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Nov 25, 2014 11:52 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Obama's Action On Immigration Draws Mixed Reaction

Nov 25, 2014 1:09 PM

President Barack Obama rolled out a plan last week to bypass Congress and reform parts of U.S. immigration policy through executive order, a move that prompted an emotional response from parties on both sides of the issue.

The actions, which were taken in lieu of legislation, will be phased in during the next three to six months and have paved the way for previously undocumented family members of lawful residents to remain in the United States legally, while also expanding deferred action protection to more immigrants who arrived here as minors.

Opponents of the executive orders criticized Mr. Obama for taking a unilateral approach to immigration reform, some calling it an overreach and others simply saying it’s not in line with the desires of the majority of U.S. citizens.

Supporters, on the other hand, admit to having mixed feelings about the actions.

“The Latino community is happy—something is better than nothing, so there’s hope, but there’s no small amount of uncertainty as to how much this immigration reform will help,” said Sister Mary Beth Moore, head of Centro Corazón de Maria, a nonprofit organization helping Hispanic immigrants that operates out of St. Rosalie’s Roman Catholic Church in Hampton Bays. “There is a feeling of gratitude, anticipation, anxiety and disappointment.”

Because of the nature of executive orders, the steps taken by Mr. Obama could be wiped away just as quickly by his successor two years from now, which is something the immigrant community is very conscious of, Ms. Moore said, adding that she is still hopeful that the next Congress will pass comprehensive immigration reform legislation.

In the meantime, Ms. Moore said she and her organization plan on helping the local immigrant community navigate the new systems as they go into effect. Right now, she’s advising immigrants to gather up as much documentation as possible, but also to be wary of unknown people offering unsolicited “help.”

“We’re admonishing them to think and to act with good sense and not to be carried away by offers,” she said. “Especially when those offers include paying money down.”

The president’s plan is projected to give protection to nearly five million undocumented immigrants, according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service, although that still leaves millions of undocumented or unauthorized immigrants “in the shadows,” to use the parlance of Mr. Obama’s speech.

Jeffrey Garro, a 28-year-old Hampton Bays resident, calls himself a “Dreamer,” the term that has been ascribed to the 1.2 million young people eligible for temporary protection against deportation thanks to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program implemented in 2012. Mr. Garro said while he feels the president’s actions are a step in the right direction, he cannot fully support them and he worries they may create more problems than solutions.

Mr. Garro’s parents brought him and his two brothers to Hampton Bays nearly 21 years ago, leaving their native Costa Rica by plane with travel visas in hand. Although the temporary visas have long since expired, the family has remained in Hampton Bays, with Mr. Garro’s mother and father working as a housekeeper and painter, respectively, to put their three children through college.

When DACA went into affect in 2012, Mr. Garro was able to obtain a two-year work authorization from the federal government, because he obtained a high school diploma and earned degrees from Suffolk County Community College and St. Francis College. However, he does not have legal standing in the U.S., and because of this his parents are not able to apply for legal status of their own. Mr. Garro feels this is one of the shortcomings of the president’s action.

“My parents have been here for almost 21 years—they’ve been trying to be law-abiding citizens and raise a family, yet they have no protection,” he said. “There are certain gaping holes that were left open despite the president’s actions.”

One of Mr. Obama’s executive orders expands DACA work authorizations to three years instead of two years and allows people born before June 15, 1981, the previous cut-off, to be eligible for DACA protection. It also makes eligible young people who arrived as late as 2010 instead of the current 2007 date. These changes will go into effect 90 days after Mr. Obama’s speech.

Mr. Garro said more needs to be done for these young people. The term “Dreamer” is derived from a 13-year-old bill known as the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM, Act that has long been seen as the standard for giving young people brought to this country as children a path to citizenship. Mr. Garro said giving Dreamers a chance at true legal status should be Congress’s top priority.

“We can provide a real benefit moving forward for this country,” he said. “Our future is a little clearer in the sense that we have a lot of taxable years ahead of us. We have a lot of opportunities to help this country if given the chance.”

For those immigrants who do qualify for legal status, including those whose children, parents or spouses are legal U.S. residents, the action will give them more security, which Long Island Farm Bureau Executive Director Joseph Gergela said he hopes will bolster the workforce in the Suffolk County Agriculture industry.

Mr. Gergela said there are roughly between 5,000 and 7,000 immigrant and migrant farm workers on Long Island, most from Central and South America, with some others from Eastern Europe and other countries such as Pakistan and India. He said he wold like to see more programs for legally bringing farm workers into the U.S.

“Let’s get Congress to act with the president and change something comprehensively,” he said. “The reality is that we have people here without proper credentials. Let’s get them out of the shadows, let’s get them above board. If some of them become citizens, that’s a good thing.”

With many foreign workers also occupying jobs in hospitality and tourism industries, Mr. Gergela said the immigrant workforce is tremendously important to Long Island, adding that restrictions on immigration hurt his industry by limiting the available workforce. “It’s artificially driven the cost of labor tremendously,” he said. “We’re price takers—we have to compete on an everyday world market where the price is determined by the buyers not the sellers, so we’re on the short end of that stick.”

The president’s decision to act alone has set up a battle for the incoming 114th Congress before its newest members have even taken the oath of office, with Republicans claiming he violated his Constitutional authority. Mr. Obama’s response to his Congressional critics: “pass a bill.”

Newly elected U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin said he anticipates the issue coming up during his first term in office and he hopes to pass a bill with support from both sides and prove that Washington can be functional, though he said he wouldn’t rule out voting for another government shutdown if it would “help the country on the other side.”

“The problem with this president is when he says, ‘Pass the bill,’ he means pass the bill he wants,” Mr. Zeldin said. “His idea of compromise is getting exactly what he wants.”

Mr. Zeldin’s predecessor, outgoing U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, said that he believes the best way to address immigration is through legislation, but he supports the president’s decision to take executive action in face of a Republican-led House of Representatives that refused to vote on a bipartisan reform bill passed by the Senate in 2013.

Mr. Bishop said he feels confident immigrants will take advantage of the programs being set up by Mr. Obama despite the fickle nature of executive orders, pointing to the success of DACA.

“I don’t see that as an issue—almost 600,000 Dreamers have taken advantage of DACA, and that was an executive order,” he said. “People will take advantage of it, and they will, I’m sure, hope there will be legislation in the near future.”

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Please check out the SNL 'Schoolhouse Rock' skit suggesting Obama's immigration executive action is unconstitutional
Too bad that we have to turn to comedians for the truth.
By loading... (588), quiogue on Nov 25, 14 4:13 PM
As Obama called for peace in Ferguson, he opened up with, "We are a Nation of laws." I half expected him to say, "Well, maybe not border laws, but, like other laws and stuff."
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 25, 14 5:50 PM
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The bipartisan Senate Immigration Reform Bill passed over 500 days ago has been blocked from appearing on House floor by extremists who pretend that they are willing to work with the other party, but are in fact unwilling. Hypocrites. They are hurting our country.
By oystercatcher (126), southampton on Nov 26, 14 9:48 AM
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I think Mr. Zeldin put it best:

“The problem with this president is when he says, ‘Pass the bill,’ he means pass the bill he wants,” Mr. Zeldin said. “His idea of compromise is getting exactly what he wants.”
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Nov 26, 14 10:16 AM
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While Millions of Americans search desperately for a job, Emperor Obama has become an Imperialist himself, urged on by the fanatical La Raza zealots, who are demanding open borders and we now have a far worse situation--a divided nation. Americans should neither Trust the Liberal-Democrats or even the Republican career politicians, as both parties have an agenda that is governed by the corporate special interests that buy their loyalty. Doesn’t the US public understand that we are brought ...more
By DavidFrancis (1), on Nov 27, 14 2:03 PM
"...charlatans and cranks."

~ Greg Mankiw
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 29, 14 8:53 AM
My father is an immigrant. He came here, was sponsored, finished his classes, and took the oath of citizenship.

Anyone who doesn't do the work slaps every person like him in the face. I'm privileged he did decide to come here, but let's not forget that "We" have a VERY long way to go if this country is to live up to it's founding principles. The list of deficiencies is long, and starting with infrastructure and environmental planning is paramount. A grade of D- will get you through ...more
Nov 28, 14 1:04 AM appended by Mr. Z
“It's simply a national acknowledgement that in any kind of priority, the needs of human beings must come first. Poverty is here and now. Hunger is here and now. Racial tension is here and now. Pollution is here and now. These are the things that scream for a response. And if we don't listen to that scream - and if we don't respond to it - we may well wind up sitting amidst our own rubble, looking for the truck that hit us - or the bomb that pulverized us. Get the license number of whatever it was that destroyed the dream. And I think we will find that the vehicle was registered in our own name." ~ Rod Serling, from a Commencement Address at the University of Southern California; March 17, 1970
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 28, 14 1:04 AM
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The only people who are in the "Twilight Zone" are the ones who still believe that "trickle down", or "horse and sparrow" economics works despite over a century of evidence to the contrary.

