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Dec 23, 2014 11:40 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Bishop Leaves Behind Legacy As East End Advocate

Dec 23, 2014 11:40 AM

Two wars, the largest recession since the Great Depression and sweeping health care reform all contributed to making the past 12 years, which U.S. Representative Tim Bishop has spent in Washington, D.C., one of the most tumultuous eras in American politics.

With the year winding to a close, and fewer than seven weeks separating him from his loss to Congressman-elect Lee Zeldin, Mr. Bishop has already made the transition out of the post he has held since 2003. He packed up his office in the Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill last month and, earlier this week, the phones in his Southampton Village office were disconnected.

As the Southampton native makes the transition out of elected office, he leaves behind a deeply divided Congress that is in a constant state of harsh campaigning. He also leaves behind a legacy of dedicated constituent service and a long record of advocating for Long Island’s East End.

“I am most proud of the work we did to help individual constituents—my staff and I resolved more than 17,000 constituent service issues,” Mr. Bishop said when reached by phone last week. “I think that is government working at its finest: solving individual problems for individual people, and we were very good at it. The work we did changed lives.”

Mr. Bishop took office on January 3, 2003, after defeating one-term U.S. Representative Felix Grucci Jr. in the previous year’s midterm election. The United States was already entrenched in a war in Afghanistan and preparing to begin a second campaign in Iraq.

More than a decade later, the U.S. remains deeply involved in both countries, despite plans to withdraw troops.

“Iraq has turned out to be a spectacular mistake. I was not a part of that decision to go to war, and I have argued against it since being elected,” Mr. Bishop said. “As it turns out it has probably been the biggest foreign policy mistake the country has ever made, with the rise of ISIS and other groups that have come to resent America. The seeds of a lot of that were sown by our decision to invade Iraq and so inflame the radicalization of the Middle East.”

In the subsequent years, the country would slowly trickle into a deeper and deep recession, until the bottom fell out in 2008, leading to government bailouts of the financial, auto and housing industries. Though Mr. Bishop has spent the majority of his time in office in the minority party, the Democrat’s four years in charge of the House came at the peak of the economic downturn, from 2007 to 2011.

At the time, Mr. Bishop rallied behind the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, a 2008 initiative commonly referred to as the Wall Street bailout. Though he took heat at the time, he considers the program a success and himself on the right side of history. He believes the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, will go the same route and eventually be seen as a success.

“I’m convinced that, 10 years from now, people will be amazed that Americans didn’t have access to health care because they didn’t have health insurance. We’re talking about tens of millions of people who now have access,” Mr. Bishop said. “It’s a work in progress, but I think the Affordable Care Act will prove them wrong, just like history has proved the people who were pounding the table saying not to pass TARP were wrong, just as the people who opposed bailing out the auto industry were wrong. I’m happy with where I stand on all those issues.”

During the past six years, Mr. Bishop has stood steadfastly behind President Barack Obama, even, at times, to his own detriment.

Mr. Bishop said the issues Mr. Obama has faced during his tenure in the Oval Office are surpassed only by Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt. Though Mr. Bishop admits the president has not been the healer many had hoped he would be, he believes Mr. Obama has dealt appropriately with both wars and the economy.

Gordon Herr, chairman of the Southampton Town Democratic Committee, said Mr. Obama is largely to blame for Mr. Bishop failing in his sixth bid for reelection, with the president’s dwindling popularity giving way to a surge of Republicans in both the House and Senate during this year’s election.

Mr. Herr said it’s unfortunate that the national movement away from Mr. Obama overshadowed Mr. Bishop’s accomplishments, especially on the East End.

“Tim Bishop, being a Southampton resident and having a family that’s been here for generations, he had the East End’s best interests at heart,” Mr. Herr said. “More than that, he was able to achieve results.”

Mr. Bishop counts fighting to keep the U.S. Air National Guard 106th Rescue Wing at Francis S. Gabreski Airport in Westhampton; blocking the construction of a liquid nitrogen gas terminal in the middle of the Long Island Sound; and various U.S. Army Corps of Engineers dredging projects at the Shinnecock and Moriches inlets, as well as Lake Montauk Harbor, among his proudest accomplishments. He also prides himself on the $150 million in earmarked expenditures he brought back to the district before the practice was banned in 2011.

Despite his best efforts to run on his record alone during this past election cycle, outside expenditures by Super PACs would not allow it. Money from these groups flowed in for both candidates, with most of the attacks against Mr. Bishop focusing on a 2012 incident in which the congressman helped two constituents get a permit for a Grucci firework show at their home and then asked the constituents, Eric and Tracy Semler of Sagaponack, for donations. The incident is still under investigation by the Congressional Ethics Committee.

Ironically, in that way, Mr. Bishop’s treasured commitment to constituent service might have contributed to his downfall.

“It put him on the defensive and distracted him from talking about the rest of his record, but the larger tides are what did him in,” State Assemblyman Fred Thiele Jr. said. “Certainly, it was a negative factor in the race, but I think it would not have been outcome determinant if it weren’t for these other trends going on throughout the country.”

Mr. Bishop said the influx of dark money from anonymous donors to these Super PACs has drastically changed the way campaigns are run by increasing not only the number of attack ads but also the content behind them.

“I’m sensitive because it was me and my family, but I think the ads run on my opponent’s behalf were among the most vicious and defamatory ads that I’ve ever seen, as well as untrue and misleading,” he said. “And I’m not alone in that feeling.”

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Tim Bishop may very well be the last Congressman from the East End.
Thank you Congressman for your hard work on behalf of the people of the East End.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Dec 23, 14 3:18 PM
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Oh puh-lease. How many other Congressmen from the East End were investigated by the FBI in our lifetime? None. His legacy: the Mailman asking for 10 Large to blow up some piping plovers and playing lap dog to Obama while they sold out this country. Good riddance. Leave it to the Press to give the fawning good bye kiss. Where was this paper when the scandal was happening? Ignoring it and endorsing him anyway.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Dec 23, 14 5:03 PM
Because the Ethics Committee only investigates sitting members of Congress, Bishop’s election night defeat means the case is effectively closed on Capitol Hill. 

By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Dec 24, 14 5:44 AM
Every time that belligerent , race baiting , tax evading , bottom feeding, non working excuse for a man of the cloth bellows "No justice no peace" he is inciting the fools who follow him to violence. Note to Phil : race was not mentioned in this post, if you read race into it, you have the problem. Happy Birthday Jesus!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 23, 14 5:03 PM
Race only comes up when you chime in.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 23, 14 9:12 PM
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lol, four out of five bloggers surveyed would say you would seem to know the best
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Dec 23, 14 9:32 PM
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We have been though the Travon Martian thing Ad nauseam, verdict you and Mets fan are the only ones here who do not think he was a thug who was high on Lean/Purple Drank and DXM. Look it up for yourselves, dont take anyone word in here.Trayvon Martin’s phone was full of text messages, suggestive of the drugs he was making and taking, as well as violence and criminal behavior. [According to the Miami Herald,] Trayvon Martin was on his third suspension from school and there is evidence Trayvon ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 23, 14 9:42 PM
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You tell me Phil.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 23, 14 9:43 PM
I never commented on that case. Try not to make stuff up.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 26, 14 1:51 PM
Thank you Tim for all you have done for us on the east end. You may be the last one from the east end to represent this part of the state. Sad to think we don't have your caring and knowledge representing us now:(
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Dec 23, 14 5:09 PM
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Thank you, Tim. You have served us well. No one will ever realize the time and energy you gave to the First Congressional District. It was not your job, it was your life. Your dedication and love of this district was amazing. I hope your future plans make you as happy as you were to represent all of us. Take time to enjoy your family. No words could ever express our gratitude. God Speed.
By Hampton Hillbilly (10), Hampton Bays on Dec 24, 14 9:25 AM
Thank you Tim for providing me with the best job on earth--I made over a half million bucks opening your mail!

