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Aug 13, 2013 12:12 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Complaints Over Volleyball Games In Springs Lead To Proposed New Limit

Aug 13, 2013 4:56 PM

Sparked by complaints over noise, trash and traffic resulting from outdoor volleyball games in residential neighborhoods of Springs, proposed legislation before the East Hampton Town Board seeks to limit gatherings—indoors or outdoors, athletic or otherwise—to 15 people no more than three times a month.

The proposal, spearheaded by Councilwoman Theresa Quigley, the board’s Springs liaison, failed last week to move toward a public hearing, after board members Peter Van Scoyoc and Sylvia Overby said they would like more time to discuss the issue and gather feedback from residents.

“I think it’s unfortunate that we have to legislate common sense. I really do,” Ms. Quigley said in a phone interview on Monday. “Having people at your house is a social issue and we’re social beings, but having your property in essence turn into a gathering five nights a week is not appropriate. It disturbs the neighborhood.”

As the hamlet with the largest number of year-round residents in East Hampton Town and the most house lots under one acre, “Springs tends to feel the brunt of a neighbor who’s unneighborly,” she said.

In an effort to encourage residents to gather instead at public playing fields and recreational spaces, Ms. Quigley had town planning officials identify such sites and plot them on a map for presentation at a Town Board work session last week. The nine sites—soccer fields on Stephen Hand’s Path in Wainscott, the Pantigo baseball fields in East Hampton, the Terry King ballfield, Bistrian Land Corporation and Fresh Pond Park in Amagansett, the Maidstone ballfield in Springs, and Benson Point, Lions Field and Camp Hero in Montauk—are nicely spread throughout town, she pointed out to the board, but she added that she did not know what it would take to make them available to everyone all the time.

Should the town clamp down on gatherings in residential areas, it would have to provide adequate space elsewhere to meet the need to get together and socialize, she noted.

Ms. Quigley said she believes the proposed number of people and times someone could host an event per month were low, but said it was intentionally so, because the town can more easily adjust it to make the requirements less stringent following a public hearing. To make it more stringent would require another notice of public hearing to be issued, among other steps.

Enforcement of the law, should it be adopted, would be complaint driven. Upon a first complaint, Pat Gunn, the town’s public safety administrator, would inform the alleged offender of the law and give the offender a flier indicating the places where people can congregate and have organized activities, Ms. Quigley told the board.

Penalties have not yet been discussed, she said this week.

Mr. Van Scoyoc said he felt it was important to note that a number of the parks presented as possible public alternatives are not equipped for volleyball.

“Given the popularity of the sport in the town, perhaps we should be creating some additional venues for people to hold volleyball games in a public park,” he said.

The Terry King park, for example, might be an ideal place to dedicate to volleyball, he suggested, because its tennis courts are in disrepair.

He also said he had a problem supporting the law, as is, because it also pertains to indoor activity.

“It’s in essence taking the mass-gathering permits from 50 to 15,” Ms. Overby said, referring to the minimum number of participants needed to require a mass-gathering permit under the Town Code.

Connie Kenney, a Springs resident who has been outspoken about the issue, urged the Town Board to adopt an even tougher measure, limiting outdoor sporting events to once a month and requiring homeowners who throw such events to clean up afterward, including across the street from the event.

A lot of vacant lots become receptacles for garbage, she said.

“The broken beer bottles, strewn cans and just plan litter has defaced our neighborhood for too long,” she said. “I’m simply asking for mutual courtesy and respect for all.”

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Get lost Quigley... Get out of peoples backyards... Pretty soon we'll need a permit to breathe in this down.... Stop the island, I want to get off..
By The Royal 'We' (199), Southampton on Aug 15, 13 9:41 AM
Be our guest . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 15, 13 9:49 AM
WRONG!

THANK YOU MRS QUIGLEY!

See my comments below.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Aug 15, 13 11:11 PM
Let me guess - the code enforcement officers will be knocking on Seinfelds door whenever he has a couple friends over for a baseball game at his private field? (I know I know, he's in the village, but you get the point).
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 13 11:26 AM
seinfelds house is actually in the town. but I understand your thought
By tito (56), e hampton on Aug 15, 13 2:34 PM
Just looked it up... how do ya like that it's just outside the village boundaries. Thanks!
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 13 2:42 PM
Does anyone know if this would limit public protests?
By Moneybogue (37), Westhampton Beach on Aug 15, 13 11:56 AM
There is no body with the jurisdiction to legislate how many guests you can have at your home and how often. The premise is shocking and should trigger a serious evaluation of the capacity to serve of anyone who would ever consider much less propose such an outrageous and condescending regulation.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 15, 13 12:44 PM
The might as well put in the code "if your property has hedges, the law does not apply". Let's be real here, this isn't about people playing volleyball and hopefully we're all smart enough to see that.

