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Jun 28, 2012 4:12 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Hospitals And Bishop Applaud Supreme Court Ruling; Altschuler Vows To Work For Repeal

Jul 3, 2012 6:10 PM

Perhaps not surprisingly, the Supreme Court’s 5-4 vote on Thursday upholding most of President Barack Obama’s landmark health care reform was greeted warmly in the East End medical community and with mixed reactions from East End congressional candidates.

The court largely let stand the Affordable Care Act that called for the creation of a nationwide insurance system that would greatly lower the number of Americans who lack coverage.

One main issue was the so-called individual mandate, which would require all Americans to get health insurance or pay a fine. The Obama administration said the mandate is necessary to fix flaws in the insurance market as well as to allow those with “pre-existing conditions” to get insurance. Republicans, on the other hand, claimed the health care reform, which they often refer to derogatorily as “Obamacare,” would be an unconstitutional expansion of federal power.

The decision did restrict one big piece of the overhaul, however, and that was the expansion of Medicaid, the government health-insurance program for people within certain income limits. The court’s ruling allows states some leeway not to expand their Medicaid programs without paying the penalties that would have been required under the overhaul.

Southampton Hospital officials this week forwarded information that the court decision makes it possible to extend health insurance coverage to 32 million Americans.

In a phone interview last Thursday, shortly after the ruling, Robert Chaloner, the CEO of Southampton Hospital and the new spokesman for the East End Health Alliance–which comprises Peconic Bay Medical Center in Riverhead and Eastern Long Island Hospital in Greenport, expressed optimism with the court’s action. He is the new spokesman by virtue of his chairmanship title on the alliance’s CEO Council, a position that rotates every two years.
“Number one, I’m just glad there’s closure to the issue because the uncertainty when you’re trying to plan is very, very difficult,” he said. “so I’m glad that there’s settlement and that we can move forward.”

He said he is confident and happy that certain aspects of health care, such as the need for providers to continue to reduce costs, for doctors and hospitals to become more affiliated with one another and for the computerization of health records, will continue.

“If the decision results in more people getting insurance and coverage, I think that’s a good thing,” Mr. Chaloner said, but also expressed a note of caution.

“There’s a lot of complexity still. We have to watch how it plays out over the next couple of years,” he said. “But the thing I feel good about is I think we’re taking the right steps here locally.”

East End Congressional candidates also weighed in on the decision.

Democratic U.S. Representative Tim Bishop issued a statement saying the decision, which upholds the so-called “individual mandate” requiring most Americans to buy health insurance or pay a fine, “compels us to finally put aside the political wrangling over the Affordable Care Act and move forward to fully implement reforms that will control costs while improving quality of care.”

He said the reform will allow Americans to have secure and affordable coverage regardless of pre-existing health conditions, age, gender or employment status. “I call on my colleagues to work in a bipartisan manner to address the challenges facing our economy and abandon the symbolic effort to repeal a law that was fully debated in Congress and has been deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court.”

But Republican Randy Altschuler, who is looking to unseat Mr. Bishop in November, issued a statement saying he strongly disagrees with the ruling, cited it as a reason to oust Mr. Bishop, and pledged to work for repeal of the measure. “President Obama and incumbent Washington politician Tim Bishop must be held accountable this November for forcing Suffolk County’s working families, small businesses and seniors on a fixed income to shoulder the $500 billion in tax increases and $500 billion in Medicare cuts in this law that will further cripple our economy and slow job creation,” his statement said. “Now, more than ever, if you want to change Congress, you need to start by changing your congressman.”

Mr. Altschuler suggested enabling insurance companies to compete across state lines and allow small businesses to pool together to buy health care for their employees.

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Captn America, where do you get YOUR health coverage from? Have you ever had a claim?
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 5:58 PM
Hey don't forget that they make you buy care insurance...or if you have a mortgage...home insurance.....
Get over it!!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 5:41 AM
The government can't tell us what to buy, but they can sock us with a "tax" if we don't.

