...more
By Moneybogue (37), Westhampton Beach on Jul 25, 12 11:16 AM
No there are people doing 50 in what should be a 45.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 26, 12 11:08 PM
Did it really need to take six hrs to photograph, mark the accident scene and remove the two vehicles involved? Six hrs of road closure? This seems unjustified and unreasonable to all the motorists that endured a trip from hell. There needs to be a better back up plan.
By auntof9 (159), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 11:24 PM
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I feel badly for those involved in that horrific accident. I don't know the procedures for accident investigation and cleanup so if it takes six hours,,, so be it... However, sitting in Southampton Town for God knows how long today I noticed some roads out of town that had cars been directed to, would of eased the problem slightly. One is a road( forget name) coming up from Meadow Lane leaving town and the other was the road going behind the stores on the south side of Jobs Lane( across from the ...more
By pegee (14), Southampton on Jul 24, 12 11:24 PM
Have you been on the 'road' behind the shops on the s. side of Jobs Lane? I thought it was a dead end just a parking lot next to the Park.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 25, 12 3:59 PM
Well, seems to me the bright people found a place for dinner, or a few cocktails until the highway was cleared....
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 24, 12 11:31 PM
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which is a wonderful idea if you have no children to pick up from daycare or dinner to get done. Its not about the inconvenience its about a better way to deal with these situations. Police stationed at certain roads to keep traffic flowing would have helped.Most drivers wouldnt let anyone in from side roads so it took me 3 and a half hours on Hill St.
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Jul 25, 12 9:36 AM
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Well, with a car load of active kids who wanted to hit the circus- this wasn't so easy-
People with the strongest "toughen up" comments clearly didn't experience the 5-6 hour wait in a car.
By irishlad (3), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 12:30 AM
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How about having the "Plan B" you so desparately wanted from the local law enforcement?

You have to know someone on the other side of the canal who would watch the local kids late under the circumstances, don't you?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 9:18 PM
Did and traffic was exactly the same when I got back on the road... But I was well fed and rested...
By pegee (14), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 12:21 AM
Oh no cocktails.... Still had to drive....
By pegee (14), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 12:23 AM
Is anyone the least bit surprised that an accident of this severity has occurred? There will be more in August, the way people are driving out here it's a shock there isn't one like this every other day! It's beyond me why people can't/won't/don't stay in their own lane! The east end is really starting to sicken me, the whole "Hamptons" mentality is a big part of the problem. It's so cool to be here that it's NOT. One State trooper sitting in his car in the median just before it ends would do a ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 12:43 AM
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In a way, no. From what I understand, this was not an irresponsiblity related type of accident. BUT, every single day I see people doing foolish things like cutting off big trucks, being in a big hurry to go fifty yards only to waste fuel and slam on the brakes, unsafe lane changes, right turns from the LEFT lane across the bumpers of other vehicles, failure to yield, speeding thus messing up designed traffic patterns meant to leave gaps so drivers can safely enter the roadway (yes traffic lights ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 6:30 AM
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Granted, they are cutting off big trucks...I agree with that. But..some of the big trucks are going so fast they couldn't stop in an emergency if they had to. I have seen one particular garbage company always going way to fast on CR39.