This is egregious, and infringement of the rights all citizens of this country have, an infringement on your property rights, arbitrary and capricious, the list goes on and on (and I'm not even an attorney!).
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 13 12:57 PM
KL, your broad-brush over-reaction is simply wrong:

"There is no body with the jurisdiction to legislate how many guests you can have at your home and how often."

Just to exaggerate, could you have 100 guests over to your house, for every 24-hour day of the week for a year straight?

No.

The local municipalities have all kinds of laws about all kinds of activities (noise for instance), and throughout history the civil law had all kinds of Nuisance Laws on the books ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 9:03 AM
PS -- see Q333's post below. This situation IS a problem for some neighbors, and it WILL be regulated (or existing laws will be enforced more diligently) in some fashion IMO.

No Person Is An Island . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 9:06 AM
Yes, there is no question about it. If I wanted to have 100 people at my home for 24 hours a day every day, I would have the right to do so. Should you want to cite a particular regulation that would prohibit me from doing so, I would invite you to do the old ''cut-n-past''.
Aug 16, 13 11:56 AM appended by KevinLuss
I was wondering what took the guy who went apoplectic about a Willie Nelson concert so long to show up.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 16, 13 11:56 AM
Here's another shovel, keep diggin' . . .

First it is amazing that your PS is basically a personal "ad hominem," "shoot the messenger," off-topic smoke screen . . . [not to mention that my objections re: Willie's concert were quite limited to the PROCESS of the EH Town Board's in granting the mass gathering permit, a point which you conveniently side-step here, with another broad brush . . . .]

Moving on, the point here is that (unless you have a huge house on many many acres), ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 12:19 PM
Also, just a thought... but it takes a lot less than 15 people to play volleyball. And, is it 15 people INCLUDING residents of the address? Or in addition too? (you see where I'm going with this)
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 13 2:44 PM
A few years ago, the house next to me had weekly "volleyball games" here in Southampton, usually on Sunday. There were at least 3 families in the single family house to begin with (and still are thanks to Mr. Betts) including numerous children. Then the friends came over and blocked the entire street with their cars. It was like living next to a night club. The loud music and screaming went late into the night. One night they had a beer bottle launching competition into my yard. I got to pick up ...more
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Aug 15, 13 10:50 PM
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Q - it's not about "getting it" it's about coming up with a real solution to the problem. What's being proposed isn't a real solution because it will only be selectively enforced against a certain type of people and it's compeltley and wholly arbirtary and capricious.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 16, 13 9:07 AM
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BS. The law can be used against any complaints against anyone. In my case, I didn't bother to call the police because I knew they would tell me it's not illegal to have a "volleyball game". Now at least the poor neighbors of these houses in Springs can have the police respond and take some sort of action. If that's too elitist for you, then by all means, please welcome the "Volleyball Games" to a house NEXT DOOR TO YOU.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 10:26 AM
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Ok, so if Seinfeld's neighbors complain about his baseball games (he even has bleachers at this private field) you think the Town is going to slap him with a violation? Please.

How does this solve the problem of "volleyball games" if there are only 14 people?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 16, 13 10:54 AM
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Nature, you are absolutely correct. This is about Latino volleyball. Period and Councilwoman Theresa Quigley is appealing to the lowest common denominator by proposing such government overreach. This kind of bs is entirely in keeping the right-wing philosophy of "Self-deportation". This proposal amounts to nothing more than legalized harrassment. And to all of you Latino-bashers, never assume someone's legal status based on their skin color.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Aug 16, 13 1:26 PM
Really Dag? No Supermarket in neighborhood..No stores near my school...Liberal hypocrisy...They don't need another volleyball game in springs like they don't need another convenience store in Southampton...No more Sietes..right? It happens that its the Latin's that hold these games. But that does not make it an anti-Latin law. Face its a fiesta and neighbors are entitled to quiet enjoyment. Imagine if it was a group of Poles...Would be the same nuisance. If you want a big Volleyball party, go to ...more
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Aug 16, 13 9:23 PM
V, a pathetic and asinine attempt to connect 2 entirely disparate issues. Typical of someone with no ideas.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Aug 17, 13 12:23 PM
Please review the video from the 8/15/13 Town Board meeting (link below), and comment on the presentation by the neighbor Sylvia Rea (phonetic spelling), and her specific concerns.