Signed, your grateful daughter.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Dec 24, 14 10:27 AM
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To a good person and great representative in Congress for the east end! Thank You! God Bless you and your family
By Jimion (129), Hampton Bays on Dec 24, 14 11:05 AM
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Most Everyone have a Merry Christmas !

Well, Phil, Mets Fan and HHS not so much.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 24, 14 3:27 PM
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Merry Christmas all... even Tim Bishop
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Dec 24, 14 3:49 PM
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Hope that everyone has a wonderful Christmas surrounded by loving family and friends and a New Year that is the first day of the best year of their lives.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 24, 14 4:22 PM
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Merry Christmas to all. Very nice sentiment HHS.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 24, 14 6:06 PM
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Alright HHS Also
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 25, 14 1:17 AM
I have trouble saying wising a Merry Christmas to race baiting anarchists
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 26, 14 11:24 AM
I hope you people understand the entertainment value in "Trust me Z I get distance quandary, and I ponder both the size and distance of this and the possibility of other universe's daily. as well as quantum, gravitational and string theory, the limitations of communication due to time vs speed vs mass according to e=mc squared"

not to mention:

Time, speed, and mass are not necessarily relevant. Radioactive decay fluctuates in isotopes on this planet depending on the distance the ...more
By Holly 64.5 (44), southampton on Dec 27, 14 8:00 AM
Rubidium is an industry standard in frequency keeping from everything such as GPS to televisions. You don't have to be an astrophysicist to understand the mechanics of leptons, and the correlation between electron spin, angular momentum, and frequency. An isotope which undergoes beta decay has been shown to have a varying rate in more than one experiment, possibly due to lepton interaction with high frequency electromagnetic radiation, weaker gravity, or maybe even neutrinos which up until recently ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 27, 14 9:26 AM
Tim started off well but like so many he lost the battle between his own sense of civic mindfulness and the intoxication of being accepted into the circle of the elite ruling class. Unfortunately for him, he never made it into that Nancy Pelosi orbit despite sliding in lock step with her message and voting direction for the last several years of his lengthy term. It is a shame and I feel sorry for him. He should be retiring with a positive legacy but it is very mixed. The mere mention of Mr. ...more
By Holly 64.5 (44), southampton on Dec 27, 14 8:09 AM
"Just because it's not "sentient" or "intelligent", or capable of interstellar communication does not mean it's existence is any less valid."

Less valid for the sake of this disscusion...no, but still the mystery of its origin exsists...

The odds that life originated spontaneously on Earth out of
Primordial soup without any... shall we say assistance is still unsupported at best.

Why are you willing to except lightning or radiation as a catalyst for reactions that ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Dec 27, 14 9:54 AM
Intelligent design is pseudoscience. Is there something greater which put all this into motion? Chances are. Has it revealed itself? A resounding NO. Does anyone who has ever written about primitive mythology in all the generations humanity has walked this Earth have a clue? That's another no.

Cosmic rays are a catalyst for chemical reactions in the coldness of space. There are literally vast clouds of ethanol light years across. Organic molecules are present on comets. The gas giants ...more
Dec 27, 14 3:12 PM appended by Mr. Z
m_{\nu_e}^2 = -0.11 \pm 0.016 eV^2
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 27, 14 3:12 PM
I find it interesting Mr Z that even when you and Joe seem to be saying almost the same thing you focus on re saying it in a different way.

It seems you both enjoy talking about how the Domino's fall in a sequence. Yet you seem unwilling to even consider that a different force could have pushed the first one down.

Joe seems to have a better grasp of the things you are discussing than I do but it does seem apparent you are only willing to see it one way and if I am following this ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 27, 14 3:41 PM
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The universe is a chaotic, and thoroughly deadly environment. It's a shooting gallery of random interaction from the start, and stabilization took billions of years. The only "hand" involved to tip a domino was at it's inception when an object became so massive it, not for lack of a more complex word, exploded.

After that, the ensuing 13+ billion years have been the result of such a violent event subsiding in it's chaos.

There is no "invisible hand". The iron ring around this ...more
Dec 27, 14 6:34 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Without proper experiments I conclude nothing." ~ Johannes Kepler
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 27, 14 6:34 PM
or not
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Dec 28, 14 12:07 AM
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"Many races believe that the creation of the Universe involved some sort of God, though the Jatravartid people of Viltvodle VI believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being known as the Great Green Arkleseizure. The Jatravartids live in perpetual fear of the time they call the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief, somewhat similar to the Apocalypse. However, the Great Green Arkleseizure theory is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle VI and so, the Universe being ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 28, 14 12:29 AM
I actually have a bit of a challenge for Erin.

Leave the protective sheath which is this planet, and see how you fare. I can tell you that without angular momentum to simulate gravity, your bones will turn to chalk. You will place yourself in a shooting gallery of cosmic rays, and without a proper suit you will be freeze dried.

Abiotic synthesis of nucleotides and organic molecules occurs naturally when stellar bodies (such as comets) are bombarded by high energy particles. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Dec 29, 14 10:26 AM
Tim Bishop was a stellar public servant and a terrific representative. His critics complain that he voted with his party's House leadership and was accused of taking an illegal campaign contribution. For the first, what would you expect a loyal party member to do? For the second, what legislator has not been so accused? (And the investigation, let us remember, found no cause.)

The fact is (with the exception of the possible harm [never substantiated] to the piping plovers noted above), ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 27, 14 10:55 AM
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Yeah, because you agree with the left wing agenda. Apparently, the majority of us don't, and now Tim's gone. He lost me with the ACA, and his continued lockstep with Obama.
Bringing up governance via ideology, with you being such an outspoken Obama supporter, is laughable. Obama is nothing more than ideology, and look at the world today. Liberals have been screaming about having open minds since forever, yet have already submitted their verdicts on Mr. Zeldin before he even starts.
So... ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 27, 14 11:43 AM
Tim Bishop is gone, its time to get out you razor and take the bumper sticker off you Prius and stop whining about the good old days.

Congradulations Lee Zeldin !
Dec 27, 14 12:03 PM appended by They call me
In the final analysis, the most important difference between the two candidates is that one wants to destroy the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and deprive poorer American workers of access to health care. The compassionate people of my acquaintance in New York's First Congressional District just won't do that. We all look forward to Tim's reelection. " Jul 20, 14 10:52 AM
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 27, 14 12:03 PM
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or my personal favorite,

Not to worry, Erin, the ship of state is steaming vigorously ahead and we Liberals are enjoying the sun on the promenade deck, not to mention the view of extreme Right-Wingers as they vanish beneath the waves in our wake. (Although their despairing cries ARE distressing [momentarily.])

By highhatsize Aug 14, 14 9:18 AM
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Dec 27, 14 12:38 PM
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to Captn America:

"[E]motionally charged scare tactics"! Dear god, if you think that my comments are "emotionally charged", you must have the body temperature of a lizard. (Oh, wait, you're an extremist Right-Winger and we MAY be talking about spending YOUR money. Never mind.)