Horse ****.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 28, 14 11:34 PM
The last five paragraphs it the story prove just the problem we have had for the last 6 years. Mr. Zeldin expresses the negative attitude before he is even sworn in as duly elected Rep. Not even a thought of compromise from him.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 28, 14 1:10 PM
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The Senate Bill is not acceptable to the House Republicans, so they won't bring it to the floor. GOOD!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Nov 29, 14 8:32 AM
Like I already said,

If we really want to end this "problem", we need to close the border.

Then we can let the law abiding people that are already here that have jobs,business homes and children born in the US have work permits and stay while they get on the back off the line to become citizens.

There is you compromise. Bet it wont be good enough for Phil ? because like obama he wants instant votes for 2016
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 29, 14 2:26 PM
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Lee Zeldin , Republican, beat L'il Tim Bishop, Demokrat rubber stamp for Obama. He has no reason to compromise , the Republicans were elected to get this great nation back on track by undoing Obamacare to start, after that it's time to get rid of the rest of Hussein's disasters . Thank God there has been a Republican majority in the House for the last two years to slow down His attempt to "re make" the country.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Nov 28, 14 3:36 PM
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Yeah, good thing Republicans have been around. They've excelled at debauching our currency...

M2: 11,563.5 Billions of Dollars

Weekly, Ending Monday, Seasonally Adjusted, M2, Updated: 2014-11-28 3:50 PM CST
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 29, 14 5:27 PM
Schumer has admitted candidly that the Tea Party was right after all. Specifically, Schumer admitted that pushing for Obamacare in 2009 was not a good idea. He also said that the 2009 stimulus "was not the bright spot it could have been," partly because it was too "wide."
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Nov 29, 14 2:22 PM
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Queue the Earth shattering kaboom of Republican craniums:

25 November 2014

We write as scholars and teachers of immigration law who have reviewed the executive actions announced by the President on November 20, 2014. It is our considered view that the expansion of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and establishment of the Deferred Action for Parental Accountability (DAPA) programs are within the legal authority of the executive branch of the government of the United ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 29, 14 5:35 PM
Seems the first family is influenced by the Kardashians

This weeks attack on Sasha and Malia for failing to show what was deemed to be sufficient respect for their father’s annual pardoning of a Thanksgiving turkey.

Elizabeth Lauten, former new media political director for the Republican National Committee, wrote an open letter to the two girls, attacking their facial expressions and clothing choices.

“Dear Sasha and Malia,” wrote Lauten, “I get ...more
By They call me (2793), southampton on Nov 30, 14 12:28 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Academia's primary mission is to ensure and promote their relevance. More often than not, they have none ... "
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Indeed, why have higher education at all when all opinions, however ignorant, are of equal "relevance" (according to your recently expressed opinion?)

While the extreme Right-Wing's touchstone is its own outré notion of “common sense” ...more
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Nov 29, 14 8:33 PM
CEOs Ready To Revolt Against Obamacare...

PAPER: Dark days ahead...

GALLUP: Record Number Americans Foregoing Medical Care Over Costs... One in three Americans has put off seeking medical treatment in 2014 due to high costs, according to Gallup the highest percentage since Gallup began asking the question in 2001.

Thirty-three percent of Americans have delayed medical treatment for themselves or their families because of the costs they’d have to pay, according ...more
Nov 29, 14 11:26 PM appended by 27dan
ObamaCare is a fantastic example of how abject failure can be portrayed as success, provided the costs are completely ignored. In this case, people who complain about their personal costs, rising insurance premiums, lost access to doctors are actively muzzled. It’s infuriating, but also undeniably amusing, to watch ObamaCare apologists claim that if you just ignore everyone injured by the program, and count only those who seem pleased with it, it looks like it’s working.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 29, 14 11:26 PM
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Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," President Barack Obama's former Harvard Law School professor Charles J. Ogletree, Jr. agreed with the president's greatest critics Dr. Ben Carson that race relations in America have gotten worst during the presidency of Barack Obama.
When asked Dr. Carson said, "I agree that things have definitely deteriorated. We look at a situation like Ferguson and people say, that's causing more racial division. the fact of the matter is, Ferguson is a manifestation of ...more
Nov 30, 14 12:42 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
The fact of the matter is, Ferguson is a manifestation of the racial division promoted the last few years."
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Nov 30, 14 12:42 PM
The divide is no different. The only difference is that it's out in the open for all to see. Maybe you should take the time to read Griffin's "Black Like Me". The powderkeg has ALWAYS been there.

To blame the President is just ignorant and idiotic.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 30, 14 1:16 PM
Would you not agree the president is supposed to be a uniter not a divider.

Just look at the people this president has surrounded himself with, a disproportionate group of divisive woman and race baiting blacks. the only white males he tolerates are sheep like Hagel and not even him for very long.

This guy is getting what he deserves, like his white hating minister said "his chickens are coming home to roost"
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Nov 30, 14 1:34 PM
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You're pinning a lot on one man, kind of like waiting for Jesus Christ. I'm sure that he'll decide to come back, probably when he can play the church organ again. The other 350 million or so citizens in this country have their own freewill regardless of leadership's conduct. Nobody is perfect, not even the self styled analysts. The race issue has persisted for over three centuries, and this man being President changes none of it. It did however, bring more than a few of the bigoted lunatic fringe ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 30, 14 1:46 PM
It is important to realize not all blacks and women are like this. it is hard in areas like NY or Chicago where the well is so poisoned by radical academia,

There are places in this country where family still matters and American values are still strong... this is the America a lot of us grew up in, unfortunately our neighborhoods have been corrupted by 80 years of progressive guerrilla warfare indoctrination of our very children in the schools,regulation after regulation and union corruption.
there ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Nov 30, 14 1:56 PM
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Eric Holder for starts
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Nov 30, 14 2:02 PM
he has been called an Arab, a communist , a socialist and fascist, a Muslim supporter......


Don't forget ineffective, arrogant and unfit to lead. Oh yeah, those are actually accurate.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 14 7:18 PM
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Notice where I never used the word uppity Phil, you did.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 1, 14 12:12 AM
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Quite delusional indeed
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 1, 14 12:14 AM
Well, He's not an Arab, as for the rest ----------
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 1, 14 9:11 AM
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He is arrogant. Misconstrue all you want, it is not a racist charge.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 1, 14 12:23 PM
"Your perception of him is based on a racial stereotype."

If I called him black, which he is, would that be racist?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 6:11 PM
"But you promote racism just the same."

Do you realize how full of it you really are? That is about as baseless an accusation as can be made. One of your problems is that you are always trying to disparage those who disagree with your philosophies, no pun intended, by pulling the race card.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 10:18 PM
More nonsense Phil. I am not going to condemn another poster because you claim racism, or anything for that matter, because you are not an authority, just a bad loser. All you have ever looked to do is incite.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 10:55 PM
More nonsense Phil. I am not going to condemn another poster because you claim racism. Reminds me of the story about the boy that cried wolf.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 11:10 PM
whatever, we weathered the storm and another generation has seen what big government does to a society, that long 6 year nightmare is over. only the likes of philip and hhs and mets man are still grumbling.

now that we have set this boat back on coarse lets get back to whats important family and friends and a Merry christmas season to all
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Nov 30, 14 3:14 PM
Your Right Erin

It's almost that Cheese Burger in Paradise time of the year... lets just enjoy the Christmas Season... bask in victory for a while and not let weasels spoil the mood.

Life is Good!
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Nov 30, 14 5:01 PM
I don't recall such gloating in 2012.

Went back and read some posts. Definitely didn't see it.

Ah well...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Nov 30, 14 5:51 PM
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By loading... (588), quiogue on Nov 30, 14 8:31 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 14 10:55 PM
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The reason the democrat "war on women" diatribe did not work was because it was a lie (mouthed by shameless demagogues). there was no war on women and people knew that. some things are just so preposterous, the pandering so obvious, that even those who might be sympathetic don't buy it. want to scare women into voting dem? tell them reps are anti woman. want to scare blacks into voting dem, tell them reps are anti black, and so on. what a sad, sorry, corrupt excuse for a group of human beings is ...more
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Dec 1, 14 10:33 AM
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You need to educate yourself, as always. Just think equal pay. Women legislating their own bodies. Women with no glass ceilings in the catholic church(remember conservatives, a country based on christian values). These are not republican values. As far as blacks are concerned the old white conservative men in this country are as far right as the KKK.
By Mets fan (1486), Southampton on Dec 1, 14 2:25 PM
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By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Dec 1, 14 9:47 PM
Mets fan that is not a rational argument.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 1, 14 10:01 PM
How many countries have had women leaders in the top leadership position of their nation in the last century?