Alternative headline:

"Chief Justice Roberts gets libs to gut Obamacare from the inside out."
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Jun 28, 12 6:32 PM
It's very funny that Tim Bishop wants to create jobs. This healthcare bill will send more jobs over seas than any other. Thanks Tim
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:04 PM
Typical bs liberal answer. "Oh, I'm so much smarter than you". What a crock. The SC did us a foavro by upholding it. This will prove to be Obama's undoing come November. So you know exactly what is in this law? Funny, Pelosi didn't.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:29 PM
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I asked you a question. What do you know about this law that no one else seems to know? Enlighten us. Tell me why a majority of the country dislikes Obamacare.

Republicans have plenty to run on. Economy, unemployment, deficit... Should I go on?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:40 PM
What facts am i ignoring?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:45 PM
I know, we should ask Nancy Pelosi.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jun 29, 12 7:53 AM
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Every poll I have seen shows that it is about a 60%/30%/10% split in relation to the ruling (against/for/undecided).
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 29, 12 11:48 AM
who are you? It is unbelievable that you seem to believe these things. It is scary that anyone in the USA believes these things. Obama has done a great job of promoting distrust and misinformation between Dems and Reps. It is tragic that you - and probably more like you - can be so venomously misinformed. How easy it seems to have been to have got you to this fantasy place.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Jul 12, 12 1:37 PM
Within 7 hours of the ruling being issued, the Romney campaign had taken in $2 million dollars.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:48 PM
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Huh? You been drinkin again?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:57 PM
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This Supreme Court decision will be the COMPLETE undoing of the Democrats. The House Republicans have already scheduled a vote for July 9th to repeal, in total, Obamacarenewtax. Timmy will obviously vote against repeal. That runs against 59% of the people in his district - one more nail in the coffin. You can add that to the rising unemployment rate in Timmy's district, the decision by Obama to ice ICE, the stock market that will plunge as we approach election day, and on and on and on and it ...more
By formertbm (76), east hampton on Jun 28, 12 10:39 PM
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Any questions?
Jun 28, 12 11:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 12 11:11 PM
I almost forgot.

Are the monster due yet, on Maple St.?

Oh, do I love Rod Serling's work...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 28, 12 11:52 PM
Timmy must have read the revised CBO numbers showing the cost of the bill. These numbers include the anticipated increase in taxes on the middle class and rise in premiums. The only people benefiting from this are the free loaders. Timmy reminds me of a broke Paris Hilton with a credit card.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 6:06 AM
And the productive members of society have to pay the bill for it!
I hope L'il Timmy has the guts to debate Randy, how can he defend his position on Obamacare and Amnesty for Illegals? You can't make this stuff up!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 29, 12 6:52 AM
ObamaCare is a TAX, the Supreme Court validated it because the government has the right to tax. It is a tax increase to middle class Americans which Obama said he would not do. Both Obama and Bishop who supported a TAX Increase are not to be trusted to look after the middle class. If you are a free loader, it is a win for you. Vote both Obama and Bishop out in November.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Jun 29, 12 6:54 AM
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Now we need to send the Outsourcing millionare back to New Jersey.
Show him that he cannot buy a Congressional seat in NY-1!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 8:09 AM
1. The CBO revised numbers in March show the total bill will cost 2.6 trillion.
2.Obama promised to lower the bill by 2500 per family per year. An analysis by the CBO shows the cost will INCREASE by 2,100.
3. Obama said he would not support a bill that arrives from congress that is not controlling costs. Chief Medicare actuary Richard Foster stipulated that Obama care will increase health care expendetures by 311 billion over the next 10 years.
4. Obama said flat out (numerous times) ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 8:25 AM
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Affordable Care Act:
Affordable for who? Paid for by who? Mandated by the Govt.
Again, mandated by the govt simply because you exist!!!
What is fixed?