Since we are now in agreement that Lee Zeldin has said nothing about the federal programs for the 1st District that he would abort or eschew in the name of ideological fidelity, perhaps it is time for him ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 27, 14 1:23 PM
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Haaa, Hilarious

Achtung, Shtoom, hoch hut

good advice lol
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Dec 27, 14 1:35 PM
None of us or in agreement with anything you say, HHS
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Dec 27, 14 3:36 PM
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to double standard, They call me, Undocumented Democrat, Captn America & nazznazz:

To reiterate:

"The fact is (with the exception of the possible harm [never substantiated] to the piping plovers noted above), there isn't a single substantive criticism of Tim's performance in support of local interests. He delivered."

None of you complain about Tim's service to our district because his performance thereto was superlative. All you have done is parrot the usual complaints ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 27, 14 4:27 PM
so mr hat you defended jay sears, but call mr zelden mean ? your own words would seem to disqualify there value
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Dec 27, 14 4:37 PM
to Captn America:

Certainly, Captn. Any of those areas that you mentioned (supra) that consume federal funds are subject to Mr. Zeldin's ideological blue pencil as are, of course, ALL social welfare programs.

I invite you to visit the "district map and projects" section of Tim Bishop's website and consider how many of the hundreds of millions of dollars in funding that Tim succeeded in securing for our district would NOT have reached us had Lee Zeldin been our advocate. (Hurry, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 28, 14 1:34 AM
@Hat, talk to me in two or three years. That should be enough time for people to realize just how awful the ACA is. I bet half the people on the bronze plan have no idea about the deductibles. When it all hits the fan, remember those who forced it down our throats. I do thank Tim Bishop for the auto-responses when I voiced opposition to the ACA. I also tap danced into the voting booth and choose Lee Zeldin, who will be held accountable if he fails too.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 28, 14 8:09 AM
So you were okay with 24,000 a year for a family medical plan with the the do-nothing republicans ds.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 28, 14 8:31 AM
No, Mets. I was happy with the Healthy NY program that allowed me to hire people and offer them insurance at a much lower rate than the Unaffordable Care Act. That was an HSA with family deductibles at around 25% of the lowest price Bronze program on the exchange. That, and the family premiums being approx $3500 less annually than the Bronze. So your dig at Republicans means nothing to me. The loss of money and making hiring FT people more difficult is a direct result of Obama, Democrats, and Tim ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 28, 14 10:58 AM
Mf, you are still touting lower medical premiums. Mine went up, matter of fact, everyone I talked to paid more unless they took a drop in coverage. Where are you getting this special medical coverage? Please be specific. Maybe you can help us from drowning in insurance premiums.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 28, 14 11:54 AM
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This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Dec 28, 14 1:58 PM
What am I full of. Premiums before ACA were almost TWO GRAND a month. Premiums for this year were $1120. What don't you get. Call Warswick agency in Riverhead.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 28, 14 8:09 PM
You still hire full-time people because you NEED them. You pay a poor wage and New York state has to subsidize you. Typical republican of picking and choosing when government is good for you!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 28, 14 8:14 PM
Still waiting for the republican plan. That's right do-nothing is the only policy they have. Actually no-policy on anything.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 28, 14 8:18 PM
Good timing.
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Your dollars are wrong. You have no idea what and who I pay. You don't understand HSA's and the benefit of. Go start a business and get back to me. Put your liberal ideals to the test. Tell me how it works for you. Spoiler - it won't. And defending the ACA with a "subsidize" dig is very, very funny to me. You know why, right? Right? Liberals, man.... Theory over practice and the heck with results.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 28, 14 8:28 PM
Mf, you still haven't answered my question. Why so evasive? Stop following the Philathome handbook of posting and just answer the question. I don't know whether to doubt your claims as there is nothing to back it up.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 29, 14 1:09 PM
I was nice enough to tell you who to look up in previous post.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 29, 14 2:14 PM
Since Hillary's plan was rejected years and years ago, nothing had been done. Small business was having trouble paying premiums long before ACA.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 29, 14 2:18 PM
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Call Washwick agency in Riverhead, maybe they can help you.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 29, 14 2:18 PM
Nope. I already did the research. The deductibles are what they are. Thanks for playing.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 29, 14 3:02 PM
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This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 29, 14 3:21 PM
"Since Hillary's plan was rejected years and years ago, nothing had been done. Small business was having trouble paying premiums long before ACA."

+++

And still is. What's fixed? Where's the overwhelming benefit with the behemoth that is the ACA?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 29, 14 3:28 PM
In other words, sorry can't come up with the carrier or the plan. Got it.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 29, 14 5:34 PM
B F , Dint you here, you didnt build that
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Dec 29, 14 5:48 PM
Owned a business out here for thirty five years. Very successful business. Try not to stereotype. What do you think only republicans own a business. Very deep thinking ds. Again, Healthy New York is for lower income residents. What way are you not being subsidized?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 30, 14 8:15 AM
If you have (had) a percentage of employees making under ($40K?) a year, your business could qualify. What did that do? Help employees, assist with hiring, which results in more revenue that is taxed and less people on govt assistance. Sounds like a net gain to me. The ACA offers no real help. Ok the premiums are lower on the bronze level, but the bronze level is truly awful. Most people have no clue what they have. They'll find out very soon, and learn the pain of post tax dollar deductibles. So ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 30, 14 9:14 AM
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Yon can lead even a stupid horse to water. I tried to be nice.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 30, 14 1:57 PM
What Obama is doing is getting people out from the shadows. Those that did not pay anything or anything that they can afford for health care, will be penalized. More as each year goes by. If you are not paying less than before, than you didn't do any homework. Insurance companies have sharpened their pencils since ACA. Obamas immigration policy is to get people out from the shadows and paying taxes. In time, these penalties and people paying their fair share will reduce premiums. Still enjoying ...more
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Dec 30, 14 2:12 PM
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Your $900/ mo savings means you went from a very good policy that most can't afford, to one with very high deductibles. I don't think you are being honest, and really don't care all that much if you are or not. I don't know too many people that were carrying $2000/ mo premiums. Maybe you should look outside of Warswick. The back half of your post is based on theory, which is predictable, but not likely to occur. But hey, tow the line, walk the walk, march the march. It's doing us all a lot of good.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 30, 14 2:28 PM
Mf said(and liked by Phil)

"What Obama is doing is getting people out from the shadows. Those that did not pay anything or anything that they can afford for health care, will be penalized. More as each year goes by. If you are not paying less than before, than you didn't do any homework. Insurance companies have sharpened their pencils since ACA. Obamas immigration policy is to get people out from the shadows and paying taxes. In time, these penalties and people paying their fair share ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 30, 14 10:31 PM
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Exactly. MF is either omitting info in an effort to strengthen his argument, or just flat out lying. The only scenario where his claim makes sense (assuming it's a family plan) is if he went from a high end Oxford or similar policy with no deductibles, prescription, eye, and dental to a Bronze exchange plan that is loaded with deductibles, and not offering prescription etc...
So that would be comparing apples to raisins.
I understand support of one party over another. I don't understand ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 31, 14 9:36 AM
Phil and Mets just like he part about pulling people out of the shadows to pay more taxes
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 31, 14 11:57 AM
Because illegals have expressed an overwhelming desire to pay more taxes.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 31, 14 12:21 PM
How much are your premiums before and after ACA? Why would I lie about my premiums, if I was paying more than before, I'd be as peeved as the next guy. I watched my insurance premiums double during the Bush administration for my key employees. $2000 did not buy you a high end policy, my coverage is with Empire Blue Cross.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jan 1, 15 10:04 AM
I don't understand this comment. Your saying that illegals would rather stay in the shadows than get citizenship to not pay taxes and risk deportation. Every time they buy something they're paying taxes. Every time they pay rent, they are paying taxes. Now is the time to start paying income taxes.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Jan 1, 15 10:12 AM
well, there was that pesky record of running Southampton College into the ground by hiring his family and friends but who's counting . . .
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Dec 27, 14 5:35 PM
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HH- the fact that L'il Tim was a rubber stamp for the divisive policies of the Obama regime , more specifically the ACA was enough to send him packing. In this , he certainly did not represent his constituency.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 28, 14 8:25 AM
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to double standard & bigfresh:

Again, you both reference national concerns. When it came to serving his constituents' unique needs, however, Time Bishop was tops.

