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Oct 16, 2017 5:51 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Public Hearing On 'The Hills' Postponed To November 13

Oct 17, 2017 2:13 PM

UPDATE: Tuesday, 1 p.m.

The special meeting was rescheduled to Monday, November 13, at 6 p.m., according to notice sent out Tuesday afternoon.

The rescheduled meeting will be after Election Day, on November 7.

During the special meeting in November, the Town Board is expected to hold a public hearing on The Hills PDD law and accept a findings statement for the project—signaling the end of the State Environmental Quality Review.


The final public hearing on a controversial proposed luxury golf course development in East Quogue, The Hills, that was scheduled for this week, will be postponed due to the applicant’s failure to properly notify the community.

It was the responsibility of the applicant, Arizona-based Discovery Land Company, to post signs and mail notices to the community at least 14 days before the hearing—scheduled for a special meeting on Thursday night at the East Quogue Elementary School on Central Avenue. But in a letter sent to board members on Monday from the developer’s attorneys, it was revealed that the developers had failed to notice the hearing on time.

As a result, the Southampton Town Board lacks the requisite jurisdiction to hold the hearing, according to officials.

The focus of the hearing was a local PDD law that would change the zoning of the property and allow the developers to construct 118 units and an 18-hole golf course along Spinney Road. In order to build the development, Discovery Land Company is seeking approval for a special change of zone from the Town Board, called a planned development district, or PDD.

Wayne Bruyn, an attorney with O’Shea, Marcincuk & Bruyn LLP in Southampton, the firm representing Discovery Land Company, sent a letter to the Southampton Town Board on Monday to let it know about his client’s failure to post notice on time.

“The applicant apologizes for any inconveniences and respectfully requests that the Town Board reschedule the public hearing on the application at a time and place convenient to the parties,” Mr. Bruyn wrote in the letter.

Janice Wilson, the chief legislative aide in the town council office, said in an email that Thursday’s special meeting would still be held, though the Town Board would not open the hearing. It was not clear if the board still intended to vote on a findings statement for the project, the last step of an arduous state environmental study of the proposed development. The vote was first scheduled for earlier this month but was delayed.

Councilwoman Julie Lofstad said on Monday that she was disappointed to hear that the public hearing would be postponed, just as she felt about the postponement of the findings statement vote last month, because the ultimate decision keeps getting pushed off.

“I think the public, as I said before, deserves it to move forward one way or another,” Ms. Lofstad said.

Last month, when the findings statement vote was postponed, Ms. Lofstad said she wouldn’t support a positive statement about the project because of its potential impact on the aquifer—a point that was backed by fellow Councilman John Bouvier. Ms. Lofstad said on Monday that she made the comment last month so that if the final PDD vote was held after next months election, in which she is seeking another four-year term on the board, constituents would know where she stands.

“If this project is their deciding factor, I think they should know where I stand,” Ms. Lofstad said.

“That was part of the reason why I said something,” she continued. “People deserve to know how you feel—especially when there is an election coming up.”

Some of those who oppose the project—including Richard Amper, executive director of Long Island Pine Barrens Society—said the developer’s failure to post notice was a clue that the PDD does not have enough support on the board.

For the developer to get the go-ahead from the town, the final vote needs a supermajority, or four out of the five Town Board members to be in support.

“If they were going to win, you’d bet they would have showed up,” Mr. Amper said. “They can keep pushing off the inevitable for as long as they want. But the bottom line is that Discovery Land knows it lost this fight.”

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So "the developers failed to properly notify the community."
It's hard to believe that DLC couldn't accomplish this easy, required obligation. so people do you think they would really follow through protecting our environment as they claim they would do?
It's so obvious now, that Schneiderman is behind all of this, and so, voters, don't be fooled by this deliberate delay.


By HamptonClassic (132), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 8:05 PM
I totally agree with you HamptonClassic.

If Mr. Jay Schneiderman thinks we believe this story, I think his next job should be in Brooklyn, where they have a bridge that he can sell!

It is time for the voters to take a stand and kill this project, once and for all
Write-in FRED HAVEMEYER for Town Supervisor.

By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 10:45 PM
HamptonClassic, SpeedRacer, where do you get this stuff? Where? Jay Schneiderman's name isn't even mentioned in this piece, nor is it mentioned in Wayne Bruyn's letter to which the piece refers. (I've read the text of the letter.) The only way you can connect Schneiderman to this sleaze delaying tactic by Discovery is with the sort of baseless. toxic speculation that you've been putting out for weeks.

