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Apr 10, 2012 3:37 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Bishop, Altschuler and Demos Sound Off On House GOP Budget

Apr 10, 2012 3:45 PM

Two Republicans vying for the opportunity to challenge U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, a Democrat, in November said they support House Budget Committee Chairman Paul D. Ryan’s 2013 federal budget proposal.

The budget, dubbed “The Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal,” was approved along party lines in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives on March 29. It has earned the support of both Randy Altschuler of St. James and George Demos of Ronkonkoma, who said a plan like it is necessary to avert a financial meltdown similar to one that Greece is currently facing. The two Republicans will compete in a primary election on June 26.

It’s not likely that the budget will pass the Democrat-controlled Senate, said Mr. Bishop, who voted against it in the House.

The Republican plan aims to address a federal deficit of $1.3 trillion last year by slashing spending through restructuring programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Democrats have criticized the budget proposal as one that hurts the poor while delivering tax breaks to the rich. They also claim it would cause seniors currently enrolled in Medicare to stomach huge increases in health care costs.

Mr. Altschuler said the budget plan represents a “fiscally responsive, pro-growth approach” for the country’s financial future. He also assailed Mr. Bishop, claiming the longtime incumbent congressman is quick to criticize but hasn’t produced his own budget solutions to address the federal deficit and national debt.

“I praise Congressman Ryan for having the courage to put forth a serious budget plan that addresses the major economic and fiscal challenges that are facing the country today,” Mr. Altschuler said on Monday.

Meanwhile, Mr. Bishop said the plan would be detrimental to the country, and particularly to the 1st Congressional District, which he represents. The plan “ends the Medicare guarantee,” said Mr. Bishop, providing seniors with a voucher to purchase a Medicare policy or buy their own private insurance policy. Roughly 75 percent of a senior’s medical expenses are currently covered by Medicare, and Mr. Ryan’s budget would make it so that the federal government covers only 35 percent of expenses, Mr. Bishop claimed.

“This would then basically put the senior at the mercy of the private insurance market, which is not terribly hospitable to seniors, which is why Medicare was started in the first place,” he said.

Mr. Demos and Mr. Altschuler both attacked Mr. Bishop’s stance. Mr. Demos said Mr. Bishop and President Barack Obama are simply trying to distract the public from the country’s current dire financial straits, with unemployment and foreclosure rates he claims were caused by policies enacted by the Obama administration.

“The typical Democrat playbook is to scare senior citizens into thinking that the Republicans are going to take away their hard-earned benefits,” Mr. Demos said. “That’s simply preposterous. Every election year, liberal Democrats try the same trick, and people on Long Island are not going to buy it this time.”

Mr. Ryan’s budget would slash funding for Medicaid over the next decade and decrease veterans benefits, Mr. Bishop said. He also claimed the budget would also negatively impact Stony Brook University and Brookhaven National Lab— Suffolk County’s largest employers—through cuts in funding to the federal Department of Energy’s Office of Science and Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, and through cutbacks in Pell grant awards given to low-income students to help finance college.

“The best way for me to summarize it is, I don’t share those values,” Mr. Bishop said. “Frankly, I don’t believe the people I represent share those values.”

Mr. Altschuler said he’d fight to prevent funding cuts at the lab and the university. He also pointed out that the budget plan relies on the repealing of the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s massive health care reform legislation many Republicans call “Obamacare,” which was approved by Congress in 2010. Mr. Altschuler said he supports that particular facet of the legislation, claiming the Affordable Care Act takes $500 billion in funding from Medicare.

The website PolitiFact.com rates the claim that $500 billion would be cut from Medicare, which was originally made by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, as “half true.” It notes that the Obamacare legislation uses a number of measures to try to reduce rapid growth of future Medicare spending, and the savings are applied to the costs of implementing the legislation.

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So once again Tim Bishop votes against a plan to avert financial disaster in favor of business as usual, more spending and at best, increasing taxes that have been proven to only sctach the surface of the rampant spending. Good to know.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 12, 12 3:06 PM
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Hey, Nerdly, teh bill will not "avert" financial disaster, it will cause it
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 12, 12 3:23 PM
Congressman Bishop says, flat out, that government coverage of a senior's medical expenses will be reduced from 75% to 35% under the Ryan budget. Maybe Mr. Altschuler or Mr. Demos, instead of making airy general statements praising the Ryan plan and knocking the administration, could specifically contradict this charge by Mr. Bishop and say exactly what precentage of seniors' coverage will be cut by their budget.

If they don't, and it's really a drop from 75% to 35%, that's a disaster, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 12, 12 3:24 PM
Obama care which Bishop voted for has taken money from Medicare and seniors.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Apr 12, 12 7:32 PM
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LOL yeah and the best thing about all of these benefits is they are paid for with monopoly money.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 12, 12 8:21 PM
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Everything under, and after Greenspan has been paid for with "Monopoly money".