By contrast, as a doctrinaire Right-Wing ideologue, we can expect Lee Zeldin to subordinate the needs of local folks to the orthodox dictates of his creed.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 28, 14 10:14 AM
Wrong Hat. Follow the bouncing ball... The ACA is a dog that did not not reduce premiums, especially in relation to deductibles. Post tax deductibles, I might add. Tim supported it. To say it's only a National issue is just ridiculous as it has direct effects on your neighbors right here. Remember, all politics is local? Tim was our representative, and he supported it, and he's partly responsible for it. So hate away at Republicans all you want. You might be taken more seriously if the current ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 28, 14 11:11 AM
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Health INSURANCE will generate Amazon Forests of paperwork as every niggling widget, wiggle, and dance step is accounted for and allocated a fee. However, everyone in the INSURANCE industry will keep his job and doctors will still be guaranteed enormous incomes.

And why worry? Taxes will pay for everything. We may need a few more though." By highhatsize Jul 30, 09 9:25 PM
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 28, 14 2:34 PM
What disgusting un American anti capitalistic and arrogant view points
Dec 29, 14 5:53 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
why worry? Taxes will pay for everything. We may need a few more though
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Dec 29, 14 5:53 PM
HH- Constituents unique needs most certainly include health insurance! L'il Tim's vote for Obamacare hurt a lot of the citizens he was supposed to be representing, instead of doing what was right for us, he blindly followed the Democrat Party's agenda. All issues are local!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 28, 14 10:30 AM
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If there is a parade, I volunteer to carry Bishop on my shoulders." The reactionary Republicans on this forum have chosen to point fingers at Obama and threaten repeal of Universal Health when a Republican majority takes over in the House.
You dream. The Senate will remain Democratic. Universal Health is here to stay.

This thread reminds me of a football game where my side is winning by an enormous margin and the players just keep scoring more touchdowns

Thanks for the good ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 28, 14 2:35 PM
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And that sums it up. My side vs. your side instead of practical solutions. It's what we are offered, and the political hacks know all too many line up for, and worse, defend. Sad to say, America succeeds in spite of our inept govt. How long we survive is another conversation. These mid-terms were refreshing in that voters finally expressed discontent. I hope some of the new crop rise above the froth.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 28, 14 8:16 PM
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By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Dec 28, 14 3:11 PM
to Captn America:

Actually, Captn, I was thinking of unique local needs such as emergency relief following Superstorm Sandy which the House Republicans initially refused to authorize. Would Lee Zeldin, one wonders, have defied party discipline and voted FOR funding for his own constituents – or not?

By the way, you must have overlooked that fact that NO wrongdoing was found on Tim Bishop's part in the Semlear incident, or were you simply misleading readers again by falsely ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 29, 14 1:14 AM
to Captn America:

Do you have a reference for your assertion that Tim Bishop's ethics have been questioned in the past over his performance of favors? I am unaware of no such incidents." Aug 20, 12 2:34 PM

to dnice:

Actually, the argument is that our plan will cure the ills of social Darwinism (the Republican Plan); that Republican propaganda that duplicitously disparages the ACA will be exposed as ignorant ideological malice when it is fully implemented; and that Americans ...more
Dec 29, 14 2:27 AM appended by They call me
The majority SHOULD rule in this country, all the time, except in the case of Constitutionally enumerated individual rights. If the Republicans want to repeal the ACA when THEY are in the majority, so be it. We Liberals are perfectly at home with that concept." Nov 22, 13 1:57 AM
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 29, 14 2:27 AM
News Flash---BISHOP LOST ZELDIN WON SENATE HAS A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE GROWS MID TERMS REFLECT PUBLIC'S OPINION ON OBAMA REGIME DEMOKRATZ' PANTIES IN A KNOT
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 29, 14 7:42 AM
Bishop was named one of the most corrupt members of congress by an independent watchdog group BEFORE Plovergate for diverting campaign funds into is daughter's pockets .. .just sayin'
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Dec 29, 14 8:45 AM
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By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Dec 30, 14 8:21 AM
We are all going to be sorry that Tim is not still in Congress
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Dec 30, 14 9:29 AM
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to Captn America:

Yes, Captn, in January, 2014, a trio of Republican senators DID come up with a Republican national health care plan that, among other things, doesn't always cover pre-existing conditions and doesn't put a limit on out-of-pocket expenses (i.e.you can still go bankrupt) while eliminating attempts to control costs.

You can read a precis of it in the article "Republicans Unveil Their Obamacare Replacement" by Sam Baker in the National Journal (January 27, 2014), subtitled ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 30, 14 11:06 AM
stating the fact that under Obamacare a mom and pop business without employees can not belong to a business alliance even though they had for the last 20 years and have to purchase health insurance on the individual market gets red inked??!! The facts are the facts, not belonging to a business alliance has put quite a financial burden on my wife and myself, the platinum plan we have now has less coverage and the $1000 + pricetag is more than we had been paying. The icing on the cake is that we aren't ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 30, 14 3:23 PM
us as well

Just like they planned but hey you didn't build that
Dec 30, 14 5:37 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Like HHS says, Why worry? Taxes will pay for everything
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Dec 30, 14 5:37 PM
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The out of state non coverage will bankrupt some folks, that's a guarantee! Any of our resident Democrat Party defenders care to comment on this? Out of state is out of network!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 30, 14 5:52 PM
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GRUBER: Obamacare WON'T Be Affordable...

We'll Have To Deny Treatment...

87% of new users given federal aid...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 30, 14 5:55 PM
to Captn America:

The most fascinating feature of the Republican "Plan" is its proposal to DELIBERATELY INCREASE out-of-pocket costs. The Right-Wing, in its wisdom, thinks that we are utilizing healthcare frivolously because it doesn't hit our wallets hard enough.

One MIGHT be astounded by the hypocrisy of this position were it not for its origin. The Right-Wing has been wailing for the past two years about the increased financial burden that the ACA has imposed on average ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Dec 31, 14 6:40 AM
How bad was 2014 for MSNBC?

So bad, the left-wing cable news network lost the 2014 ratings war to CNN. Yes, CNN.

According to Deadline, MSNBC is hemorrhaging viewers, especially in the all-important news demo (viewers aged 25-54):

Through December 22, MSNBC lost 17% of its primetime news demo viewers, clocking a worst-since 2005.