But it won't work. People aren't fools. It doesn't take much reflection to figure ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 16, 17 11:53 PM
Desperate moves by desperate people. A mega developer "forgot"?Unbelievable. They are taking full advantage of sloppy Town management. DLC has had their hand held by the Town through this whole process and still they get away with murder. What happened to the requirement for Suffolk County comments? They are trying anything and everything to postpone hoping they can come up with something to prevent the impending demise of the Hills PDD. I hope Fred Havemeyer enjoys the Supervisor title, he ...more
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Oct 17, 17 9:28 AM
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Based on these posts no one seems to trust Jay and I don't know how anyone can vote for him. Julie was against this before she was elected because her party lead by Turkey Bridge told her to be against it. These people have sold out to the highest bidder whether the developer or their party. Either way, they can't be trusted and need to go.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 17, 17 10:42 AM
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... their last resort is to influence the upcoming election. But that wont work - because the pro-hills candidates are particularly vulnerable - actually, they have no shot at winning. At last week's debate Schneiderman and the two repubs. Glinka and the other, who's name escapes me, "took the fifth" when asked their opinion on the hills. They refused to answer when asked about the most pressing issue facing the town and the moderator let them slide. I never saw anything like it - mind-blowing, ...more
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Oct 17, 17 10:46 AM
A current board member stating his/her position BEFORE the final information is available and official vote is reckless and irresponsible as is the case of Julie and John. To have a debate consumed by one issue is also reckless and irresponsible also so kudoes to the moderator Stan Glinka and "the other candidate whose name escapes you"
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 17, 17 11:01 AM
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Nice going you guys just shot down an opportunity to have a world-class facility helping out the areas economy, fools you are but it's very expected from xenophobic fisherman that live around here
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 17, 17 11:02 AM
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what is a 'world class facility'?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Oct 17, 17 11:56 AM
You’re wrong, HB Proud. On 9/26, Julie Lofstad and John Bouvier were addressing only the Findings Statement that was in front of them then, not the final item, which takes the form of a law allowing the project to go forward. In fact, they or any Board member could even take a position on that final item if they prefaced it with something like “Based on what I know now.” That allows for the effect of later evidence.

Neither of these approaches is “reckless” ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 17, 17 12:45 PM
Spin anyway you want....but don't take shots at me about taking shots at the democrats. Look at my posts - I supported Julie Lofstad since I thought she was going to fight for HB, but she sold her soul to you.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 17, 17 1:19 PM
This is outrageous, simply outrageous. How anyone could think this developer is above board is beyond me. Vote for Julie and Fred Havemeyer!!!! The town dem party is out of control and we must remind them of the electorate's wants and needs. Jay is not to be trusted, has bent over backwards for DLC at every step. Enough already!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Oct 17, 17 2:52 PM
Don't be sure that Julie won't change her mind after the election. The vote is now scheduled after the election. She turned her back on Hampton Bays, so don't be surprised if she turns her back on anti-Hills people after she is elected. She needed to stay anti-Hills to get the nomination from Turkey Bridge and use her "standing up" to get the vote of the HBCA and the EQ CAC and EQCA. "Fool me once shame on you foul me twice shame on me" or "I am forgiving enough for you to foul me once but not ...more
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 17, 17 3:56 PM
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So what do we do? Vote for a pro Hills candidate?????? Constructive criticism, not cynicism.
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Oct 17, 17 4:07 PM
Yeah, you are correct. There is a lot of hedging of bets on this - are the developers going to actually build as of right if they don't get "The Hills", What is Jay going to do? What is Julie actually going to do? You can't stop change - only manage it. Who do you think are the people you can trust to do that? I have made by choices not based on partisan politics or on The Hills, but based on trust.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 17, 17 4:27 PM

Predicted this outrageous sneaky move months ago. If DLC was first time out of the gate, using a novice attorney, well maybe one could believe this scenario.
However, that's not the case in this story. DLC claims to be top-notch and professional. Their attorney, Wayne D. Bruyn, is the Southampton Village attorney who has been around long enough to know the rules.

Registered voters might have been fooled first time around regarding Schneiderman, ...more
By HamptonClassic (132), Southampton on Oct 17, 17 6:23 PM
Turkey Bridge, There are so many cliches that I could use to answer your post - but they have all been used to denounce you and your sleazy partner, Mr Jay Schneiderman. You talk a good game about being against "The Hills PDD", especially when you counseled everyone to be patient because Mr Jay Schneiderman was following the rules - YEAH RIGHT. Maybe I still have one cliche that has not been used to describe you ... When you are in bed with dogs, don't be surprised when you wake up with fleas."
Thankfully, ...more
By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 17, 17 11:00 PM
Tommy John's wife is Town Judge Andrea. The Town Board has repeated blamed the judges for the continued illegal use of motels and overcrowded housing. The judges often run unopposed. Too much conflict of interest - perceived or real - too much power for one family.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 18, 17 9:26 AM
"Perceived or real"? That's what you said, right, HB Proud? If it's not real -- and it's not -- then it has no place in this discussion. You are engaging in the lowest sort of innuendo to defame a man who gives more of himself to serve the public in a month than most people do in a lifetime. There is a Trumpian thoughtlessness to your comment that I find just as contemptible as I do the president's meanderings.