This is a victory? I don't think so. This is nothing more than an opportunity to scream "my side beat your side" while losing sight of the fact that healthcare is still not fixed. So many are so willing to eat the garbage they are presented with and then ask for seconds. What is fixed???
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 8:32 AM
I didn't lose anything, Phil. That's the difference between you and me, I don't see politics as a sporting event. I see issues and judge them based on right and wrong, good and bad. I don't have a side. You simply can't grasp that as you are so in bed with "your side" that you have forgotten how to think on your own.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 9:33 AM
Negative. I've always been in favor of healthcare reform. 100% in favor of it. I was hoping for something that was going to make things more affordable. I'd never support a plan that mandated participation. Try again.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:13 AM
Seriously, what are you talking about? Phil, making stuff up doesn't make an argument. Enjoy the fact that "your side won" and continue to miss the big picture. Just please promise me to open both eyes when you are driving. I don't want you to hurt anyone.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:30 AM
Seem like good posts to me. What's your point exactly?
And while you are cut and paste happy, go luck up President Obama's quotes re. a healthcare mandate prior to Obamacare. Please paste that in here and chew on your shoe in the process.
You are so selective with what you read. It has to fit your preconceived opinion. You are funny, Phil. I always enjoy our little chats.

"This message board is really a microcosm of what is going on w/ our fed govt.
2 sides screaming and insulting ...more
Jun 29, 12 10:53 AM appended by double standard
Should read "look up" not "luck up" Please do that. See what Obama had to say about the mandate. It's eye opening.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:53 AM
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I didn't say he did. What did he say about that mandate though?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:09 AM
Look it up, Philly. I have to go make some money now. We'll pick this up another time. Let me know what you find on that madate thingy. It's a regular knee slapper.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:11 AM
This a rather unfortunate turn of events, a sad and disappointing day that will mark a pivotal point in our nations history and not one for the better.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 8:36 AM
Like Medicaid?
Like Social Security?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:11 AM
Like medicaid: going bankrupt.
Like Social Security: going bankrupt.
Obamacare: $650 billion in new taxes, yay!

Phil: thank you for your view, it is nice to know that you think the time I put into charities and my gifts are as worthless as the taxes I pay and are contributions to society.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 11:50 AM
greenspan greenspan greenspan.

why is social security going broke? gross fiscal negligence. there is no trust. all that money was spent on tax cuts, a war, and 20 years of deficit spending.

they are all corrupt, regardless of the party. the longer you let them divide us, the longer it will take to set things right.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 30, 12 8:41 PM
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Hey, wingnuts, you lose! Now go back to your mommys' basements and watch the world pass you by!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:32 AM
Who won? Describe this victory to me? Was there popcorn and appropriately sized soda?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 9:35 AM
Ha. Keep following, Phil. The world needs more sheep.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 9:51 AM
quite a zinger there.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:30 AM
Randy wants to save healthcare and tax breaks for the rich and American jobs for Pakistanis
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 29, 12 10:36 AM
Yeah, Philly. We all know that you are way beyond party talking points.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 30, 12 11:19 AM
Rush Limbaugh is a blowhard. The first part of your post made me giggle.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 6:59 AM
Rush got tossed off the air in Philly. His market share keeps shrinking so advertising costs less and many advertisers are jumping ship.He's losing in every direction
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jul 1, 12 8:15 PM
Folks, look up Obama's views on a healthcare mandate before Obamacare. There are a number of delightful youtube tidbits to choose from.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:02 AM
“[W]e established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance,” Romney wrote in a 2009 USA Today op-ed. “Using tax penalties, as we did … encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 29, 12 12:41 PM
Why am I not surprised that there are well over 100 comments in this thread already? Big issue, very important to both pros and anti's. Thing is, most people aren't paying attention, but when they do, there will come a vague realization that the law is better for them than otherwise, and they'll trend toward Obama and Bishop on that basis.

