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May 26, 2011 11:50 AMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Altschuler Declares "Rematch" With Bishop

May 31, 2011 5:24 PM

Randy Altschuler will challenge U.S. Representative Tim Bishop again in 2012, after losing to the incumbent by a fraction of 1 percent of the vote six months ago in one of the closest congressional races in the country.

Mr. Altschuler, a businessman from St. James, announced his intentions in a press release on May 25 after he withdrew from the pool of potential Republican candidates for Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy’s seat.

“After serious consideration, I have consulted with party leaders and decided not to run for Suffolk County executive,” Mr. Altschuler said in the release. “The truth is that after falling just short last year, my intent had always been to seek a rematch with Congressman Bishop in 2012 and in the coming days I will file papers making that run official.”

Republicans nominated County Treasurer Angie Carpenter for county executive last week. She will face Babylon Town Supervisor Steve Bellone, a Democrat.

Mr. Bishop, a five-term Democrat from Southampton, defeated Mr. Altschuler with 50.15 percent of the vote after a wrenching hand count that dragged on for more than a month after Election Day 2010. And now, 17 months before Election Day 2012, it appears a fierce rematch is in the making.

In Mr. Altschuler’s release Wednesday, he indicated that he would once again build his campaign around themes of job creation and the economy.

“I am eager to contrast my record as a successful entrepreneur and small businessman who knows how to create 
jobs versus Congressman Bishop’s record as a tax, spend and borrow politician who has run our economy into the ground,” he said.

Mr. Bishop will run for a sixth term in 2012, according to his deputy chief of staff, Jon Schneider, who also focussed on employment. The congressman, he said, “is going to do what keeps getting him reelected, which is doing his job as hard as he can, fighting for Long Island jobs and fighting against outsourcing of American jobs.”

Republican and Conservative party leaders have already expressed their support for a second bid by Mr. Altschuler, who, as a newcomer to Long Island politics last year, fought his way out of tough three-way primaries to win their nominations.

“While initially skeptical of his ability to succeed, I have come to appreciate Randy’s enthusiasm, intellect and dedication to this party’s principles and ideals,” County Republican Party Chairman John Jay LaValle said in Mr. Altschuler’s release.

County Conservative Party Chairman Ed Walsh said in the release that his party “stands 100 percent behind” Mr. Altschuler, calling Mr. Bishop a “big-spending liberal who has consistently failed to create jobs and has done nothing to get our economy moving in the right direction again.”

Despite those pronouncements, Mr. Altschuler’s candidacy is not a given. George Demos, a Ronkonkoma attorney who waged primaries against Mr. Altschuler last year, will try again in 2012, he said Friday. Mr. Demos came in second among three Republican candidates last year, receiving 30 percent of the vote to Mr. Altschuler’s 45 percent.

In a preview of what could emerge as a talking point in Mr. Bishop’s campaign, Mr. Schneider questioned how Mr. Altschuler would have voted for a Republican budget plan that would have reshaped Medicare. Democrats across the country are gearing up to use the plan as a cudgel against Republicans in 2012, after evoking it to clinch an upset victory in a Republican upstate district on May 24.

Mr. Schneider also raised the specter of Republican-backed cuts to the Department of Energy’s Office of Science that would have slashed 930 jobs from Brookhaven National Laboratory. The cuts, which Mr. Bishop lobbied strongly against, were averted in a budget compromise.

When asked about Mr. Altschuler’s positions on those pieces of legislation, his spokesman, Chris Russell, said Mr. Altschuler was looking forward to a “robust debate” about the issues in the months ahead.

Both Mr. Bishop’s and Mr. Altschuler’s campaigns dumped millions of dollars into last year’s race—the 1st Congressional District’s most heated contest in recent memory—with Mr. Altschuler drawing heavily on his personal fortune. Mr. Bishop’s campaign homed in on Mr. Altschuler’s business career, accusing him of outsourcing American jobs, while Mr. Altschuler denied the charge and attacked Democrats’ stewardship of the economy.

In the end, as Mr. Schneider was happy to point out, Mr. Altschuler failed to ride a Republican wave that swept the party into the majority in the House of Representatives.

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Bring it on.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on May 26, 11 12:30 PM
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where was the successful business located? what was the product? Exactly who benifited from said business? My family wants to know before they vote.
Please don't be mislead by my address .. there are 10 voters living in Southampton. they are kind of busy (thankgoodness) so I tell them the news from the Press.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 26, 11 1:01 PM
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The business was in Jersey, it produced NOTHING. It existed to make it easier for other companies to ship jobs overseas. Mr. Altschuler's business was literally an outsourcing company. He went to large and small corporations and basically said, "you know, I can find a laborer in India or Pakistan that will work for $2/hour, just sign here and we'll help you get rid of that pesky American worker."
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on May 26, 11 2:11 PM
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Altschuler involved in outsourcing: Razza says "Evil!'