Dwell on that, while you dwell on the fact we haven't.
Dec 2, 14 1:26 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, just for reference it was Republican Paul Ryan who sponsored a bill giving a rapist the right to sue his victim, and force a woman to carry the child to a full term. I don't know about you, but that seems pretty darn foul to me...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 1:26 AM
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The right's very transparent way of making it tougher to vote is based on the right's view that poor, ignorant blacks would not do what was necessary to be able to vote. Based on the hype that there are so many phantom voters. We only had 30% vote in New York, where were all the phantom voters? Less black voters, less democrats elected, less free stuff given out. This is the very crux of republicans biased and stereotypical view of the world. Just watch fox news if you don't believe me. But based ...more
By Mets fan (1486), Southampton on Dec 2, 14 11:56 AM
For that matter, pick and choose what parts of the scripture you want to believe, or conveniently leave out. It's OK, you can sell your daughter into slavery. The "Good Book" says so.

The regular meeting of the "Ignorant Tight*** Club"...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 4:32 PM
True or false
The USA has border laws.
The immigrants who crossed the border broke the law.
The President did not enforce our border laws.
The President had the house and senate, but chose to focus his energies elsewhere.
The President is playing politics with immigration, and selling out Americans, and all of those who are going through the process legally.
The President has no intention of signing a Republican immigration bill.

Don't care what side of the aisle ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 1, 14 8:49 AM
I don't give a rats behind about the Republican Party, Democratic Party, or your next Birthday party. I look at issues and and don't defend or convict based on party affiliation. In short, some of us think for ourselves and don't rely on others to tell us that green is red and up is down.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 1, 14 8:11 PM
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to double standard:

Quote:

"True or false
The USA has border laws ..."
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TRUE.

Everything subsequent is -

FALSE.
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 2, 14 3:25 AM
Then you are either profoundly dishonest, or blinded by party politics. Perhaps both.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 6:56 AM
Ask Ronnie Reagen, he provided amnesty for millions who crossed the border.
By Mets fan (1486), Southampton on Dec 2, 14 7:41 AM
And if I was old enough to vote back then I'd give him a smack down too. The errors of past administrations do not excuse those of the current administration. Sadly, we've had 6 years of excusing Obama because he's not George Bush. At what point do you drop that weak argument and hold this man accountable for his actions, or lack of?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 8:47 AM
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He's deported more than any other president.
By Mets fan (1486), Southampton on Dec 2, 14 11:58 AM
Here's a headline for ya:
Brown complies with officer - lives to tell about it.
Here's another:
Brown doesn't rob store - goes home and has dinner.
How about this one:
People accept grand jury's decision based on eye witness accounts - talk to their kids about being responsible and respectful.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 1, 14 8:16 PM
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If Brown complied with the officer, which is uhhhhh smart, he'd still be alive, Phil. Not a hard concept to grasp.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 6:59 AM
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If the officer did not engage while outnumbered 2 to 1, and allegedly physically outmatched after he called for backup, there's a decent chance someone would not be dead. He knew, or should have known not to enter into a confrontation. This is demonstrated by his call for aid.

Sorry, but the officer was negligent, and possibly culpable for this young man's death. Had they at least vetted a jury and tried him for involuntary manslaughter the public backlash may have been very different. ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 4:18 PM
How do you know what the prosecutors told the Grand Jury? Capt didn't "minimize" anything two different cases. If there is a video, you wont be able to make up your facts.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 9:46 PM
I've read them and laugh every time you repeat one of your out and out lies. "half a football field" please!
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 10:47 PM
So by that reasoning you claim that he shot him from half a football field?
Its a real shame that someone with attention to detail like you didn't present the case.
Ridiculous.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 11:00 PM
When I moved south of the Mason Dixon Line after living and raising our children in Southampton I was shocked to see and hear just how the white folks thought and treated the black Americans. I had heard seen the signs of colored fountains and such in 1952, but did not expect to see them still in 1991. And still in 2014!! You folks ranting here in these posts are just not facing facts. If you believe in the things Dr. Carson said in his writings then you obviously want to believe the hypocrisy ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Dec 1, 14 8:27 PM
Wow summertime I don't know what part of the south you moved to, please tell us. I went to college in the deep south in the mid 70's, 50 miles west of Atlanta right on the border of Georgia and Alabama. The School I went to was 20% black and never once saw what you are talking about. In fact I saw more harmony between blacks and whites than I did up north.
By fish sticks (53), hampton bays on Dec 1, 14 8:42 PM
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We first moved to New Bern NC that's in the lowllands I heard those natives say things cruel uncalled for in polite society, about their hired help, which of course were black people. In Southampton we had, have, quite some black people who are smart and nice well mannered people; some from the Hillcrest area and Halsey Ave/David Whites Lane area. Now they are being bought out and the village is getting only crude money grabbing low life's.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Dec 2, 14 9:08 AM
Phil is it okay to grab a cops gun? Is it okay to take things that don't belong to you? Maybe Michael Browns parents should take some responsibility for their lack of parenting, and supervision. I know the white man made him do it.
By chief1 (2786), southampton on Dec 1, 14 8:54 PM
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Didn't mean to hit like. Question for you Phil. Cops draw their guns all the time. If a cop pulls you over and for some reason draws his gun, would you try to wrestle it away from him? Are you saying that that is okay?
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 1, 14 9:43 PM
A source, other than your mind, for the store owner to deny there was a robbery? And if you provide one, is there an slimmest of chances that he is saying that so his store doesn't get burned down?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Dec 1, 14 10:25 PM
Phil doesn't understand the concepts of personal responsibility, respect, consequence. It's always someone else's fault, and it's always a grand conspiracy. There isn't a piece of hype or propaganda that he doesn't chew to the core. Sadly, he's not alone, and I fear the wave of garbage will land on all of our heads sooner than later.
Speaking directly to the topic, Obama sold us out. The next step probably being a push for a $15 min wage. Don't speak English? Uneducated? Unskilled? Great.... ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 7:16 AM
In real dollars with proper economic adjustment, the minimum wage could be worth more than that. If you're paid less than fifteen, you're underpaid no matter what you do in our fiat currency economy. 11.5 trillion in M2, and rising.

Word has it that GM plant workers earned the equivalent of roughly $35/hr in in today's dollars back in the 60's. The average plant worker these days makes $24/hr in today's dollars.

The "paid what you're worth" myth is alive, and the horse is kicking ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 4:25 PM
If I had to pay people $24/hr to pack boxes, I'd be out of business real fast. Not all businesses are the same. Remember too, a reset of $15 min also resets (or should reset) the compensation of the rest of your employees. So Joe has been here 4 years and makes $16.50, and Joan walks in and starts at $15. How's that fair to Joe? Now he wants to make $21. All sounds good and fair, right? Yup, until the lights go out and we take our rightful places on the unemployment line.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 4:44 PM
Shortsighted. The problem you specify would not exist if proper wage adjustments were made in increments over time.

As it stands, they were not. Now, we are in the pickle you describe. As the old saying goes, "The oldest sins cast the longest shadows."
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 4:54 PM
Right. So the arbitrary $15/hr reset is political garbage and not based on real world models. Hey, let's promise a higher minimum wage!!! Hey, let's squeeze the job market even more and force employees to become robotic production machines. Better... let's just get production machines!!!
Everything sounds so great when it comes from the people who know the least about it, and direct it towards the people who are the most desperate.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 5:51 PM
It's not "political garbage", it's the numbers and the change in pecuniary value over time which was not addressed. A hard reset can solve many issues, but not this one. The "free market" has not adjusted properly to reflect the increase in fiat currency, and nor have wages for the "poor and middle class". The myth that people are paid what they're worth in this day and age is pure bull****.

If we don't make changes, and the value of the middle class dollar remains stagnant or in decline ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 8:00 PM
Yes it sounds fair. However, if I gave you the keys to my business and told you to keep it alive with, say, 25% immediate increases in wages, you'd come back to me in a week with the white flag. I'm not alone either. Giving people raises is awesome. Making a difference is awesome. Going out of business, not so awesome. So for every Walmart that might be able to afford a reset, there are 1000 small businesses that can't. Truth, I have no answer for it. The ACA sure didn't help.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 8:23 PM
Read your last line again... No, paying for the mistakes of others is not fair, but here we are. What do we do? Better question... What will work?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 8:27 PM
In very simplistic terms, we raise the wage too quickly and kill the torque which is the bottom end of our economic engine. Or, we reign in the horsepower of the top end.

Either way, no one is happy. But with the latter, less people will be unhappy.