For the 13th consecutive year, Fox News annihilated its left-wing counterparts at CNN and MSNBC. In total viewers, Fox beat MSNBC ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Dec 31, 14 1:35 PM
Still no feed back regarding the problem with Obamacare policies not covering out of state medical treatment. Hmmmm, hard to defend the indefensible.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Dec 31, 14 8:02 AM
You have hit on a major problem that is negatively impacting a tremendous amount of people. There are no plan that include out-of-network benefits for individuals seeking coverage in NY State. If you spend part of the time in FL and part in NY, for example, you must buy a policy in each state in order to be properly covered. Many people in SH are losing access to their doctors while in the midst of serious treatment because they are losing coverage with out-of-network benefits. Sorry to chime ...more
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Dec 31, 14 8:43 AM
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Really? That's nuts. I had a conversation with my father this week about reductions in Medicare coverage, and a mandatory prescription fee that he had to pay even though he has prescription coverage on his supplemental plan. He also noted that he had a capital gain when he sold his house last year, so Uncle Sam reduced my parent's SS by $400/mo. They are 77 years old and paid into that dog their entire working days. Nice.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 31, 14 9:43 AM
That is particularly NOT nice! Had your parents lost money on the sale of their home they would have been on their own. In our country, if you take all of the risk and lose, you lose alone...if you take a risk and make money, you share it with the fed. Sorry to hear it.
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Dec 31, 14 10:48 AM
The only thing truly indefensible it that it was written by industry lobbyists. We all know how objective lobbyists are...
Jan 1, 15 1:06 AM appended by Mr. Z
"In all, 1,750 corporations or other groups reported lobbying on health care reform legislation at some point during 2009." ~ Open Secrets
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 1, 15 1:06 AM
How is that different than any other law?
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Jan 1, 15 6:35 AM
Everything the government touches is ill-conceived

All is needed is Federal legislation passed that explicitly bans bailouts of state single payer systems when they fail.

It is very likely that once the premium subsidies are withdrawn in most states, the primary care, birth control, and other incidental health services that Obamacare mandates will also be withdrawn. A very likely outcome will be that health insurance premiums in those states that don't have Obamacare exchanges ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 31, 14 12:05 PM
Now that they have destroyed the health care that about 85% of the American public was happy with in favor of covering a few who weren't, they will trot out "single payer" as the holy grail...

Phil has never met a big government program or tax he didn't like and has been licking his chops just waiting for single payer for years...
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Dec 31, 14 12:12 PM
Yup. The bigger the Govt, the wider the smile. Where does the bread line start?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 31, 14 12:26 PM
“Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man how to fish, you ruin the system"
― Karl Marx
By They call me (2826), southampton on Dec 31, 14 1:05 PM
Where did you get that quote? Fox News?


"What is known as ‘Marxism’ in France is, indeed, an altogether peculiar product — so much so that Marx once said to Lafargue: ‘Ce qu’il y a de certain c’est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste.’ [If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist]

Engels, Letter to Eduard Bernstein (1882)
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 1, 15 12:54 AM
to 27 dan:

Your gleeful anticipation of the demise of healthcare for the poor depends entirely on the outcome of the latest challenge to the ACA in the Supreme Court. In fact, this most recent assault has only a remote chance of success. While psychopaths like Scalia and (dumb-de-dumb-dumb-dumb) Thomas will vote in favor, the other justices will reject the suit on actual constitutional grounds.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 1, 15 5:14 AM
"The poor" already had health care provided them, courtesy of the taxpayers , before Obamacare was rammed down our collective throats. Our choices have been limited, coverage reduced and premiums increased. The "affordable" plans have incredibly high deductibles and the low deductible plans are pushing 1K per month. Good luck if you travel out of NY, coverage stops at the state line. The only psychopaths are the ones defending this debacle.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 1, 15 8:34 AM
And the ACA accepted as a "fix" because what we had was broken. It's complete nonsense. All the ACA did was usher in a new bad way of doing things to replace the old bad way of doing things. Different doesn't mean better. Tim voted for it - Tim is gone.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 1, 15 10:20 AM
to Captn America:

Well, yes, Captn, there MAY have been twelve other Republican Health Care Plans if you include those written on the back of cocktail napkins. However, the Hatch/Burr/Coburn proposal is the only one that is more than a fatuous wishlist.

Moreover, I certainly don't expect you to "debate" the merits of any of them since such an exercise would simply expose their abandonment of the poor and their imposition of additional financial hardship on the middle class.

This ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 1, 15 10:06 AM
Tell ya what, Hat. Hire a plumber to fix the sink. The Republican plumber didn't fix it. It still leaks and you complain mightily. Blame that Republican plumber for the leak! He was awful!!! So you hired a Democrat to fix it. He told you that you need a new one, and it's going to be expensive, but it will be better. You agree. I mean, it sounds great, right? He installs it, and it still leaks the same as the other. Worse, now the leak is spreading and it's getting your neighbor's floors soaked too. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 1, 15 10:32 AM
Care to address my points and defend the ACA HH? Especially the issue of out of state coverage??!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 1, 15 11:49 AM
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Q: How much confidence do you have in The Republicans in Congress to make the right decisions for the country's future - a great deal of confidence, a good amount, just some or none at all?

Great deal/good amount: 19%
Some/none at all: 80%


Source: The Washington Post/ABC News
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 1, 15 10:55 PM
to bigfresh:

I know from personal experience that health insurance obtained from the insurance marketplace DOES afford out-of-state coverage to insureds since a relative of mine enjoys that benefit. I don't know WHY it should fail to do so in all cases but I don't see that limitation as being intrinsic to the law. It would seem that this is a defect that needs to be corrected. The ACA is flawed, mainly in its allowance of profiteering by the health care industry, but there are other ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 2, 15 6:18 AM
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The "free market" is an outright lie.

The system is rigged as long as lobbyists and corporate trollops write legislation.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 2, 15 4:48 PM
obamacare enrollees who received subsidies to help pay for coverage will soon have to reconcile how much they actually earned in 2014 with how much they estimated when they applied many months ago.

This will likely lead to some very unhappy Americans. Those who underestimated their income either will receive smaller tax refunds or will owe the IRS money.

Jan 2, 15 10:25 AM appended by joe hampton
“We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it”
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 2, 15 10:25 AM
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"The pole star of the extreme Right-Wing is meanness. To predict if it will approve or disapprove of any initiative one need merely consider what the answer would be to the question,“Will this cost me more money than any benefit that I receive from it?" If the answer is in the affirmative, the Right-Wing will oppose the proposal, no matter who gets hurt, or killed. "

Quite possibly the largest pile of horse excrement ever posted. People aren't pushing back against the ACA because ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 2, 15 10:36 AM
to Captn:

Unassailable truth, Captn.

"A trio of Senate Republicans on Monday introduced their plan to replace Obamacare with a new system that is built largely around making individuals responsible for a higher portion of their health care costs. ... In essence, the plan attempts to lower health care costs by making people shoulder a greater share of those costs—or 'sensitizing' consumers to the actual cost of health care, as Senate aides put it in a meeting with reporters ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 2, 15 1:32 PM
to HHS... Poppy Cock

Small Government and the 10th Amendment is the answer !
Jan 2, 15 2:14 PM appended by joe hampton
I truely belive HHS has drank the Kool Aid...In my opinion far left progressives like Phil on the other hand are driven by differant motives...I belive they just loves the following .... Feds Looking for Company to Run 'National Data Warehouse' for Obamacare, Medicare 8:04 AM, JAN 2, 2015 • BY JERYL BIER The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is looking for vendors to run its "National Data Warehouse," a database for "capturing, aggregating, and analyzing information
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 2, 15 2:14 PM
No, Hat. You are arguing intent over implementation and result. That's the #1 play in the Liberal handbook. Not buying that, thanks.
If the goal of the ACA was to do the greatest good for greatest amount of people, then it has failed and will continue to get worse. If you don't believe me, ask Mr. Gruber.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 2, 15 4:16 PM
"(woefully inadequate) private health insurance" HH , that's what we get under Obamacare!!!!! You gripe about Medicaid eligibility and the fact that those who don't qualify have to suffer with the same bovine excrement that those who pay their own way have! It's ok for the productive members of society but not good enough for the freestuffers! Did I read your post correctly? The hits just keep on coming.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 2, 15 3:57 PM
We've had woefully inadequate private insurance for decades. Just because a catastrophic plan worked for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone else. Especially those with a disability who need regular care.