As a partisan, I'm cheering long and loud, but for the bulk of the people, it's just not a big thing, much as it should be.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jun 29, 12 6:54 PM
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Freedom, and anarchy are indeed two different things.

Thanks for that post...
Jun 29, 12 6:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
I mean, "trickle down economics" has worked like a charm, hasn't it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 29, 12 6:58 PM
Barclay's identified in fixing of international banking interest rates (LIBOR).


Or, do you subsist on it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 29, 12 6:55 PM
Radical Right Wing Randy, the NJ Carpetbagger, wants insurance for the super rich only. He cares little about college graduates who, under his plan, would no longer be insured under their parent's policies. He also wants to raise the interest rate on student loans and eliminate birth control coverage for women.

Right Wing Randy would like to turn the East End into his favorite place, India, where he ships jobs and millions of people, except the super rich, are without health care.

Stop ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jun 29, 12 7:05 PM
America. Where our millionaires are jealous of the people on food stamps
By DJ9222 (85), southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:11 PM
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Oligarchy is a term popularly defined on the verge of perception.

When exploitaion defines "freedom" in your society...

How truly lawful is it?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 29, 12 9:00 PM
Justice Thomas says it's not a mandate, it's a tax and the fed govt has the right to tax. Obama Admin says it's not a tax it's a penalty.Wait, I thought it was a mandate. No wait, I thought it was a tax. Maybe it's all a pile of garbage? Yeah that's it. Garbage!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 30, 12 11:22 AM

Guess that makes him a good Demokrat.

Pile on the debt, crush business tax the daylights out of the ones who provide jobs.

By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jun 30, 12 11:46 AM
Randy should be run out of NY-1.....
He made millions Outsourcing godd American jobs to India.
Shame on you for supporting such a man!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jun 30, 12 2:20 PM
Tell us bf, what does it mean for your society when 87% of it splits half the earned income in a fiscal year amongst approximately 210 million people? It definitely means that the other 50% of the nation's income is split among about 30 million people.

That kind of disparity IS MADNESS.

Your boy Randy is sponsored by a pair of brothers who make a despot look preferable. They are so "free market", their company is privately held, and not traded on Wall St. I hope for this nation's ...more
Jul 1, 12 12:43 AM appended by Mr. Z
Just so you know, Pittburgh's water is now radioactive because of "fracking". Yes, a radioactive form of Radium has now contaminated groundwater in Pennsylvania, and Ohio thanks to companies like Koch Industries. Don't worry, once they are in the bottled water market, I'm sure they'll give you a discount for your loyalty...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 12:43 AM
"87% of it splits half the earned income in a fiscal year amongst approximately 210 million people"

What's the solution?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 7:47 AM
A complete change in societal convention, and social conscience. Regulation, and enforcement of the laws on the books, the repeal of Gramm-Leach-Bliley, and the repeal of the Commodities futures modernization Act. The end of "self-policing" in the finance and industry sectors as well. In other words, lawful freedom instead of raging, indifferent, selfish, egotistical, self-interested, self-entitled anarchy.


I found the Federal Reserve "Changes in U.S. Family ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:44 PM
I understand your point about repealing G/L/B, but in all honesty I have no opinion on CFMA as I never even heard of it until you posted it. So I guess you are no fan of prez Clinton?
My question is if the big financial players contribute to campaigns, then favors are owed. Wealth = power and we don't have either. I doubt those who do are looking to give either away.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 6:48 PM
I do respect Clinton to a point, he has some solid achievements under his belt, but I find it hard to get past the Rose law firm issues, "Troopergate", Vince Foster, and of course the whole Lewinsky deal. They don't call him "Slick Willie" for nothing. But he got snowblinded by "The Committee to Save the World" much like many others.