Too much money has been printed, and wealth has not trickled down. We are due for a correction. The question is exactly what form it will take...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 11:06 PM
"Wilson had the gun drawn before Brown tried to grab it"
So if that were true (and coming from you I doubt it), why would ANYONE grab a loaded weapon from a cop?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Dec 3, 14 12:13 AM
So being a black man gives you the right to try and grab a police officers gun? Is that what you are saying?
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 3, 14 7:35 AM
Z - I don't disagree at all about the concentration of wealth. It's unhealthy and unsustainable. What for will a correction take? It could be peaceful and multi-pronged, ie. higher taxes for the wealthy (and I don't mean middle class wealthy) reductions in spending, reductions in entitlement abuses (Yes, there are many) and healthcare insurance that doesn't choke the heck out of small businesses are all good starts.
Or it could be really ugly, ie. revolution, marches, violence, and chaos.
Which ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 3, 14 8:23 AM
The most stable we ever were was during progressive taxation. We built awesome infrastructure, sent men to the moon, and leapt forward in areas of technology barley conceived of prior.

Economic data consistently proves that disparity and poor economic performance result when not only is a progressive income tax not implemented, but also when capital gains taxes are reduced. The latter is a major factor. Every time horse and sparrow, or "trickle down" economics has been implemented the ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 3, 14 4:58 PM
So which Politician speaks to you? Who is the person/people that you could support?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 3, 14 5:53 PM
Not many. They all pretty much pander to the middle class, but turn their backs when it comes down to sit or s***, and the majority are just full of ****. Elizabeth Warren is one, and Bernie Sanders is always behind the middle class. However, the latter will have people screaming socialist like it's a dirty word without realizing just how much socialism is in their lives which they depend upon on a daily basis. Any who aren't full of it which have garnered your notice?

In the last forty ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 3, 14 11:32 PM
I'm not passionate about anyone with Presidential aspirations. Rand Paul speaks to me at times, but sometimes not. Hillary is a political chameleon and not worthy of my trust. I had enough of the Bush family. I think Paul Ryan is smart, but not strong enough to break through the Repub party wall. In short, I'm not optimistic about anything more than fresh paint over cracked walls. In a perfect world we'd eliminate the primary system and have a stronger field of independents. In a perfect world. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 4, 14 8:05 AM
Paul Ryan is not that bright, and a lot of the legislation he's sponsored is downright vulgar on many levels. My favorite moment was when Tom Morello of "Rage Against the Machine" absolutely destroyed him for being a "fan", when he represents everything "Rage" is against.

Frankly, he's a jack***.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 4, 14 10:56 PM
Take a loo at Jim Webb
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 14 1:24 PM
Do you actually believe all the bovine excrement that you spew here on a daily basis Phil? Seems as if you are making ridiculous statements to get a reaction from the adults in the room, kinda like the kids you say you work with.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 2, 14 7:13 AM
If it came from the liberal pie, he eats it. Liberals are so angry and snarky. I'd be ok with that if they weren't so bloody wrong most of the time.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 2, 14 7:21 AM
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Your boy Barry Soetoro ahs aided and abetted the criminals coming into the country illegally, both before and after the fact. The liberals will applaud this ad nauseum . Down the road, the Latinos will see that the Demokrat Party takes them for granted and is taxing the lifeblood out of them and will end up being staunch Republicans. Hard working, family values, church going people are the antithesis of a good Demokrat.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 2, 14 8:37 AM
I am living proof
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 2, 14 9:27 AM
Sure. Good "church going" GOP people who attempt to force their religious beliefs on others in a secular democratic republic.

Go smoke another one.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 2, 14 4:11 PM
I am legal my circumstances that brought me here are honorable I was not granted citizenship immediately and I showed up for everything I was supposed to learned to speak English, payed taxes, started a business, and was very proud to become an American citizen.

I will never forget the government control I lived in before and how obama seems to crave.

God bless America
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 2, 14 9:31 PM
Phil, very sad, and a little scary, that you take the time to look up old posts and then copy and paste. Obsess much?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 2, 14 11:31 PM
Shining a spotlight on hypocrites is neither sad nor scary, except for the hypocrites.
By VOS (1230), WHB on Dec 2, 14 11:38 PM
Birds of a feather VOS.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 3, 14 1:53 PM
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Why were these posts red inked?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 14 3:24 PM
no one could possible understand my situation unless I told you and I cant so stop trying to figure it out , Trust me you would shut up about it fast.lets just say I was offered the chance to stay I did not crawl under a fence.
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 3, 14 1:37 AM
There was nothing raciest about what I said, First I was correcting the record Butts was not Hispanic as was suggest by others, and the men I saw that morning all looked to black to me.... so I thought it not right that others were blaming the Spanish who seemed to have nothing to do with it.

Don't you want the record to reflect the truth or are you one of those hands up don't shoot story tellers

Both statistically and in my experience Spanish are very hard workers... but some ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 3, 14 9:34 PM
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That place has dragged H B a little further west month by month, and the owner should be ashamed of what he turned our town diner into
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 3, 14 10:21 PM
As for this latest incident in N Y you might be interested to know Phil,

I do not side with the police, It was excessive force and the action most certainty did not fit the minor infraction of selling a few cigarettes that Bill de Blasio could not collect his ransom.... I mean tax on .

The cop should be dealt with and possible face charges, right is right and wrong is wrong skin color does not have a thing to do with it.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 4, 14 1:27 AM
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By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 4, 14 10:17 PM
I see the Race War being drummed up by the MSM and the left as merely another distraction from the inevitable battle that is slowly brewing: Makers vs Takers.
Dec 4, 14 3:15 AM appended by loading...
...Takers of every stripe from welfare queens to grubers
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 4, 14 3:15 AM
There are takers of every stripe from the bottom percentile, to the top percentile. Either corporate or plain old welfare, it matters not. There are those who benefit from government largesse from the bottom to the top.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 4, 14 5:16 PM
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Ultimately, those who broker our government's sale and those who buy it.

K Street trollops, and their pimps, and their johns.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 5, 14 11:26 PM
Then stop electing Democrats, or Republicans. All parties involved are culpable. None of them as patriotic Americans should engage in such behavior.

Oh, wait. This country isn't smart enough to do the former yet...

Trollops = Lobbysists
Pimps = corporates/wealthy donors
johns = congresspeople
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 6, 14 6:03 PM
Corporations created borers during the Civil War. Corporations gave rise to the lobbying. Corporations desecrated the Fourteenth Amendment. Corporations had no place in American Government beforehand.

Corporations created, and perpetuated this culture via the "law", and this "culture" has become severely entrenched. They accomplished it in the courts, and then legislation followed on both sides of the issue. TR's anti-trust campaign didn't arise out of nothing. Since the inception ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 7, 14 7:31 AM
"If Woody had gone right to the police, this would never have happened."
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 7, 14 2:30 PM
You didn't mention the Makers, who also run the gamut from the person flipping burgers to the wily entrepreneur to the successful business owner, they all pay for the unscrupulous gains enjoyed by the Takers. We all know it is happening, and my point is that sooner or later it will come to a head. And when it does, it will be ugly. When I see someone with a 'handicap' placard hanging from their mirror running to get out of the rain, I know it's coming. And, as usual, this conflict will be split ...more
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 4, 14 10:29 PM
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"A disproportionate percentage of Takers are Democrat, with millions just added to the rolls."

In terms of numbers of individuals, yes, but terms of dollars I would guess far more goes to the Republican and corporate side.
By bird (824), Southampton on Dec 5, 14 12:15 PM
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True. for now...but not for long
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 5, 14 9:23 PM
Illinois Passes Historic Measure To Fight Money In Politics

"Illinois has become the third state in the nation to call for a constitutional convention to amend campaign finance law to overturn the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 4, 14 10:52 PM
Like a broken record
Dec 5, 14 8:57 AM appended by 27dan
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling Citizens United Citizens United Citizens United
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 5, 14 8:57 AM
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By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 5, 14 8:02 AM
HMMMM, Phil calls everyone not toeing the Demokrat line a racist, pointing that out and explaining that is racist behavior itself that's worthy of red ink?! Really?! PC run amok----again.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 5, 14 3:13 PM
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More "I told you" posts from Phil. Feelings of inadequacy abound.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 14 6:31 PM
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You did not even attempt to address my retort for you calling me a raciest. Not that I lost any sleep over it
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 5, 14 10:08 PM
Posting it three times doesn't make it any more intelligent, or original.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 14 8:52 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 14 2:03 PM
Still trying to learn the art of copy and paste for my ideas.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 6, 14 4:40 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 5, 14 8:55 PM
If the one you have is adequate there is no need, ammo just cost more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 5, 14 10:12 PM
Good read for morning coffee, now the you have your homework high hat you have a nice weekend

Cannons are firing in every direction as the Democratic Party, dazed and disoriented, begins digging itself out of the shambles of six years of Barack Obama.

The fireworks began even before Election Day with preemptive back-stabbing of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, by fellow Democrats. This was followed after the electoral debacle by bitter ...more
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 5, 14 10:23 PM
An answer to the "problem" is simple, if arrested, do not resist the officer. THE END
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 7, 14 7:51 AM
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You remember when all the black leaders were upset about the Knockout game where black people were sneaking up on pregnant women and older men and just punching the daylights out of them? Me neither.