Profits before people, as always...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 2, 15 4:41 PM
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Just to repeat westhamptonboy's comment above, because it's worth repeating:

"We are all going to be sorry that Tim is not still in Congress."

First, we're losing one of the best constituent service operations in the business -- that's one of those things you don't miss until you need it yourself. Second, seniority counts in the House, regardless of whether the member is in the majority or the minority. Lose seniority and the district loses a lot. My guess is that John Boehner ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jan 2, 15 5:31 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

“You might try other sources to balance the analysis hhs. Most see it as a vast improvement to what ails Obamacare.”
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That's simply not true, Captn. The analyses of the Republican Plan that I have read (some of which I have cited, supra) find that it strips health insurance of the very protections for which one purchases it and which Obamacare mandates, ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 3, 15 5:09 AM
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If Phil endorsed High Hats assertions, they must have merit.

You should just give up now and go watch the game Cap
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 3, 15 12:42 PM
Gruber believes that the leftists are the smart ones and the rest of us are stupid ones, so the concept of "The end justifies the means" is the leftists just doing what they think is the best for the unwashed masses, the poor pathetic little people progressives hate free speech, because they hate freedom. What leftists really want is CONTROL.
any excuse to expand government control of every aspect of life. What leftists want is for the US to be like Cuba, everybody "equal'.
Equal meaning ...more
Jan 3, 15 2:17 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Progressives are like a cancer sucking the life out of America
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 3, 15 2:17 PM
you openly support abortion every chance you get but expect us to believe somehow you have compassion for the elderly

you just like big government in everyones business, well we tried that again for the last 8 years and what a nightmare.

no thanks
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jan 3, 15 2:46 PM
She has come to terms with it. She has stated she is trying to get others to recognize her horrible"choice" a choice she said she let her family talk her into before others make what she considers to be the biggest mistake of her life.

Very brave thing to do Erin, Your first hand testimony is the most important kind thats why Phil fears you so much. I commend you for you bravery in speaking about it.

If you have saved one life and just one other from being forced into a similar ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 3, 15 4:14 PM
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The so called right you speak of seems to be the right to murder, where you take away any opportunity from an Innocent to experience life.

Heartless
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 3, 15 4:36 PM
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Self serving creul viewpoint , IMO
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jan 3, 15 4:50 PM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 3, 15 5:50 PM
How so?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 4, 15 2:48 PM
Reply of a man with no answer.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 4, 15 3:03 PM
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Not really an answer Phil. Nice try though.
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 4, 15 8:39 AM
to Captn America:

You have chosen to counter the repeated examples of the harm that the Republican Plan will actually cause to specific individuals with plagiarized excerpts from the theoretical happy-talk of plan proponents. Dare one suggest that your strategy in being so dramatically UNresponsive is that the evidence of the damage that this plan will so inflict is irrefutable? Rather than make a feckless effort at countering the truth, you have retreated to academic posturing.

If ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 4, 15 8:43 AM
Red ink for stating the FACT that young black males are much more likely to be killed by another young black male than by a police officer??!!!!!!! Really?
Sorry if the truth offends some here, but facts are crucial in this discussion.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 4, 15 9:41 AM
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By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 4, 15 11:33 AM
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By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 4, 15 11:36 AM
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Relax, I just Visited Huff Post, Everyone there seems Happy, Loves obama, and is getting enough Free stuff, What could go wrong... obama says he is going to make everything better all by himself in the last year !

I suspect the only reason some people here are upset, is because they are the ones who will have to pay for all of it!
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 4, 15 12:52 PM
to Captn America:

Your most recent plagiarized response contradicts the findings of other, IDENTIFIED analysts and, once again, does not address the specific circumstances (which have been described) in which the Republican Plan harms insureds. You continue to post the vague happy-talk promises of Republican propagandists which have already been shown to be false. Your behavior epitomizes the evasiveness of Republican Plan proponents.

To reiterate the conclusion of Joshua Holland ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 4, 15 4:12 PM
because the free stuffers got a taste of the redistribution
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 4, 15 9:20 PM
Phil said,

" What threat is Cuba and why should we continue the embargo on them?

The health care bill was based on the republican plan that was the response to Hillary Clintons attempt at health reform.The republicans supported it until Obama and the democrats brought it to fruition.They don't care if the country has a plan to cover all of its citizens.
The right loves vulture capitalism- that's why everyone who joins cappies chorus runs a business"

By philathome ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 4, 15 9:56 PM
blahaaaa

Answer my question, or are you afraid?
You want me to answer your questions, but like any other taker you won't answer mine. You want a free ride.
You're a taker.

By philathome (9399), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 2:56 PM

I'm one of the we.
Why won't you answer phil's questions?

By the reaper (32), north sea on Mar 2, 14 3:22 PM

Was that quote I posted racist?

Are you going to answer it or are you afraid of what it will ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 5, 15 7:50 PM
What is that a selfie

Blahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 5, 15 7:53 PM
"Redistribution"


Wage stagnation puts the squeeze on ordinary workers
David Lazarus, Los Angeles Times 11:31 p.m. EST January 4, 2015

Laurie Chisum works as a manager for a small office-equipment company in Orange County, California. She puts in about 30 hours a week on the job and spends much of her time at home caring for her mother, who is afflicted with Alzheimer’s disease.

She’s not complaining — she’s thankful to have a steady paycheck. ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 5, 15 1:01 AM
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Care to offer a thoughts of your own Mr Z? How would you deal with the alleged "problem" of stagnant wages and CEO compensation , legally and constitutionally of course?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 5, 15 6:06 AM
Your right I only care about one thing right now, getting home...

Signing off for a few days... Hold down the fort boys... taking 27 East to 95 South...

Life is good....





By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 5, 15 8:19 PM
Enjoy it Joe.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 5, 15 8:51 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 6, 15 8:13 AM
How would you "fix" the issue of wage stagnation and income disparity , legally of course. I'm sure you have some ideas since you have brought up the topic ad nauseum.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 6, 15 8:46 AM
By philathome "Obviously none of you have any problem with blacks getting killed by police, then being absolved of any
personal responsibility".



LOUISIANA STATE SENAOR ELBERT GUILLORY: I never used the terms Sharpton and King in the same sentence or in the same paragraph. I believe that those of us who have some gray hair, as Sharpton does, have a responsibility to move the community forward. The community. The American community, to move us forward in a nondivisive and ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 5, 15 8:51 PM
to joe hampton:

Quote:

"
"Relax, I just Visited Huff Post, Everyone there seems Happy, Loves obama, and is getting enough Free stuff, What could go wrong... obama says he is going to make everything better all by himself in the last year !

I suspect the only reason some people here are upset, is because they are the ones who will have to pay for all of it!"
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A startling juxtaposition ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 6, 15 11:42 AM
He started his vacation maybe he just felt like being silly
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 6, 15 12:56 PM
This latest incarnation of Obama is like watching "Django Unchained." He is a supreme egotist and we will be well served to be rid of him and the progressive, liberal agenda
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 6, 15 10:42 PM
HMMMMMMM, no actual ideas from you Mr Z? I am surprised.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 6, 15 4:59 PM
A smarmy, pointless comment reminiscent of trolling?