By AnonymousSgh (183), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 12 6:56 AM
well not this operator.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 9:35 AM
Great post
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 10:25 AM
I think we shouldnt allow any more cars with New Jersey plates to come out here. Dont they have beaches in NJ? Would anyone in their right mind drive all the way out here thru Brooklyn and Queens and Nassau County and most of Suffolk to get to the "fabulous hamptons"?
By jim (48), hampton bays on Jul 25, 12 1:12 AM
You want ta know what the renters told me .... they go to NJ for their rental cars It is cheaper. They do not need a car in NYC. So they do not need to know how to drive. all that bottled up tension during the work week in a cubical and it's got to go somewhere.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 25, 12 4:04 PM
Doesn't surprise me with the way people drive out there and as for why it is shut down so long don't speculate when you dont understand the process involved in properly documenting a fatality scene to which there will be lawsuit claims in the future. Bodies cant just be moved moved to the side of the road for the medical examiner to pick up. The east end is saturated with people its going to be a traffic nightmare!!!
By OldSalt (10), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 12 7:01 AM
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Such inconvenience~ Don't you know..its all about them! I am being
facetious of course.
By AnonymousSgh (183), Sag Harbor on Jul 25, 12 7:26 AM
We can no longer sustain high density within the East End of Long Island! If we
truly are environmentally concerned STOP the sub-divisions and STOP the
expansion. Another route must be developed for emergency situations, ie,
temporary ferry service to move the traffic. Wish all those involved in the
accident speedy recovery. The Police Dept. is doing their best under very difficult
By East Ender (64), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 8:48 AM
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traffic did not clear up til' 10pm. imagine we had to evacuate the island?
By tranquility1985 (25), Westhampton on Jul 25, 12 8:57 AM
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can you explain that to my husband who didn't understand why i was so late getting from Southampton to Hampton Bays?
By EastEnder2 (30), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 9:25 AM
If you're on that side of the canal, you're toast. I think that's the main issue that the usual drama queens are missing. Of course people feel bad for the motorists in the accident but the bigger picture is that it's scary to think what would happen in an emergency.
By jams (129), hampton bays on Jul 25, 12 9:37 AM
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You could tell him to read this story.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 10:55 AM
My question is why are the cops out in packs during the off-season catching speeders along that stretch when during the summer months there isn't one seen for miles?
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jul 25, 12 9:15 AM
a lot more calls to hand during the summer months but the same amout of cops as in the winter. tax payers dont want to rate taxes so more police officers can get hired thats why....
By semperfi9263 (23), quogue on Jul 25, 12 9:21 AM
unless the situation is much like mel gibson's wife who couldnt be removed from the accident site because the tree was keeping her body from being split in half, then instead of leaving a fatal inside a car for hours (as in 2006 when rod stewart concert at southampton college combined with the second shutdown in 6 days in roughly the same spot as yesterday) then enact the order of the 'marlboro man' co-hort of steve buscemi's in fargo "just clear him off the road'
By jaboga (11), Speonk on Jul 25, 12 10:21 AM
mel gibson's movie wife...from whatever movie a tree kept her alive a little bit
By jaboga (11), Speonk on Jul 25, 12 10:25 AM
How many knee jerk, bone headed comments are you guys going to post about speeders. This accident wasn't the result of someone driving too fast. "Yeah, we need more cops writing more tickets", give me a break.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 10:28 AM
Here something for everyone: Since a number of you keep whining about how something has to be done, let's hear your ideas. If someone has a great idea that won't incovenience hundred of property owners, feel free to come forward and let us all know about it.

If you live or work on the South Fork, therea re only 2 main roads in and out. Yesterday, the larger one, was closed due to a serious accident and investigation. That left one 2 lane road for the majority of people to leave the ...more
By itsamazing (224), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 10:30 AM
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But they keep making the roads wider and wider to accomodate more and more vehicles, dont' they?

And yes, very glad to have made it home safe yesterday. In fact, every day that I naviagate the roads out here without seeing or getting involved in an accident myself, I am thankful.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jul 25, 12 10:56 AM
I was stuck in the mess too. Driving out to Southampton and back took 6 hours instead of two.
As bad as it was, I was glad to see the Southampton Police had people managing the diverted traffic, at least they do whatever they can to help get the traffic re-routed and directed.
Had this been a SCPD matter, they would divert us all off the road and not lift one finger, or give a crap for one minute, as to what happens to the diverted traffic. Kudo's to Southampton for doing what they could ...more
By Tanner (1), Port Jefferson on Jul 25, 12 10:39 AM
To all the moaning and bitching people. First let's begin with ccr 39. No matter how you enforce someone will always speed and it will always be someone else's fault. How about using this accident as a wake up call ro slow down. 2-nd of all the police can't pull everyone over and when they are handing out tickets some jackass is flashing lights to warn people that they are there. So go figure. As for the accident if you could do a better job go out and become the law enforcement. Yes it does take ...more
By lunachick317 (4), southampton on Jul 25, 12 10:41 AM
How about actually getting some information before commenting and accusing other people of bitching and moaning? Speed was not a factor in this HEAD ON COLLISION.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 25, 12 7:17 PM
First off where in this article does it state that the cause of the accident was due to either driver speeding? Haven't you heard of people falling asleep at the wheel or not paying attetion to the road and veering into the opposite lane? Or mis-judging the time to turn out of the side streets / businesses on CR39? Considering a garbage truck was involved.. I believe that much damage can be done to the average vehicle without speeding being to blame. Just saying.. On a sidenote- my prayers go ...more
By tranquility1985 (25), Westhampton on Jul 25, 12 11:15 AM
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People sitting in traffic should be happy that they got home in one piece. The news has not reported all the info. That's was drawings etc are being done.
By lunachick317 (4), southampton on Jul 25, 12 11:35 AM
Did anyone take the South Ferry from North Haven, cross Shelter Island, and head west on the North Fork?

"There's more than one way to skin a cat."

