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Jun 10, 2013 5:32 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Suffolk County Plans Spraying In Area This Week

Jun 11, 2013 11:06 AM
The Suffolk County Department of Health Services has announced that on Tuesday, June 11, from 5 a.m. to 8 p.m. salt marshes across Suffolk County will be treated to control mosquito larvae.

Select salt marshes in the towns of Babylon, Islip, Brookhaven, Southampton, East Hampton, Riverhead, Smithtown and Southold will be treated via low-altitude helicopter spraying. According to a press release, the chemicals have no significant human toxicity and measures are being taken to control drift into inhabited areas.

In the Town of southampton, spraying will take place at Stokes Poges, Jagger Lane, Moniebogue Lane, Westhampton Dunes, Dune Road, Meadow Lane, Iron Point and in North Sea.

In East Hampton, spraying will occur at Napeague, Beach Hampton and Accabonac Harbor.

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Pretty short notice by the county!

With the weather today, will this be postponed? The press release says:

"Should weather conditions prevent completion of the work, treatment will be continued on the next suitable day."
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 6:32 AM
It's incredible that the County is able to spray toxic material from a helicopter on both environmentalyy sensitive wetlands and in populated areas.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 11, 13 6:36 AM
They should do nothing so we can have a return of Malaria. This wet spring is really making for a bad tick and mosquito season..
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jun 11, 13 6:46 AM
Of course the County notice contains the typical boilerplate at the bottom. [emphasis added in all-caps]

Remember how they told us DDT would be safe in the 50's, and we almost lost the Osprey species?

Are we in another Silent Spring?

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"The products used are registered by the United States Environmental Protection Agency and the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and are applied in accordance ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 6:53 AM
http://suffolkcountyny.gov/Departments/HealthServices/tabid/132/ctl/Details/mid/907/ItemID/1362/Default.aspx
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 6:54 AM
Can anyone tell me if this stuff is harmful to pets? I live in one of the designated areas and my dogs love eating grass. None too happy about this.
By Elliver (20), southampton on Jun 11, 13 8:47 AM
How great. Low altitude helicopters raining poison on us with no "significant" human toxicity - which is good because I'm all for being covered is just slightly or medium toxic spray.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Jun 11, 13 8:58 AM
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Now you've got your finger on the pulse IMO.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 9:02 AM
Yes, its harmful to pets. HAZARD TO HUMANS (AND DOMESTIC ANIMALS)
CAUTION
Harmful if absorbed through skin. Causes moderate eye irritation. Avoid contact with skin, eyes, or clothing.Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling. Remove contaminated clothing and wash contaminated clothing before reuse.
Mixer/loaders and applicators not in enclosed cabs or
aircraft must wear a dust/mist filtering respirator meeting
NIOSH standards of at least N-95, R-95, or P-95. Repeated
exposure ...more
Jun 11, 13 9:09 AM appended by KevinLuss
your welcome. its more fun to get along, actually.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Jun 11, 13 9:09 AM
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Thank you for this detailed information.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 9:19 AM
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I believe that Kevin's information came from the manufacturer's site, so I will post a link below. Hopefully the Press will let this link stay, in the interest of public safety and awareness.

Search term: "NIOSH Vectovac 12 AS (Bti)
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 9:26 AM
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http://publichealth.valentbiosciences.com/docs/resources/vectobac-sup-sup-12as---specimen-label.pdf

This PDF will not open in Firefox, but maybe OK in Safari etc., or in Adobe Reader.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 9:27 AM
In Section 5.0 of the PDF it says the following. How is the County going to avoid spraying on (or creating drift over) "other persons?" How can application by helicopter comply with these explicit instructions?

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"When applying this product to standing water containing mosquito larvae in fields growing crops, do not apply this product in a way that will contact workers or other persons, either directly or through drift. Only protected handlers may be ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 9:37 AM
By telling the general public that on such and such a date between the hours of whatever and whatever we will be spraying at these locations so stay away.

It's not fool proof, but there generally aren't a ton of people hanging out at 6 AM in the salt marshes of those locations. Not defending the county, but it's not like they do it unannounced on the weekend between the hours of 10 AM and 4 PM
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 13 9:54 AM
Btw - the mosquito spray comes from the same people who brought you mosquito ditches. Those ditches only created MORE habitat for the mosquitos.... so we aren't exactly dealing with the best and the brightest
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 13 9:55 AM
The active ingredient in the insecticide being used is "Bacillus thuringiensis", probably the least dangerous of any insecticide unless you eat it in products produced from corn into which it has been spliced by genetic alteration (e.g. Doritos Tortilla Chips, Kellogg's Corn Flakes.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jun 11, 13 10:04 AM
Briefly from the road in reply --

-- 12 hours notice for spraying a known toxic material is factually and legally deficient on its face
-- the wind is now filling in from the SW with the rain front clearing out
-- the Montauk and Islip NOAA buoys are showing wind speeds/gusts of 15-20 knots
-- the wind graphs suggest that the wind will increase this afternoon IMO
-- the county notice covered until 8 PM did it not?