Including all the development out here in the last fifteen years.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 12, 12 8:46 PM
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Drink some more kool-aide philathome.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Apr 14, 12 12:59 PM
Not only does job shipping Randy want to ship American jobs to India, but he and his Tea Party fanatics are obsessed with limiting birth control for middle class women and health care benefits for the elderly.

At the same time, Randy and the radical right want to destroy our beaches by drilling for oil from Main to Florida while providing tax breaks for his good friends and financiers at Exxon Mobile.

Preserve our freedom, our benefits, and our environment - Vote Bishop
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Apr 12, 12 3:48 PM
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Yes indeed, more scare tactics from the left and more of the same misrepresentations. No such cuts exist for the weather service, it’s another Obama campaign scare tactic talking point and specifically not contained in the Ryan budget. Ryan’s budget is a blueprint that sets overall funding levels for the various areas of government.

The Democrat plan leaves medicare and medicade untouched, because we all know, it is efficient and financially sound and will be there for generations ...more
Apr 12, 12 7:51 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
You have to wonder why someone would post such complete BS and use the term “job shipping” and complete untruths like limiting birth control for middle class women and health care benefits for the elderly (BTW I like the reference to the middle class, a double whammy) and the radical right wanting to destroy our beaches by drilling for oil from Main to Florida while providing tax breaks for good friends (BTW, the left has done the same thing and the Democrat Senate REJECTED a plan to do so in March). Steven, you look foolish spewing that crap. Tim Bishop has off shored MANY more jobs than Randy.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 12, 12 7:51 PM
so far the only plan ive seen by the president is him blabbing his mouth about taxing the rich. Taxing them to the kazoo won't come close to paying down the debt or making medicare and social security solvent. Both parties need to stop the rhetoric and find a way to meet in the middle. We all know that will never happen though.

By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 12, 12 8:31 PM
What do you think paid for Bush 2.0's tax cuts for the "wealthy" in the middle of a war?

That's right, the Social Security coffers. The "revenue enhancement" trust is nothing but T-Bills. In essence, I.O.U.'s. I'm sure they can run off a few more trillion to debase the nation's currency further, and funnel most of it into the pockets of the top 10%. They've had plenty of practice already.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 12, 12 8:50 PM
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Hey Phyllis: It's the LEFT that has piled on the debt by giving away the farm to buy votes. If anything, the "middle" has moved to the right and will continue to do so, it's the only way to get ourselves out of the fiscal mess we're in. In your life, if the credit cards were maxed out and the interest was choking you, would you go out and get another 3 or 4 cards and max those out too? Or would you STOP SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH AND PAY DOWN THE DEBT?! That's what we're facing . This nation needs to ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 13, 12 7:25 AM
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And it's the "right" that has piled on debt, rusted the country's infrastructure, and placed 62% of the nation's wealth, into 5% of it's hands.

It was also the "right", whom committed the most deficit spending, by raiding a "trust", and replacing it with T-Bills.

They are all crooked, and money rules the day. Not merit, but MONEY rules the day.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and what is money but power corporeal incarnate?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 13, 12 11:28 PM
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Don't be fooled by political hyperbole. In the last 4 years the "left" has piled on the debt and increased our total spending by over 4 trillion. In the last 4 years we have seen the greatest divide between rich and poor. The two party system in this country is awful. They are both self serving and unbending but to place blame on the right ignores the facts
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 14, 12 7:39 AM
1,6,7,8. All lies. 1. Im sure you pulled that nonsense from some progressive newspaper or website but the facts are the facts. The US treasury Department posts a national debt of 10.626 the day Obama took office and 4-2011 it was 14.269. He has had 4 years and has not fixed the problem only made it worse.
6. We have not yet seen the true costs of the unconstitutional law. Many are already predicting this giant money grab by insurance companies WILL cost 1 trillion
7. Yes Socail Security ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 13, 12 8:45 AM
Great retort, Phil. You're not even trying anymore :(

I guess it's difficult to respond when you're called on BS, so just go ahead and turn it into a joke.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 13, 12 5:28 PM
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AlwaysLocal is ready to vote for a job shipping carpet bagger. This totally destroys his credibility.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 14, 12 1:44 PM
The radical right criticized and attempted to demoralize FDR. They vomited their vapid slurs across the newspapers they owned, " Socialist, traitor etc."
Wisely, patriotic Americans saw through them and Roosevelt, like Obama, saved us from economic calamity. Roosevelt's accusers were funded by gigantic corporations who despised worker rights, women's rights, equal rights, and a clean and safe environment.