You remember when everyone was upset about the feds bringing an entire army battalion to strong arm a white guy in montana whose cows were eating the wrong grass? Nope, me either.
By Molly64 (15), Southampton on Dec 9, 14 6:06 AM
Phil: Statistically young black men commit much more crime than their white counterparts, hence the disproportionate incarceration rates! It's not the 'system' it's the criminals.
Molly: How about the white riots after OJ was found not guilty??!!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 9, 14 7:52 AM
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

~ Frederick Douglass
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 9, 14 4:33 PM
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By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 9, 14 9:57 PM
Apparently, someone knows binary.

"I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."

I guarantee you that Daniel O'Connell had much to do with his oratory regarding oppression. He was also active with the Women's Suffrage movement. He ran for Vice President alongside Victoria Woodhull. The problem is your apparent bias allows you to foolishly disregard the word "ANY". This was not solely about slavery, it was about oppression in any form. It was a lesson, ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 11, 14 12:07 AM
What is blatantly obvious is you have never read the whole speech. Had you done so, you would not post the garbage above. And, knowing binary leads to understanding other basic programming like hexadecimal and others which all the technology you use every day is based on. Frankly, I doubt you would know the difference between a p-n junction and Petticoat Junction.

I said nothing. What I wrote was that Douglass was present in Ireland during Black '47. He was on a speaking tour. He ...more
Dec 11, 14 11:20 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oppression is oppression, no matter the degree. Your attempt at polemics is wholly, and unadulteratedly pathetic.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 11, 14 11:20 PM
The first sentence of the paragraph which begins his closing remarks:

"My friends, you will observe that I have taken a wide range, and you think it is about time that I should answer the special objection to this celebration."

Obtuse; not just a wide angle...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 11, 14 11:24 PM
Pardon me for expecting a well informed citizenry. Instead, I find a kneejerk society which hauls off at a moment's notice without research, or reflection.

Still looking to earn that big enough nugget, and find a nice quiet, rural corner of North America to live off the grid in...
Dec 13, 14 11:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
As far as your appendment, you need to understand the difference between focus, and purpose. The focus of the speech is slavery, true enough. But, the purpose of the speech is oppression in so many of it's forms. The quote is part of the generalization, not the focus. A population capable of critical thought and comprehension would grasp that from self education. Unfortunately, I've come to realize over the decades "We" don't live in that kind of world.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 12, 14 11:28 PM
"A Georgia SWAT team shot and killed an armed homeowner during a September 24 drug raid sparked by the word of a self-confessed meth addict and burglar who had robbed the property the previous day. No drugs were found. David Hooks, 59, becomes the 34th person to die in US domestic drug law enforcement operations so far this year."

According to WMAZ TV 13, Laurens County sheriff’s deputies with the drug task force and special response team (SWAT team) conducted a no-knock search on ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 14, 14 9:16 AM
I think I may have found the issue. You may not understand the meaning of words, or their etymology. Carefully note "2".


tyrant
[tahy-ruh nt] noun

1. a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly.
2. any person in a position of authority who exercises power oppressively or despotically.
3. a tyrannical or compulsory influence.
4. an absolute ruler, especially one in ancient Greece or Sicily.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 14, 14 9:23 AM
And I'm so sure the "law" will be right there next to you while you are being assaulted or even killed by a psychopath with a badge giving law enforcement a bad name. The law means nothing to a dead body. Word up? More like wake up.


Texas cop Tasers 76-year-old man with expired inspection
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 14, 14 2:50 PM
Money, justice, or retribution cannot resurrect the dead.

A tyrant is a tyrant, it matters not if one possesses a throne or a badge.
Dec 14, 14 5:25 PM appended by Mr. Z
Retired NYPD detective believes he was racially profiled during attack by fellow officers
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 14, 14 5:25 PM
Just for good measure, here's "the law" at work.

"Black Police Officer Howard Morgan Was Shot 28 Times By Four White Police Officers. Yet, Somehow He’s Guilty."

By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 14, 14 6:02 PM
Care to comment on the post above Z?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 9, 14 7:40 PM
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By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 9, 14 9:50 PM
Just a blue another jacket with a yellow liner
Dec 10, 14 9:01 AM appended by joe hampton
just another blue jacket with a yellow liner...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 10, 14 9:01 AM
?
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 10, 14 9:13 PM
He thinks Democrats are cowards on the inside.

Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress are about to throw taxpayers under the bus to support their masters...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 11, 14 1:59 AM
@ BF.

For you, no.

For posterity, yes.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 13, 14 12:25 AM
And this relates to a thug who attacked a police officer and got shot and killed for it how?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 10, 14 6:23 AM
'BARRY ONE' TO LENA DUNHAM: 'WHY DIDN'T YOU CLEAR MY NAME? WHY DID YOU WAIT?'

Its clear why she waited.

It was not just a lie about "Barry".
It was a lie "period".
The whole story.
It was nothing but a gratuitous smear against conservatives in general, a group that Dunham obviously holds hatred for, which she figured was impossible to disprove.

She was wrong.
And this shows how big a monster she actually is.

Every women who is ACTUALLY raped in ...more
Dec 10, 14 8:56 PM appended by They call me
As for Cosby, What makes his acts any worse than Bill Clinton's ? Just sayin
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 10, 14 8:56 PM
Its because the left could not wait to pile on Cosby, ever since he said Black Americans only have themselves to thank for there failures or success.



Lena who ?
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 10, 14 9:07 PM
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Exactly on both accounts
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 10, 14 9:12 PM
Lena Dunham: Why I Chose To Speak Out

The ways I’ve been attacked for sharing my story show how far we have to go when discussing sexual assault.
posted on Dec. 9, 2014, at 6:56 p.m.

It has been almost a decade since I was sexually assaulted. It took me a long time to fully acknowledge what had happened and even longer to discuss it publicly, in the form of an essay in my book Not That Kind of Girl. When I finally decided to share my story, it had ambiguities and gray ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 12, 14 6:31 AM
Lena Dunham who
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 13, 14 6:31 PM
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Support for gun rights is higher than it’s been in decades, according to the latest data from the Pew Research Center that signals a stunning turnaround in how Americans feel about the issue just two years after the Newtown school shooting.

Pew found that 52 percent of Americans say Second Amendment rights are more important than gun control in these times of goverment trying to control everthing.



Dec 11, 14 10:47 AM appended by 27dan
I don't know, Just maybe it has something to do with Eric Holders response to Ferguson
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 11, 14 10:47 AM
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By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 11, 14 12:43 PM
NASA photo Forty-two years ago today, former U.S. Navy pilot Eugene Cernan and enterprising geologist Harrison “Jack” Schmitt climbed out of their Apollo 17 command module, America, and into their lunar module, Challenger, which they piloted to a spectacular valley on the edge of the Sea of Serenity.

We've become a small people, no thought of the future, no spirit of adventure and discovery. Much too worried about the cost of things, not their value.

I guess it cost ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 11, 14 7:35 PM
BREAKING NEWS :

Backers: Romney more open to 2016 run ...... developing ......
Dec 11, 14 10:13 PM appended by They call me
Dr. Zira: What will he find out there, doctor? Dr. Zaius: His destiny.
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 11, 14 10:13 PM
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By philathome
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 13, 14 1:56 PM
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S

"To Republican leaders in the House, I would ask this: You say you're against bailouts on Wall Street. I've heard you say it again and again for five years. So why in the world are you spending your time and your energy fighting for a provision written by Citigroup lobbyists that would increase the chance of future bailouts.

Why in the last minute as you head out the door and a spending bill must be passed are you making it a priority to do Wall Street's bidding.

Who ...more
Dec 12, 14 12:00 AM appended by Mr. Z
If you consider that Congress passed bank bills/legislation written by fiscal institutions, in all fairness shouldn't they pass a jobs bill written by Unions? What's good for the goose, after all...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 12, 14 12:00 AM
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Raiding Native Sacred Places in a Defense Authorization: Everything Wrong with Congress
Terry Rambler
12/10/14


The San Carlos Apache Tribe (Tribe) has worked for the past decade to shine light on the Southeast Arizona Land Exchange that would ransfer Oak Flat and nearby lands in the Tonto National Forest – lands held sacred by my Tribe and many other Native Americans – to a foreign-owned mining corporation for certain destruction. Sadly, this Land Exchange has been ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 12, 14 7:10 AM
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self-esteem?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 12, 14 4:18 PM
Want real

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

watch this

Megyn Kelly skewers Minority Leader Elizabeth Warren for government shutdown hypocrisy and the budget
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 12, 14 5:20 PM
Stop you worrying, No one will vote for this nut bag, and if she even tries to run for the Democratic nomination Hillary will clean her clock
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 12, 14 5:24 PM
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....... Developing
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 12, 14 9:05 AM
Time for term limits!! 2 terms in Federal office House and Senate combined! Our representatives would do what they think is right without worrying about being re elected. This would cut out all the shennagins we are seeing in Congress. Additionally a Representative would have to get back to the real world and live with their decisions , like we all have to do!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 13, 14 7:08 AM
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"And now we're watching as Congress passes yet another provision that was written by lobbyists for the biggest recipient of bailout money in the history of this country. And its attached to a bill that needs to pass or else the entire federal government will grind to a halt. If a financial institution has become so big and so powerful that it can hold the entire country hostage, that alone is reason enough to break them up. Washington already works really well for the billionaires and the big corporations ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 14, 14 6:41 PM
I personally believe that Sen. Warren would be an excellent Democratic nominee for president as she ecnompasses all the traits that make a good Democrat. She is self-obsessed, a consummate liar, is willing to use anyone to further her agenda no matter how bad such use hurts them, and is a dedicated progressive fascist.