Nope, I'd NEVER expect that from you...
Jan 7, 15 11:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
Two very good implementations as far as a solution would be the restoration of our progressive tax code and incentivized deductions as well as a 30:1 cap on CEO pay. That means you cannot be paid more than thirty times what you pay your lowest wage employee.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 6, 15 11:51 PM
So a solution to the "problem" of wage inequality is to raise taxes on the rich and (illegally) limit the pay of CEOs. How would confiscating money from the productive members of society and limiting the compensation for CEOs translate to more money in the pocket for the working poor? You claim that trickle down does not work, surely the inverse should apply as well. On the face of it , it seems like more class envy, punish the rich for the crime of being rich.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 7, 15 6:29 AM
There's nothing illegal about it. That level of control over corporations by the public was a founding principle of this country. Corporations were not given limited charter, or any civic rights whatsoever by the founders of this nation.

If you like the old Federalist ways of doing business, go back to Old Europe.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 7:58 AM
30:1 cap on CEO pay In my opinion you are out of your mind. you could tax millionaires 100 % and it wont put a dent in the Debt.

17 VAT tax on luxury items and do away with the IRS

Stop living your life like a occupy communist and grow the economy
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 7, 15 8:06 AM
Your ignorance on the subject is staggering in the information age. It's not "communist" or "Occupy" mentality.


Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 8:18 AM
The key phrases are "was" and "the public". Those days are past, the public has no say in CEO compensation, neither does the government. Let me re-phrase my initial question, what would do , that is legal TODAY to end the "problem" of income inequality? You mentioned raising taxes on the wealthiest among us, OK, where does that money go? Barring re-distribution to the poor, how does that help? Same for CEO pay, how does reducing their pay help income inequality? Surely the evil corporations would ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 7, 15 8:18 AM
When the middle class does well, the country does well. Reducing top end compensation does lessen inequality. It also leaves more working capital for research, development, insurance costs, and if there's anything left over, maybe a raise for the people you can't be a CEO without.

Yes or no question.

Has 95% of the income gains since the "Great Recession" gone to less than 10% of the population?
Jan 7, 15 8:29 AM appended by Mr. Z
Frankly, your focus on "was" will leave a few with power, and damn the sovereignty of this nation's people. You all love to talk about the "Founders" and the Constitution, but when it comes down to it, you don't believe in any of it, just what's convenient for you. Reminds me of "Good Book" cherry picking...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 8:29 AM
Finally have a bit of time to sit down. BTW, your polemics are pathetic. As far as what can be done "today" under current law, the answer is not much. You pass laws to create beneficial change for the Commonwealth, and repeal them to undo the harm bad law causes.

We need more repeal of bad law, than we do passage of good law. What you see as "non-starters" are the due to the century of corruption at the highest level of democracy. They are due to the law being written for special interests, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 10:12 PM
DEBT UP $7,500,000,000,000 UNDER OBAMA...
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 6, 15 8:43 PM
Headline:

ECONOMIC NUCLEAR GRADE MELTDOWNS CAN CAUSE FALLOUT FOR UPWARDS OF A DECADE

Headline:

Federal Spending at it's Lowest Rate of Growth in Over a Decade


Stop blaming the current president for the National Debt. It's pure poppycock. If you want to blame anything, how about two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts, and last but not least "trickle down economics", a.k.a. "Horse**** economics".

Ask Sam Brownback how well "trickle down" works...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 6, 15 11:56 PM
DEBT UP $7,500,000,000,000 UNDER OBAMA...

Spin it anyway you like

By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 7, 15 1:02 AM
Bush signs $700 billion financial bailout bill

President promises quick but ‘deliberative’ action to rescue Wall Street

By M. Alex Johnson Reporter
msnbc.com
updated 10/3/2008 4:33:28 PM ET

President Bush signed into law Friday a historic $700 billion bailout of the financial services industry, promising to move swiftly to use his sweeping new authority to unlock frozen credit markets to get the economy moving again.

“It’s complicated, ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 7:59 AM
Thanks, I needed the laugh. Should have put it in quotes for a little extra punch ("Democratic").

More like Oligarchical autocratic...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 9:48 PM
The numbers are in, and not much of a shocker here.
Bottom 10 least educated states:

10) Oklahoma
Percentage of Residents with Bachelor's Degree: 16%
Percentage of Residents with Graduate/Professional Degree: 7.8%
Percentage of Residents with Bachelor's or Graduate/Professional Degree: 23.8%

9) Tennessee
Percentage of Residents with Bachelor's Degree: 15.3%
Percentage of Residents with Graduate/Professional Degree: 8.3%
Percentage of Residents with Bachelor's ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 12:38 AM


Debt as of Jan 1, 2015: $18,141,444,135,563.30.

FY2014 - $483 billion deficit ($789 billion for the calendar year)
2013 - $901 billion budget deficit
2012 - $1.1 trillion budget deficit
2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit
2008 - $455 billion budget deficit
2007 - $162 billion budget deficit
2006 - $248.2 billion budget deficit
2005 - $319 billion budget deficit
2004 ...more
Jan 7, 15 1:12 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Obama's deficits are STILL much larger than anything from the previous administration. And Mr Z still try to blame Bush and the Republicans!
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 7, 15 1:12 AM
Bush owns that 2008 deficit for very good reason. He also owns the fallout. If you had bothered to read up on your economic history, you would note the long term effects of major economic upheavals. They don't simply just get wished away. Ever major economic downturn in this nation's history has taken about seven years on average for recovery.

The damage was done. Any deficit between 2008 and at least 2016 will be due to recover from economic crisis. And don't forget, "We" still owe ...more
Jan 7, 15 8:12 AM appended by Mr. Z
And please do tell us how much the interest has added up to since it was 13 billion...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 8:12 AM
ITS ALL BUSHES FAULT !


LOL, GOOD LORD
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 7, 15 8:34 AM
No, it's the fault of crappy policy since the Reagan Administration.

You remember, the administration which tripled the national debt, implemented sweeping deregulation, and brought back all the fraud we had been missing for so long...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 8:37 AM
12 KILLED AT PARIS MAGAZINE
THAT RAN MUHAMMED CARTOONS
TWEETED ISIS JOKE HOUR BEFORE ATTACK
VIDEO: 'ALLAHU AKBAR!'
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 7, 15 8:27 PM
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to Undocumented Democrat:

Quote:

"Obama's deficits are STILL much larger than anything from the previous administration. And Mr Z still try to blame Bush and the Republicans!"
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Not only Mr. Z, but any rational being whose perception of reality is not distorted by the prism of ideology.

The deficits of President Obama's initial years were produced by the necessity of spending borrowed money to prevent the complete ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 7, 15 9:28 AM
to High Hat:

Right back to the same old tired talking points,

It is Obama together the most progressive Governor of the most progressive state that owns this debt... you are a self-aggrandizing sophisticate that believes the only reason Stalin's USSR failed in the end is because you weren't running things. I feel you are being less than honest, like the NY City Mayor who at least admits he is a communist.

It was the Clinton Administration and a young Andrew Cuomo with ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 7, 15 11:28 AM
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Pure poppycock.

The "bubble" existed in the commercial market as well where the CRA is not applied. Any mortgages which involved the CRA were less than 10% of failed mortgages, and that is not disputable. Fannie and Freddie had very little skin in the meltdown. What was a VERY big cause was uncapitalized insurance. If you are underwriting car or house insurance, your policies must be capitalized. BUT if you were writing contracts on derivatives like AIG, you didn't need one red cent ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 7, 15 9:58 PM
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Any blame for the fools that took out mortgages that they had no chance of paying back? No one held a gun to the head of anyone forcing them to take out an interest only loan, or one handing over 125% of assessed value on the house, or the ultimate act of stupidity , an adjustable rate mortgage?! sure there were some shady deals made, but if the loans were re-paid the bubble would have leaked out slowly, not burst.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 8, 15 8:00 AM
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No, not true at all. Not one bit.

