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Sep 2, 2014 2:52 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Bishop And Zeldin Say They Are Both Pro-Business, But Have Different Approaches

Sep 2, 2014 3:23 PM

Bouncing back from the economic recession that hit in 2008 has been a long, uphill battle, and how best to get back on track has been the subject of much debate ever since.

Despite improving numbers, this year is no different.

Both candidates for New York’s 1st Congressional District—U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, who is seeking his seventh term in office this November, and his Republican challenger, State Senator Lee Zeldin—say they are pro-business and have even been awarded for their efforts.

“I think we’re all pro-business—[Mr. Zeldin] is not any more pro-business than I am,” Mr. Bishop said this week.

But exactly how to go about bolstering the economy is where they differ. While Mr. Bishop believes that investing in education and infrastructure would build a stable workforce and environment, Mr. Zeldin says that the government needs to ease the financial burden on small-business owners, simplify the tax code by making it flatter and cut government spending.

Just last month, Mr. Zeldin was named a recipient of the Guardian of Small Business Award, given by the National Federation of Independent Business, for voting in favor of pro-business legislation as part of the State Senate. In particular, Mr. Zeldin said he is proud of helping to repeal the Metropolitan Transportation Authority payroll tax, which required that employers pay approximately 34 cents for every $100 of payroll. Proposed by the MTA board of directors and approved by the state in 2009, it was a way to close a $1.2 billion deficit in the MTA annual operating budget.

Mr. Zeldin supported the repeal in 2011 and helped eliminate the tax for nearly 80 percent of employers in the state, he said.

According to the Business Council of New York, Mr. Zeldin has a 90-percent rating for his “pro-business” stance, having supported several pieces of legislation, like a jobs creation package that passed in 2012. The bill was crafted to save businesses across the state hundreds of millions of dollars collectively and to create thousands of new private sector jobs by delivering tax relief to small businesses and manufacturers, reducing energy costs, and enacting major fiscal reforms to make the state more economically competitive, according to the legislation’s text.

Mr. Bishop, in 2008, similarly won the Spirit of Enterprise Award from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for voting in support of the chamber’s position on legislation a minimum of 70 percent of the time in the previous session.

Two years ago, Mr. Bishop led the effort to stop budget cuts at the Office of Science, Technology and Academic Research, which would have eliminated thousands of jobs at Brookhaven National Laboratory.

In May, he announced a new law that would create jobs through a Clean Water State Revolving Fund and other efforts to improve water quality by renewing the federal government’s commitment to address the country’s wastewater infrastructure. According to Mr. Bishop, the bill would authorize $12 billion in wastewater infrastructure projects.

“There’s an economic multiplier: For every billion we invest, we create 33,000 jobs,” he said this week. “It’s a real jobs bill.”

Mr. Bishop said he is working with the Federal Aviation Administration to make sure that the replacement of an air traffic control facility in Westbury is built on Long Island, which would save about 1,000 jobs and create well-paying construction jobs.

While both candidates have made strides to provide qualified employees and a business-friendly environment, Mr. Bishop, who has supported tax cuts for the middle class, argues that the government should be looking for ways to invest in areas that would allow the private sector to grow.

“It’s the responsibility of not just the House but every level of government to create an environment in which the private sector can take the lead in job creation,” he said. “I think that means we need to create the right environment by investing in infrastructure and education so we have a properly trained workforce.”

He said Congress has not been active in making such investments, and that, in fact, Republicans voted for huge cuts to both infrastructure and employee training in the House budget.

Mr. Bishop said higher education is the “great equalizer” and that he has been concerned with both access and affordability and has voted for legislation that would help students afford a college education.

Mr. Zeldin said the way to get to a strong economy is by scaling back the government’s interference, providing tax relief and making smarter decisions.

“The best way we can create good-paying jobs on Long Island is for elected officials to, at various levels of government, pursue opportunities that will reduce the cost to do business,” he said this week. “Sometimes, through a particular piece of legislation, you can significantly improve an entire industry—and in the case of bad legislation, you can greatly hurt an entire industry.”

Mr. Zeldin said that in 2012 he voted for a law to give New York’s craft brewers who produce less than six million barrels a year a 14-cent-per-gallon tax credit on the first 200,000 barrels produced, to exempt small breweries from a $150 annual brand label fee, and to create a “farm brewery” license allowing craft brewers that use products grown in the state to operate as the state’s farm wineries do.

Currently, Mr. Zeldin said he is trying to reduce a fee on electric bills that fund utility companies’ operations.

“The biggest issue is the cost to do business,” Mr. Zeldin said. “From energy costs to property taxes, health care and insurance costs, it’s the overhead.” He said more “portable” businesses are opting to leave the state because they can better afford to operate their businesses elsewhere. Sometimes they don’t have a choice, he said.

Obamacare, he said, has hurt business, too. “We have had jobs be converted from full time to part time,” he said. “Long Island-based home health care companies, because of Obamacare, are literally going out of business as we speak.”

He said the required competitive bidding process for Medicare makes it virtually impossible for local home health care companies to compete with larger out-of-state companies that pay lower overhead.

Mr. Zeldin also said that providing Medicaid for those who abuse the system is another drain, and that the tax code needs to be simplified to make it harder for people to exploit deductions and exemptions.

“The complexity is starting to get out of hand,” he said. “In many respects, the government can help create jobs by getting out of the way, instead of taxing businesses to death and adding regulations that add significantly to the cost, and hassle, to do business.”

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Lee Zeldin doesn't get it. For Zeldin, it's about business, and for Bishop, it's about jobs.

What's the difference? Zeldin believes that if you cut the costs of doing business -- taxes, fees, compliance, etc. -- that money will make its way to the wider community, in employee compensation, customer savings, supplier orders, and so on. It's classic trickle-down theory.

Wrong. That money will go into the portfolios of the business owners, to be spent eventually on golf club dues, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Sep 5, 14 11:56 AM
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Exactly right, Turkey Bridge. Proof of what you say is evident in the case of Kansas. Republican Governor, Sam Brownback. H executed the Zeldin formula and now he's on verge of losing his bid for re-election because the Kansas economy has tanked. According to Public Policy Polling, "There a few big issues causing Brownback trouble. Only 26% of voters in the state think his much heralded tax plan has been a success, compared to 47% who feel it hasn't."

Further, of course regulations need ...more
By number19 (111), Westhampton on Sep 5, 14 9:22 PM
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Alan Greenspan will never see the inside of a prison cell, or lose a cent of his fortune.

Regarding the latter, millions of the people his decisions affected, not so much...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 5, 14 9:42 PM
Speeking of golf – Former House Majority Leader finally called out obama for playing to much of it.

President Obama’s left-leaning political ideology combined with sympathies for Islam acquired from being raised by a Muslim stepfather paralyze him as he faces the threat posed by the Islamic jihadist group ISIS, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said in an interview today.

“In defending America against radical Islamic terrorism, Barack Obama cannot be trusted,” ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 5, 14 12:03 PM
to joe hampton:

DeLay's accusations are too childishly stupid to merit comment. Suffice it to say that no mainstream medium (not even Fox News!) has seen fit to republish his irrational rant.

He must have too much time on his hands since being indicted for money-laundering and resigning from congress.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 5, 14 1:03 PM
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Another Republican jailbird. My, what a shock...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 5, 14 4:13 PM
So Zeldin still wants to try that old "Trickle-Down" nonsense by giving more tax breaks to the rich. Will they turn that into new jobs? Well in the long, long history of Republican fiscal plans it ain't happened yet and it ain't ever going to. He's really not much of a progressive thinker at all (forget that he's a Republican) he just cannot deal with new concepts or with proven ideas that work.
By barberosa (39), Watermill on Sep 5, 14 7:08 PM
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Agreed.