For the Southampton community to lose the service of either of these highly ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 18, 17 10:40 PM
KILL THE HILLS !!!! Vote for Julie, Tommy John and write in Havemeyer. Out with Schneiderman and Glinka!!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Oct 18, 17 10:45 AM
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 19, 17 12:34 PM
One must be blind to not see what's going on here. Shameful!!!!
By Taz (725), East Quogue on Oct 18, 17 10:46 AM
HB Proud ... You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to impugn the integrity of Judge Andrea Schiavoni, one of the most hardworking and respected jurist on the East End. Candidate Tommy John Schiavoni is a smart competent person who has worked on many boards, rendering judgments on projects needing approval.

When you talk about " too much conflict of interest - perceived or real". The only person you can be talking about is Councilman Stan Glinka, a Vice President of a Bank. As been ...more
By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 18, 17 10:23 PM
I am not trying to "impugn the integrity of Judge Schiavoni. I applaud the Schiavoni's commitment to public service. he point I was making is that the Courts are not completely separate from the Town Board. There is too much conflict of interest - perceived or real.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 19, 17 11:00 AM
There you go again with the "perceived or real" stuff. See my post above on that. There I said, among other things, that your comment is Trumpian, and here you are now with another Trumpian move; you get caught in a blatant slur and called on it, and instead of apologizing like a man, you double down like a kid in a schoolyard. You must really like the guy you elected to be president.

But let's not get distracted with DJT, as so many do, including me, I'm sorry to say. Let's note that ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 19, 17 11:53 AM
This is not personal against the Schiavoni's at all. I am merely pointing out that these two positions in Town Government are related. The Schiavoni's may be placed in a position of conflict of interest and would have to recuse themselves over conflicts of interest which may impede on the process. In my opinion, these two positions should not be held by related parties. Last time I looked, this is still a democracy and I am entitled to my opinion and vote the way I want, right? .
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 19, 17 12:17 PM
I'm confused. Is Superintendent Schneiderman for The Hills or not? Is there any legal reason for him to not go on record as to how he will vote on this zoning variance?
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Oct 19, 17 5:39 PM
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The next debate is on Monday Oct 22 in Hampton Bays. Show up and ask this question. See if he gives you a direct answer!
By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 19, 17 7:57 PM
There is always the chance of a law suit regardless of how the vote goes. It seems to be SOP these days. Anything and everything that is said by the Board can be used in litigation. I'd like to think that the Town Board members are smart enough to want to minimize or avoid litigation as much as possible. If you have watched other projects of this magnitude you will see that it isn't unheard of for board members to not voice their opinions prior to the process being complete.

Of course, ...more
By bb (922), Hampton Bays on Oct 28, 17 6:53 PM
The "as of" right development, if The Hills is not granted a zoning variance, will never be built. There is no financial method for supplying construction capital for fout hundred 5 acre homes. It simply won't be able to finance. The CPF will buy the land, just like it bought the Lobster Inn property when the adjacent strip mall development was denied.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Oct 19, 17 5:44 PM
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What facts are you basing this on?
By bb (922), Hampton Bays on Oct 27, 17 7:59 PM
Southampton Town Trustees are custodians of our waters.

Trustees, current and candidates, should state their views on "The Hills PDD".

Constituents need to know before Election Day.

Perhaps on Monday, October 23, at the Debate in Hampton Bays, the Trustees will answer this important question.
By HamptonClassic (132), Southampton on Oct 20, 17 7:56 PM

On Monday October 23 at 6:30 PM, The Hampton Bays Civic Association will host a debate for all candidates. The debate will be held at the Community Center in the King Kullen shopping center.

Courageous Councilwoman Julie Lofstad and Candidate Tommy John Schiavoni will present their views and answer questions. I wonder if Silent Stan The Bankerman Glinka will finally state his view on The Hills PDD, or once again remain silent. And then there is his running ...more
By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 22, 17 8:33 PM
... Lostad and Schiavoni were brilliant last night. They had a great command of the issues facing Hampton Bays and the town in general. They were fervent in their resolve to not accept the hillls as even a possibility.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Oct 24, 17 11:43 AM
Brilliant? I don't think so. I would say not horrible. Tommy John is well spoken, but so is his wife, a Town Judge. Too much conflict of interest - too much power for one family. And look at the Sag Harbor School District expansion many of the taxpayers don't vote there so they get to do what they want. It doesn't matter how Julie did - her job performance speaks for itself. Ray Overton was a shining star at that debate last night.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Oct 24, 17 11:55 AM
The Hills is one issue. I am not downplaying it as an important topic. But, what exactly has Ms. Lofstad done other than voice her opinion on this topic. Meeting after meeting she sits in total silence while discussion goes on around her. What has she done for Hampton Bays? Has she worked with code enforcement on the problem with overcrowding and horrible housing conditions? What else has she voiced an opinion on? I'm sorry, but whatever you think about the Hills, you must realize that there ...more
By bb (922), Hampton Bays on Oct 27, 17 8:10 PM
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By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 24, 17 9:38 PM