Greenspan raised the target interest rate from 1%, to 4.5% between June of 2004 and January of 2006. Without that, at least 2/3 of the defaults would never have occurred.

That increase made mortgage payments double, triple, and in some cases even quadruple. The icing on the cake was all the lying sacks of **** who promised refinancing which never materialized.

Regardless of the conduct of any consumer, lax regulations and even more ...more
Jan 8, 15 11:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
FYI: In case you underestimate the hypnotic power of "The Maestro", in February 2004 Greenspan delivered a speech in which he opined that people should be taking out adjustable-rate mortgages (ARMs). The Fed funds rate was at an all-time-low of 1% when he did so. Some time later, Greenspan started hiking interest rates a bit here and a bit there, which made the rate 5.25% about two years later. Thus, he built the bomb, and lit the fuse which was the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis as ARMs that reset at much higher interest rates compared to what borrowers paid during the first few years of the mortgage. They were manageable to begin with, but Greenspan saw to it that they wouldn't be for long.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 8, 15 11:05 PM
Without the fools who signed on the dotted line, none of the mortgages would have existed,ergo , no problems.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jan 9, 15 7:46 AM
Without the system which created them, there would have been no opportunity to "sign on the dotted line", or to have exotic financial instruments based on derivatives which created casino gambling on the American Dream.

Of all people, you should know one must pull a weed out by the roots...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 9, 15 11:28 PM
That's one of the most idiotic segues I've heard in a long time.

Frankly, the Fuller Brush Man had far more integrity and ethics than a lot of underwriters. And, we do have rules against fraud, however fraud to a certain extent has been legalized. Stop being a sucker for the blame game and nail the system to the wall proper.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jan 11, 15 11:04 AM
to joe hampton:

I do not disagree with you that the bailout of financial institutions and the absolution of preeminent Wall Street criminals was, necessarily, in the best interests of the country. Nor do I disagree that it might have been better to let all the national banks fail and to reform the financial markets in the wake of that disaster. While most Americans (including YOU) would have suffered grievously as a result, the outcome, if it resulted in laws restricting the predation ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 7, 15 1:15 PM
New York mayor's secret past comes to light
De Blasio's unreported history stirring racial protests

Largely unreported in the news coverage of the recent race-related demonstrations is that New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has a history of working with extremist activist groups to stir protests.

Further, de Blasio has a largely unreported history with the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN.

ACORN’s renamed group, the New ...more
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 8, 15 1:44 PM
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to Captn America:

Quote:

”And while you continue to interject the KKK into the discussion, ...”
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Truly, your mind has slipped its last tether to reality. I made no reference to the KKK. Indeed, one is hard put to conceive of any relevance that the Krusty Klown Kar might have (other than its status as the extreme Right-Wing's favored mode of transportation.)

It is hardly surprising ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 8, 15 9:49 AM
Bill Maher: liberals have a kid glove approach to radical Islam and the Islamic State also known as ISIS arguing that there is a real “war on women” being waged abroad.

“ Obama keeps on insisting that ISIS is not Islamic. Well, maybe they don’t practice the Muslim faith the same way he does,” the HBO host said on his show Friday night. “Not only does the Muslim world have something in common with ISIS, it has too much in common with ISIS.”

Mr. ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 8, 15 1:18 PM
he is not sure how to answer that
Jan 8, 15 6:06 PM appended by Erin 27 E
islam is still promoting the best of what the 7th century had to offer. any attempt to defend a religion that treats it's women like dogs, is just further evidence of a true "war on women."
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jan 8, 15 6:06 PM
You were right he does not have a clue how to answer that
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jan 8, 15 7:27 PM
Ministry of Truth...

When Islamic terrorists expressly tell their victims why they’re being attacked, our mainstream media will do anything to cover it up. They’ll change the subject, they’ll blame the victims… they’ll even stealth-edit their own copy.

Here’s the latest example of the New York Times censoring itself to avoid offending Muslims after an act of Islamic terror. This morning, Ben K at Ace of Spades quoted an NYT story by Liz Alderman ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 9, 15 8:42 AM
Nice find Joe, Funny I did not see that reported anywhere yet today,

How will the NY Slimes defend such an outrage,

Oh they will probably just not answer for it, seems to be allot of that going around lately
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 9, 15 1:50 PM
American Thinker
January 9, 2015
NY Times removes reference to forced Islam conversion from article (UPDATED)
By Rick Moran

Curious edit of an article already published by the New York Times. Jim Treacher at the Daily Caller explains:

Here’s the latest example of the New York Times censoring itself to avoid offending Muslims after an act of Islamic terror. NYT story by Liz Alderman titled “Survivors Retrace a Scene of Horror at Charlie Hebdo.” Take ...more
Jan 9, 15 4:21 PM appended by 27dan
Even more curious, Vinson told the exact same story about the shooter warning her to convert to Islam to Radio France Internationale.
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 9, 15 4:21 PM
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It would seem the Islamic terrorists hit the wrong place... at least the French had the courage to point out the truth, unlike the lying cowards at th NYT

We are paying a price today for what started in our schools 20 years ago... where everyone had to get a trophy. Our kids are afraid to make a stand,They are mostly interested in self gratification.

We elected Bill Clinton who made sure, before he left office that this nation was no longer feared or respected. Than we elect one ...more
By joe hampton (3461), southampton on Jan 9, 15 4:36 PM
I'm glad to see a lot of people out there are aware of the attack on America values by this so called president, We are on the precipice of losing the freedom of speech, and Obama and company are directly responsible,

Obama said in his book "I will side with the Muslims should the political winds shift" Well I guess they shifted

Pretty soon even our own VILLAGE IDIOT will have figured out Dear Leader is a Muslim first and our President second.



By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 9, 15 5:19 PM
shut him up again, nice

giggle
Jan 10, 15 6:37 PM appended by Erin 27 E
phil said "I choose not to answer every ignorant poster or post on this site" (funny how that is true since the election) have a wonderful day
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jan 9, 15 6:37 PM
to Captn America:

Your feet really don't touch the ground, anymore, do they? "Extreme Right-Winger" isn't a euphemism for "Racist", its a synonym for "Mean".

Your critical reading skills(?) have failed you again. The point I was making was that the Republicans did NOT follow through on any of their meretricious pledges to make "sacrifices".

As for the effect of the Stimulus on the economy, google "New estimates from the Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) find that the ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 8, 15 3:50 PM
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please blacks between the ages of 18 and 40 have never been so unemployed
By Erin 27 E (1281), southampton on Jan 8, 15 6:07 PM
to Captn America:

You are doing it again, Captn. Redefining words to mean what you think that they SHOULD mean. And, once again, this habit has rendered you incomprehensible. While I have no doubt that many, many “extreme Right-Wingers” are “racists” and some of them are members of the “KKK”, and some are "domestic terrorists", those terms are interchangeable in your mind alone. In actuality, the only definitive quality of ALL extreme Right-Wingers ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jan 9, 15 5:06 AM
< ----- Lets try a new direction
By Undocumented Democrat (2065), southampton on Jan 9, 15 1:21 PM
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The fact that the Democrats and the establishment GOP hates him should be enough for anyone to take a closer look at Mr. Paul.
Jan 9, 15 2:20 PM appended by They call me
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 09 Jan 2015 at 07:23:04 PM GMT is: $ 1 8 , 1 0 2 , 8 9 5 , 7 6 6 , 8 5 0 . 7 6
By They call me (2826), southampton on Jan 9, 15 2:20 PM