Trickle down, Reaganomics, Mellonomics, "Horse and Sparrow", lets just call it what it has repeatedly and conclusively proven to be:

HORSE**** economics.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 5, 14 7:22 PM
I am a conservative and even I don't believe in trickle down.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Sep 5, 14 8:12 PM
I figure you'd like this:

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astonishing piece of sleight of hand ever invented. Banking was conceived in iniquity, and born in sin. Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them, and all great fortunes like mine will disappear. And, they ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 6, 14 9:19 PM
Yeah good idea. Lets tax corporations more spread the money around and watch the job market soar. What school of economics is that from? La la land? The corporate tax rate in this country is already to high.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Sep 6, 14 12:00 AM
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Is that why the percentage of corporate taxes as a component of Federal revenue has fallen from more than thirty percent, to less than ten percent? The effective tax rate of many corporations is 0%, and in some cases it goes negative when they receive refunds.

"La La Land" is exactly where you're living...
Sep 6, 14 3:39 AM appended by Mr. Z
I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... [a] means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. ~ Thomas Jefferson
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 6, 14 3:39 AM
Tax reform and tax increases are different things my friend. If you tax corporations at a higher rate they will leave and take jobs and rax revenues with them.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Sep 6, 14 6:50 AM
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One out of four major corporations don't pay any income tax.
Sep 6, 14 9:04 PM appended by Mr. Z
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." ~ Woodrow Wilson
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 6, 14 9:04 PM
Fact is we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. you should be discussing tax reform not higher taxes. There is a difference
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Sep 7, 14 7:48 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 8, 14 5:21 AM
Being "pro-business" doesn't mean a thing. I've found that it's better to watch what these characters DO rather than listen to what they SAY. It's usually a big difference.
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Sep 6, 14 7:01 AM
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Exactly, Mr. Luss. Look at what they do, not what they say.

By that standard, Lee Zeldin has pushed measures to relieve pressure on business, but has that produced jobs for the people? Has Mr. Zeldin ever saved a job that was in danger? No to both, because if he had, Lee Zeldin would be talking about it, and he's not.

In contrast, Tim Bishop has actually saved thousands of jobs and advocates programs that will undeniably create more jobs. If you look at the record, you'll ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Sep 6, 14 1:43 PM
Lets not forget that Tim Bishop married into the family that ran LIU @ southampton college and ran it straight into the ground. Bishop has no qualifications to do anything. Most jobs are created by small companies and government regulations and laws are killing these job creators. Ask anyone who runs a small mom and pop business and they will tell you. Democrats want to take hard working people's money and run the welfare nanny state. They more people they give money andnwelfare to the more votes ...more
By maxwell (169), speonk on Sep 6, 14 1:25 PM
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Well, if one goes "by the numbers"...


The Republicans: Freeloading off the political system for twenty years
by echochamberlain

Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:20 AM PDT

In the last twenty years, there have been three occasions when the Republicans have won national elections, but received less votes than the Democrats.

The direction of the nation would be vastly different, and the progressive legacy so much more profound, if, in each instance, power had simply ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 6, 14 2:26 PM
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We must eliminate this administrations catastrophic economic policies.

Until we do, you will not have any growth.With the current manner of computing, the lower the labor participation rate, the lower the unemployment rate.

The real unemployment rate is closer to 18% not the 6.1% reported. It is time to be more honest in these communications and Americans know it, time economists like Robert Reich and Paul Krugman, Mr Z and prgressive politicians to stop kidding themselves!
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 6, 14 5:32 PM
Sure, because thirty years of the current way of "conservative policy", trickle down economics, and the "free marketeer" way doing things has been SO successful. About as successful as whipping a dead horse.

The economic policy which has placed us in this situation is a proven failure. It failed in 1797, 1807, 1815, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893, 1907, 1921, and SPECTACULARLY in 1929. The only period of relative economic calm was after the "Great Depression" and the enactment of safeguards ...more
Sep 6, 14 7:17 PM appended by Mr. Z
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 6, 14 7:17 PM
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Obviously you haven't seen the current issue of (Republican) Forbes Magazine that shows that there hasn't been as good an economy in decades. You are so wrong.
By June Bug (2597), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 8, 14 7:19 PM
I believe June may be alluding to the "Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing" article.

June, you may have noticed that many posters here are Glenn Beck parrots.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 9, 14 12:32 AM
Tim says "the environment is the economy and the economy is the environment". No revetments - let downtown Montauk flood. Businesses get destroyed. Jobs destroyed. Plovers pervail.
By fact (25), east hampton on Sep 6, 14 7:42 PM
I have a feeling I will be waiting a while for a reduction in fees on my electric bill.
By Sagdays (23), Southampton on Sep 7, 14 9:46 PM
FOX News Reporting: "13 Hours In Benghazi" has been very telling indeed but the even bigger story is that FOX is the only outlet that deems this stuff newsworthy. While the other networks alert us to breaking news about Kim Kardashian's wedgie or other such matters vital to our national security, they completely ignore stories such as this one or Obama's lifting on the ban on flight training for Libyans or the 11 commercial planes stolen by Libyan rebel forces, etc.
If an honest and accurate ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 7, 14 11:55 PM
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The most misinformed Americans are those who watch the propagandistic so-called news channel called Fox. Obviously you are one. You forget how many Americans died in attacks on embassies all around the world while other presidents were in office like Reagan, e.g. Didn't hear you howling then. Benghazi was a tragedy, but not blameworthy. Fox is milking the story just to feed the lizard brains of those who hate the president simply because of the color of his skin.
By June Bug (2597), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 8, 14 7:29 PM
Actually, she's right.

I've told you since day 1 Benghazi was a CIA black op. We should just get y'all a dead horse for Christmas, so you can actually beat one for real for a change.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 9, 14 1:26 AM
This country is a mess. Heck, the world is a mess. We elected these people to fix problems, but the problems got worse. That's the only evidence anyone should need to vote these failures out. No way I vote for Tim Bishop. For all the ills of the GOP, and there are many, I've seen enough of the govern by intent Dems to know that they can't separate theory from practice, and only see the results they desire.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 8, 14 7:23 AM
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people under 30 need to know more government services mean more rules and regulations and less take home pay in there check fore the rest of there lives
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 8, 14 12:02 PM
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That is a Great observation allot of Millennials are fooled after they listen to there collage professor's and some here like Mr z

They leave that factoid along with Unionized legacy costs out of the equation.

Its a shame these kids have to see for themselves what a con game big government is and how it negatively affects people with personal responsibility later in life.
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 8, 14 12:23 PM
People over and under 30 need to learn that there is a difference in "their", "there", and "they're". Elsewise they might look uneducated when trying to advance an opinion.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 8, 14 2:51 PM
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i know the difference silly, just not has up tight about grammar as you, at home raising 3 children there is more important stuff to stress about.
Sep 8, 14 3:04 PM appended by Erin 27 E
and what is Elsewise? just wondering
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 8, 14 3:04 PM
Erin , Why come you care what he thinks , His posts always seem to have a contemptuous High Hat Size tone to them. He just did not like you comment and is doing his best to depreciate you opinions.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 8, 14 3:19 PM
27Dan,
Please respond to my post regarding yours of Sep 4 under the KKK story. Anxiously waiting for you to document your claims.
And yes, I am the only reader here who thinks writing like a 3rd grader is acceptable.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 8, 14 3:50 PM
I already pointed out one time and I think Dan might know of a few more,

HB is no where near close to being part of what you infer is "The Hamptons"Never has been, never will be.
By But I'm a blank!, Sep 1, 14
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 8, 14 5:13 PM
Blank why pick on her at least she is trying to get involved and has an opinion... That is more than I can say for most people her age.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 8, 14 9:01 PM
You can tack "ww" on for good measure. UD has gone "Polly want a cracker" again, and there is a fine line between freedom, and anarchy.