Next time text a friend heading west from work on the East End with a heads up?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 11:51 AM
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What is the evacuation plan if Sunrise is closed?......What happened yesterday give us a reality check in case of evacuation.....I went to Hampton Bays around 7 pm I did all back roads all the way to Magee st. then took all Montauk highway....I only saw one police woman giving a traffic ticket by the Shinnecock Reservation....I didn't see any other police officer directing or guiding people....should they have make all traffic go west in old montauk highway and then take turn with the traffic going ...more
By Bel (86), southampton on Jul 25, 12 12:31 PM
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Maybe people should have enough sense, decency, etiquette, and awareness of their surroundings so they don't need "nannies" to move them along?

America. One nation, under educated.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 7:44 PM
Newsday's website reporting the driver of the car is stable.
By EastEnder2 (30), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 1:04 PM
Town of Southampton should invest in SPEED BUMPS on County Road 39.. give no one a choice to go over the speed limit. I drive in and out of southampton 5 days a week.. its the scariest drive ever. People weaving in and out of traffic.. Speeding by at crazy speed.. No where to go to get off the road to get out of the way.. Absolutely insane road to drive.. Police officers giving tickets all day long.. uhhh i wonder how the town is making out with that money??? Put speed bumps up and everyone can ...more
By whbgrandma (1), westhampton beach on Jul 25, 12 2:07 PM
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Do you drive a car of a business/construction truck? If a car and only one occupant, pray tell why couldn't you use the train? I know you need transoportation to work and if enough workers would do it the daily traffic would decrease and be more manageable. after all y'all are making the area a city.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 25, 12 4:11 PM
Speed bumps? Really? That is laughable. There are lots of obvious problems associated with putting in speed bumps, but I will ask about a simple one. What do emergency vehicles do when they have to get someone to a hospital or get to a house that is burning down? Oh yeah, those speed bumps are a BRILLIANT idea.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 7:19 PM
I really don't understand those of you who are whining about the traffic and asking what will happen in an emergency or if the area needs to be evacuated. From the Shinnecock Canal EAST is an island. Two roads in, two roads out and a rail line. If one of those roads is closed, it should be no surprise that there will be a traffic jam on the other road. What happend yesterday is not a useful example for what would happen if there needed to be an evacuation due to a hurricane.

If there ...more
Jul 25, 12 2:33 PM appended by Nature
***Sunrise would be made into a WESTbound road
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 2:33 PM
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At least someone else on here gets it! Well said
By itsamazing (224), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 5:03 PM
There are at least 2 million people in Brooklyn, and Queens. Just over a million in Manhattan, and the Bronx. Almost another half million on Staten Island.

Good luck getting over the bridges...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 8:05 PM
I think a Jersey style barrier would make for a much safer cr 39 only in certain areas .Why they are widening the eastern part is beyond me .Good luck trying to make a left out of any of the auto dealers after that fiasco
By baymen (26), hamptonbays on Jul 25, 12 4:45 PM
Well the Town of Southampton made the 6 p.m. new on CBS, for the poor job the SH Town Police did by closing CR 39 yesterday for 6 hours.
It was stated on the news that the the town police kept passing the buck (for this mess and long closure) blaming the state police and Suffolk County.
Luckily the driver of the white mercedes was NOT KILLED has others stated on this blog. They also said thats why the road had to be closed for so long, an investigation was needed due to a fatality.
The ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 7:17 PM
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What else would the traffic do besides build?

Engage their Doc Brown hover kits, and fly away?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 8:18 PM
"They better not be putting in for OT for this mess" Why not, and what are you going to do abbout it?
This was a NYS PD Accident, how many cops do you think the state and town has on the road at any given time?
You have 3 westbound lanes, and shit two of them down, do the math and tell us how you would have handled it. How many times did you call PD distach and cry like little girl? Do you still have that hair up your wazoo cause your friend Tony didnt get the Chiefs job?
The people ...more
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 8:21 AM
Why was this collision treated as a crime scene? Can anyone answer that? Claims are being made that Suffolk County Crime Scene Unit was called in.
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 25, 12 7:22 PM
Potential for a fatality.

Just because someone doesn't die at the scene, doesn't mean they will survive.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 7:39 PM
What most of you haven't seen, are photos of the roll-off truck. Not only was the front axle torn out of it, the fuel tank was destroyed when the left front tire impacted it. That truck carries at least a 40 gallon tank, possibly larger, and it ruptured. The truck continued it's travel, and spilled fuel across the entire width of the highway. There was still speedy dry in the highway at 6:30 this morning.

What most of you blithering idiots don't get is that this was a MAJOR accident. ...more
Jul 25, 12 7:34 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, as far as an evacuation goes I probably wouldn't waste my time leaving. Batten down the hatches, huddle in the basement, and ride that mother out.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 7:34 PM
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DEC, DOT (commercial vehicle involvement), and a host of agencies.