Obama appoints GE's CEO, the man responsible for outsourcing American jobs by several orders of magnitude over Altschuler as the country's "Jobs Czar": Razza says...nothing.

Illegal immigrants decimate the middle class building trades on the east end: Razza cheers.

Razza doesn't care about America, jobs, or principles. It's just about scoring points for his "side".
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 26, 11 6:27 PM
facts are facts. Randy did it and so did Obama.
By littleplains (305), olde england on May 27, 11 7:16 AM
yeah that's why I would never vote for GE's CEO if he tried to buy the seat like some millionaire of much lesser order. What a farce that you complain about GE CEO as an excuse for Altschuler's lack of scruples and anti-American predatory practices, no matter the cost to our nation, to LI, to my neighbors. I would NEVER, NEVER vote for a candidate who boasts about making money off his countrymen's misery. Shame on anyone trying to defend Altschuler, who knows he can buy off his nomination. I hope ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Jun 10, 11 1:22 PM
Bishop beat Altschuler in a year when dems were dropping like flies all over the country. Just think how badly he'll beat him now that the tides have turned. Hey, Mr. Outsourcer, stay in Jersey with Christie!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on May 26, 11 2:07 PM
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speaking of the tide turning... I haven't seen this on the national news but another big upset for the GOP happened in Jacksonville Fl. this month. For the very first time that city voted in a Black man for Mayor and he is a Democrat to boot. It has been about 50 years since a Dem. has been a victor in Jacksonville politics.
Ofcourse, I know y'all are aware of the big upset in Buffalo.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 26, 11 3:45 PM
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... give me a break - please, anybody but this guy. Doesn't he have anything better to do for the next two years? Are the Repubs starting this campaign already? Pick a job, any job, Randy. County Exec, Congress, its all the same thing, right? Like the proverbial lady in the shoe store, sooner or later something's gotta' fit.

By William Rodney (561), southampton on May 26, 11 4:22 PM
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Randy go home, please, wherever that was a few years ago.

Outsource yourself?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 26, 11 4:45 PM
Maybe Senator Clinton should tell that carpetbagger where to go!
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 26, 11 7:24 PM
Agree, and we know how much you love Hillary whom you critize as a carpetbagger, but hate Altschuler for being one. Ironic. Hillary & Bill lived in NY off & on for decades and moved here right after his term, 2 years before her election. Does anything matter to Repubs other than anti-Latino hatred?
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Jun 10, 11 1:36 PM
Randy, Leave us alone we don't need anymore drama from misguided millionaires.
By lo-cal (78), southampton on May 26, 11 7:17 PM
Randy: You moved here without knowing a single thing about Suffolk County and probably thought the "East End" was a section of London. Then you lost the election. Where have you been since then and why should we take you seriously now? P.S. Best to your employees in India.
By olddiesel (8), southampton on May 26, 11 9:04 PM
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According to Google as of 5/26/11 @ 9:49: NO
By olddiesel (8), southampton on May 26, 11 9:50 PM
"In Mr. Altschuler’s release Wednesday, he indicated that he would once again build his campaign around themes of job creation and the economy".

Where and whose?
By olddiesel (8), southampton on May 26, 11 10:36 PM
I thought this clown had moved on to greener pastures,please do us a favor and just go away, you have no chance of winning On the East End
By DJ9222 (85), southampton on May 26, 11 11:24 PM
Welcome back, Randy! Good luck on your second try. Don't be such a piker this time. Put your entire personal fortune into the campaign instead of a lousy couple of million.