Thank you
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:22 PM
perhaps the town should consider building outdoor volleyball courts on existing parks
By louse pt. (143), springs on Aug 16, 13 7:11 AM
When did volleyball become so popular?
By btdt (449), water mill on Aug 16, 13 10:47 AM
It's a cultural thing. We're not talking about a normal size group of people getting together for a friendly game of sport on a Sunday afternoon. These are excuses for parties with LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, in my experience involving large amounts of alcohol, loud music and the resulting noise, traffic, parking issues, trash, drunken behavior and property damage. My neighbors parties started on Friday and lasted through Monday morning If these parties were thrown less frequently if it would be still ...more
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 11:07 AM
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You hit the nail on the head with this one: "It's a cultural thing". I rest my case
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 16, 13 11:11 AM
Does the "cultural thing" obviate the need to inquire further, about property size and proximity (20 acres vs. 1/4 acre), neighborhood density, noise coming from the property, and so forth?

Nature, would you be willing to live next door to the worst-case-scenario situation, similar to the one which Q333 is describing?

Is any new legislation needed here in your opinion, or would the existing laws cover it, if they were enforced well? [parking, noise, littering, sanitation, etc.?

Thanks.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 12:54 PM
Enforce existing laws. All code enforcement has to do is say there are too many cars on the street, or music is too loud. Those who are parking in this for "culutural" reasons are likely not to argue with police, if you understand what I'm saying.

I have no qualms with the complaints of Q333 but making abritary laws (honestly PBR, where is the justification for 15 people, 3 times a month? It was made up from thin air) that are only going to be enforced on a specific group (anyone having ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 16, 13 1:22 PM
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Q333 - "It is a cultural thing" - translation, this is about stopping Latinos (specifically those from Ecuador where volleyball is extremely popular) from having get togethers, even if they legally rent or own.

Banning people from having gatherings at their home, Latino or otherwise, is the definition of "big government overreach" yet you have some of the most rabid righ-wingers supporting this action. Why? Let's not be mistaken, this is about Latinos and the right wing will always excuse ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Aug 16, 13 1:22 PM
**partaking in this (not parking)
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 16, 13 1:22 PM
Thanks Nature, enforcement of existing laws would seem to cover most of it. Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 16, 13 3:19 PM
these towns only enforce what they want to enforce. if the enforcement involves controversy or its deemed "cultural" then they want no part of enforcing the existing codes. Springs residents know this well.
By louse pt. (143), springs on Aug 17, 13 10:10 AM
Anyone on this thread that has supported the act of breaking federal law by not enforcing legal action against illegals is but a two faced whiner. You defended them now you can live next to them. Wah!!!
By double-D (96), southampton on Aug 16, 13 12:02 PM
Double-D proves my assertion above.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Aug 16, 13 1:28 PM
I'm even more floored that this was aimed at Latinos. Having been throughout Ecuador I can tell you that they do indeed love the sport and I can't believe what I'm reading. That's a shame.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 16, 13 1:34 PM
dagdavid nailed it. Ecuadorians love v-ball and have regular, well-attended games at their homes throughout the hamptons (I've been to one and they are intense and fun as hell).

This is about playing volleyball while Latino. Plain and simple.
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 16, 13 2:36 PM
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Lets remember who this woman is:

"A Springs resident called for East Hampton Town Councilwoman Theresa Quigley’s resignation at a Town Board meeting last Thursday, claiming she called some residents “Nazis” at an earlier meeting this month." The rest of the story can be found on this site.

and

The charge that there are illegally overcrowded homes in Springs is not a new one, but East Hampton Town Councilwoman Theresa Quigley thinks she might have a ...more
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 16, 13 2:48 PM
to Q333:

Having lived next door to loud, drunken, obscene and threatening summer renters myself, I can appreciate your concern but Quigley's proposal is a non-starter. It's obviously unconstitutional and at the first challenge its enforcement would be enjoined. There is really no good answer to the problem of having bad neighbors since their obnoxious behavior ceases instantly on appearance of the cops. Moreover, the oafs always know who lodged the complaint and they punish the complainant ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 16, 13 3:32 PM
How is Quigley's proposal unconstitutional?
By HB90 (164), southampton on Aug 17, 13 12:36 AM
to HB90:

As worded, it violates the 1st and 4th amendments (the right to peaceably assemble and the right to be secure in one's home.) The proposed law would prevent residents from hosting large dinner parties or political meetings, for instance.