By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 15, 14 12:13 AM
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The only thing this Nutbag Elizabeth Warren is going to do is make Hillary Clinton look good. Warren cant form a sentence without sounding like an idiot. I would love to see a socialist like Warren run. it is time we found out just what kind of country we live in. A country of freedom an opportunity or one that is going to try the failed experiment socialism.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 15, 14 12:32 AM
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It seems to me that Hillary isn't progressive enough for a party that Obama has revealed as nearly communist in its ideology. I don't think Obama moved the party, I believe the party has been drifting that way for many decades and now many are just waking up to the fact that it is a party of tyranny. Hillary is very liberal, but she's not a Marxist, Communist. That's not good enough for Mr Z and the majority of the Democratic party these days which is made up of Authoritarian, Marxist, Atheists, ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 16, 14 4:59 PM
RUN LIZ RUN RUN LIZ RUN RUN LIZ RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 15, 14 7:28 AM
Hands up don't shoot !

Saturday at the 'Millions March NYC,' Thousands of protesters marching against police violence ???

"Kill the killers. Shoot them back. A body for a body. Get it straight.

What do we want... Dead cops When do we want it ... Now !

Disgusting, Watch it for yourself on U Tube
Dec 15, 14 8:32 AM appended by They call me
Thank god for black community leaders like Coretta Scott King and shame on Al Sharpton and his supporters
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 15, 14 8:32 AM
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i so love that since the election this place remains trolless,

nice job to all ;)
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Dec 15, 14 7:48 PM
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The avatar of a commune living hippie, a far left radical comedian, what a perfect character fit .
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 16, 14 1:01 PM
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By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 17, 14 7:14 AM
Wash Post "Fact-Checker" Names "ISIS/JV Team" Lie Of The Year

Glenn Kessler, the Washington Post's "Fact Check" columnist names the biggest Pinocchio moment of the year: When the president denied referring to ISIS specifically as a "JV Team."

By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 16, 14 4:48 PM
FLASH------- THE DEMOKRATZ LOST THE MID TERM ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the liberal bovine excrement doesn't change that fact, deal with it if you can!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 16, 14 6:00 PM
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By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 16, 14 11:48 PM
We're watching the GOP burn themselves to the ground. Giving them a chance could be the best thing that ever happened to this country.

All the whackjob extremists, fool religious zealots, and sycophantic Wall St. trollops are out in force. When they try to re-write the rules of the Electoral College again, and continue their gerrymandering efforts, people will being to see them for the scum they truly are and how falsely their claims to represent the People are. If they are so representative ...more
Dec 17, 14 12:57 AM appended by Mr. Z
“How a Strategy of Targeting State Legislative Races in 2010 Led to a Republican U.S. House Majority in 2013,” boasted about its success in gerrymandering, using $30 million to target Democratic-held state legislature races in blue states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin."
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 17, 14 12:57 AM
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By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 17, 14 6:56 AM
Maybe so, but it's the WHO that tacked on the rider that matters.

One thing Dems are not guilty of is theocratic crimes against a secular Republican Democracy. You can't deny that...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 17, 14 9:59 PM
Liberalism is a religion?

Have you been reading that Creationist hack Benjamin Wiker again?

Lay off the cyanide...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 18, 14 9:13 AM
Loser of the Week:

Republican Kasich Forces Public Schools To Partner with Religion Or Lose Taxpayer Funding


Maybe he's a closet member of "Extremist Believers in Hardcore Theocracy"...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 17, 14 1:17 AM
^
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 17, 14 11:17 AM
The Demokratrz lost LARGE in the last mid term election, it was a kick to the groin for Obama and His ultra liberal regime, His policies have been rejected. Get ready for some common sense Conservatism boys and girls.




By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 17, 14 8:07 PM
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How is that approval rating doing Phil?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 14 8:32 PM
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By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 17, 14 10:00 PM
How is that approval rating doing philly?



By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 17, 14 10:50 PM
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That's right Mr z , VICTORY, as in the Demokrat Party lost in the mid terms and Barak Hussein Obamas' policies soundly rejected.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 18, 14 7:19 AM
You don't know what the word means. It's etymology and origin is of a word directly meaning victory in warfare. People don't vote, because they don't care anymore. Because they feel that Big Money has polluted our Republic to such a degree that pulling the lever means nothing. Simply put, they don't believe in our democratic process anymore.

Do you treat everything like it's war?

Some words from the most humble President on the planet. You would do well to heed them:

...more
Dec 18, 14 9:20 AM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. The word "victor" in Latin literally means "conqueror". The root verb "vincere" literally means "to conquer". Very democratic choice of words on your part. Really shows off your personality and attitude.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 18, 14 9:20 AM
BTW, there is no "victory" involved when almost 2/3 of the country don't exercise their right to vote.

Talk about obtuse...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 18, 14 9:40 AM
what Mr Z did not tell you is the president he refers to is Jose Mujica from Uruguay
You can find it on a web site that I am sure is one of z favorites (Trueactivist.com)
very telling
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 18, 14 9:46 AM
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is this the kind of website you hang out on mr z and if the ansew is yes do you indorse the anti american crap I read there?
Dec 18, 14 9:50 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
endorse
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 18, 14 9:50 AM
That's not where it came from. It was forwarded to me by a fellow alumnus of mine who I can guarantee is far more educated than yourself.

If you can't see past your prejudice, and take up the wisdom in his words it's your problem. Most likely anger issues regarding the departure of your birthplace. Maybe if you look hard enough, you could comprehend why I take issue with what this country has become. It is a far cry from what it was founded to be. That avatar of mine? You should read ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 18, 14 10:26 PM
Exercise a few brain cells, and figure it out.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 19, 14 4:58 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Number 15 is my favorite...'To live in accordance with how one thinks. Be yourself and don’t try to impose your criteria on the rest'".
-----------------------------------------------------
The entire extreme Right Wing (especially its maximum leader, president manqué Ted Cruz) shares your disdain for humility, Captn - and for anyone who manifests it.
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 20, 14 4:29 AM
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to Captn America:

Quote:

"There goes the fascination with the KKK again. At least you kept them out of the kiddie pool... blah blah blah..."
-------------------------------------------------------

Ground control to Captn. America; "Ingest Risperdal NOW!"
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 20, 14 6:26 PM
Direction of Country under ABM 12/18/14
RCMP Average
Right Direction 25.9 Wrong Track 66.5

Those are some ugly numbers the next two years cant go quick enough even if it is Hillary at this point it will still be such a relief for all but the most radical left wing nuts
Dec 18, 14 6:21 PM appended by They call me
Direction of Country under obama 12/18/14 RCP Average Right Direction 25.9 Wrong Track 66.5 Those are some ugly numbers the next two years cant go quick enough even if it is Hillary at this point it will still be such a relief for all but the most radical left wing nuts
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 18, 14 6:21 PM
Here you go Phil. For the next time you decide to call someone a racist.


Townhall.com
John Hawkins | December 20, 2014

Since we’ve entered the Obama era, we’ve learned that the same America that elected a black President twice is supposedly a seething caldron of secret racism. Don’t like Obama? You must be racist. Don’t like Democrats? Definitely racist! So you’re opposed to Obamacare? Obviously racist. Sick of the IRS? Racist, racist, RACIST! ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 14 1:30 PM
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Your accusations are hollow and carry no weight Phil. How arrogant to think that because I didn't play your game that people are going to think you are correct. You always have a consensus of one.

Did you even read the article?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 14 9:51 PM
"But I knew that already."