I look forward to seeing you and your wallet in the Hamptons!
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 26, 11 11:49 PM
This was the closest race in the US and took forever to decide. Tim was very successful in positioning Randy as the interloping outsourcer. It will be curious to see if that works again or if the luster of that strategy has faded. It will also be curious to see if the anti incumbent tide that Randy road still exists. New Yorkers seem extremely happy with the current governor which further increases a comfort level with the status-quo. In practice it doesn't seem to matter what letter is after ...more
May 27, 11 6:54 AM appended by kaluss
ooops - that would be "rode".
By kaluss (113), Southampton on May 27, 11 6:54 AM
Want to get somebody lost. Just tell them to turn left at the next big Altschuler campaign sign.
By Sandflea (35), Southampton on May 28, 11 6:45 AM
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Run Andy Run, you have my vote. Randy has actually worked in the real world and built a very successful company. Compare that to Tim Bishop. Has he ever held a job in the real world? Provost of Southampton College, not a real world job, professional politician,not a real world job.What did he do for a living before that?
As to Randy's outsourcing jobs: Good for him, the tax burden on corporations, backed by the Demokratz and their loyal foot soldier Bishop, are among the highest in the industrialized ...more
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 28, 11 7:15 AM
Did you have a stoke halfway through typing this or are you incapable of spelling correctly? It's democrats and Altschuler. Let me guess - you're a Palin fan too...
By tlguage (2), Westhampton Beach on May 30, 11 10:53 AM
Perhaps this time Randy of Mumbai will actually discuss issues rather than spouting the Fox "news" talking points.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on May 28, 11 7:49 AM
Did he find out what the Hyde Amendment is yet?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 28, 11 5:06 PM
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Bring it on. Did I say that already? Sorry.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on May 29, 11 3:54 PM
When job shipping Randi returns from visiting his labor force in India he will realize that he and the Tea Party are finished.

This community trusts and appreciates Tim Bishop and doesn't respect carpetbaggers like Rand who want to eliminate Medicare so oil companies and the super rich can get larger tax breaks.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on May 29, 11 8:24 PM
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Medicare in it's current form is unsustainable and everyone with half a brain knows it.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on May 30, 11 6:59 AM
Does that include those "old, white people" you can't wait to see "die out"?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 30, 11 11:46 AM
touching on these comments I'd like add some facts that you young folks haven't experienced yet. Medicare works! And most of you better hope it is there for you when you reach 65. A retired teacher from Commack whishes he had waited till he was 65 for his elective surgery. His insurance did not cover everything and by reason of his Ins. rules the only rehab he could use was less than stellar. Whereas my husband with the same surgery under Medicare and the supplemental he chose had a completely ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 30, 11 3:31 PM
"Of course, there needs to be corrections."

Like what, you contemptious, arrogant POS?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 30, 11 9:31 PM
After labeling tens of millions of people "idiots", I hope you don't cry about being called a name, but I'm sure you will.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 30, 11 9:32 PM
Guess what... I'm sitting here lol because I do not know what you mean by POS!!! But I'm amused by your posts anyway.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 8, 11 1:14 PM
without knowing the facts, that medicare, plus the medicare supplement, plus the medicare drug card is costing about 5,000/year not including r/x copyaments.

the teacher's retiree coverage is costing $0.00 with nyship. the copay on that elective surgery was most likely no more than $1,500.00. the choice of facilities was vast. your husband is only free to choose amongst those doctors that take medicare - not so sure the medicare facilities are better than those private facilities that ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on May 30, 11 6:10 PM
I imagine that when one moves out of NY state the rules change for the recipient of the NYSHIP. I do not know those facts. I only know what was told me by the neighbor who received his surgery here in Fla. Yes, we do pay approx. those $$ for our insurance as you described.
The folks who worked in a position where they knew the benefits are fortuante/smart which ever. And there are those who for whatever reason do rely on Medicare/Medicaid.
Now if those programs had never been instituted ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 31, 11 1:15 PM
NYSHIP is extremely generous.

You don't even need a referral to see a specialist.