Deprecate, how come, elsewise is a word, irregardless is not, and I agree writing worse than a third grader is not acceptable.
Sep 9, 14 1:35 AM appended by Mr. Z
May I recommend: Levenson Self-Report Psychopathy Scale
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 9, 14 1:35 AM
They Call Me, That was addressed to 27Dan. He posted something on the other thread and I have asked twice that he back it up. I have to assume the lack of response means he fabricated it.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 9, 14 8:09 PM
to double standard, Erin 27 E and Undocumented Democrat:

How embarrassing. The extreme Right-Wing habitually strokes itself without apparently being aware of how distasteful its self-abuse is in the eyes of normal people.

Of course, none of your prejudicial preconceptions can be supported. If the security force detailed to protect the embassy in Benghazi was delayed in its response by the CIA, that was a grievous error. If the CIA is trying to c[over] i[ts] a[*s] by denying ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 8, 14 3:31 PM
High hat is right and why wait until you graduate you should start now and give up half you collage credits to students that partied too much and did not study
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 8, 14 5:00 PM
Hat - I'm not even a Republican, and even less so Extreme right winger. Unlike the indoctrinated, I judge things based on results. If you think the current course is correct, then have a ball and continue on your way. I see a mess. I see failure of leadership. I see hypocrisy on a level that makes the eyes cross. Before the politically correct blanket smothers us all, I claim that America has lost its way due in large part to a President that was never qualified for the office, and a party that ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 8, 14 5:42 PM
The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.

Thomas Sowell
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 8, 14 6:49 PM
I remember making a collage years ago for a current events project. It was kind of fun...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 9, 14 2:08 AM
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BREAKING: "By a vote of 79-18, the Senate just voted to advance a constitutional amendment that would overturn Citizens United. The vote is an historic landmark which demonstrates the overwhelming public support for limiting corporate money in elections. SHARE if you demand money out of politics."


And now "We" watch the Republicans in the House protect their gravy train and **** this up...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 9, 14 12:48 AM
to Captn America:

Only an irrational zealot, totally blinded by faith, could so distort reality.

The truth is that the duplicitous Republicans have absolutely no intention of voting for this bill to be implemented. They do, however, have three underhanded reasons for voting for it to be debated. First, going into the election, they want to position themselves as being ethically committed to fighting "dirty money." Second, they will use it to claim that is an attempt to censor ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 9, 14 1:14 PM
The problem is not too little revenue, but too much spending! A 10% cut across the board would be a start. Eliminating the IRS and going to a flat tax, one rate for all,would be another step in the right direction. How hard is this really?!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Sep 9, 14 6:53 AM
THERE YOU GO ...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 9, 14 8:07 PM
Over 100 billion dollars in corporate welfare is rather excessive...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 10, 14 10:41 AM
Sink or swim capitalism for the masses, insulation from market forces for the "paid to play".

Nice system, if you can afford it...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 10, 14 11:42 PM
Mr. Obama, don't let your own psychology interfere with message you send ISIS
Dr. Keith Ablow
By Dr. Keith AblowPublished September 10, 2014

Mr. President, I know this consult is uninvited. But, Wednesday you will address the nation about the threat ISIS poses to the world.

You must not let your own psychology interfere with the message you send to our mortal enemies.

I believe you feel ambivalent about the decency of America. But if you let that ambivalence ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 10, 14 9:18 AM
to 27dan:

"During the 2012 Republican primary, Ablow wrote a column arguing that Newt Gingrich's three marriages actually made him more qualified to be president. He wrote: 'When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we’ll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we’ll want to let him go after one.' The column was criticized, with Rod Dreher of The American Conservative commenting thusly: 'Oh for ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 10, 14 10:42 AM
Doesn't make what he said this time any less true, Face it this administration has there own agenda and so do you.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 10, 14 11:36 AM
A lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army was refused entry to his daughter’s high school in Rochester today and told that before entering the building, he would have to remove his potentially “offensive” uniform and return to the school in different clothing.
Sherwood Baker, who has served in the Army for 24 years, was reportedly confronted by a security guard at Rochester Adams High School. Baker had just arrived for an appointment to speak with his daughter’s counselor ...more
Sep 10, 14 7:39 PM appended by They call me
The security guard that made that decision and anyone else involved in the decision to disparage military personnel should be fired!
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 10, 14 7:39 PM
The root of the problem lies deep within the embodiment of the teachers union and within the bowels of the universities that are churning out the progressive leftist teachers and administrators.

I can remember in high school there was one teacher who openly extolled the virtues of communism. At that time he was looked at as a kook, which, imo, he was.

Now we fast forward to today and we see this mindset of a collectivist big government nanny state being publicly embraced by ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 10, 14 7:49 PM
Nonsense! The decision to turn away the Colonel was not made by any employee or representative of the school district and was not made in compliance with any policy of the school. A security guard (rent-a-cop) employed by a security firm contracted by the district made a decision backed by absolutely nothing in banning Baker from the facility. The superintendent has contacted the officer, apologized and confirmed no such policy exists. But it sure makes for interesting reading for the feeble ...more
By VOS (1230), WHB on Sep 11, 14 12:33 AM
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Guess you did not see the Ward Churchill interview the other night guess that was just my imagination as well
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 11, 14 4:15 AM
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D.C. Public Schools homework assignment asks 6th graders to compare Bush to Hitler

A D.C. public school gave a sixth grade class a homework assignment that required students to draw comparisons between former President George W. Bush and Adolf Hitler.

The assignment was given out this week at McKinley Tech Middle School in Northeast and has angered parents who complained about the latest progressive teacher outrage.



Sep 11, 14 7:26 PM appended by joe hampton
Educators of this kind should never be standing in front of a captive 6 th grade class room, toxic indoctrination tactics such as this should be punished. .
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 11, 14 7:26 PM
Anyway I am looking forward to this speech in a few minutes, looks like this guy will finally be forced to face facts and act presidential for the first time in 6 years
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 10, 14 8:38 PM
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Yemen and Somalia are successes ?
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 10, 14 9:26 PM
The world laughs at the stupidity of the American people who elected this man/child twice.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 10, 14 10:15 PM
At a White House news conference on July 12, 2007, President George W Bush declared:

“I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we’re ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 11, 14 12:03 AM
Nice point Dan, very nice point

There is no question that Obama is an Islamic sympathizer.The barbaric executions of James Foley and Steven Sotloff, videotaped for all to see, finally made downplaying the ISIS threat politically impossible for Obama.
Sep 11, 14 4:47 AM appended by They call me
Air power alone will not work, He gave no details who is part of this "broad coalition" His imaginary blue helmet army does not exists
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 11, 14 4:47 AM
History will show that George W Bush was correct on many issues. Barak Hussein Obama will be shown to be the worst president in our history.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Sep 11, 14 3:42 AM
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"Holy hyperbole, Batman!!!"
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 8:34 AM
That's onomatopoeia.

Thanks for playing...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 12, 14 1:27 AM
In the fullness of the moon, the Right-Wing crazies come out to howl as a pack.

Of course (and as usual), none of your outré opinions can be substantiated, particularly They call me's truly lunatic notion that the president is an Islamic sympathizer.

We are glad, though, that you are all so forthcoming. By taking such glee in the repeated parading of exemplars of your extremist dementia, you warn normal people off of other ignorant opinions of yours that might appear credible ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 11, 14 8:19 AM
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lol, if you say so mr hat,


nice find dan i agree with you all,

I miss president bush :(
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 11, 14 9:51 AM
Hang on the wheels are coming off the bus *&^%^@@#!**

The Humbling of a President - Daniel Henninger, Wall Street Journal

Obama's Coalition of the Willing & Unable - Jeff Shesol, The New Yorker

The JV President - Scott Johnson, Power Line

PEACE PRIZE PREZ DECLARES WAR....

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic.

Maher vs. Charlie Rose: To Claim Islam Is Like Other Religions Is Naive And Wrong

Yes, ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 11, 14 9:39 AM
Nobel creates fortune via dynamite.