Quigley knows this but assumes that no one will ever go to the expense of making a federal case out of it. Nevertheless, it is void on its face and could cost the town if illegal actions taken to enforce it cause damages for which a resident ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 17, 13 11:37 AM
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Are you also saying in effect that East Hampton Town's mass gathering permit process is unconstitutional?

Ditto for the Town's ordinance prohibiting more than a certain number of non-related people to inhabit the same house?

Re: your phrase "as worded" -- could the proposed legislation pass Constitutional muster if the wording were changed? How so?

Thank you.

PS -- Please watch the video of the 8/15 EH Town Board meeting (link way down below) and "opine" on whether ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:30 PM
Just wondering...what ethnic groups are we allowed to hold accountable for thier actions and which actually have to comply with the law? Is there a list we csn refer to?
By jams (129), hampton bays on Aug 16, 13 10:27 PM
You cannot apply any regulation or rule to a particular ethnic group. It's called discrimination.
Aug 17, 13 6:35 AM appended by KevinLuss
pbr, yes, i did. and sorry about yesterday. shouldn't have done that,actually.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 17, 13 6:35 AM
You might have missed that jams's post was mostly tongue-in-cheek IMO. The point being that the laws should be enforced no matter the ethnicity of an alleged violator, a proposition [as Winston Churchill might have said] up with which you would put?

If there is a noise problem here, including frequency of times per month, the existing noise ordinance should be enforced or revised.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 7:09 AM
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Thanks Kevin -- an understandable din of inequity . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 7:22 AM
Kevin Luss and Nature, please watch the video from the EH Town Board meeting of 8/15/13. See link and comments below, and reply whether you think that this is still just a "cultural thing." Please note the comments of the speaker Sylvia Rea (apologies if the spelling is not correct -- phonetic only).
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:18 PM
Since everyone writing in here is from SHT, no one apparently saw the last EH Town Board meeting on local cable where the individual/family most directly affected (living in the house next door) made her plea for help, noting that EVERY week for the past 3 years, when the weather is decent, she has had to deal with this unbearable problem. Garbage in the streets, urination, noise, traffic, unable to sit on her own deck. Oh, and that next door family making the plea for relief is Latino.
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Aug 16, 13 10:45 PM
zaz, if the current laws were fully enforced, in your opinion could the issues you list be dealt with adequately? [parking, trespassing, littering, noise, public intoxication and/or disorderly conduct, public urination, and so forth]

In other words, is this mostly an enforcement issue, and therefore more about adequate staffing, street patrols, and the best hours of observation/enforcement?

Are the current laws adequate as they are written/enforced, in particular the noise ordinance? ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 5:02 AM
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The meeting was this past Thursday, August 15. David Buda
By davbud (127), east hampton on Aug 17, 13 12:32 PM
Thank you. The video from the 8/15/13 meeting seems to confirm zaz's points IMO. [Connie Kinney (48:00) and Sylvia Rea (sp?) (55:00)]

Here is the official Town Meeting Portal page:

http://easthamptontown.iqm2.com/Citizens/Default.aspx#

The link for the Video is on the right of the Aug 15, 2013 line item.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:05 PM
Here is a direct link to the official EH Town video of the 8/15/13 meeting. [There is no PDF transcript of any meetings -- the video is the only full-text source of what happened.]

http://easthamptontown.iqm2.com/Citizens/SplitView.aspx?Mode=Video&MeetingID=1548&MinutesID=1581&FileFormat=doc&Format=Minutes&MediaFileFormat=wmv

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:07 PM
Kevin Luss and Nature, please review this video and comment on whether you still feel this is just a "cultural thing."

Thank you.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:19 PM
Doesn't change my feelings at all. Again, do you believe that it would be enforced against the wealthy inhabitants of Meadow Lane? Baseball is America's greatest pastime, so is it any different if Seinfeld were playing with his friends?