FDR, was attacked by the du Pont brothers and the "'American Liberty League." ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Apr 13, 12 9:40 AM
I love the so called progressives that have to roll back the hands of time to make a point. Their rage, anger and hostility seems to be timeless. Yes, FDR and the DuPont's did have a little go round. It involved FDR going after the legitimate and lawful holdings of several companies for what FDR described as legalized avoidance or evasion. The left couldn't distinguish between tax avoidance and tax evasion and they failed to produce any significant changes with the end result being if political ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 13, 12 12:46 PM
It's because we don't have to look far to see the Agitator in Chief for what he is. Obama has condoned the degradation of women and misogynist behavior and a host of othe divisive insults like telling people to get out there and punish your enemies - enemies being other Americans. And lest not foregt the host of racially driven undertoned comments like Republicans riding in the back of the bus. Threatening and intimidating the Supreme Court, silence over the New Black Panther threats, and the ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 14, 12 1:25 AM
Add # 4 to the crock there Phyllis.
Obama is the worst presiden we have ever been saddled with when it comes to the economy. If you own a business or work in the private sector it would be obvious to you. If you're on the dole or on the government teat, then He, Barak the Magnificent, peace be upon Him, is your knight in shining armor.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 13, 12 5:09 PM
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The USA has been using propaganda for the past 3 generations. It works best on the feeble minded and those with a low IQ as demonstrated here.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 14, 12 1:39 PM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 14, 12 5:54 PM
Hey Phil here's a way to cut gas prices and lower oil imports. Immediately convert all fleet vehicles to natural gas. Then get rid of the gas speculators. Over time install natural gas outlets all over the Country.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 15, 12 8:25 AM
Not carbon neutral, but with the surplus of natural gas that is currently touted, it would be a fiscally feasible alternative.

As for the continued burning of fossil fuels, I'd have to say environmentally it's not a long term solution.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 15, 12 10:52 AM
I'm against fracking as well. Natural gas is also a product of oil drilling. We have so much of it they are running out of room to store it. It also doesn't transport well and we have a terrific system to move it here. Makes good sense to convert any applications to natural gas. In time it will be available at all gas stations.Cut our dependence on imported oil.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 16, 12 10:03 AM
Philathome are you on the staff of Bishop for Congress? ObamaCare hopefully will be ruled unconstitutional............but then again Obama knows best for all of us. Did you think that perhaps you are the one who needs anti-psychotics? Personally attacking those who disagree with your point of view shows you have tunnel vision and cannot enter into any meaningful dialogue.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Apr 15, 12 8:56 AM
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How is the Republican Party waging a war on women? Seems like the Demokrats are the ones waging war on women. How many FEMALE BABIES HAVE BEEN ABORTED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS??!! That's a war for you! Brought to you by the friends of Obama and our infanticide aproving Prez. Barak Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 15, 12 9:10 AM
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Abortions are private and decided by the woman.It's her body.Right wing republicans should stay where they belong.In a toilet stall practicing their "wide stance"
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 15, 12 12:45 PM
Meanwhile, NOBODY has contradicted Bishop's statement reported in this article, namely that the 75% of a senior's medical expenses now covered by Medicare will be reduced to 35% under the Ryan budget. Earlier in this thread (4/12 at 3:24 PM), I challenged Altschuler and Demos to do it. I don't expect them to come on 27east and do so, but they haven't spoken up in any other forum either.

All of you who are beating up on Bishop should know that you don't have a prayer, politically, unless ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 15, 12 11:59 AM
I give Ryan a lot of credit. Like it or not He is the only one to show courage and come forward with an actual plan. it's easy to attack something when you have nothing to compare it to. I for one think their are many good and bad parts in the Ryan plan. To be taken seriously it needs to have cuts in defense. We yearn for true leaders in this country who can put aside partisan politics and work for our best intetest. I don't know if randy or demos are what we are looking for but I know Bishops track ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 15, 12 3:53 PM
Turkey I have a question. Why would bishop have voted for the senate version of Obama care weeks after declaring in an open letter that he would never vote for the bill declaring catastrophic for new Yorkers and not in the best interest of his constituents. Only a man with no spine would do such a thing. The do called local leader selling out
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 15, 12 3:56 PM
Instead of asking another question, how about answering my question, since I asked first?
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Apr 15, 12 4:01 PM
to razza5350"

Judging by your description alone, this incident occurred during the period in which the House bill was being reconciled with the Senate bill. Legislators frequently make statements during this period to emphasize their determination to have the reconciled bill reflect their interests.

If, indeed, the letter declared that the bill would be "catastrophic" for New Yorkers (a reference would be appreciated), Bishop may have been referring to a version of the bill containing ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 15, 12 8:07 PM
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to razza5350"

Judging by your description alone, this incident occurred during the period in which the House bill was being reconciled with the Senate bill. Legislators frequently make statements during this period to emphasize their determination to have the reconciled bill reflect their interests.