Hands out "Peace Prize"...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 5:09 PM
The President's "no boots on the ground" edict reeks of politics. Leaders commit whatever resources are needed to complete a mission. Acting as the Iraqi and Kurd air force does nothing but guarantee a prolonged, inefficient campaign. Just like his postponement of amnesty to protect democrats in the mid-terms, he once again goes politics over practical. The Democrats deserve a smack down for their support of this president. Mr. Zeldin, I'm sending you a check today.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 2:09 PM
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More directly related to the topic, I interviewed 9 people this week for a PT job. Most common theme, "I have to work 2 PT jobs because I can't find FT employment." Why's that? Hmmmmm, couldn't be the ACA, right? Mr. Bishop just loved that ACA.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 2:13 PM
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Or maybe it's the pillaging medical industry ripping off hard working Americans, which was some of the reason for the legislation in the first place.

If the industry wasn't raping people and robbing them blind at their most vulnerable, there would have been no need for an ACA.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 4:39 PM
Right, and the ACA fixed that? You need to go talk to some small business owners. Everyone is so quick to excuse result because of intent. Nothing is fixed. The ACA is a horror show. It will get worse. Thanks, Tim Bishop for the help. Now please go away.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 5:17 PM
And, who wrote the ACA?

Industry lobbyists, and their pet congresspeople.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 10:39 PM
to double standard:

Quote:

"The President's "no boots on the ground" edict reeks of politics."
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- or - it reflects the president's agreement with the opinion of the overwhelming majority of all Americans that the future of Iraq isn't worth a single additional American amputee bouncing along on spring steel legs because of our participation in a war that was a colossal mistake from the ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 11, 14 3:50 PM
Hat - he's the PREZ EEE DENT. Inheriting problems comes with the job. At this time, it's not a matter of if we should have gone, it's a matter of what we do with the mess now. Leadership isn't making excuses, basing decisions on politics above results, covering your butt after you said stupid things. Leadership is making the right decision regardless of if it is popular or not. We have the capacity to beat the heck out of ISIS. Do it, and do it with overwhelming force. He's called The Commander ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 5:14 PM
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In other news, wal-mart profits are down and they have implemented a new dress code. This should generate at least 70 million in profit on the backs of their employees.

Unfettered, unbridled, non-unionized capitalism in action...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 5:06 PM
So don't shop there.
Don't work there.
Tell other to do the same. Supply and demand makes business live or die.
Not a single Walmart employee was hired at gun point. Not one is forced to stay.
Same with the fast food $15 / hour nonsense. Fast Forward a year from now after Amnesty goes full tilt. Welcome to America, go flip burgers for $15/hr. Don't get used to it though, because we'll be out of business in 3 months.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 5:21 PM
Thats right Capn Crunch and da min wadge should be 25 per hour my man
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Sep 11, 14 7:34 PM
No, local. It should be $50. Actually $75. Let's blow it all up. Let's allow employees to determine the wage. Fill out a card when applying. Scratch that, no application needed. Just work when you want for the wage you want. Walmart is making huge profits, so the rest of the world must be too. Any business, all business = huge profits. We have no enemies. We'll never run out of money. We can support everyone. Vote for Tim. Vote for Hillary. Buy a big house with a big pool. You are making $75/hr ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 8:30 PM
After Wal-Mart moves in and destroys a town's Main St. and a multitude of their small business, there are places where it can be people's only option.

IF minimum wage had been indexed to inflation and productivity, it should be at least $20 per hour. The numbers don't lie, and have been calculated by multiple researchers.
Sep 11, 14 10:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
And no, I don't shop there. Never have, and never will unless they start respecting their employees. Your argument is the usual, simple minded, conservative tripe.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 10:30 PM
And, when you go to a retail establishment, do you expect qualified help? Some people simply DO NOT have the faculties to achieve more than these simple occupations. Does that mean they should be condemned to poverty?

Apparently, you believe they should be.

No matter what, you need people to stock the shelves, ring you up, deliver your pizzas, etc., etc., etc....
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 10:37 PM
I'll respond, then I'm going home. This wealthy, simple minded conservative has had enough after a 15+ hour day. Yeah 15+ hour day for the guy that needs to pay employees $20 to start.
You want to kill Main street? Start with $20/hr min wage. That should do it quickly. When inflation goes all mushroom cloud on you, tell me how your $13 Whopper combo tastes. Z, I've enjoyed debating you over the last number of years. In this case, I couldn't agree with you less.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 11, 14 10:51 PM
And no one else puts in 15+ hour days working two, or more jobs?

Ego does not suit you, and the price increases you quote are ridiculous. Even Harvard economists state that our current state of inequality is not sustainable. Something has to give...
Sep 11, 14 11:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, making a simple minded argument does not make you simple minded. Taking things out of context, and personally isn't healthy.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 11:31 PM
Poll every business owner down whatever main street is closest to your home. Get their opinions on $20 min starting wage. I will bet 80% or more would say it's unsustainable. Talk to real people in the real world who will tell you about the world as it is, as opposed to how you want it to be.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 12, 14 7:04 AM
Yet again, you read your own personal bias into mathematics, and statistics.

It is not sustainable if implemented immediately on a wholesale level. Had the changes been properly, mathematically, and slowly implemented as they should have been it would not be a shock to the system. Trickle down is a failure, has been a failure, and is a proven failure which only works for the few in the immediate vicinity of a coddled microcosm of economics.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 12, 14 11:57 AM
And again, you ignore real life results in favor of the blog du jour. Go talk to business owners. They'll be happy to share what they know. For whatever reason you refuse to accept the effects that bad policy has on small business (not just mine) in favor of theories that just won't fly. You also ignore what a substantial min wage reset would have on other workers. Using your $20 min model, doesn't that mean every existing worker gets a comparative adjustment. Jim was making $16 / hr. Based on the ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 12, 14 12:29 PM
BTW, Z - I support a min wage increase, just not a dramatic jump that will shock the heck out of businesses. In terms of the Walmarts of the world, if they are cranking huge profits, the right thing to do would be introducing a profit share system. Get people motivated and reward their hard work.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 12, 14 12:42 PM
Costco does just what you describe. The Waltons have not, and do not. They are like the aristocrats who got benched in times gone by, not egalitarian citizens of a Republic.

There's what should have been done, where we are, and what we can do. Until the millions who are underpaid and work long hours for little to nothing, the economy will not improve except on the butterfly ink addled "Street".

"I just need some liquidity, know what I'm sayin'?"
[scratches arms and neck ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 13, 14 10:03 PM
In other news, wal-mart profits are down and they have implemented a new dress code. This should generate at least 70 million in profit on the backs of their employees.

Unfettered, unbridled, non-unionized capitalism in action...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 11, 14 5:06 PM
Dan Said

At a White House news conference on July 12, 2007, President George W Bush declared:

“I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we’re ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale.
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 11, 14 7:15 PM
It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish ...more a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean we’d be increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

And it was beautiful.....
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 11, 14 7:16 PM
to double standard:

The president's decision to waste no more American lives in the Middle East morass is an example of effective leadership at its best.

4500 dead, 32,000 wounded and $6 trillion is enough.

How much more of the substance of our nation would you waste on a war that is universally acknowledged to have been a catastrophic mistake?

Moreover, the overwhelming popular support for the president's decision on this question is evidence of its righteousness, ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 12, 14 9:01 AM
Don't let him fool you he knows
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 12, 14 11:22 AM
Hat
"How much more of the substance of our nation would you waste on a war that is universally acknowledged to have been a catastrophic mistake?"

I'll sum it up quickly... We are going to fight ISIS. The president wants to fight ISIS in a limited capacity. That runs counter to the stated goal of defeating this enemy. In short, go there and kill them in the most effective manor, or stay home altogether. Keep politics out of it.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 12, 14 12:20 PM
GREG GUTFELD: If you already hate the president, then you probably hate that speech. Then if you love Obama, you probably didn't watch it anyway, too busy with fashion week. But if this is war, let's dispense with the team sport of politics and support our guy. He didn't say everything I wanted, but dare I say he sounded Presidential. And let's stop insulting the right when acting like them actually saves your rear. So I'm with you Mr. President on these conditions: Islam. Say it...