Anyone whining would be correct if this were a pair of "four wheelers'. Because there was a COMMERCIAL VEHICLE involved, the nature of the investigation changes, and the number of agencies involved increases.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 8:23 PM
Mr. Z closing the road is understandable. How about some police presence. Just letting the traffic build by letting everyone pile on to CR 39 was idiotic. I kept calling the SH police from my cell & was told to stay on CR 39, this was at 5:15 pm at that point over by Burger King. They said don't try to switch over to Montauk Hwy. How bright was that information. Better COMMUNICATION thats all.
I finally did get over to Montauk Hwy and thats how I got home over 2 hours later. The road was till ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Jul 25, 12 9:28 PM
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Name calling. You are better than that. Let's just call it what it was. a bad job by the SHTP. No fatality and it took 6 hours to clean up, I don't think that is reasonable or normal.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 12 9:41 PM
What else is the traffic going to do besides build? Where else? On the back roads leading to the Village? Magee St.? Tuckahoe Rd.? Sebonac? Millstone Brook? The Village was pure gridlock, as was Hill Street. It wasn't idiotic, it put people on the artery instead of residential roads. Eventually, you would be diverted by the college, or possibly chose to make a left sooner. And, I'm sure the dispatchers enjoyed being badgered by people like you. If you know the accident is on 39, you shouldn't ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 1:46 AM
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Sorry, but that was not ad hominem.

It was a statement regarding general behavior. The closure was reasonable, and the time taken was necessary.

Get over it.
Jul 26, 12 1:52 AM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and if you had ANY idea the physical condition of the driver of the passenger vehicle, you'd know it's a miracle he made it. Let's just say he won't be walking for quite some time, it he ever does.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 1:52 AM
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I wasn't stuck in it so I don't really feel the need to get over anything. You can keep saying it was reasonable all you want, I just disagree. Part of my point was that name calling never changes anyone's mind. Some tend to belittle and in doing so show a sort of arrogance that they know better than anyone else.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 12 6:48 PM
I was stuck in that Horrid traffic for 5 hours straight! I have worked in Bridge for 8 years and have an hour commute. Never in my life have I been stuck like that. I am so upset at the job the police did. I understand the accident was horrible and my heart goes out to them, however, i'm sure everyone can agree, they could have done a much better job with the traffic. Actually anything would have been nice. open the shoulder or something. The police should have been out directing traffic at all ...more
By rtvlr1 (1), manorville on Jul 25, 12 8:16 PM
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I don't think there is much the police can do when there is a horrific accident that closes 4 lanes off the six lanes in or out of here.Reroute you where? There are no other roads and we are over capacity as is. The only thing that comes to mind is better communication with WLNG and News 12. I checked News 12 around 4pm yesterday and they just said that traffic was backed up by Hill Station Road due to an accident.( an understatement) The police could have alerted the news people that this problem ...more
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on Jul 25, 12 8:58 PM
If there were that many different agencies working on the scene, State PD, Southampton Town, and SCPD Motor Carrier maybe that could be the reason for the delay in opening the road. It was a lengthy investigation for a potential fatality. Some blogs want the police at every intersection and driving up and down with a mega phone.....read other articles the STPD is understaffed due to the politics of the town board, thanks to the volunteers that showed up to assist with the CRIME SCENE. The traffic ...more
By mrobin (121), North Sea on Jul 25, 12 9:07 PM
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Closing the highway for six hrs is just a crock of crap. They could of opened the shoulder on the west bound lane and let people through. I have seen fatalities with three cars on the expressway and they get you through in an hr or so. Our new chief Chief Wilson has now shown to be incompetant at best. He has crimes going on and won't release info to help in his investigation, He recently said that police work isn't like CSI. No Chief its more like the Keystone cops in Southampton staggering around ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 25, 12 9:23 PM
Thanks is true...I have seen worse accidents in 495 ..but always have been a plan to help the traffic ...slowly but surely...
By Bel (86), southampton on Jul 25, 12 9:37 PM
Chief1 of what? I hope to god you arent a chief of crap here, id worry about your membership. Gas and oil covering the roadway on all lanes, including the shoulder makes it a hazard to drivers. The white line starting the shoulder isnt a magical boundary which makes it any different from the rest of the road. What do you know about crime scene investigation? Anything? At all? Or just what you watch on tv. The readers of have made posts about this article are all complaining about the time it took ...more
By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 12:44 AM
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What are you chief of, exactly?