Money is the lowest common denominator which drives the function of our society. To find the problem, folla' the dolla'. There was a woman named Brooksley ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 8:29 PM
You are a smart guy, you should start a blog. You seem like a man without a party or representation. I empathize. Randy or Tim- I choose pizza. Obamacare or logical and affordable healthcare reform - I choose to voice my opinion and then go for pizza. In the end you can fight the man or save your energy for the things you can control. Well maybe fighting the man a little bit is fun sometimes. Pizza is always great though.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 10:07 PM
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I like pizza.

Especially brick oven pizza...
Jul 2, 12 5:46 AM appended by Mr. Z
I didn't have much time this morning, and it's been a lovely just shy of 12 hour day. I'll think about the blog, social media has gained a foothold in our society. "We" really need to stand up for ourselves and our neighbors. There geuninely are a whole lot of respectable, honorable, hard working people who just aren't making it these days. Plus, they aren't all high school dropouts, drug addicts, single parents, or unwed mothers either. Too many people are a lost paycheck, or medical emergency away from fiscal disaster who don't deserve to be. The only way to stop what's wrong is to stand up, and be heard to right it. Easier said, than done...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 2, 12 5:46 AM
Easier said than done is correct. The problem is that those who are standing up actually hurt the cause and are so polarizing, ie. Occupy and Tea. There are so many problems and so many abuses that I fear it will only change when things decay to the point where there is no longer a choice. Is that where we are headed? I hope not, but just being an average middle class guy with a family is getting harder and harder. I literally can't work any more than I already do. The only thing I ask from my ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 6:33 AM
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You're not the only one who feels the fear of just where the bottom is, and what it could mean.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 5, 12 7:19 PM
Why are republicans always appear to be so angry? Don't you ever find happiness in your lives or families. You've probably driven your children away with your bitterness and arcane values. Well live your lives and I'll live mine. I'm happy and appreciate everything God gives me
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jun 30, 12 2:24 PM
Nope. Just tired of supporting others who can't or won't support themselves.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jun 30, 12 10:09 PM
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Well then maybe you should stake out the welfare office and take down the license plate numbers of the beemers...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 30, 12 10:37 PM
If you haven't read "Deadly Spin" by Wendell Potter, I recommend that you do. The full title is: Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans.

As a health care industry former Vice President of corporate communications at CIGNA, he is WELL qualified to speak on the subject.

"Since I walked away as head of communications at a top health insurance company in May 2008, I've worked tirelessly as an outspoken ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 12:33 AM
Do you know how many VP's Cigna has? He's just a bloke looking to make a buck. Probably about as truthful as Keith olberman.

This health care bill is nothing more than an huge expansion of GVT authority.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 7:55 AM
Read the book, then you have the right to claim that.

Otherwise, your opinion is uninformed, uneducated, horse puckey.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:46 PM
I like how being against this law, not healthcare reform, but this particular law, makes you an evil person that wants old people want to die and women's ovaries to explode. The drama is so absolutely entertaining in the most ridiculous of ways.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 7:04 AM
The bill has 2700 pages. Does Tim, Randy or anyone posting here really know what they are supporting or critizing?
By kpjc (161), east quogue on Jul 1, 12 7:59 AM
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KPJC - I have no want or love for the govt to be involved in my life any more than the bare minimum. History has shown that govt programs are usually horrible. That and it is an absolute over-reach for the govt to mandate (sorry, Justice Thomas) healthcare. To add, the Obama Admin has clearly demonstrated gross ineptitude in matters of economics. The man governs by Ideology over logic, thus displaying a scary ability to force his will down our collective throats. He's already shown that he'll do ...more
Jul 1, 12 10:04 AM appended by double standard
er... judge Roberts
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 10:04 AM
to double standard:

Ridiculous. Do you include national defense in your list of "horrible" govt programs? Of course Congress can mandate healthcare, just as it can mandate food safety. The only ineptitude in economics has been manifested by George W. Bush and his colleagues still in Congress. Had the Democrats been able to pass a stimulus package twice the size of the current one, the economy would now be growing vigorously. The logical mind of President Obama is perhaps his most ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 1, 12 10:54 AM
Did I say all govt programs are failures? Are you looking forward to your fair sure of Social Security? You cherry pick National Defense. Do you think Natl defense is run properly? Yeah, no waste there at all. Saying Obamacare "is not perfect, but at least we got something done" with a law of this size, with the amount of dollars attached to it is moronic. Equating food safety to a healthcare mandate equally moronic. For the billionth time, I'm for healthcare reform, but don't accept "any" plan ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 11:21 AM
Randy would support the law if it mandated that health insurance cover procedures performed in India (transportation included) where high quality medical care is much, much cheaper. By corporate standards, this would be so much more inexpensive and, ergo, preferable.

It would annihilate millions of U.S. jobs in healthcare but just think of how many new ones it would create in the air travel industry (which could themselves be outsourced!) If history repeats, Randy would carve out a ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Jul 1, 12 10:12 AM
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Now your just being a fool uttering complete nonsense
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 1:10 PM
You know, razz, you might be right. And here I was, taking the fool seriously. Thanks for the heads-up.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jul 1, 12 1:30 PM
Nope razz, he was joking.

As usual, you don't "get it"...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:44 PM
Uggh! So boring ... let's just say I'm not a teacher, a town worker, or a cop ...(which is kind of a town worker - although they refuse to believe it - and which "educators" - teachers - certainly shine through on these blogs) and I own(ed) was/am/are self-employed, perhaps I'm even a small business owner who is so sucessful (we'll leave out the word "greedy" or "exploiter" for now) that I employ others, I'm a: builder, print-shop owner, pool company, landscaper, taxi company, deli or grocery ...more
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 1:26 PM
And did I mention - small businesses don't advertise nearly as much in a tanking economy??
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 1:33 PM
Someday soon you just might look at these days as the good old times
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jul 1, 12 8:39 PM
Here is a brief analysis from the data in "Changes in U.S. Family Finances Report". I hope you find it as disturbing as I do. Oligarchy. Pure, and simple.

Magic Act: Making the Super Rich Disappear

"The Federal Reserve has once again counted up America’s personal wealth — and omitted the nation’s 400 richest from the final tally. But the new figures, even with that omission, show a divide still deepening.

By Sam Pizzigati

In the middle ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:53 PM
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So Randy Altschuler wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act that Congress passed and the Supreme Court has just upheld.

So he'd let insurance companies set a dollar limit on the coverage they provide, regardless of how much care the patient needs.

So he'd cut loose young adults (the ones who can't get jobs in the present economy) from their parents' health insurance.

So he'd abandon people with pre-existing conditions to the uninsured crapshoot of their pre-existing ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jul 1, 12 8:16 PM
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So bishop wants obamacare. A program he initially stated would bankrupt NY state. Prior to obamacare In NY dependents were covered until 25 and until age 29 via a rider. Pre existing conditions were covered if you had existing covrerage. Please tell me how this plan will help us as New yorkers. Per the march CBO report obamacare will increase the medical insurance cost by 2100 per year per family. Many of obama's lies are starting to come to fruition and it will only get worse
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 2, 12 6:39 AM
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Razza asks, "tell me how this plan will help us as New Yorkers." Thing is, it's not just about New Yorkers, razz, and it's not just about those of us who can afford health insurance. It's about everybody, including the 30 million presently uninsured. It's a kind of a moral thing, like what we learned as youngsters about love thy neighbor. As President Obama puts it, "it's the right thing to do."
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jul 2, 12 1:37 PM
TB - are your rates going to go up, or do you have a job that offers HC Insurance that you don't have to contribute to (and I don't mean 10%)
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 2, 12 2:10 PM
1. Did it ever occur to you that some people are uninsured because they chose to be?
2. People who are uninsured can not be denied coverage in this country (neither can illegals for that matter).
3. In the states (such as Texas) with the highest uninsured rates the % of people overwhelming do not want this plan.
4. Obamacare is nothing but a giant money grab by insurance companies and big pharma
5. Obama has lied about this plan right from the start. From the transparency ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 2, 12 2:48 PM
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your first 2 points are an illustration as to why we need everyone to be covered under health insurance in this country. I would prefer a single payer medicare for all system, but it was probably politically unobtainable.