We ...more
Sep 12, 14 12:30 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
We ...more get it. Not all Muslims are terrorists. But the I in ISIL doesn't stand for igloo. Delinking ISIS from what drives it insults the moderates you seek to address.
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 12, 14 12:30 PM
Again, the recruiting office is on Main St in Riverhead.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 12, 14 11:22 AM
Obama Rejected "Best Military Advice"
CENTCOM Chief Urged Modest Combat Contingent

As he laid out his strategy to combat the Islamic State in both Iraq and Syria, President Obama rejected the “best military advice” of his top military commander in the Middle East.

Quoting two U.S. military officials, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday that Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said “that his best military advice was to ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 12, 14 11:33 AM
Joe why even quote Josh Ernest our very own (Baghdad Bob) the man went to the Joseph Goebbels school of propaganda and deception

at 9/11/2014 03:14:00 PM
Reporter: What Does Victory Against ISIS Look Like? WH Press Sec. Josh Earnest: “I Didn’t Bring My Webster’s Dictionary”

Armature Hour
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 12, 14 11:39 AM
"armature hour"? Really? You cant make this stuff up.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 13, 14 2:51 PM
to Captn America:

Without question American military personnel in Iraq have "skin in the game". You, however, and your bellicose Right-Wing extremist compatriots on this forum (whom I referenced in my post) DO NOT. If US ground troops should return to Iraq as you wish, THEY will suffer death and maiming for life, but you will remain snug in your comfy chair before your computer as you urge them on to greater sacrifice.

"I" don't think that withdrawing American troops was a mistake. ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 12, 14 2:47 PM
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if you say so mr hat, president bush was a better man than you give him credit for

did you ever think that a lasting presence of our military in such a barbaric Regine would help the women and the next generation of children to break the chain of as you put it "some other psychopathic, homicidal Muslim extremist group" from taking their place further down the road.

talk about a war on women. why would you support doing nothing to help?
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 12, 14 3:44 PM
I could not agree more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 12, 14 3:47 PM
Then stay home. I've never seen a President enter a war by stating what we won't do to win it. Then have the Sec of State follow it up with, "It's not a war." This is the friendliest "not a war" I have ever seen. We must be bombing people with flowers and candy. So we will defeat ISIS, the not Islam band of fighters, in a not a war, using overwhelming tactics of extremely limited engagements. Now THAT is a plan!
Are we allowed to comment on that? I mean, did I see the President announce the ...more
Sep 12, 14 3:49 PM appended by double standard
The above for Hat, and the proponents of the friendly not a war.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 12, 14 3:49 PM
JULIE PACE, ASSOCIATED PRESS: to Earnest: Isn't It Ironic Obama Will Use Authorization He Previously Wanted To Repeal?Can I just ask whether you see any irony in using as your legal justification for these airstrikes an authorization for military force (AUMF) that the president himself has called for repeal of?
Sep 12, 14 3:54 PM appended by They call me
obama administration has no idea whether America is ‘at war’ or not In an interview with CNN yesterday, Secretary of State John Kerry was asked, “Is the United States at war with ISIS?” Kerry rebuffed the notion of “war,” calling it the “wrong terminology.” Instead, Kerry dubbed it, “A very significant counter-terrorism operation.” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest also refused to call the effort announced by President Obama Wednesday a “war.” Today, however, Earnest reversed vocabulary, saying the U.S. was indeed “at war” with ISIS. This was backed up by a Pentagon acknowledgement saying the same thing: Amature hour for sure
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 12, 14 3:54 PM
Let me help HHS and phil out,
1 war noun, often attributive
: a state or period of fighting between countries or groups
: a situation in which people or groups compete with or fight against each other
: an organized effort by a government or other large organization to stop or defeat something that is viewed as dangerous or bad
This administration is on the level of a bunch of college debaters - they are playing word games to win speeches and elections, reality comes in a very ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 12, 14 6:06 PM
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And who among you are willing to accept the challenge and go to the recruiting office and sign up? Or are you willing to bring your 17-18 year old son or daughter and urge them to sign up?
Since WWII the 6 males in my family have spent more than 100 years in active/reserve status in the military.
I would break my sons legs before I would let him serve now.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 13, 14 2:54 PM
If you listen to Melissa Harris-Perry you would think it was the NFLs fault not Ray Rice, always the same with her, It wasn't the poor little boy Trayvon Martin who just wanted to get home with his skittles fault... It wasn't Michael Brown the gentle giants fault... PLEASE ENOUGH!

I think those custom earrings she loves to wear are on to tight...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 13, 14 6:57 PM
"Don't preach to us about sacrifice, UD. You gave up that right
When you abandoned your home country and snuck across the border.

Now it's just a matter of time until you abandon this country."

What a lousy, mean spirited post. Disgusting even from you.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Sep 13, 14 7:40 PM
MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell and NBC’s “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd argued that America’s Arab allies don’t trust the president on Friday’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports. also said Obama losing support among Woman, Millennials and Latinos

Three essential groups that formed part of obama’s voting coalition are slipping away from him, according to a new Washington Post/ABC News poll: Women, young voters, and Latinos.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 12, 14 4:26 PM
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Yo Dan!,

Come on, bro, I am still waiting for you to post the executive order number you so eloquently spoke of on the other thread. Pending no response, I can assume you fabricated the story?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 13, 14 3:05 PM
Thanks Cap,

Its all out there for him to research for himself and he might just learn the truth along the way ;)
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 13, 14 7:05 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 13, 14 7:34 PM
Thank you again but you are missing the point.

I do not want to argue with anyone one this board I just want you to see for yourself what is going on.If he was forced to do his own research he would find very scary stuff like the following.

Obama’s first act as President EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 banning release of any of his records.

If had not gotten away with that first one, non of the others would have come to fruition.

* Executive Order 10990 allows the ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 13, 14 8:01 PM
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omg, that is some very freighting stuff is all of that real ? what is going on anyway? why would we need all of that? if all of that is true why do we not hear about it on the news?

mr z, cap, joe ???
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 13, 14 8:14 PM
Maybe they know the economy "conservatives" built can easily implode and bring all markets to a standstill.

Sounds like preparation for martial law after a complete breakdown...
Sep 13, 14 10:06 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Fool Me Twice"? I don't think TARP will happen twice. The above listed orders sound like they would help when the **** hits the fan again like it did in 2008. Like Daffy Duck, you can only drop a match down your throat once...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 13, 14 10:06 PM
Z said,

Sounds like preparation for martial law after a complete breakdown

And you ok with this ?
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 14, 14 7:47 AM
When you make a statement, and are asked to cite sources, it is a simple task to do so. There is no laziness involved here, Dan, you're just not up to the task of validating your own posts.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 14, 14 5:20 PM
Yes yes bub, and you do know , don't you, that every President since JFK has signed a similar order within a month of assuming office?
Now please help this feeble old man out with this interweb thing. I cant find the executive order of which you speak, a number please? (if you feel like you are being set up, you're learning)
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 14, 14 5:25 PM
erin says:
omg, that is some very freighting stuff is all of that real ? what is going on anyway? why would we need all of that? if all of that is true why do we not hear about it on the news?

Come on Erin, its on the internet, it HAS to be true!!
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 2:37 PM
erin... Snopes is your friend.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Sep 15, 14 3:59 PM
TCM:

Noting the kind of breakdowns during hurricane Sandy, how bad could things get?