The westbound lane WAS the accident scene. As well as the shoulder, all four lanes, and the divider.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 1:58 AM
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You are clueless as usual. The truck was on the grass in the east bound lane and the car was in the center lane. They couldn't of opened the shoulder of the westbound lane? Six hours to clean up an accident is just plain stupid. Who was managing this accident why couldn't they put cones and let a single file of cars go through? Can you imagine if they closed the Expressway for 6 hours? All hell would break loose. This accident wasn't an accident because of speed so save the BS about traffic control. ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 26, 12 6:22 PM
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The left lane westbound was covered in diesel fuel. The truck most ikely had a 70 gallon tank. It stained the highway. The westbound lanes were a CRIME SCENE. Than means not even the shoulder will be opened. There was a potential fatality. It's a state highway, with commercial vehicle involvement and a hefty fuel spill. That means DOT, DEC, state troopers, and possibly the EPA.

I don't think I'm the clueless one...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 28, 12 2:05 PM
To dnice..I think the report said that the State Troopers handled the investigation, not the SOUTHAMPTON TOWN PD Maybe you should reread the article. Place the blame on the responsible department. The first responder handles the caase....
By unclemilt (57), southampton on Jul 25, 12 11:29 PM
Well said in all posts above, Mr. Z -- major major accident which took a long time to investigate thoroughly. Emphasis on "thoroughly" -- and well done by the authorities to get it right the first and only time they would be able to do the investigation.

Still curious if anyone proactively took the time to think about the option of taking the South Ferry to Shelter Island and going west via the North Fork. It was a nice night for a couple of boat rides, at least.

"If life hands ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 7:18 AM
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the ferry line was up and over the hill with a 90 minute wait
By sagstone (8), Sag Harbor on Jul 26, 12 6:59 PM
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many chose to take the ferry as the unusually long line showed
By sagstone (8), Sag Harbor on Jul 26, 12 7:54 PM
Time for a traffic light at Hills Station Rd.
By deKooning (106), southampton on Jul 26, 12 7:54 AM
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Traffic lights should be installed at all major intersections, with left turn lanes. The traffic flow and red lights should be carefully engineered to move at a uniform speed (30 MPH might work if the traffic flowed consistently?) from the Lobster Inn to Bridgehampton. All turns onto the main artery should be regulated so as not to interfere with the traffic flow.

Would this be expensive? Yes, but in comparison to what? The current situation is devolving into chaos and mayhem, which in ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 8:23 AM
PS -- Safety improvements would not have prevented this accident apparently caused by a medical condition, but the severity of the crash probably would have been reduced if each vehicle had been going 30 MPH (total head-on collision speed like hitting a brick wall at 60 MPH).

If both these vehicles were going 50 MPH, then the impact was more like 100 MPH combined. And as Mr. Z and others have pointed out, for the driver of the SUV to have survived the initial impact at all was a miracle. ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 9:20 AM
Last PS -- bring back the East End Shuttle on the LIRR and expand it to include the run from Babylon to Montauk.


"Rail or Fail" for the very long-run transportation needs for ALL of Long Island? An integrated system of shuttle trains, and connecting buses for N/S routes could really improve things. Did you see the Newsday article last week about the new freight train operation in Calverton hauling stone aggregate etc.? Amazing.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 9:26 AM
PBR - go back to Physics class. Impact is same as single car @ 50mph. Force is doubled but has to be divided by two (vehicles).

See the following from mythbusters:

Two cars crashing into each other at 50 mph will result in the same damage (for each car) as a single car hitting a wall at 50 mph.
In their small scale tests, the Mythbusters compressed clay at 1x and 2x speeds. Their results showed that two objects hitting each other at 1x speed will cause 1x damage. ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 12 8:12 PM
As I recall, f = ma.

Seems to me one vehicle was far more massive than the other.

I'm just sayin'...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 8:44 PM
Thanks, on further thought your analysis makes sense. It is as if each vehicle is hitting a solid stationary wall at 50 MPH (although each wall was just going 50 MPH also). Funny how counter-intuitive this seems.

Does the relative weight of each vehicle change the analysis?

It seems as if your example had two cars of relatively equal weight. In an exact head-on crash each going the same speed, I guess they would basically come to a stop at the place of impact.