People choose not to have insurance, then need emergency medical care or an operation and they can't be denied medical care. They rack up huge medical bills and go bankrupt. Those with insurance end up absorbing the cost of providing the care for the uninsured. This ...more
By C Law (354), Water Mill on Jul 2, 12 3:54 PM
At 21% Medicare, medicaid and CHIP combined amount to the largest annual expense of the budget (with SS and defense a close 2nd). Medicare is one of the largest Ponzi schemes perpetuated by the Federal GVT. It is massivly underfunded (by trillions) and has more coverage gaps than swiss cheese. So C law, highhat, TB and the leading authority on world economics Z are in favor of throwing everyone into single payermedicare system. Medicare is in need of massive reform not expansion.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 3, 12 8:15 AM
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Glaxo Smith Kline fined 3 BILLION dollars for health care fraud.

Simply stunning...
Jul 2, 12 6:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
"The bad news is that monetary penalties are not enough to stop rampant fraud... If we want to stop fraud, we need to recover America's stolen billions and we need to make sure that key players lose their jobs, their bank accounts, and their freedom," said Patrick Burns of Taxpayers Against Fraud. "Once the pain is personal and well-timed, the change in conduct in fraudster-companies will be very rapid."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 2, 12 6:35 PM

Simply stunning ......... [expletives, and references to the next American Revolution, deleted]
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Jul 2, 12 7:20 PM
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Any company that has over 50 employees will now be thinking of moving over seas. We are slowly following Europe with it's entitlements and inability to compete in business and manufacturing. With this new health care bill who will want to become a doctor? I am responsible and pay for my own insurance I don't need big goverment to dictate how I buy insurance.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Jul 2, 12 8:20 PM
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Yeah, if it failed everywhere else then chances are it fails here too. We are going to find out. If it does begin to fail the govt will wrap it's loving arms around it and "fix" it again by making it single payer.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 9:32 AM
A friend, who is much more creative than I am, has come up with a name for the Republican alternative to what they scornfully call "Obamacare." It is "WeDon'tCare." Not bad.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Jul 3, 12 11:22 AM
TB - do you pay for or significantly contribute to your healthcare coverage? Will your rates go up once Obamacare is implemented?

Reason I as ask is it really seems to me that those that are the most in favor of Obamacare are the least affected by it. One of my best friends is a really liberal school teacher. He's going GaGa for Obamacare. He even told me how great it will be for women to "get free contraception." Free??? Nothing is free. He can afford to be excited about Obamacare. A ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 1:43 PM
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and another zinger.

Tell me what standard do you apply to things, Phil? My guess is the standard that fits your blind allegiance to your party. Every Shepherd needs his sheep.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 7:34 PM
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Knock it off, Phil. I don't want anyone to suffer. I wish you peace, health and prosperity. I also wish you'd change your politics, but then I'd have no one to fight with. Have a nice 4th of July. We can get back to insulting each other on Thursday.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 10:33 PM
Phil, I'll explain this as simply as I can. I don't want anyone to suffer. I want healthcare reform that lowers insurance rates and assists with job growth. The two are tied together. I don't agree with a personal mandate. I don't agree with some of the fat and nonsense. If you see this as a right wing radical point of view then that's your problem. I've never took a political side on this. Your knee-jerk reaction is, and always is, if you are against Obamacare then you must be an evil republican. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 4, 12 8:34 AM
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"took" = taken.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 4, 12 8:36 AM
Fantasyland solution is to do away with Union, GVT and employer sponsored health care plans all together. Force each person to take personnal accountability and pay via a flat tax for their own health insurance (low income people would receive subsidies). Insurance coverage standards would be required by the GVT and insurance companies can vie for the business. Allow the products to be sold accross state lines, enact medical malpractice reform, streamline claims process and help the public and ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 3, 12 1:13 PM
Care to defend the 3.8% tax on HOME SALES Phil??!! How in the world is that related to health care?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 6, 12 7:06 AM
this bill will add billions if not trillions to the debt. someone will evenutually have to pay for it. The smoke and mirror show can only go on for so long
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 7, 12 11:13 PM
You mean like this?