Life is a long climb up, and a fall can be rather quick...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 15, 14 11:51 PM
to double standard:

Contrary to your assertion, I see the administration's action against ISIL as a paradigm for future military responses to psychopathically murderous Islamic groups or states. Hereafter, we should stand off and annihilate these loathsome maniacs with smart bombs and cruise missiles. A few aircraft carriers and missile frigates offshore (and the good ol' B-52 bomber) can render them impotent beyond the borders of their benighted domains while minimizing the exposure ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 13, 14 9:10 AM
Josh Earnest: "The United States Is At War With ISIL"Posted on September 12, 2014

JOSH EARNEST: This is not a situation where it’s the United States against ISIL. The fact is, ISIL has indicated that they’re ready to go to war against the world. And this president — as is expected of American presidents — is stepping up to lead an international coalition to confront that threat, and to deny ISIL a safe-haven. And ultimately this international coalition will be responsible ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 13, 14 9:20 AM
Please don't confuse HHS with facts,

Besides how are we to know if he is joshing us or being Earnest!

Was it really that hard to use the "W" word? I know your polls tell you not use that word or it might upset the purists before the midterms, but playing these semantic games continues to make obama's team look very JV-ish.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 13, 14 9:26 AM
funny
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 13, 14 8:16 PM
Hat - then do so without announcing it. Tactically speaking, better to surprise with such a campaign, no? Why broadcast your intentions and give your enemy the opportunity to move, hide, create a human shield, etc.
Unfo, I don't trust (mostly because our military doesn't trust) the indigenous fighters to go toe to toe with ISIS. It's a mess. We have to decide if it is our mess. The President says it is, so do it right.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 15, 14 7:41 AM
to Undocumented Democrat & joe hampton:

Sure, we're at war with ISIL, A-Queda, narcotraffickers and any number of other groups. However, proclaiming such wars doesn't mean that we're going to mount a military invasion of wherever they operate. The use of the word "war" in these instances is metaphorical to indicate the intensity of our opposition and of our resolve. Right-Winger are trying to finesse the metaphorical meaning so as to equate a "war" (metaphorical) on ISIL with the Bush ...more
Sep 13, 14 10:11 AM appended by highhatsize
... from Iraq was premature and that President Obama's authorization of air strikes is equivalent to restarting the Bush War. Obvious, inept and crude, three hallmarks of the Right-Wing.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 13, 14 10:11 AM
Mr Z, I know you have been waiting for the final chapter of the Atlas Shrugged trilogy, your wait ends this weekend "Atlas Shrugged: Who Is John Galt?" has hit the big screen see you there!
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 13, 14 7:12 PM
As Matt Taibbi so aptly put it (paraphrasing):

"No writer should subject ANYONE to 75 pages of literal curly Qs. Heck, Jesus Christ barely cracked a page and a half with the Sermon on the Mount."

She's full of ****, and y'all eat it up.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 13, 14 10:19 PM
You should check out "Galt's Gulch of Chile".

Seems like the favorite act of an average "Libertarian" is fraud.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 16, 14 10:00 AM
President Obama plans to legaliz millions of illegal imigrants by granting refugee status to people coming to the U.S. un lawfully from Honduras, Guatamala and El Salvador even though they shouldn’t qualify, the president’s strategy will have a devestating impact on workers in the black community.

We must not do this we have enough un fair competion from Illegals already.
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Sep 13, 14 10:45 PM
Dan Said

At a White House news conference on July 12, 2007, President George W Bush declared:

“I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we’re ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale.



By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 14, 14 12:27 AM
It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish ...more a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean we’d be increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

And it was spot on.....



By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 14, 14 12:28 AM
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Its no lye to try and rid the world of the scourge of twisted misogynistic cave dwelling Islamic extremist terrorist murderers. some of us want yhem gone.

this philosophy is barbaric, why don't you and hillary denounce it as such instead of pretend its not what it is the real war on women and the next generation
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 14, 14 7:22 AM
Dan also said,

Thank you again but you are missing the point.

I do not want to argue with anyone one this board I just want you to see for yourself what is going on.If he was forced to do his own research he would find very scary stuff like the following.

Obama’s first act as President EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 banning release of any of his records.

If had not gotten away with that first one, non of the others would have come to fruition.

* Executive ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 14, 14 7:42 AM
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They call me, where did you copy and paste that from? Your failure to look anywhere other than right wing sites has blurred your mind. ALL of which you posted is a complete lie. Indeed EO 13489 was signed by President Obama. As it was by many of his predecessors. The rest is BS. EOs are signed in numerical order. Its OK if you feel foolish, so does 27Dan, erin, etal for believing you.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 14, 14 5:30 PM
That was 2007. When would YOU have the troops leave?
After the commanders on scene advised the President that it was time to do so?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 2:26 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Would that there were a way for the armchair soldiers herein who believe that ground forces should be deployed to volunteer their services." - me
-------------------------------------------------------

"Right-wing extremist with partisan dementia Cptn America reporting for duty." - Captn America
-------------------------------------------------------

Good on you, Captn!

Your will be glad to learn that you CAN join the ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 14, 14 8:05 AM
Or you can just wait for them to come to us and save the airfare
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 14, 14 8:12 AM
to 27dan:

God forbid!

I invite you and everyone else on this forum who supports redeploying ground forces to join Captn. America and put your bodies on the line to forestall this frightening eventuality.

Let none imply that you don't have the courage of your convictions.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 14, 14 8:57 AM
President Obama announces the friendly war. Kerry says it's not a war. We comment on the confusion and question the tactics. Hat says we have no right to do so unless we put on soldier boots.
Liberal logic.
Can I apply the same logic?
The imaginary war on women is at it's peak. Hat, Phil and the Liberal Hit Squad can only comment on it if they are wearing stockings and pumps.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 14, 14 10:08 AM
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to all the real men on this board, thank you for all you do, and if they do ever come here again or the system does ever god forbid collapse, I know you will be protecting us with your lives if necessary.
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 14, 14 11:42 AM
to double standard:

I have never suggested that one has to fight in the newest Iraq War before one has the right to comment on its propriety. All I have said is that one who professes himself ready to go into combat thereat should DO SO when presented with the opportunity to prove his bonafides.

False profession of virtue is hypocrisy.

to Erin 27 E:

Let us hope so. However, on the evidence of recent posts, the most that you can expect from one such is that ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 15, 14 7:56 AM
After weeks of dithering on ISIS - no strategy, containing them, degrading and destroying them - finally, we are clear eyed. A definitive counter-terrorism campaign against the Islamic state. But not against Islam and not against a state.

So, who are we fighting? Mr. President, why are you so afraid of words?

You scrub national security documents of the word jihad - which is Muslim for "a war against unbelievers".

Why did your CIA director scrub "Islamist" before terrorists ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 15, 14 8:01 AM
When you guys cut and paste, do you read it first?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 11:06 AM
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The rising clamor over beheadings of Americans, and rapidly sinking polls, forced obama to reassure the nation last week he had a plan to deal with the Islamic State.
Most military analysts believe the expanded airstrikes will not be a sufficient soulotion to the terrorist army.
They miss the point. The disjointed speech wasn’t really about terrorism and launching a new war. It was about saving obama’s presidency.
He is sinking fast and could soon pass the point of no return. ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 15, 14 10:29 AM
They call me,
Get together with 27DAN and try to figure how you will explain this one. Especially EO11002 that JFK signed in July 1962. That's the first one, I cant stop laughing at your ignorance, so I am not going on to examine each 50 year old EO signed when the President was 2 years old. You cant make this stuff up. Oh wait, yes you can.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 10:34 AM
This year Obama made good on his promise to use executive action to expand his authority and quietly signed the order called National Defense Resources Preparedness which puts our nation in a permanent state of martial law that only needs to be activated by the President, whenever he should so choose to do so.
The base of the action is the Defense Production Act of 1950 which was created due to the Korean war, however this latest power grab by the president greatly expands on the authority that ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 15, 14 10:52 AM
Nice cut and paste. Now, can you please provide the Executive Order # in regards to the President bringing in hundreds of thousands of Muslims? That was the original point, and all the fog in the world will not change your lies.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 11:03 AM
he supplied you with about 12 references from the net for the post you are referring to last week but they got red inked