So why did you have to look it up smart guy?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 14 5:00 PM
Zeldin And Bishop Differ On Effect Of CIA Interrogation Report

Why is anything Tim Bishop says now relevant?
By Frank Wheeler (1288), Northampton on Dec 18, 14 8:23 AM

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Dec 18, 14 10:19 PM appended by 27dan
Don't pretend you did not see this we know you did
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 18, 14 10:19 PM
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the point was Bishops opinion do not matter anymore
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 19, 14 8:19 AM
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you know it really angers me that that story that was posted 2 days ago has been diapered from the site, just try and find it from the home page I guess 14 likes and rising was to much for sore loser little boy timmy
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Dec 19, 14 6:19 PM
Don't imply she is an idiot , she makes a valid point when the story " East Hampton Village Preps For Deer-Spaying Program In January " from the same day is still in the top five but poorooor timmys story is number 48 down the list in read all headlines

Sounds like someone at the press could not resist trying to make sore LOSER poorooor little timmy some how again relevant and then saw the reaction to Franks post 14 likes and building and buried it quick, GO ERIN!
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Dec 19, 14 9:54 PM
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And Phil's war on women continues....
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 14 7:33 AM
Our enemies should fear us!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 19, 14 8:06 AM
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There is a fine line between respect, and fear.

One gets you nowhere, the other does not.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 19, 14 9:23 AM
Fear lasts longer.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 19, 14 10:12 AM
Respect is earned and learned, that's the big difference. Fear only requires primitive behavior.

A couple of NYC cops basically beat up a couple of teenagers the other day, and it turned out they were guilty of nothing except walking down the street.

You want respect, that ain't the way to earn it. Keep giving psychopaths a badge, and it will just continue.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 19, 14 4:53 PM
oh i see, Phil can slander cap like that and its fine but we cant say the far left hippie comedian avatar fits him perfect because everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like a joke to us

Maybe if cops were left to do important things instead of enforcing mayor big birds loosey cigarette policy that gets around the city's cig tax. we would not have to keep such a big police force and the " psychopaths a badge " could be let go and this would have never happened
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 19, 14 5:59 PM
You do realize one of the traits of such a person is the ability to conceal their nature.

Nah, you don't. You wouldn't post the above if you understood the definition of one.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 19, 14 10:35 PM
Nope.

But maybe there will finally be a catalyst for better gun control in this country. Just proves no one is safe...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 20, 14 7:33 PM
Gun control is not happening. It does not work. No politician will touch it. Catalyst? Really?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 14 9:46 PM
As the United States staggers toward the seventh year of Barack Obama’s tenure in the White House, a growing disquiet permeates the ranks of the American left. After six years of the most liberal president since Jimmy Carter, the nation doesn’t seem to be asking for a second helping. Even though the multiyear rollout of Obamacare was carefully crafted to put all the popular features up front, delaying less popular changes into the far future, the program remains unpopular. Trust in the ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 14 9:53 PM
to dnice:

Or, rather than a tectonic shift in the nations' political orientation, we could be witnessing another transient reaction of dissatisfied voters to the policies of the sitting president and his party (like 2008.)

I suppose that the referenced article has some interest as an example of flimsy rumination but there have been superior ARGUMENTS put forward by Right-Wingers on THIS forum. (It's THAT bad.)

Basically, Mead meanders on discursively, misidentifying Liberal ...more
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 21, 14 10:06 AM
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HHS, "tendentious conjecture"? Had to go look it up:) You have a great grasp of the english language.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 14 4:56 PM
Here's where Cap fails. I don't see anyone who is "anti-police". Many of us are anti psychopath however. Law enforcement is required in a civilized society. Always loved Lenny Bruce's A, B, Cs.

Headline:
Germany Files War Crimes Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 21, 14 11:30 PM
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to dnice:

Thanks for the compliment.

The house motto is:

"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

(He said, tossing up a giant softball for the humorless.)
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 22, 14 12:04 AM
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By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 19, 14 5:49 PM
Thank goodness we are ridding ourselves of Tim Bishop and his left wing, anti American perspective. What a shame this newspaper holds him in such reverence. By BillWillConn3

Indeed!
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 20, 14 5:27 PM
We were attacked by a bunch of ruthless savages on 9-11 , multiple times before that. We were not then and are not now under any obligation to show them any leniency, either in the field or in captivity. Water boarding is a joke compared to beheading!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 20, 14 7:52 AM
HAVANA — President Raúl Castro declared victory for the Cuban Revolution on Saturday in a wide-ranging speech, thanking President Obama for “a new chapter” while also reaffirming that restored relations with the United States did not mean the end of Communist rule in Cuba.



"Now I'm going to go on vacation. Mele Kalikimaka, everybody. Mahalo!

Nice job Barry , say hello to the Choom gang for us while your there.
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 20, 14 5:37 PM
What do we want?
"DEAD COPS!"
When do we want it?
"NOW!"

Kudos, Mr. Sharpton, your instigative rabble-rousing has been proven successful.
Once again.
Dec 20, 14 7:08 PM appended by loading...
edit: TWICE again
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 20, 14 7:08 PM
Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik:

de Blasio, Sharpton "Have Blood On Their Hands
I hope they're happy, because they got what they wanted"
Dec 21, 14 4:24 AM appended by joe hampton
The murder of these two NYPD cops is on the hands of Obama, Di Blasio, Holder and Sharpton. Who can blame these police officers for turning their backs on the man who turned his back on them weeks ago.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 21, 14 4:24 AM
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The Fed enforcers were protecting grass from murderous cows.
The cops in Bed-Stuy...well, I don't see the difference either
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 21, 14 10:36 AM
the 10th amendment assures the sheriffs of those county's have the authority to move or not on Mr Bundee not hapless Harry's swat teams (BLM) so his sons can make millions on a solar panel scam
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 21, 14 1:21 PM
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Mark Twain:

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."


“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”


"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."


"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly. I said I don't know."


Seasons Greetings . . .


By PBR (4952), Southampton on Dec 21, 14 7:10 AM
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Is the "Reverend" Al Sharpton protesting with his entourage in Bed Stuy yet? 2 Minority police officers assassinated in cold blood , will there be protests and rallies in the street against these killings?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 21, 14 8:08 AM
Well, obama, holder, de Blasio, sharpton and phil got what they wanted... sharpton for one has been stroking race wars every chance he gets, organizing marches to protest the deaths of black criminals. Everywhere he goes, violence follows as protesters chanting "No Justice, No Peace" set fires and loot stores.

In New York City just a week ago, sharpton led a march in which protesters assaulted two NYPD officers and blocked traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge. Their chant then: "What do we want? ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 21, 14 1:57 PM
He was also a fugitive for putting a bullet in his girlfriend.

Conveniently leaving out facts like a good "conservative"...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 21, 14 11:46 PM
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Well then lets try and not leave out anymore facts,

The shooter identified as Ismaaiyl Brinsley boasted about wanting to murder cops in the hours before he ambushed the officers outside the Tompkins Houses in Bedford-Stuyvesant about 2:45 p.m.

“I’m putting wings on pigs today. They take 1 of ours ... let’s take 2 of theirs,” Brinsley, 28, wrote on Instagram, alongside a photo of a silver handgun.

He also included three hashtags: ShootThePolice, ...more
Dec 22, 14 12:56 AM appended by They call me
He also included three hashtags: ShootThePolice, ...more RIPErivGarner and RIPMikeBrown.
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 22, 14 12:56 AM
It is well known that Sharpton is a race baiter. You reap what you sow.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 14 2:04 PM
Sharpton wrote, "At every rally and every march, we have stressed nonviolence and peaceful protests."

This is a LIE.

At the rally which his group organized / NBC News reported:

"After a few seconds of chanting "Hands up, don’t shoot," the demonstrators changed their cry, apparently yelling out in unison "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now."

Sharptons rally. Chanting "we want dead cops"

Sharpton - absolute pig, race baiting huckster, ...more
Dec 22, 14 4:19 PM appended by They call me
"LIU and RAMOS CAN'T BREATHE!"
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 21, 14 4:19 PM
don't forget to put part of the blame on the main stream media, every day for weeks nbc and the ny times has been willfully and maliciously mis characterizing the deaths of michael brown and eric garner, intentionally trying convince people like phil that these deaths were the fault of racist police instead of the victims' own actions. this attack on these two innocent police officers is as much the responsibility of the news media as well as sharpton
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Dec 21, 14 4:32 PM
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I'm sure Obama will cancel his vacation send Eric Holder, the FBI and a plane load of lawyers to NYC and give a speech about black on white hate crimes and the disgusting protest chant "we want dead cops". He probably did it already and I just missed it.

Obama, Holder, De Blasio, and "leaders" like Al Sharpton "built" this. Obama, in particular, gave us his opinion of the police in Cambridge, MA 2009.

And now they pretend that their actions had nothing to do with it? Most of the ...more
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 21, 14 9:30 PM
The only man setting some semblance of an example:

"I blame the shooter and nobody else"

~ Senator Lindsey Graham
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 22, 14 12:10 AM
Come off it already, the media and the men I cited above were asking for this and you know it.

Yes the shooter had a screw loose but they helped light his fuse and now that the deed has been done all of a sudden they are singing a different tune calling for peace and candle light vigils.

Your smarter than that.
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 22, 14 12:50 AM
Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, said de Blasio, a Democrat, had set a troubling tone and contributed to a dangerous climate for officers.