Now, to ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 8:48 PM
The police are not to blame. The road needs to be closed down. The accidents needs to be re-created, the clean up, the photos taken and drawings. Then let's not forget the most important job of getting the injured taken care of. Everybody else can always do a better job. So u had to sit in traffic. Traffic has increased and gotten worse over the years. There are a lot more people around. Nothing can be opened, the scene can be considered a crime if either party dies. Maybe individuals should look ...more
By lunachick317 (4), southampton on Jul 26, 12 8:33 AM
The police are not to blame. The road needs to be closed down. The accidents needs to be re-created, the clean up, the photos taken and drawings. Then let's not forget the most important job of getting the injured taken care of. Everybody else can always do a better job. So u had to sit in traffic. Traffic has increased and gotten worse over the years. There are a lot more people around. Nothing can be opened, the scene can be considered a crime if either party dies. Maybe individuals should look ...more
By lunachick317 (4), southampton on Jul 26, 12 8:33 AM
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I would just like to say i feel fortunate to live in Southampton.We are lucky in that we do not experience the traffic snarls found Water Mill and east.Sorry to the commuters and those trying to get home.But if you live in Southampton and west , thoroughness and empathy for the injured by our municipiality are a small price to pay in a single day,for living in such a great area.
By STANNER (15), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 12 9:55 AM
Sorry, I'm not buying that 6.5 hours were needed to evacuate a driver and do a cleanup. And why do I keep reading that this was a crime scene? This same police department withheld the name of a suspect in a fatal hit and run for a week, preventing the public from helping and possibly facilitating an escape from the area. And they treat a nonfatal car accident as a crime scene and keep people on the road for 4-6 hours in 80-90 degree heat? Without adequate police-led traffic diversion? What kind ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Jul 26, 12 11:22 AM
For your info, this was a STATE pd investigation, not town. And what background do you have in criminal investigation that you know how long it takes? And just so you know, this was alllll done just to keep you on the road in the heat. That is the primary goal of police, fire departments, ambulance corps, and toy store owners. The longer you are stuck on the road, the happier everyone is right? Sarcasm. If you dont like the east end, move away or dont come back. Your a lucky SOB to be able to live ...more
By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 2:07 PM
First, I hope the gentleman who was in the compact car that was hit is recovering. While the County has done the best that could be expected with CR39, it is, forgive the expression, an accident waiting to happen. By the severity of the accident, I think we can also assume that someone was way exceeding the 35 mph limit. Before we start blaming the police, various officials, etc., lets go back a few decades.

In the early 70s a continuation of 4 lane rte 27 was proposed. It was to pick ...more
By smacw (240), New York on Jul 26, 12 12:56 PM
Montauk Hwy needs to be widened to four lanes east of the canal, and SR39 needs to be widened to six lanes. Both roads need a center divider.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jul 26, 12 1:26 PM
Yes, should be looking like Nassau Co. on no time.
By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Jul 26, 12 1:45 PM
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I think my idea is a bit more ecological and aesthetically desirable
By smacw (240), New York on Jul 27, 12 10:37 AM
That's the ticket EE68.


Actually it would probably be cheaper to continue the William Floyd Parkway south into the ocean as an elevated six-lane causeway, then turn east parallel to the shoreline, carrying on to Montauk Point, Block Island, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, Cape Cod, and then to Boston (with exits at various intermediate points). At the various inlets and deep sea shipping channels, the roadway could be elevated to allow ships underneath, or it could ...more
By Nero (301), Sag Harbor on Jul 26, 12 5:07 PM
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"Some rich men came and raped the land,
nobody caught 'em. Put up a bunch of ugly boxes,
and Jesus, people bought 'em."

~ Don Henley
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 8:28 PM
Dude, if you were a chick, I'd kiss ya'!

That was great!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 9:03 PM
The who accident was on the south side of the highway. After the driver was airlifted they couldn't of opened one lane west? Pure BS
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 26, 12 6:26 PM
The SUV was apparently eastbound, and veered into the westbound lane, where the roll-off truck hit it, thereby driving the SUV back into the westbound lane. The truck continued west a bit more, due its heavier weight and mass, and perhaps higher velocity on impact.

Please check the photos at the top left. The debris is scattered all over the entire roadway, and some probably went into the bushes on both sides of the road.

The authorities HAD to assume that the SUV driver might ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 7:14 PM
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 8:40 PM
Please cut the crap with the debri fields and all your other csi jargon. As usual the volunteer fireman and ambulance cut the person out of the car and stablized the scene in record time. What were the dozens of cops doing? Check out the pictures they are standing around instead of directing traffic or moving debri. This was a motor vehicle accident of two vehicles not a plane crash. Cops are suppose to help people. How many people waiting for 6 hrs had to pick up their kids or medical appointments? ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 27, 12 6:50 AM
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Never let the facts get in the way, eh Chief? I looked at the pictures several times and have yet to see "dozens" of cops standing around, at most 3 in one pic.
Fact: You have 3 lanes of traffice westbound as the westerly migration starts around 2 pm. Shut off two of those lanes, which probably carry 80% of the traffice. Smart folks, realizing what is going on, start heading south on Hill Station, Tuckahoe, Magee, etc. Probably takes all of 10 minutes before those routes are backed up to CR ...more
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 27, 12 9:42 AM
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Well said IMO.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 27, 12 2:50 PM
Any response Chief1, or do you just like to blather and hope no one presents facts to dispute your crap?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 28, 12 8:30 AM
chief, "the lane west" was not only covered in diesel fuel when the truck's left front tire destroyed the tank, there were also skidmarks in the left lane from the Mercedes spinning a 360 after the impact. The front axle was sheared from the leaf springs, and I'm not even sure ANY of the U-bolts made it through the impact. The skidmarks are evidence. There was easily thirty gallons of fuel spilled across the width of the highway, and it was most likely a 70 gallon capacity tank.