i saw them for myself blank, and allot of what they are saying about executive orders is unfortunately absolutely true I'm afraid
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 15, 14 1:51 PM
He supplied numerous references that were all cyberbabble. All he has to post is the number of an executive order which he claims will allow President Obama to bring hundreds of thousands of Muslims to the continental United States. Simple.
If you want to hop on his band wagon Joe, go right ahead. But referring to an EO signed by JFK does not bolster his case or reputation in the least.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 2:21 PM
Once again Dan, very proud of your cut and paste abilities.
Now please, stop being a politician and answer the question. What was the EO # for the one that will flood our shores with hundreds of thousands of Muslims?
And did you catch where you and 'they call me' cited an EO signed by JFK?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 2:23 PM
When Barack Obama starts acting like a real American president and promises to destroy our country’s enemies instead of apologizing to them, you know he's worried about the upcoming midterms. He should be. Conservatives are going to trample the Libs, and it's going to be gloriously devastating to the progressive cause.People have seen enough of the charade!
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 15, 14 5:53 PM
Thank you for that TCM. Now have you looked at your post that made you look so silly?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 6:11 PM
Sunday Obama Job Approval Gallup Approve 41, Disapprove 54 Disapprove +13
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 15, 14 11:02 AM
Where , by the way, have mr z and phill been since all of this started ? The silence is deafening. The librals are trying to avoid a significant split in their party in which the likely anti-action majority will alienate most swing voters right before the mid-terms.
Actually, the they are lucky. If they look bad on this, at least it distracts the public from the on-going train wreck of Obamacare , which affects voters more directly.

Public approval of Obama care / latest poll reports ...more
Sep 15, 14 11:15 AM appended by joe hampton
Public approval of Obama care / latest poll reports ...more / Favor 41, / Oppose 56
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 15, 14 11:15 AM
I've got an idea.

How about you take that massive fortune you've earned via trickle down economics, and run for President?

Better yet, enlist in the army and go to War College.

Maybe someday you can effect significant change in existing cultural and social convention...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 16, 14 11:52 AM
The U.S. Census Bureau reported Tuesday that household income for noncitizens working in the U.S. rose 6.0 percent between 2012 and 2013, 15 X more than the paltry 0.4 percent increase for households led by native-born U.S. workers.

Census said income households led by Illegals, rose 1.7 percent over the same period of time. That’s still about four times higher than the 0.4 percent increase for native born workers.
Sep 16, 14 6:25 PM appended by local 84
See– O’Ilegals get the best jobs.. Ain’t pickin’ fruit and cleaning homes. Theyre working not tax, under the table jobs, and collecting welfare on top. They need to be sent back and get in a 20 year waitn line
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Sep 16, 14 6:25 PM
Texas Sheriff: "Muslim Clothing, Koran Books" Found At Border; "ISIS Cells Active"
Midland County Sheriff Gary Painter said this morning. "There's always a way to get across... So we know that there are Muslims that have come across and are being smuggled into the United States."

Zuckerman on Obama: "I Don't Think We've Lived With Anybody With That Kind Of Record Of Failure"
Sep 15, 14 5:43 PM appended by 27dan
But the failure of the press is even worse it enabled the obama apocalypse in the first place.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 15, 14 5:43 PM
Wow, no kidding?
OK Dan, ball is in your court, still looking for an executive order #
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 6:03 PM
why do you make fun of the situation but i'm a blank ?

i mean really this is getting a little to close to home now, the ny times today reported militants for the islamic state in iraq and syria have traveled to mexico and are just miles from the united states. They plan to cross over the porous border and will “imminently” launch car bomb attacks.and the threat is so real that federal law enforcement officers have been placed at a heightened state of alert
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 15, 14 9:19 PM
Because he is bringing this up only trying to deflect my question I guess.
Sep 15, 14 9:26 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
So I gave in and researched 27Dans latest issue. The Sheriff is right out of central casting in a bad Dom Deluise movie. I find it hard to believe that a Muslim would leave a Quran on the roadside, and someone please tell me what Muslim clothing is? I mean we are to assume that woman in Burkas are hooffing it through the desert? Strangers things have happened I guess.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 15, 14 9:26 PM
i do not understand i thought the president said he was going to destroy isis but i was just reading how he is busy preparing some new global warming initiative for tomorrow and also today he announced he is going to be focusing on eradicating ebola from 3rd world country's and campaigning for the mid terms but no action against islamic terrorists since the administration said we were at war ?
By Erin 27 E (1261), southampton on Sep 15, 14 9:13 PM
There are hearing going on at this minute on US involvement in the ISIS battle. Apparently it will require congressional OK, and those folks want to play a game and wait till after the elections.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 10:40 AM
to 27dan:

Your claim that the president's signing of the order called Defense Resources Preparedness puts our nation in a permanent state of martial law is FALSE, according to Snopes.

Once again, you have made no attempt to authenticate the nonsensical propaganda that you have posted. This particular bit of rubbish isn't claimed by any recognized news site, including even those discredited ones devoted to Right-Wing advocacy. Rather, it is the ignorant blathering of self-published ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 16, 14 2:18 AM
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You and Blank seem scared stiff of the truth I encourage everyone to do there own research on this topic do not let me or them make up your mind,

President Obama has made clear that he’s determined to continue pushing his “progressive” agenda, regardless of constitutional limitations on his power. He aims to have his way by issuing more and more executive orders.

The most ominous sign of possible things to come appeared on March 16, 2012, when President Obama ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 16, 14 5:42 PM
Even if Obama’s 13603 were no different than previous national security executive orders, it’s more worrisome because it was issued by the president who rammed Obamacare and runaway spending bills through Congress, who racked up $5 trillion of debt and surrounded himself with hardcore “progressives” hostile to the private sector and America as we have known it.

In what circumstances, one might ask, would a president try to carry out this audacious plan?

Executive ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 16, 14 5:46 PM
I appreciate your comments and I would not worry about Blank and HHS and Phil they do not like it when you get to close to exposing this fraud, I believe you are more on target than not
. If we examine the intent of the president, who by-passed the vetting policies required by the DNC upon application for a U.S. Presidential candidate, 2x, or his by-passing the vetting policies when he applied as a candidate to be a senator, as well as his ignoring and avoiding Article II, how then can we excuse ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 16, 14 6:01 PM
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Dan,
That says nothing of your claim that the President signed an executive order allowing hundreds of thousands of Muslims into the country.
See, that's the politician in you coming out. I asked one question, and you answered another one.
So at this point, is it fair to say, that you either fabricated the story, or you just blindly followed a blog somewhere?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 7:57 PM
Undocumented, Did you start the cut and paste in the 2nd paragraph?
There are no spelling or grammar errors and that is unlike any of your previous 626 posts.
What does any of that have to do with my simple question of the Executive Order that will allow hundreds of thousands of Muslims into the country.
You are not helping Dan in the least.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 8:01 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 9:16 PM
"Obamadinajad started allowing 80,000 Muslims to immigrate to the United States starting in 2012. Additionally, he has promised to bring a minimum of 100,000 additional Muslims per year, for the next 5 years, 2012-2016. He is doing this by executive order. I just read about how our US Consulates are recruiting Muslims to immigrate to the USA." 27 Dan Sep 4, 1130AM

By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 9:37 PM
This started when 27Dan posted that. I merely asked him for an Executive order #. We have been provided with EOs that JFK signed, EOs that grant President Obama dictator status, but no EO# for this.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 11:50 PM
It would be interesting to take a look at the White House advisers who have the ear of the president. At least 6 are Muslims with connections to the Muslim Brotherhood(the parent of ISIS). There are exactly NO advisers who have ever served in the US military and there are exactly ZERO advisers who have ever held a private sector job. Kind of telling, isn't it?
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 16, 14 5:29 PM
I say down right frightening... If true
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 16, 14 6:12 PM
They Call Me,
Please, for all that is holy, name them and their positions in the White House.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 9:19 PM
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Don't know about Muslim or not but from the beginning he sure as surrounded himself with extreme radical appointees,take a minute to remember his 2008 starting line up, you cant make stuff like this up! and the American people over looked it in 2012 before they would give up there free stuff!