This whole thing is ridiculous. If everything that's claimed is true, then the code enforcement officers did a horrendous job of enforcing existing code and laws, and making new arbitrary ones won't fix it.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 13 1:26 PM
The facts would be totally different on Meadow Lane, OBVIOUSLY. [there you go again with a preposterous counter-point].

At least you recognize that at a minimum there is an enforcement problem here. In addition, the noise regulations probably need some tweaking.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:33 PM
PS Nature, did you actually watch the neighbor Sylvia Rea's presentation, or just rush to righteousness?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 1:35 PM
PS2 Nature -- Ms. Rea's presentation is approx. 6 minutes and 4 seconds long (incl. Q&A from Ms. Quigley), so unless you already had viewed this video before the link was posted at 1:07 PM (or were at the meeting?), your comment time stamp at 1:26 PM would surely qualify you as a quick reviewer of the testimony . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 2:43 PM
I'm well versed in using the "fast forward" option on the video feed...didn't need to sit through the first 45 minutes of the meeting... come on PBR, grabbin' at straws again.

I'm using a preposterous counter-point because the whole thing IS preposterous. There's nothing logical or reasonable about the proposal.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 13 4:13 PM
I posted time stamps above, speaking of grabbin' at straws . . . and "ad hominem" comments . . .

"nothing logical or reasonable" ?

NOTHING?

Suppose EH Town was your planning client, and came to you with a request that you recommend improvements to their Code incl. the noise limits?

So the draft proposal is not the best, that is why it is called a draft.

What would you recommend as a professional planner?

Nothing?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 4:41 PM
Wow. They're selling alcohol on top of everything else???????

Shut this mess down, NOW.

And thank you PBR for your dedication to this board and attempting to solve our community issues.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 9:56 PM
You accused me of "rushing toward righteousness", all's fair my friend.

Yes, you read right, "nothing". You know why? Because 15 people is a number they made up out of thin air, and so is 3 times a month... The complaints by the two women at the hearing are easily dealt with with a multitude of existing codes. Adding another code does nothing if it's not enforced, and enforcement is the problem here.

My recommendation would be "enforce the codes".
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 18, 13 10:24 AM
"rush to righteousness" is an exact quote . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 18, 13 11:46 AM
Indiscriminate enforcement of the law (done at random or without careful judgement) would seem to be discrimination (disadvantageous treatment or consideration) of those affected by the law-breakers.
By loading... (601), quiogue on Aug 17, 13 10:55 AM
The video FURTHER proves the point that this is about playing volleyball while Latino. The woman addresses and dismisses the question of ethnic bias, but that does not mean the issue is irrelevant. This woman makes a number of accusations but offers no proof. She accuses the volleyball players of "violating the law"? How, by playing a game of volleyball? As far as placing bets, are you not allowed to play poker in your house or have a football pooh with friends?
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 17, 13 2:57 PM
Ms. Rea did not say it was, or should be, illegal to play volleyball.

She and Ms. Kinney listed a number of illegal activities, including improper parking, blocking a driveway, excessive noise, public urination, littering on private property, and so forth.

The ethnicity of the players has nothing to do with their complaints.

Just curious, did you actually watch the video and notice anything about Ms. Rea which might undercut your (unwarranted) accusation that this is really ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 4:07 PM
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PBR, she made ACCUSATIONS of illegal acitivities. But you prefer to say she LISTED illegal activities, as if her assertions are factual simply because she claims them to be so. "Public urination" where, in their own yard? Have you never whipped it out and peed in your backyard while having a good time with friends? If they are parking improperly, call the police and ask that the cars be moved. If they are making too much noise, again, call the effing police and have them told to keep it down. ...more
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 18, 13 1:45 PM
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Please answer the last question above. ["Did you . . . notice anything about Ms. R . . . which might undercut . . . accusation that this is really about persecuting Latinos?"
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 19, 13 6:47 AM
Yes. And, you want more evidence that this is about nothing more than ethnicity, re-read the bigoted rant by Razza5350 that you liked.

Thank you, PBR, for validating my concerns about bias.
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 19, 13 9:57 AM
o PBR:

Thanks for the link. The relevant testimony starts as 48:08.

According to the first of the ladies who speaks, the obnoxious neighbor is charging money for entrants and for beer, both already covered by statutory prohibitions, as would be (I believe) packing the property with parked cars.