~ Senator Lindsey Graham

Conveniently leaving out facts like a good little liberal activist
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 22, 14 1:18 AM
You fools just don't get it, do you? It doesn't matter what any politician said. All your are pathetically doing is creating scapegoats, or identifying with those who do.

Regardless of what anyone has to say publicly, all this shooter sees is dead citizens at the hands of police. The citizen sees these deaths as unjustified, and our legal system as a joke. So, to call even more attention to his "cause" he picks people at random to kill. Remind you of the psychological profile of any ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 22, 14 2:40 AM
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So I guess leadership is never responsible for who they may have led?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 22, 14 3:59 PM
You are responsible for no actions but your own, unless you are giving orders.

The shooter made no mention of any leader. He acted according to his own demented beliefs. He had a rap sheet a mile long, a vehement hate for law enforcement, a history of mental instability, and in general a hatred of government.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 22, 14 4:14 PM
I don't buy it. Maybe he did it without any provocation, maybe he didn't. Deblasio and Sharpton did not help things. Good leaders find a way to seek justice without inciting more hatred. They failed in that regard. Sharpton is a proven race baiter and Deblasio is too inexperienced.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 22, 14 4:22 PM
So disingenuous of you Mr Z to pretend these assassinations had no connection to Sharpton, de Blasio and Holders comments or lack there off,

Sharptons rally after a few seconds of chanting "Hands up, don’t shoot," the demonstrators changed their cry, apparently yelling out in unison "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now."

The police department's chief of detectives, Robert Boyce, said Sunday that Ismaaiyl Brinsley, 28, talked to two people on the street moments ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 22, 14 6:17 PM
Joe Scarborough: "Avalanche Of Hate Speech Against Cops Inspired Killer"

Giuliani: We've Had "Months of Propaganda That People Should Hate Police "

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik: de Blasio, Sharpton "Have Blood On Their Hands"

Ben Carson "Obama and holder have even more blood on their hands. You could see this coming from the time obama said the cops behaved stupidly in Cambridge. It was just a matter of time and it won't be the last of it "
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 22, 14 6:45 PM
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By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 23, 14 12:53 AM
This man had a history of crime, and violence. When have any of you ever had to deal with regular police misconduct? When have any of you every had to walk down the street in abject fear of gangs on one side, and police on the other?

You should try Milwaukee on for size. And, don't forget to bring along your copy of John Howard Griffin...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 23, 14 10:43 AM
"The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."

~ Plato


"Only 36.4% of eligible voters voted in this year’s midterm elections, down from 40.9% who voted in 2010, according to preliminary analysis by Michael McDonald at the University of Florida. The last time voter turnout was that low was 1942, when only 33.9% of voters cast ballots, according to the United States Elections Project."
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 22, 14 2:48 PM
Give it a rest Phil. Sharpton has time and time again shown the penchant for throwing gasoline on the fire. To deny that is just foolish.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 22, 14 3:46 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Dec 22, 14 3:46 PM
That's some accusation you hurl at Cappy there, Phil. More than a mere suggestion.
Now, where have I encountered such rhetoric just recently?
oh, yeah...
"Dan suggests that Im glad police officers got killed.
that comment reveals more about him than it does about me."
By philathome (9352), Southampton on Dec 22, 14 11:16 AM

...excuse me a moment while I go look up the definition of "hypocrite"
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 25, 14 1:37 PM
Sharpton is a race baiting poverty pimp! He has inflamed the already violent folks he is allegedly leading to more violent acts. Some reverend.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 22, 14 4:47 PM
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By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Dec 22, 14 6:22 PM
take alot at once
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Dec 22, 14 6:47 PM
Phil said,

( This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content ! )
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 23, 14 2:38 PM
Just ******** WOW.


The Downside of the Boom

By DEBORAH SONTAG and ROBERT GEBELOFF NOV. 22, 2014

North Dakota took on the oversight of a multibillion-dollar oil industry with a regulatory system built on trust, warnings and second chances.


“We’re spoiling the child by sparing the rod,” said Daryl Peterson, a farmer who has filed a complaint seeking to compel the state to punish oil companies for spills that contaminated his land. “We ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 23, 14 12:58 AM
The mayor never misses an opportunity to talk about how his son is black and how they have taught him the police are racist, Eric Holder has injected race into this at every turn and Obama's make believe son is always in the middle of these race problems.

Never let a crisis go to waste ... and when there isn't a crisis, create one. Stirring black resentment or white guilt is like shooting fish in a barrel ... especially for an experienced community organizer.
Dec 23, 14 12:04 PM appended by They call me
Massacre at Freddy's Fashion Mart: It all started as a rent dispute in the summer of 1995:Al Sharpton turned this non-racial economic dispute into a racial conflict.The Sharpton-led protests began in August and came to a head on the morning of Friday, December 8th when Roland James Smith, Jr., who had been part of the Sharpton's protests, walked into Freddy's Fashion Mart, pulled out a gun, ordered all the black customers to leave, spilled paint thinner on several bins of clothing and set them on fire -- a fire that resulted in killing 7 people. At the time the faux-preacher claimed he wasn't involved in the protests,Sharpton, the professional bigot criticized NYPD investigators for quickly linking the fire to the protesters. But the police evidence and video tapes proved him to be a liar.
By They call me (2793), southampton on Dec 23, 14 12:04 PM
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Let's see you post where Sharptons rhetoric promoted violence.
Dec 23, 14 2:41 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Let's see you post where Sharptons rhetoric promoted violence. By philathome (9345), Southampton on Dec 22, 14 6:10 PM
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Dec 23, 14 2:41 PM
to Captn America:

Once again, you display the pernicious effect that irrational ideological prejudice has on the judgment of true believers. This time by mentioning the president in the same breath with Al Sharpton. While the pejorative adjectives have yet to be imagined that would adequately describe the despicable "Reverend", there is not an atom of similarity in the president's character or behavior.

I invite you to post evidence to the contrary (he said facetiously.)
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 25, 14 11:01 PM
to Captn America:

Thanks for making my point so clearly.

So, President Obama's observation that, "[T]his [Treyvon Martin] could have been my son", and his opining that the police "acted stupidly" in the Professor Gates incident equate him to the race-baiting Sharpton?

Your ludicrous opinion only confirms the fact that you continue to be utterly deranged by extremist ideological enthrallment.

One is not surprised, however, that you would cite hearsay from the ...more
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 26, 14 3:53 AM
to Captn America:

Only a hopeless fanatic who has abandoned reason for his creed could find "[a]gitation and baiting" in the president's innocuous comments. Your bias so utterly overwhelms your mind that you see ideological boogeymen everywhere.
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Dec 26, 14 12:36 PM
Ready to learn from history yet?


Sam Brownback is sorry he predicted his tax cuts would work
Kansas governor says he spoke "inartfully" when predicting tax cuts would be major boon to economy
By Luke Brinker
Tuesday, Dec 23, 2014 12:55 PM EST


Fresh off a re-election bid that he nearly lost because of the disastrous impact of his massive income tax cuts, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback now says he regrets his triumphant prediction that the tax cuts would be a “shot ...more
Dec 23, 14 4:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
"The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion." ~ Bodhidharma
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 23, 14 4:37 PM
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Ooops, FAIL...

House GOP fails to uncover IRS, White House coordination
12/23/14 04:53 PM—Updated 12/23/14 10:00 PM
By Steve Benen


About a year-and-a-half ago, the “scandal” involving the Internal Revenue Service looked like it might be a real story. It wasn’t, and the whole thing evaporated into nothing soon after, but for Republicans, the prospect of the IRS coordinating with the White House to punish conservatives was so enticing, they believed ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 24, 14 1:24 AM
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FAIL indeed:
"House GOP fails to uncover IRS, White House coordination"
It couldn't have anything to do with shenanigans of this sort, could it?
from Forbes, yesterday:

"A top IRS official considered going public with the agency’s targeting of conservative groups at a hearing just months before the 2012 presidential election. One wonders what might have happened in the election if he had. Ultimately, the IRS official decided against revealing the bombshell news, according ...more
By loading... (588), quiogue on Dec 24, 14 4:36 PM
It gets even better this week, apparently:

Seattle Police Department Hosts Contest Looking for Hackers Who Can Doctor Officers' Dash Cam Videos
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 24, 14 5:08 PM
Oh, sure. "The names have been changed to protect the innocent."
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 26, 14 12:34 AM
My Horrible Right-Wing Past: Confessions of a One-Time Religious Right Icon

I was a religious fanatic appealing to political leaders. Today, the fanatics are the political leaders.

December 24, 2014
by Frank Schaeffer

I am a white, privileged, well-off, 61-year-old former Republican religious right-wing activist who changed his mind about religion and politics long ago. The New York Times profiled my change of heart, saying that to my former friends I’m considered ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Dec 26, 14 12:49 AM
A rather long winded example showing that liberalism is truly a mental disorder!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Dec 26, 14 7:33 AM
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