kaluss: I hope you know that there won't be a reponse to your careful analysis. The liberals on here are hit and run with soundbites or meaningless anecdotes.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 30, 11 9:35 PM
Sooo....taking away medicare so that hedgefund managers can only pay 17% federal income taxes is our future?
I am so glad that Randy has decided to run again, perhaps now he will give us some of his positions on the issues that effect the 1st Congressional district in New York.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on May 30, 11 10:31 PM
Nobody said take it away. How about reforming it. Reality first is correct about costs. I think pushing eligibility back to age 67 is a good start (as well as social security) but we still need long term fixes. The current path is fiscally unsustainable
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on May 31, 11 4:11 AM
I meant kaluus not realty first was right on costs.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on May 31, 11 4:12 AM
medicare has to be reformed. and that is unfortunate,. but it is not realistic to think that as demographics, interest rates and inflation rates change, that a program meant to pay medical costs of seniors wouldn't need amending. with life span increasing so rapidly, the costs far outweigh the income of these program. when you add waste, fraud and honest mistakes - projections just simply do not support a self sustaining senior healthcare program such as the one we envision. but it is an outstanding ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on May 31, 11 6:55 AM
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Realityfirst... Do you really watch only Fox News and Fox Programs? Amazing that you are able to put out a coherent thought!
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 31, 11 1:03 PM
I supose if I really didn't care I might like Fox prorams also. I mean they sure are exciting... all that fast talk, loud voices, screaming what ever, insults to the interviewee, etc. The lies told by Rush Limbaugh and the fact that he got away with proven Rx addiction certainly turned me off. 20 or so years ago I used to like RL. As for those stats you like to post, as my Father used to tell me "Just because everyone else in your group is jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge are you going to jump off ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on May 31, 11 3:33 PM
there is a fairly blatant conflict of interest regarding that study, which is pretty good...have seen that before. have you seen who paid for this study? in a free society, people are free to pay for and put out any information they want. but the trouble is, people use that as though it is something worthy of repeating...its not exactly real. a quick review of who paid for that study reveals bankrolling by george soros and a group of folks that are very one sided. funny and official sounding, ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 1, 11 6:49 AM
It was funded by smart people, they just happen to be more prevalent on the left.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 1, 11 8:09 AM
I've read through all the posts. I only add this for your edification. There is a community of people here in Florida that I visit frequently. IF the residents want to do so, they read, listen to and watch media that is heavily slanted and in some cases interesting information is witheld. I am not making this up. Obviously, IF they choose to read other papers, watch other TV programs they are available to them. But, being retired and looking for relaxation many do not bother. So the information ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 1, 11 11:03 AM
Who cares, Dim Tim is just another career politician now, stuffing his face at the public troth, just like all the other ones, left and right. Go play with your kids or grandchildren, it is too early for any of you to start in on this, enjoy your life for a bit. Take a walk, turn off FOX, turn off MSNBC, go live for a bit; you can all pickup hating and bashing each other later.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Jun 1, 11 3:40 PM
Go Randy! If Ed Cox and the other "leaders" of your own party will get out of the way you'll beat Nancy Pelosi's lap dog this time!
By Babs (1), Quogue on Jun 2, 11 1:13 PM
I guess this is why Randy never removed his outdoor campaign signs.

By elliot (254), sag harbor on Jun 2, 11 2:45 PM
This time will be differant....People have had enough of this nanny state. Its getting out of control. Government and the unions have become way to big and they are not the answer.Personal responsibility and free enterprise are the only ways out of this mess.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 5, 11 8:17 AM
Yes we Cain ! 2012
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 5, 11 8:18 AM
Joe, sounds like Philathome is scared you are trying to get away with keeping your hard earned money and not redistributing it into his pocket anymore.
I also think Mr Cain is very articulate as well as you and Cap. Problem is almost half the country dose not pay any income tax so for them why not vote for the socialist once again. The alliterative is to hard they would have to work to much. once they have destroyed this country and made everyone equally miserable as is Greece then they will ...more
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Jun 5, 11 12:04 PM
Paying taxes is something EVERYONE does every time we go to the cash register. Or have some of you forgotten that FACT?
I am sorry for the poor fools who refuse to listen to facts: this country was taken to a WAR UNFUNDED, and then refuses to credit the President who ordered a boots on the ground op that was successful in carrying out the promise "Get 'EM dead or Alive".
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 5, 11 2:28 PM
I fail to see your logic, philathome. What did I print that infers I think equality is a bad thing? I am going to sleep. I'll check in tomorrow to see if there is an intelligent response. just for anyone's information, growing up in SH certainly taught me there is no equality.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 5, 11 8:24 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 5, 11 8:28 PM
Part of the leftist pathos is an obsessive need to attach labels that make them feel superior.

That's why accusations of racism, bigotry, "violence inducing language" and all the rest are tossed out on the flimsiest of pretenses.

Most liberals do this to some extent, but hardcore leftists like philathome do it as a matter course.

philathome considers conservatives of all stripes to be worse than, say, any of the 9/11 hijakers. After all, you'd never hear him make the sort ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 5, 11 9:32 PM
You back up your left wing talking points with references to other left wing blogs.

That does not qualify as "fact" based reasoning.