I don't know the wording of the East Hampton mass gathering permit process but I am sure that it distinguishes purposeful mass meetings from normal social gatherings. The proposal ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Aug 17, 13 4:00 PM
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Thanks for the reply -- well said.

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 17, 13 4:09 PM
Hey PBR I watched the salient portion of the video too. It didn't change my opinion but it did put a human face on it as opposed to all of our pontificating here. I feel sorry for the female home owner but she is a victim of East Hampton Town and of an ineffective Code Enforcement Dept , NOT a victim of her neighbors. Giving ineffective ''enforcers'' more rules to ''enforce'' doesn't seem like a logical solution to me. Why add another overreaching regulation to the volume of them already collecting ...more
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Aug 18, 13 7:14 AM
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Well said, thank you.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 18, 13 7:50 AM
Kevin you obviously haven't been down to springs. The best solution to stopping these volleyball games would be to have an INS agent present at each one. Alcohol, drugs, prostitution, loud noise, illegal housing and people in the country illegally are common place at these games. Would love for one of these blogging supporters to live next to these households. Watch them change their tune quick.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Aug 18, 13 11:15 PM
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Razza5350, and PBR who freaking "liked" his comments, have shown that claims of ethnic bias are the true motivation behind this push to limit individual rights. If these were teaparty's or meetings of their fellow bigots for a football game they'd be screaming "government overreach!"
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 19, 13 9:59 AM
"Illegal" is not a race.

Statistically over 80 percent of illegal immigrants are Hispanic. Maybe we should install a few more tin plated dictators, so entire countries would want to pick up and move here...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Aug 19, 13 10:40 AM
Right Z, "illegal" is not racist, but automatically assuming someone's status based on skin color IS!
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Aug 19, 13 10:50 AM
By the way has anyone seen the school test results from Springs.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Aug 18, 13 11:17 PM
The Springs is turning into something akin to a third world country Bub!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Aug 19, 13 6:46 AM
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By BlackLab (40), Southampton on Aug 20, 13 2:13 AM
I used to live near a home that regularly held these volleyball games, and I can assure you that nobody – and I mean NOBODY – would be able to stand living near one for very long. This is not a backyard gathering of friends or a Sunday BBQ. It’s not a small party or even a large party. Rather, it is a mass gathering of literally hundreds of people in one backyard, complete with paid admission, blaring music, drinking, parking and trash issues, and of course whooping, yelling, ...more
By Tay (35), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 13 12:36 PM
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I agree with all of that - but "15 people, three times a month" is arbitrary. As I previously stated, anyone wishing to have a graduation party, christening, bar mitzvah, communion celebration, birthday party (for a grandparent even), or a gathering post-funeral would be in violation.

Everything you listed (noise, hundreds of people, paid admission, loud music, parking issues, trash issues) can and should be handled by existing codes. Back when Southampton College existed house parties ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 13 12:53 PM
So, Nature, if you acknowledge that "it sounds like EH . . . dropped the ball" here, you seem to have softened your view above that, in reply to Q333: " 'It's a cultural thing.' I rest my case."
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 20, 13 3:41 PM
No PBR - you're misiterpreting that entirely. I stand by my argument of "It's a cultural thing, I rest my case". If it weren't for (as someone else put it) playing volleyball while hispanic, I don't think the solution of no more than 15 people, 3 times a month would be proposed. I never once stated that the complaints that have come to boil weren't just or validated, but the solution being proposed is absurd.

As I've asked you previously (and hopefully you will now answer since I have ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 13 3:50 PM
Yes the proposed legislation is fairly arbitrary, not artfully drawn, and will likely be enforced with an uneven hand. Plus as you have pointed out, the current laws especially the noise ordinance SHOULD be able to cover this.

It was NOT however motivated by ethnic bias IMO. The party next door could have been hosted by any ethnic group, and it still would have raised red flags, which has been my main point all along.

I suspect also that the noise ordinance has proven difficult ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 20, 13 4:26 PM
By the way, in its role as Nanny to The Rich and Famous, the Town Board spends a crazy amount of time on these mass gathering permits! Check the agendas and minutes at the Town meeting portal link way above.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 20, 13 4:30 PM
New article. [link above]

Quigley: proposal may languish.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Aug 21, 13 1:31 PM