If, indeed, the letter declared that the bill would be "catastrophic" for New Yorkers (a reference would be appreciated), Bishop may have been referring to a version of the bill containing ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 15, 12 8:07 PM
HHS the version of the bill did pass. Due to Scott browns victory in Massachusetts Obama took extra ordinary measures and moved that the senate go to the house for vote without being reconciled. This was done because a reconciled bill could never have passed the senate. bishop was now boxed in a corner. He needed to vote on a bill he openly opposed. He had to chose between his constituents or his party. I think we all know the path the self serving career politician chose. Actions speak louder than ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 16, 12 7:07 AM
Meant to say the senate version passed as is without going through the reconciliation process. This was done as a result of Scott browns (r) special election victory for a senate seat in Massachusetts. Hope that clears it up.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 16, 12 4:44 PM
to razza5350:

Thanks. Interesting, if your recollection is correct. I would still like to read Bishop's letter using the word "catastrophe" (which I cannot find.) Not that it is impossible. Politicians do tend to go over the top when excited. Reference Richard Nixon's assertion that the successful moon mission was "the greatest event since creation."

It is hard to see WHY he would use that word with regard to the Senate as opposed to the House version of the bill since the ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Apr 16, 12 8:30 PM
I can't find a link to send you that references the letter. The reason I know it exists is because I have it. If you recall the bill was (and still is) highly unpopular and I'm pretty sure he sent the letter to all of his constituents.
I admit I do not know which bill would have been more cost effective. Often these things are nothing more than a shell game allocating costs in different areas and as you mentioned the final bill rarely looks like the one passed. Cost cutting measures and benefits ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 17, 12 6:45 AM
Some food for thought, "The 50 Richest Members of Congress" (2011):

1.Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $294.21 Million
2.Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) $220.40 Million
3.Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $193.07 Million
4.Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $81.63 Million
5.Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) $76.30 Million
6.Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $65.91 Million
7.Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) $55.07 Million
8.Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) $52.93 Million
9.Sen. Dianne Feinstein ...more
Apr 15, 12 4:12 PM appended by Mr. Z
Also, FYI: "Studies by Alan Ziobrowski at Georgia State University conclude that our reps regularly outperform the markets by large amounts due to the “significant information advantage” they derive from their jobs."
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 15, 12 4:12 PM
I love all of these zombie ditto heads whose idea of bravery is stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Outside of these boards You will not find a bigger collection of brainless right-wing cowards this far north of Mississippi
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Apr 15, 12 6:33 PM
Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. That coin is owned by the bankers and the large corporations. Those are the fat cats that the 99% is against.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 16, 12 10:13 AM
Any of the left wing , Demokratz care to explain why your majority Senate hasn't done their job and submitted a budjet?! Instead of throwing stones at the one proposed from the other side of the aisle, get your own act together and do your job!
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Apr 17, 12 6:20 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 17, 12 9:06 PM
Valid information, regardless of source.

Remember phil, "judge slowly".
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 17, 12 10:00 PM
Funny, I removed the https prefix from the address.

Wouldn't that remove it's HTML format?

I'll reiterate by saying spend the five bucks, and get yourself a pocket copy of the U.S. Constitution.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 17, 12 10:41 PM
FYI:

The Pothole in Our National Political Psyche

Posted By Sam Pizzigati On April 16, 2012 @ 6:01 am

Even rich people sooner or later have to drive over bridges. So why aren’t the wealthy screaming about America’s inadequate — and increasingly unsafe — basic infrastructure?

Investing in infrastructure used to be a political no-brainer. Politicians of nearly every ideological stripe regularly supported government spending on infrastructure ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 18, 12 8:01 PM
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LOL somehow I can picture you and your girlfriend phyliss sitting at home watching Keith olbermann together talking about those evil righties
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 18, 12 10:33 PM
Somehow, I can picture that you are clueless when it comes to economics, history, and legislation.

I can even picture you, and your boyfriend bigfresh penning a letter to the Senate, lambasting them for not producing a dissenting budget.
Apr 19, 12 4:51 AM appended by Mr. Z
LOL...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 19, 12 4:51 AM
That was very amusing
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 19, 12 6:44 AM
Then, you'll probably find this HILARIOUS:

Fix income inequality with $10 million loans for everyone!


By Sheila Bair, Published: April 13




Are you concerned about growing income inequality in America? Are you resentful of all that wealth concentrated in the 1 percent? I’ve got the perfect solution, a modest proposal that involves just a small adjustment in the Federal Reserve’s easy monetary policy. Best of all, it will mean that none of ...more
Apr 19, 12 10:57 PM appended by Mr. Z
Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crises by James Rickards
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 19, 12 10:57 PM
You were correct. That is HILARIOUS.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 20, 12 7:20 AM
Yep, only 1.2 sextillion dollars!!

I wonder who would be [expletive deleted] then?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Apr 20, 12 7:16 PM