Try opening your mind, unless you fear your head will explode when your "beliefs" disintegrate in light of real facts and analysis.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 6, 11 5:13 PM
You're projecting.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 7, 11 8:08 PM
Luck? How ignorant you sound . Luck had nothing to do with it
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Jun 14, 11 10:15 AM
It has been said 'that one doesn't know anything until one has moved around in this world'. Let's get back to 1st District and Randy and Tim regarding who has the interests of Eastern LI in his mind and heart.
From reading the recent posts, and using my experience from various moves, I believe it is in the best interests to the residents, full time and seasonal to elect Tim Bishop. Randy Altshular has proven that his heart is in HIS own best interests. Now, I have no quibble with people ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 6, 11 2:49 PM
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Man this weiner thing is fun to watch. Looks like Bishops right hand man got caught using his left
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 6, 11 11:01 PM
Weiner has confirmed what I've always said about him. He is a meglomaniac who feeds off the media. He should do the right thing and step down. He has embarrassed himself, lied to everyone and most importantly made a mockery of the position he holds.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jun 7, 11 6:29 AM
The Federal Reserve continues to pump reserves into the commercial banking system - with your hard earned cash - and the majority of these reserves are getting into the hands of foreign-related financial institutions and then heading offshore. In fact, the current administration led Federal Reserve has pumped $1 Trillion dollars of our cash into foreign held banks - before QE2, these banks held about 30% of our reserve cash, but now they have over 55%. That money isn't helping a single person ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 7, 11 1:21 PM
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Perhaps Kaluss but most of the people on this blog don't seem to get it
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 7, 11 6:29 PM
NO MORE BAIL OUTS! for anyone
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 7, 11 7:24 PM
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Well, that would mean no more Socialism in the United States. That would also mean that people who are crying out AGAINST it presently would have to come to the stark realization that they DON'T know what it is, and that it has existed in this country for decades.

Providence forbid that "wealthy" people should have to FAIL, like most everyone else.
Jun 7, 11 7:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, if you haven't thumbed "All the Devils are Here", by Bethany McLean, it's a great summer read.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 11 7:46 PM
Oh, and don't forget "23 Things They DON'T Tell You About Capitalism", by Ha-Joon Chang. The guy teaches economics at Cambridge, and penned a scorcher!!!
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 7, 11 7:56 PM
Everyone should have the right to fail
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 8, 11 8:24 AM
Look Z .... You know where I stand on Charity, It should be on a locale level unless it is declared a disaster area and the Governor requests federal assistance , then I am for federal aid for a limited time. Otherwise I am a strong 10 amendment supporter that means the feds should stay out of state business. As far as bail outs for Wall street I hate those bail outs as much as I hate union bailouts.
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Jun 8, 11 12:06 PM
Listen, I am all for helping those who are "less fortunate", or just need a helping hand now and then. In this debacle of world that has been created, you don't have to look very far for such. But I think one of the most basic issues is that some people assume they are worth far too much to society. Just because you found a better way to manipulate the use of a tool, does not mean you automatically deserve 5,000 times the number of tools your fellow citizen receives per annum than you do.

The ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 11 2:43 PM
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I reject Ha-Joon Chang's foundational premise. As an institutional policial economist, he believe that economics cannot be separated from the political and social system within which it is embedded.

I firmly stand on the principle that for an economy to succeed, the government must fulfill its purpose of supporting that economy as a completely separate function. Teaching at Cambridge would only serve to show that this guy is far removed from the real world he spouts on about. As a consultant ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 8, 11 7:00 AM
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What is with all of the anti-intellectual banter? Because someone studied at Cambridge they are "far removed from the real world"? Ludicrous assertion.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 11 12:58 PM
FCMC...you think it is ludicrous because you live in a microcosm . Most people in this country do not live in your Robert Riech fanatical fantasy world
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Jun 8, 11 1:21 PM
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We do live in a test tube.

It's called Long Island.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 11 2:46 PM
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mr z, do you know what all the ''devils'' in the bethany mclean book have in common?

• Angelo Mozilo, the CEO of Countrywide, who dreamed of spreading homeownership to the masses, only to succumb to the peer pressure-and the outsized profits-of the sleaziest subprime lending.

• Roland Arnall, a respected philanthropist and diplomat, who made his fortune building Ameriquest, a subprime lending empire that relied on blatantly deceptive lending practices.

By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 8, 11 7:03 AM
Cliff's Notes, eh?

Paints them all as a real Old Scratch, don't they?

It was a pretty good collaboration, I thought.
Jun 8, 11 2:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
Almost forgot. All their activities were made possible by the removal of proper rules, regulations, checks, and balances?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Jun 8, 11 2:48 PM
Just to return to the story for a moment, Randy believes because he still has a pile of money left, and because he came close last time, that he has a shot this time around. What Randy's missing is that the campaign last time exposed him for what he is, and what he is won't fly with the voters.
By fidelis (199), westhampton beach on Jun 13, 11 9:26 AM