Plenty of people live IN and nearby the spray areas, ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 11:12 AM
PBR - save your breath and call up Kevin McCallister and he'll give you all the info you need.

The main active ingredient in this chemical, as HHS points out, is in the foods we eat and is really not detrimental to humans (no study has shown this). Yes, we were told a lie with DDT - but the public needs to have common sense. I remember seeing videos of kids running behind the DDT trucks as if it were a sprinkler.

Are you honestly just now becoming aware that the County uses ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 13 11:33 AM
Here we go again . . .

So you admit that the government has lied to us in the past, but that we should trust IT now, right? BTW no studies showed that DDT was harmful back then either. The "lack of studies" argument is a typical industry-centric smoke screen.

Anyway, the main criticism of the County's move here is the incredibly short notice given -- OVERNIGHT -- plus its profound insensitivity to the County residents who just might want the CHOICE of moving out for a day or two ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 11:59 AM
PS -- And may I remind you, Nature, of your quote above?

" . . . so we aren't exactly dealing with the best and the brightest . . . "
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 12:05 PM
All I'm saying is that it's not nearly as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. Do your research and you will come to the same conclusion. The fact of the matter is the spraying is done under the guise of eradicating the potential for West Nile and other viruses that are transmitted via Mosquitoes. We know that the "real" reason for doing this is because people don't like mosquitoes, and mosqitoes tend to hang out near the beach which generates a lot of $$$.

I suggested you ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 13 12:16 PM
Funny that you have to throw in an ad hominem insult into a scientific discussion. Plus you did not really address my main point regarding the terrible motive given.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 12:29 PM
Correction -- "notice" given
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 12:30 PM
Well, "in my opinion" you are acting as if the sky is falling and it's my opinion that lay people reading through these comments would given false weight to your "persistence" and believe that this truly is a horrible act being commited on the people of Suffolk County.

My guess with respect to notice/timing is that they look for specific weather conditions and timetables with respect to the mosquito larvae (can't use it on adult mosquitoes because it doesn't work - kinda like using it on ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 13 12:54 PM
Thanks for the reply. We probably are tuned to different frequencies on the issue of whether the ("we are poisoning ourselves in multiple ways and no one is awake") sky is falling, trusting authority, etc., so let's leave it at that.

The fact that all the media reported a deficient notice does not cure the deficiency by the way . . .

IMO.

Have a good weekend!

:)
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 11, 13 1:54 PM
BT is relatively harmless to mammals. How many of you wash your clothes with bleach? Check the warning label on that stuff. Much more chance of insect borne disease than any potential problems with this larvicide.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 13 1:37 PM
In reviewing the literature for the side effects of BT larvaecides, it is remarkable how UNIVERSAL the agreement seems to be that they pose no risk to humans and animals in the food chain. Words like "perfect" are used to describe this method of reducing the mosquito population.

Haven't we been down this road before?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Question Authority!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 12, 13 7:26 AM
remarkable? How about accurate? You eat it every day...
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 13 9:42 AM
Then why does the manufacturer's data sheet PDF -- FOR THIS USE -- have the warnings posted above?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 12, 13 10:01 AM
WOLF
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 13 10:30 AM
Everything in moderation PBR. The Manufactur doesn't want people taking baths in it like folks did when DDT was sprayed decades ago.

The amount you will possibly come in contact with is safe as long as you aren't kayaking behind the helicopter with your mouth open. Humans have died from drinking too much water or ingesting too much salt.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 13 10:32 AM
Do you understand that you get the reaction you do from simplistic broad-brush statements like "You eat it every day . . . "

That statement is neither factually accurate (referring to the actual larvaecide being ingested with food) nor helpful for an adult discussion IMO.

Further, it is over-broad and dismissive, even disrespectful in my view, as is your new ad hominem "WOLF."

If you don't have the patience for further discussions (including the one about dredging sand ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 12, 13 11:22 AM
PBR, it is a non-restricted use pesticide. What is the signal word on the label?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 13, 13 10:13 PM
PBR - your continued attempts to spew alarm raising information with nothing to back it up makes me lose all interest in having an adult conversation with you.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 13 11:38 AM
Hah!

It figures that (in your mind) the posting of the manufacturer's data sheet is spewing "alarm raising information with nothing to back it up," in contrast with your scholarly (and factually incorrect) re-assurance that "You eat it every day."

At least you have made it clear for all to see.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jun 12, 13 2:39 PM
The manufacture's data sheet doesn't say that going to areas that have recently been sprayed poses a harm. It basically says don't drink/shower/frolic in the stuff. Your posts imply that serious harm could be brought upon us all. What amuses me most is that you act like this is news. Where have you been PBR?

Btw - hope you're on their "no spray" list (which has been around for 12 years): http://www.suffolkcountyny.gov/Departments/PublicWorks/VectorControl/NoSprayLawRegistry.aspx

You ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 13 8:54 PM
Last October a dog died from drinking water from Georgica Pond An autopsy revealed that the dog had died of liver failure and that its stomach contained pond water and high levels of a toxic cyanobacteria known as microcystin that can cause severe liver harm. Mosquito larvae feed on bacteria.

Choose your poison.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Jun 12, 13 12:20 PM
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