"CEO gets cool $44M severance package for one day of work"

How much severance would you expect after one day on the job? Not a lot, right? Well, the now ex-CEO of Duke Energy Corp., Bill Johnson, is getting up to a cool $44.4 million for his one day at the helm. Johnson had previously been CEO of another energy company that merged with Duke and signed a contract to be Duke's chief officer when the merger took effect. That was July 2. Suddenly, on July 3, he ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 7, 12 11:34 PM
No misconception, there IS a tax on the sale of a home, if the owner meets the criteria. How the hell does this equate to healthcare??!!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 7, 12 11:34 AM
It works like the 2% transfer tax for the CPF.

Hey, look at my thumb...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 8, 12 5:47 AM
It's called a "segue".

It's relative because of who the tax applies to.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 12, 12 6:19 PM
"Sharing the world has never been humanity's defining attribute. "

~ Patrick Stewart, as Professor Charles Xavier
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 7, 12 11:51 PM
83 Percent of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 10, 12 10:16 AM
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I feel like a broken record but some truths bear repeating. Only in America could a Democratic president pass Mitt Romney’s health plan and fund it partly through John McCain’s best idea from the last campaign (taxing some employer provided plans) and be branded a “socialist.”

~ Matt Miller, The Washington Post
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 10:27 PM
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Kind of like when Obama tells people that the mandate is not a tax then argues to the supreme court that it is a tax then after the ruling says its not a tax. really?? Open door negotions on health care reform, says immigration reform is a top priority yet does nothing, more people on food stamps then ever before, more people collecting GVT disability than ever before, a stagnant job market, and the big threat of " the fiscal cliff" looming. Only the ignorant, unemployed and uneducated would give ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 12, 12 6:04 AM
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This country is already bankrupt.

The market just hasn't noticed yet...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 12, 12 6:21 PM
Z said the country is bankrupt and the market hasnt noticed. Well neither has Obama. With the country ready to drop off the fiscal cliff and against the CBO recomendation Obama aims to increase taxes and has done nothing to reign in spending. In fact he has done just the opposite. As of July 1 the GVT has recorded almost a 1 trillion dollar defecit. He has done zero to address the three major GVT expenditures. His only accomplishment (if you want to call it that) Obummercareis a ticking time bomb
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 12, 12 8:29 PM
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Call me a raciest now Little Phil !
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 13, 12 6:25 AM
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Well, she's no Victoria Woodhull.

This should be interesting...
Jul 13, 12 6:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, thanks for the pen. I think...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jul 13, 12 6:30 PM
No, she doesn't have a disabled child you and your liberal cohorts can use as a punchline, Mr. Motyka.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 14, 12 10:23 PM
Phil: Do you really believe the drivel you spout here, or are you just making rediculous statements to get a reaction?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Jul 13, 12 6:32 AM
The pro choice thing is upsetting and god the time for Affirmative action is long gone. She has recently said it is a contributing factor in keeping people of color dependent on government and it divides the country even more....and she is correct there are no more African Americans its time we are all just American. We should be judged by our actions not the color of our skin . Right? Personal responsibility is the key.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 13, 12 10:21 PM
your azz
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jul 14, 12 9:41 PM