Seriously, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 28, 12 1:57 PM
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Correction -- SUV was driven back into the eastbound lane by the truck, apparently.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 26, 12 7:16 PM
"Call someplace 'paradise", kiss it goodbye.."

~ The Eagles, The Last Resort (Hotel California, 1976)

"They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot."

~ Joni Mitchell
Jul 26, 12 8:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Somebody laid the mountains low, while the town got high..."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 8:22 PM
Here's the whole Eagles tune, written sometime in 1975. My, how prophetic...

She came from Providence,
the one in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang
heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams
like a refugee
Just as her father came across the sea

She heard about a place people were smilin'
They spoke about the red man's way,
and how they loved the land
And they came from everywhere
to the Great Divide
Seeking ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 26, 12 8:31 PM
Well, all the champions of the universe were late getting home for dinner. How does the State Police dare do such a thing?
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 26, 12 11:37 PM
Not were to be seen... ;)
By Bel (86), southampton on Jul 29, 12 9:41 PM
OT site comment ----- a heads up in case you have also noticed this:

Parallel articles and comments?

It appears that some, but not all, comments are being posted here, and in another parallel article which will pop up if you click on the link at the top of the page: "SEE HOW THE STORY APPEARED IN PRINT."

Indeed, this comment may appear under both articles?

The comments below each of the two articles are not exactly the same, it would appear, so sometimes an isolated ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 27, 12 6:01 AM
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Confirmed -- that the comment posted under "the other article" also appeared here.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 27, 12 6:03 AM
When two stories (the breaking news version and the print vresion) are linked. They share the same comment thread, which then appears under both articles.
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (117), Westhampton Beach on Jul 27, 12 7:21 AM
Thanks Mr. Sutton, but the replies to specific comments ("Reply" button) do not seem to appear consistently IMO. If you compare all the comments (including indented replies) in the last day or two here, and the ones under the "other" article, they are different. No big deal, but it is confusing at times. Thanks BTW for all the timely updates to many articles over the last few months. Well done.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 27, 12 8:50 AM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 28, 12 12:35 AM
With all the technology that is available now-a-days shame on you all that are complaining you were stuck in traffic. There were plenty of resources warning people of the situation. Thank you 27 east, WLNG and News 12 (to name a few) for the updates. Once you were informed that CR 39 was closed common sense would tell you that the only road available would be Montauk Hwy!!! I know PLENTY of people that took the warning and either stayed at work a little later, went to a friend’s house, had ...more
By bonac79 (18), East Hampton on Jul 27, 12 10:06 AM
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Obvoiusly Bonacker, you weren't stuck in the traffic sitting in your cubbyhole in East Hampton. To all you genuises that said you should take Montauk Highway, THOUSANDS did, you couldn't even enter Hill street from a side street. No police prescence to Hampton Bays anywhere expediting traffic. Channel 61 said go to Montauk Highway, no red arrows on their map saying Montauk highway was a parking lot. The advice from WLNG should have been don't even try to go home till road opens up. Try to find place ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jul 29, 12 12:25 PM
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I just don't get it, so we sat in traffic. Our day was better then the accident victims no matter how you look at it. We live, work or play in the Hamptons only two ways in or out. Live with it.
By jacks (70), hampton bays on Jul 27, 12 1:21 PM
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Right on jacks, right on!
By The Gipper (11), Sag Harbor on Jul 27, 12 4:17 PM
That day I took back roads I left my home in Noyac around 7:30pm made it to Hampton Bays around 8:15pm......In my way there I saw only one police woman given a ticket in Old Montauk Hwy....I think this road could have been use taking turns making the traffic going West and then going East.....I don't think is a good excuse for what happened.
By Bel (86), southampton on Jul 28, 12 11:28 AM
Well Bel, if you could do that, why didn't everyone here crying about being stuck for hours on end do the same? Noyac to Hampton Bays under those circumstance, in 45 minutes is pretty darn good.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 29, 12 10:11 AM
What will it take for the dept of transportation to install a stop sign or traffic light in the vicinity of lobster inn/ inlet road area on county road 39.? How many more people need to get hurt before something is done to slow down traffic?
Today 7/28/12 another car accident in the area. Motorist just do not slow down going east when 27 ends to the 35 mph limit. Motorist heading west speed up after the college traffic signal. I have lived in the area for over 10 years and since the addition ...more
By John SCOTTO (1), Southampton on Jul 28, 12 3:37 PM
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They were probably thinking that people would respect the posted speed limit.