Domestic Policy:
The Regulatory Czar – Cass Sunstein

Sunstein was nominated and approved to be Obama’s “Regulatory Czar.” He supports massive gun control and doesn’t ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 17, 14 12:13 AM
Here are a few more incase you have not already puked

Carol Browner

Browner previously served as head of the EPA during the Clinton regime where she advocated incredibly stupid environmental regulations that destroyed entire industries. At a time when America is losing jobs in record numbers, she is precisely the right person for the Obama job-killing machine. Browner is a socialist and was picked by Socialist International to be one of 14 leaders of a group it created called the ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 17, 14 12:14 AM
Once again, Dan, I asked one question and you answered another.
Ready to admit you were wrong on the EO?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 14 12:34 AM
to 27dan & Undocumented Democrat:

Behold the pernicious effect of zealous belief on rationality. Despite the fact that the article of your faith is shown by impartial analysis to be false, you nevertheless repeat it, denying reality in the service of True Belief.

"Despite claims that the executive order provided the President with unprecedented new powers such as declaring martial law, seizing private property, implementing the rationing of food, gasoline, and drugs, restarting ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 16, 14 6:24 PM
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So you condone the idea the government can take all that you have, and make you work for them in the middle of any crisis?

You would want to be out on the roads when the SHTF? You wouldn’t want to stay home and, take care of your own family?

You would give up your food that you have for your family? Where do you think obama will be when this is all going on? Where do you think his family will be?

There isn’t one word about compensation to the people, that ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 16, 14 6:44 PM
I have been browsing through what you all have written in the last few days and I must say, it is quite disturbing that some of you are so comfortable with the seizure of all rights and property in times of crisis. It sounds very Orwellian and yet almost seems welcomed by some in here. Makes you wonder
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 16, 14 6:52 PM
And its all true widow, you saw it here on the internet.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 9:16 PM
SO if you believe that to be true, UD, what are you doing about it?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 14 9:18 PM
As long as the "People" are the government, the work should contribute to the betterment of the Commonwealth.

Unless you have an Oligarchy...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 17, 14 11:36 PM
to Undocumented Democrat & widown gavits:

You are afraid of a chimera, raised up by silly and malicious Right-Wing bloggers to frighten the credulous.

"Note what this EO specifically orders: identify, assess, be prepared, improve, foster cooperation. NONE OF THESE ITEMS CLAIM AUTHORITY TO SEIZE PRIVATE PROPERTY and place them at the personal disposal of Obama." [emphasis added]

- snopes
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 17, 14 1:42 AM
Chris Hayes: President Obama Declared War Today, On Ebola, Thats the second time he declared war in a week. does he have a strategy for this one?
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 17, 14 10:11 AM
Turn off the power at the EPA! (And leave it off.)

Today EPA official Janet McCabe was explaining the agency’s plan to curb carbon emissions…and then the power went out as she was speaking, lol

The US energy industry has been warning for years that the obama EPA’s caps on carbon emissions will lead to several bad outcomes for Americans, including skyrocketing energy prices and even brownouts and blackouts. Guess she was making a point
By They call me (2795), southampton on Sep 17, 14 1:40 PM
They call me,
You may have missed it, but I asked you for names and titles to the Muslims in the White House. Help me out, I did my research and cant come up with anything.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 14 3:10 PM
Guess your not a very good researcher then are you,

Valerie Jarrett is the most powerful figure in the White House, rivaling President Obama in the scope of her influence over the fate of the Republic.She was born in Shiraz, Iran in November 1956,

Huma Abedine, executive secretary for Sec. Hillary Clinton had direct ties to AL Quiada, Hezbollah and Hamas. Her father and brothers were upper tier AL Quiada and her mother was "president" of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off shoot of the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 17, 14 10:13 PM
You Sir, are in dire need of help.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 14 11:33 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

After libeling Muslims connected to the government by inference and innuendo (but without the slightest evidence of wrongdoing) simply because they are Muslims, the utter insanity of the author stands revealed in the final paragraphs:

"[The] Muslim brother hood pushed [President Obama's] ascension both financially and physically. He came to our land and seen the one sided leen to blacks(?)."

"[President Obama] has pressed hard against anything ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Sep 18, 14 10:02 AM
Gov. Brownback’s Kansas Latest Example Of GOP Economics FAIL
Published On September 16, 2014 | By Bob Rowen

"This just in, GOP economics don’t work.

Nowhere is this clearer than in conservative Kansas where GOP Governor Sam Brownback has presided over a veritable test bed of Tea Party policies including the largest income tax cut in state history. Now Brownback’s reelection bid is in trouble. In reliably red Kansas where every state-wide office is held by ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Sep 18, 14 12:43 AM
maybe its time to cut some programs huh?
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 18, 14 7:37 AM
1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.
2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.
3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.
4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.
5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
6. They have things that people in other countries only dream ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 18, 14 8:39 AM
How many of that "half" are seniors collecting Social Security? How many are vets receiving their due? How many are federal retirees receiving their due?
It ain't all welfare money dude.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 18, 14 1:25 PM
Not in need of help just feed up with the double standards and the media refusing to report on these peoples radical past
By Undocumented Democrat (2038), southampton on Sep 18, 14 7:35 AM
Where is Fox when you need them?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 18, 14 1:16 PM
to UD - haven't you herd ?
The boots are not boots. The Islamists are not Islamic. The war is not a war.

Despite all of the double talk about obama’s still-unnamed military action against the Muslim extremists who are building a new nightmare state across the Syria-Iraq border, liberals are growing very anxious that obama will further escalate his unwilling role in the conflict. The NY Times today expresses no confidence that the president will honor his promise to not commit ...more
Sep 18, 14 7:54 AM appended by joe hampton
To them, the truth is, it's about politics. It's about containing this issue politically, for them, so they can focus on fundamentally transforming America, The generals and the military see this quite differently than our very political president, who really doesn't seem interested in defeating this enemy,
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Sep 18, 14 7:54 AM
I want to congratulate the extreme right wingers here. Based on the latest polls, the election for the 1st Congressional District is over. Why one would wonder.
Pretty easy to see that Lee Zeldin played to you for the primary. Then he forgot to move a bit to the center for this CD. He continues to play to you, and there are far too many independent thinkers here. They may not be in love with Mr. Bishop, but they are in no way interested in being responsible for sending a Tea Party guy to Washington. ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 18, 14 1:21 PM
Ill save that one for post election day postings. Along with the ones from your crew for the last 1st CD race.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 19, 14 2:37 PM
One third of the U.S. population is receiving aid from at least one welfare program. There are 80 so-called means tested welfare programs currently available to low income folks. In some states people on welfare receive more than $40,000 a year in services. That means the poor have purchasing power and 75 percent of them have a car or a truck; 92 percent a microwave oven, 67 percent cable or satellite TV; 50 percent have a personal computer; 43 percent Internet access; 40 percent a wide screen ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 19, 14 9:28 AM
One third of the U.S. population is receiving aid from at least one welfare program. There are 80 so-called means tested welfare programs currently available to low income folks. In some states people on welfare receive more than $40,000 a year in services. That means the poor have purchasing power and 75 percent of them have a car or a truck; 92 percent a microwave oven, 67 percent cable or satellite TV; 50 percent have a personal computer; 43 percent Internet access; 40 percent a wide screen ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 19, 14 9:28 AM
Capt America, 27Dan, UD, TCM,
You guys need to open your eyes, read some sites that don't cater to your wants and desires.
Look at the other side for a bit and then offer opinions.
You are so into the right wing parade you cant see the forest for the trees and do little to attract free thinkers to your side of the table.
27Dan, got that EO # yet?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Sep 19, 14 2:40 PM
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