I such case accidents would most likely be a rarity.

Me, me, me, go, go, go...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 29, 12 12:54 PM
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There are lots of poorly designed roadways out here but most are inconveniences. This area however is deadly. Making a left to go east from the north side of co rd 39 is absurdly dangerous.
By Brian Bailey (36), Southampton on Jul 29, 12 3:02 PM
Honestly, traffic engineers designed the roadway to function properly, with some room for error.

Speeding at more than 40 MPH closes the gaps in traffic that the lights allow for. If people exceed 40 MPH, the gaps close, people are stuck waiting to make a turn, become frustrated, then bad things sometimes happen.

I understand thinking like an engineer, or "problem solver" isn't a trait everyone has, but obeying the rules within reason is an ability EVERYONE has.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 30, 12 5:01 PM
A 7 hour closure is unprofessional, especially in a non-fatal accident. Yes, the occupants may die at a later time, but unless they are dead on-scene it should be treated as a regular vehicular accident. You don't need CSI to come out and re-create the scene if all occupants are alive, and one driver actually up and walking. Why not ask him what happened?? Clean up the mess and open the road. No of us wants to second guess the emergency responders, but as a resident I see unnecessary road closures ...more
By deelove (152), Bridgehampton on Jul 29, 12 12:08 PM
If I was informed correctly, he did die and was resuscitated.

You, like many others simply don't get it. This was not a normal accident. Not only was it on the border of state and county highway, it involved a COMMERCIAL vehicle. That changes the game markedly. FEDERAL regulations stipulate what must be done when CDL drivers operating a commercial vehicle are in an accident.

Those guidelines were followed to the letter, and all agencies invlolved did their job thoroughly and ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 29, 12 12:59 PM
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Perhaps you didn't read the story, look at the pictures, or read the comments. Certainly not Mr Z's comments, anyway. Fatal and near fatal (i.e. injuries capable of causing death) are both treated the same. You may feeel you have the know how and experience to say how it should be done, but it is obvious you don't.
Yes, you can always interview the survivor and ask what happened. After all, what would be his motivtion to lie? (Are you serious?)
"Clean up the mess and open the road" Agin, ...more
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 30, 12 10:47 AM
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I miss the North Sea float burning down the boulevard.

I also miss being one of the loonies on the float!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 30, 12 4:45 PM
Per Mr. Z's indented "Reply" comment at 12:59 PM above (in this, the "Print" version of this article), the accident investigation appears to have been done correctly and by-the-book. Suggestions made by anyone who was not on the scene, that the investigation should have gone more quickly, seem to ignore the facts of this particular crash and its severity.

This was not an "unnecessary" road closure, unfortunately.

PS -- Mr. Z's indented Reply comment above has not appeared in the ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 29, 12 2:37 PM
If I was a terrorist, I would take note of the incompetence of the Southampton Police and that one minor accident caused a complete shut-down of the major east west artery for many hours. I hope Al Qaeda isn't watching this debacle! How this traffic accident was handled combined with how Chief Wilson inexplicably did not release info and a photo of the man accused of hitting the nun in Watermill, as a taxpayer I think we need to demand better.
By kidblast (6), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 12 8:43 AM
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You can't fix stupid.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Jul 30, 12 10:54 AM
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If you were a terrorist you would have blown yourself up in your own underwear due to your simple inability to read. The State Police were in charge of the investigation, not the town police. This was by no means a minor accident. As a taxpayer, you may be entitled to a reassessment but you can't read the forms. Until I get some inside information to the contrary, I will believe that there were legitimate reasons for handling the Water Mill case the way it was. FYI - yesterday's Easthampton ...more
By VOS (1241), WHB on Jul 30, 12 3:42 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 30, 12 4:46 PM
kidblast, did you read the same article i did. If so how do you call the accident minor. Would you be saying that if it was a loved one. Think before you type please.
By jacks (70), hampton bays on Jul 30, 12 3:10 PM
Chief Wilson is doing the very best he can. He has to take orders from higher ups and she has no clue.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jul 30, 12 4:59 PM
Is your comment about the Lobster Inn crash, or about the Water Mill hit-and-run?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 31, 12 4:49 AM
Is your comment about the Lobster Inn crash, or about the Water Mill hit-and-run?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 31, 12 4:52 AM
What did happen to the unfortunate individual involved in this accident? If you all think sitting in traffic was so horrible...what about the poor person and the family involved in it. Personally I'd choose the traffic.
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Jul 30, 12 6:25 PM
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New article out with an update time of 11:35 PM.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 1, 12 11:54 AM
What did you expect?? Intelligent comments from a "Mets fan"????
By ExChief (3), Southampton on Aug 11, 12 9:39 PM